God to Wean Humans Off Religion

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   paradigmsearchposted 7 years ago

   http://www.theonion.com/article/god-ann … gion-51104
   
   You've been warned, so it is time to start being your own person.

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      AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      

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      Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hahahahahaha
      +100 stars!

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      Link10103posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      But the training wheels help me not to fall :'(

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         If the training wheels come off and we are riding a bike without a front tire, its not very helpful.
         So Maybe God could give us all really great bikes for our birthdays!

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Man needs a religion.
            
            Like a fish needs a bicycle

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               huh?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Need more religion, or need more kindness in the World?

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     ---> true religion promotes kindness, love and devotion to reality---> not exploitation, subjugation, tyranny and lies--->

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                        wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Will the true Christians please stand up?

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

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                           Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Last true Christian died on a Cross

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                              Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Are you suggesting that Jesus was a christian? Thought he was a jew. If he even existed.

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                                 Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 He was born a Jew and brought forth the science of unifying one's spirit with God's spirit through Christ Consciousness.

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                                    Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    If your born Jew, you are Jew.
                                    
                                    Was this Dad Jew?

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       A label is not important, is it?

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                                          Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          Ok then, let's start calling everyone by their labels. I'm sure they won't mind.

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                                             Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                             huh?

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                                       Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       Call everyone God, then no need for labels.
                                       Then Everyone is thenis,  truly equal.

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                                          Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          Call everyone children of God then there is no need for labels. Everyone is truly (on soul level) equal.

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Hard to say, there is so many wrong translations and so many demons nations. I only have  a mystic feeling Jesus was a half jew that existed, just don't think many these so called witnesses stories.

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                                    Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    There are many accounts of Jesus. and many more destroyed as reported in history. The Bible itself is the history of all things related to God. Is nothing in the Bible to be believed? Perhaps today we can start to interpret it accurately. If not, we are doomed, I would say.
                                    
                                    Kids today are not being raised with Christian values and they are becoming more and more of the mindset that they are "entitled." They are spoiled, over-indulged and reared for good grades and excelling in sports / getting into college only. Many give up because this type of life is not interesting to them. Apparently, life itself is not interesting to them. For instance, In a sixth period high school math class where I subbed on Friday, half the class put their heads down and literally went to sleep while the others took their test. They didn't even put their names on the math test I handed to them. I was very suprised
                                    

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                                       Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       I have read the christian bible and very little of it makes sense. Let me know when they publish one with just the "real" stuff, or the "true" stuff.

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                                          Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          I know. Sooner the better.
                                          
                                          But meanwhile the core values taught in the NT are beneficial to society. The Ten Commandments, the basic principles of loving your neighbor as yourself and loving the Spirit of Everything. Indians called this force the Great Spirit.
                                          It is a universal intuition that we have a Father, a Creator. All I know is I did not create myself and I don't even know how the food in my own stomach digests! If I cannot call myself a Christian, oh well. If I believe in Jesus and God or just one or the other, oh well. whatever. Each to their own. Rock on JW's! and Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims .. but Islamist extremists get it together!!!! Read your holy book a little more accurately.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              There have been some great true saints.

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                              Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Boy, did you ever say it!

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Any of them in the white house?

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                     Trichakraposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Need more kindness rather than more religion in the World.

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      Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Religion has been evolving and will continue to evolve. It was,is and will be the basis for any true civilisation.
      Please don't start with the same "right wing back woods fundamentalism" stereotypes: it's so dumb.
      Examine highly evolved philosophy like the Bahai or the Hindu or the Bhuddist etc. and you will see vibrancy and futuristic ideals.  Try to get away from the stick in the mud stereotypes.
      Look at the positive developments in ecumenical movements and cease cherry picking the bad.
      Evolution remember? The scientific atheist principle governing so called modern thought should teach us that winning prototypes go on to become the later success stories (be they organisms or ideas). Religion created true humane humans as well as all culture therefore it will grow in strength and change to suit the circumstances like it always has.

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      Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, that is exactly what has been happening over the past few decades - religions are diminishing while 'spirituality' is increasing. God never wanted nor developed ANY religion - they are all man-made constructs. In 30-50 years, 'religions' will be GONE. Nice poignant satire by the Onion - and funny, to boot, ha!
      

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         gmwilliamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         +1,000,000,000,000,000.....

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         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Love connects the Universe beautifully. So do you think they can do a rewrite on hell and Save Satan. They are always talking sh*t about the guy, he needs love most.

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            AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Poor Satan.

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               Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               God and Satan have not talk things out for a 1000 years. Guess Christians are the same way.
               
               

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                  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  She is of my seed, hard to believe she is the sweetest person I know.

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                     colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     She looks lovely from what I can see of her on the photo. 
                     Thanks for sharing.   

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                        Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        She is a better artist than me at that age and beyond my dreams.

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                           colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           My oldest son surpassed me in charcoals, pastels, water colors, oils, pencils, and maybe more.  So! I know the feeling.  I'm proud of him in the best possible way.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Our sibling love last longer than lovers more often .

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   Austinstarposted 7 years ago

   You would think we would all be weaned after 2,000 years! Sheesh!

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      AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not a chance.
      
      What else would so nicely serve as a sugarcoated disguise of our own personal agendas?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      how? after we have only had one back tire and training wheels---->?

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   Castlepalomaposted 7 years ago

   Religious leaders are much like politician where there is a lot of authoritarian brainwashing.
   
   People are better off without both,  except lower levels of Government.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   True religion is based on scientific facts. How many of those are (clearly laid out for all to see) in The Bible?
   ------->??

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Lol lol lol ha haha
      
      I'll use that one, on my open mic comedy.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         not being funny. its a sad state of affairs. No wonder the world is a wreck and the United States is a psychological wreck.
         But at least we (still) have (a little) free-will here in US !!!!
         So, thats good.
         Right?
         (PS BUT NOT IF BERNIE GETS ELECTED!)

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Christian science proves there is a God, while secular human science tries to prove the big bag theory, it  only proves creation by design.   There is no getting away from it except through denial, but there it is anyway.

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         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Let's just call them both theories. Most professional scientist think the big bang is more possible.
         
         Rather think I'm a child of stardust than to think a must to retire in hell for disobedience of many nonsense laws.

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            wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            What, you really want to wear cotton and rayon at the same time?  The stones are waiting...

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            You do not know what Christian science is about I take it?   It is a fascinating study.  Creation happened somehow, to exclude 'the big bang theory' would be naive.  That is not to say the BANG happened like a blast or explosion ...but more reasonable to believe it evolved over time in space.  One thing science proves is that it was by design by intelligence...a Creator.
            
            I'm not a hell fire and brimstone peddler.  "All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return."  -  Ecclesiastes 3:20, I believe that is a reference to our bodies, not our spirit and soul.  All that is left when we are cremated is some dust and fragments of bone.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Meandering thoughts:
               What happens to our invisible soul after we die? Our invisible soul goes to a place which is also invisible? Is Heaven invisible?
               After we shed our bag of rattling heavy bones, we are light and free!
               Even a murderer, a Hitler gets to die. What happens to these types after they die?
               Are they also in Heaven for the sheer fact that they have no body?
               What would be Hell, if also invisible?
               
               What is celestially located hell fire and brimstone? Does it burn you to death … but you are already untouchable by physical fire and brimstone! You are invisible!
               
               The answer to these questions are not in the Bible as far as I know.

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                  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Jesus caused many who were blind to see. -- “One thing I do know: I was blind, and now I can see!” John 9:25 
                  
                  There are several verses about spiritual blindness. Pharisees and religious leaders of the Law, Jesus called blind because they refused to see spiritual truth.
                  
                  "The Law and the Kingdom of God"  Luke 16:14-31
                  *  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s … ersion=ESV
                  The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things, and they ridiculed him. 15 And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.... The Rich Man and Lazarus...
                  
                  "Heart" is interchangeable with "Spirit" in Scriptures (mind, soul)
                  
                  'The Eyes of Your Understanding' beign Enlightened
                  http://www.dianedew.com/eyesundr.htm
                  
                  2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (NET)
                  4:3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of those who do not believe so they would not see the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God.
                  
                  Satan, is the god of this world, or "the god of this age".
                  
                  20/20 Spiritual Vision -  Psalm 73
                  http://biblehub.com/niv/psalms/73.htm
                  
                  Colossians 1:16... "for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can't see--such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him."
                  
                  Hebrews 4:12-14:   "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. 14Therefore, since we have such a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess.…"

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               Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Christain science facts
               
               The world largest Creationism museum tries to prove the earth is 6000 years old. Along with dinosaur co existing with them. That can be easily proven wrong.
               
               Noah story of the flood that hit the highest mountain. That would take 4 times the water on earth. Plus all the animal would die except the turkey vulture from freezing and too thin of air for breathing
               
               Russia drill a hole in the ground 9 km down. Then a Christain scientist put a microphone down to study all the screaming going on in hell. Their other proof that Jesus visit hell to covince the torture people he is suffering more than them.
               
               When are they going send down the next Christ-like person to report the evidence of hell in Russia that really dose exist.
               
               This is bigger than landing on the moon If he has enough faith to do it he proves everything Jesus said was the truth. Or just prove he is another idiot

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                  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Those who believe in a younger age for the earth tend to agree that the Bible does mention dinosaurs, though it never actually uses the word “dinosaur.” Instead, it uses the Hebrew word tanniyn, which is translated a few different ways in our English Bibles. Sometimes it’s “sea monster,” and sometimes it’s “serpent.” It is most commonly translated “dragon.” The tanniyn appear to have been some sort of giant reptile. These creatures are mentioned nearly thirty times in the Old Testament and were found both on land and in the water. 
                  http://www.gotquestions.org/dinosaurs-Bible.html

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                     Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Dinosaurs were so many and huge back then. They would of been all eaten up. Wail no dinosaurs bones have been discover with human bones.

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                        colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Textbooks on evolution neglect to mention it for obvious reasons.
                        
                        The layer is a 15- to 18-inch-thick layer of phosphate rock in the southeastern United States. The rock is 65 percent phosphate, which means that the layer is made primarily of the bones of dead animals. The bones were clearly deposited by a huge flood; the deposit is at least as large as the Everglades! And mixed into the layer are bones of all sorts of animals that evolution says could not have lived together, including human bones and Hadrosaurus bones
                        
                        *  http://www.creationmoments.com/radio/tr … s-together

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                           Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           For all the dinosaurs found on earth, they could not find one human Bone near it.
                           
                           A Christain found a giant human the size of a football feild. What scientist would sign onto that one.

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                              colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Nephilim   ("a 15- to 18-inch-thick layer of phosphate rock") at the same layer.
                              
                              Genesis 6:4  (KJV)
                              
                              There were giants (Nephilim)  in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
                              
                              Secular human science tries to disprove the Bible. Certainly 'they' would not confirm that it is accurate.
                              Jesus didn't have good things to say about Scribes and Pharisees.   
                              
                              Matthew 5:20    For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
                              
                              There have many secular human scientists who came to know Jesus Christ and their eyes were opened to the truth and their knowledge of the Bible and scientific discovery of facts increased over time.

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                                 AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 The meaning of nephilim is slightly unclear, usually translated to mean a great warrior or mighty one. It has been sometimes translated to mean giants, particularly in kjv. Translators do not agree.
                                 
                                 Science does not try to disprove anything. To disprove anything is illogical and unscientific. I don't know why ppl insist that science does or should do this insanely illogical concept. Scientists simply do not see the logic in assuming a Judeo-Christian God after observing a set of facts which to fit that religion. Science has no religious agenda, and I'm beginning to think that anyone assuming such is simply projecting their own possession of one, onto science. Science by nature has no agenda. Science cannot make proofs about something which is by definition outside the ability of science to prove. It would not hurt science to find that ppl coinhabited with dinosaurs, for instance. It would simply mean they have new information with which to understand the world.
                                 
                                 If scientific findings support the Christian or theory view, great! But science has no agenda for hiding information or any such thing. They'll show their findings but simply don't take the leap of logic needed to associate it with a God.
                                 
                                 I used to think that science had an agenda as well, until I fully understood the nature of science and the philosophies of interpreting data.
                                 
                                 Theists have every reason however to pick and choose how to interpret scientific findings to their own interest, because they have a religious belief system applicable to all parts of their life.
                                 
                                 Science has no such application and therefore no agenda. It attempts to find truths and interpret them according to testable facts. If God does exist, science is not in any position to prove it. The concept of God and especially a Judeo-Christian God is scientifically untestable. Also consider this: Should science be able to find evidence of intelligent creation, does that mean it's a god? No. The concept of God also assumes its requirement of worship, etc... And that's outside the realm of science. Science simply cannot test something which is scientifically untestable by definition.
                                 
                                 Also, many theists have become atheists and agnostics after becoming more acquainted with scientific and logical principles.

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                                    colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    In Charles Darwin's 1876 Autobiography he was very blunt about his contrary to biblical truths.  Otherwise, he always tired to conceal his agenda for obvious reasons.
                                    
                                    Darwinism - Evolution is promoted as an ideology, and is a secular religion. It is a completely developed or established alternative to Christianity, with its meanings, beliefs and moralities.
                                    
                                    "The Origins of the Religion of Darwinism"
                                    http://www.religionofdarwinism.com/origins.html
                                    
                                    Academia's teachings follow Darwinism and influences the education of scientists.  In other words they are produced.
                                    
                                    "Social Darwinism" (socialist agenda) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

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                                       AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       We were discussing science, not Darwin personally.
                                       
                                       Just because Darwin was not theist, it does not mean 1. That he had an agenda or 2. That he represents all of science  3. That anyone studying his theories must have an agenda and 4. Even if he did have an agenda, that His theories are assumed and not tested. Science doesn't work like that.
                                       
                                       
                                       Again, why is it always assumed there is agenda?
                                       
                                       The only reason his ideas were accepted to begin with were that they seemed to fit scientific data. Should they be found to not do so, they will be rejected. Such is the nature of the life and death of hypotheses and theories.
                                       
                                       Darwins studies are exclusive to evolutionary theory, which has been challenged and studied by many scientists, theist or not, who may or may not find it accurate, for scientific reasons. It's not like Darwin wrote a book and all scientists believed it. It seemed like a workable theory and is being tested.  Many scientists find flaws in it and seek to improve it. They don't follow Darwin like a god. Some reject it as an explanation of origin but accept it's applicability within species. It's about how you interpret data.

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                                          colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          "The elite believe they are a more advanced form of human. In order to justify their belief they grafted Darwin's theories of biological evolution onto social organization to create Social Darwinism. Over the centuries they have referred to the public variously as cattle, sheep and "its" (as Plato did in The Republic) and Social Darwinism is merely the modern expression of this attitude and their elitist belief system. Under this belief system only those that have proven their worth over many generations of dominance and control are worthy of entrance into high elite circles."
                                          *  http://www.globalistagenda.org/elitebeliefs.htm
                                          
                                          Its something I have studies in great length.  Its well documented, I could go on with this all day long, but would ask that you do some research on your own, because you are the one you need to convince, not me.

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                                             AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                             As I have as well, very extensively. To assume I do not is a bit presumptuous. Alot is well documented. Many different views are well documented. The fact that there is disagreement among learned people simply means we have come to different conclusions with the data we have studied, and it is healthy to discuss. Simply stating "I've researched this and it's well documented" does not make any valid statement of credibility or truth. If you do not wish to discuss further, that is alright.

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                                       AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       In response to the edited version of your post:
                                       
                                       You are simply stating your views, not proving their validity. You believe that Darwinism is a religion, but that is your own interpretation of his theory. It provides no logical basis for your argument  Again, the theory of evolution has been changed and altered, picked apart and examined to see if it does fit scientific data. Not all scientists accept it, and some limit its accuracy. It is subject to change and even complete dismissal. If it were religion, this would not be the case.

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                                          colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          I do not think I have been stating my views. I do not feel a need to validate anything. I am not arguing. I am providing information so that others can research the topic on their own time.   There are always two sides to every coin.  Do your own research, or not.

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                                             AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                             And that is good. However it was within the context of you providing information to validate your claim. Therefore I discussed with you in a respectful manner as to why this may not be the case. I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm discussing the ideas you put forth.

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                                                colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                The information I have provided has been validated, I do not need to do that.  Its all there for the finding and digging deep into researching it.  I know you are intelligent and like to educate yourself.  There is no reason to be defensive, I am on your side, not against you. 
                                                Take what you can use and leave the rest. - Be at rest!

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                                                   AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                   No no, Not defensive at all, I did not mean to appear so. It's not about me against anyone, when discussing ideas. I was just  saying the ideas you put forth are not "validated" universally.

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                     Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     If true. Then explain why they aren't here now. The flood wouldn't have wiped them out. Since Noah is said to have taken a breeding pair of every animal onto the ark with him.

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                        colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm too tired to explain it to you.  Do some keyword research and then let me know what you think. Now, that could be interesting.  Nite, nite!

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                           Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Since I find your theory to be ludicrous I see no reason to pursue it. If you want to explain why it isn't completely ludicrous that would be nice.

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                              colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              What theory, I didn't express mine?   Yeah, I expected something ' ludicrous' from you, and wasn't about to entertain your completely ludicrous posts.  I don't waste my time discussing things with you because it is usually from a ludicrous standpoint you like to take when you address me.  Move on!

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   Austinstarposted 7 years ago

   I just watched the movie, Spotlight. How can anyone watch that and still remain religious? There must be a defective gene left over from cave man days that some people have called the 'god' gene. It makes people stupid regarding logic and facts. It's ok for a priest to rape children, it's god's will and part of his giant plan that nobody knows or understands, right?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      no wonder some in the Catholic religion are psychological wrecks. Not all, of course. Some intuit the message of Christ despite the indoctrinations and political orientations that developed over these last two thousand years. Human nature for most is very persistent, after all.

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   Austinstarposted 7 years ago

   Right, because NO ONE in the Protestant sects rapes children! Or in any other religion! Which one is the correct religion again?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      no wonder some in the Catholic and Protestant religions, etc. are psychological wrecks. Not all, of course. Some intuit the message of Christ despite the indoctrinations and political orientations that developed over these last two thousand years. Human nature for most is very persistent, after all.

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The one with the biggest guns on earth and the one with the  most frightening hell . It's based on fear.

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   Austinstarposted 7 years ago

   When you teach a kid something that they can understand, or teach it in a way they can understan, they will learn. Otherwise teachers are wasting their time. You have to compete with the internet now, not just force feed them lessons withought meanings.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, are teachers still teaching this way? force feeding? rote memorization? Many students in high school don't care about grades anymore. They're failing. They cease to try. Mentally lazy, unmotivated. I tried to engage in a conversation about the situation in this one class, they pretty much looked past me. Long dead it seemed.

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Luckily Noah story made no sense to me at age 7.  Kids today learn to mistrust their parents, now kids will train their parents today because their wide knowledge of everything is online.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         They know too much.

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            Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Well, it is a lot easier these days to see through the b.s. Good thing we now have modern medicine to cure leprosy and treat mental illnesses (demons). If we were still going on biblical faith healing, we would have priests and faith healers treating patients.
            Science! Working to explain how our food is digested and how we got created in the first place. Hint - God probably didn't do it!

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   Onusonusposted 7 years ago

   Ah finally there will be no more need for churches and charities. Now the government can take full control of of it's predestined purpose to help the poor and oppressed as it was truly meant to do. Like it so successfully did with the Native peoples of America.... and the Black family,,,,,,,,

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      huh?

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         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I trust the Fed Government less.

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            No other group we pay half our money to like the Government. Most people do not understand Hyperinflation interested and how it works.  Our nation and world-wide debt that ruins our children lives. My hope is in BRICS not Religion. least Religion it's where you have the free will to call it insane.

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         gmwilliamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         To digress from the subject at hand, the poor will have to learn to help themselves & to progress away from beliefs, consciousness, lifestyles, mentalities, mindsets, outlooks, philosophies, & psychologies which causes, lead to, & result in poverty.  Many people are poor, especially in the United States, because of what I have described.  They are poor because of a passive, rescue me, irresponsible, & fatalist attitude.  NO ONE has to be poor in the United States.   No one owes the poor anything-the poor owes themselves. To help the poor only causes them to expect it, becoming more dependent, & never rising above their negative socioeconomic condition.
         
         
         There have been government programs ad infinitum to help the poor but to no fruition.  The poor need to help themselves & stop being passive, expecting others to do the job for them. Don't you agree?  Oh yes, religious charities also enable the poor by subliminally conveying to them that being poor is okay, even noble.  They also keep the poor powerless by such conveying & themselves in power.   Time to educate poor people by tough love & teach them to do for self.

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Entrepreneurship made America great, but government rules, fees, taxes, regulations, etc. has made the American dream nearly impossible for many to maintain or even attain.  We need less government interference ... they create laws for the big corporations to thrive... and one hand washes the other there.

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Good one! I like that. Jesus did say He would put a stumbling block before us, but He is the Way, the Truth and the Light that no one should stumble and fall.  The government is our biggest stumbling block? Could be.

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   gmwilliamsposted 7 years ago

   As humankind evolves into spiritual adulthood, there will be no longer a need for religion.  Religion was instituted for the purpose of keeping humankind in spiritual infancy.   All educated & aware people know this.   Religion was constructed to control & disempower the masses, keeping them uneducated, unquestioning, powerless, blindly obedient,  & woefully ignorant.   
   
   More & more people are progressing out of religion & into spirituality which is beyond religion.  Only a very minute few will be religious in the 21st century & beyond.  Religion is slowly becoming extinct.  Even people who belong to a religion aren't taking religion seriously.  They see it as a psychic balm of sorts.  Only a few retrogressive elements are taking religion seriously. 
   

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Most people do say they are spiritual rather than Religious.
      
      It feels like most are soft christains and must keep one foot in the group. For social connections and fear in case they are wrong and go to hell. Still fear rules the world.

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         gmwilliamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Fear certainly DOES RULE......and with AN IRON FIST or rather a PSYCHIC FIST.
         

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Save Satan
            
            Then Satan will not have torture 10s of billions of fornicators forever.
            
            Then Satan could turn the place into a hot nightclub for his boys and girls.

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    bdn9385posted 7 years ago

    Matthew 13:24-30 (NIV)
    
    The Parable of the Weeds
    24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
    
    27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
    
    28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
    
    “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
    
    29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
    
    Conclusion:
    God will never wean Humans off religion unless it's already time for harvest. Unfortunately, harvest is not yet. What are you going to do with the other righteous truly devoted Christians out there who are really doing their Job? Must wheat really have to suffer because the field is full of weeds? Wheat and  weeds are present not only within religious organization but also in other organizations such as government establishments, businesses, schools and even families. Then do we also have to wean the Earth of these organizations?
    God will spare the whole City if only He can find few residents with a righteous conduct in that City.
    
    Weaning the whole earth with religion is like depriving Man his Wife. God said it is not God for a Man to be alone. No matter how frail the Woman is, Man has to take care of Her because tomorrow, the next Son they may bear might become the ruler of the world.

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       Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Weeds are a hell of a problem.
       
       What I do is play God and control the air, Sun and water inside a greenhouse. Result very little or no weeds and bugs. Rather than these Christain farmer who use pesticides and growing chemical that kill everything else insight and reproduction of seed.
       
       Not only that, most animals on earth are dead the last 50 years. These top authorthies politician/religion their time is up from ruling the earth. They also interfere on how we have sex/love and what natural products we put into our bodies. That"s not all folks, they threaten us with a second coming to destroy the earth if we don't obey even harder. The top 5 threats to mankind is the natural environment relationship related, not the fear of Jesus to get another shot at us.
       
       Supernatural superstitious organization are not working and empty prayers to a natural planet that is already given, let's not mess it up.
       
       It's worth worshiping nature, woman and the Sun. Rather than everything synthetically made like religion/politician who are the only ones who can get elected and attempt to create a phony One world order and one world religion.
       
       I can except keeping one's religion to thy self as an important Commandment in order except and respect most others.

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          wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          "Not only that, most animals on earth are dead the last 50 years."
          
          An interesting claim.  Whether you're using total animal tonnage or the number of individual animals, I highly doubt that over half of animal life has died in the last 5 decades (particularly as half the tonnage of animal life on the planet is bacteria and far more than half if it is the number of individual bacteria).  Can you back up your numbers at all?

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             Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

             According to WWF, Half of the wildlife animals, birds and fish have died in the world in the past 40 years.
             
             I don't count livestock in which much of it is unhealthy to eat and inhumane to produce.

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                colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                The government says they need to be the keepers of land and our natural resources because they know better than the people who inhabit the lands.  They end up ruining those lands, and eliminating the natural resources people use to survive with pesticides, toxic spills, etc.

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                wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Not so.  The WWF figures apply ONLY to some 3,000 specific vertebrate species, and even then had to be recalculated using a different base of species to come to that figure.  The 2012 calculation, for instance, showed that it was increasing - something they didn't want to spread, so they picked different species to use.  A database with many more reptiles, fish and amphibians, and only a very small portion of the 62,000 species described around the world.  It is worth noting, at the same time, that all invertebrates are excluded from the calculation; a group that includes a large majority of all animal life.
                
                I suppose it helps as well to exclude domestic animals, as you indicate.  Cherry picking the species to be included is an easy way to "prove" the point.

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                   Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                   OK, I could have said natural living animals.
                   
                   These Governments don't really care about human, when they enslave and cage us.
                   
                   What protection and research could Governments possibly care about wildlife destruction. The wildlife ripoff is second to the drug trade. Since we are bio organisms first, it's most important to me since age 6 with a zoo in my basement to belonging to many wildlife organization today. Building many natural history museum displays and theme park animal displays.
                   
                   After traveling 95 countries since the 60s I have no problems being an eye witnesses to 90% big fish in the Ocean being dead. Or to 75% useable trees dead and most mammals, birds and greatest amphibians dead. If we can't get environmental lawyers to do a dam thing. I'll sculpture wildlife stories around the world.

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                      bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                      God gave the solution but He knew Man will present their own. Christ also said many will come in my name and will deceive many. God wanted the weeds to stay with the wheat because he wanted to boost the immunity of the wheat. Immune wheat are likely to survive pests as well. When consumed by Man, these wheat provide great boost in Human immune system. Very few of these wheat could indeed survive but these survivor wheat will live in the house of God.
                      
                      For the other wheat intended for mass production, you may apply your "play God and control the air, Sun and water inside a greenhouse". But know that these wheat are not fit in the house of God for they are gentile's wheat.
                      
                      Now as for the weeds, God appropriated 6 days of work in the field but on the 7th day, the shemitah of God must be observed to strengthen again the land to support the wheat in overcoming the weeds. This does it all. Violation of this instruction from God resulted into the field's poor condition today.
                      
                      God said it is His duty to separate the sheep from the flock not ours, for we are not capable anyway, on the Judgment Day.
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                      "“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
                      
                      29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”"

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                         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                         1. You work longer and harder going it the old fashion way (weeding and bugs by hand forever)
                         
                         2. Commercially planting with poisoning the soil, plant, bugs and humans.
                         
                         3 Work smarter, not longer. Work eeverything healthier in a greenhouse for 4 season, easy to bug and weed. If God loves grace, he will love us, and give the finger to Satan over doing of poison, weeds,bugs and the evil of money.

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                            bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                            If you are a rich parent and you give everything your children whatever they want then when they grow up, they will only exploit your wealth to the very last penny. When everything is gone, they will even blame you for their miseries.
                            
                            Parenting on the human realm is a very long, painful, tedious process often requiring acts of sacrifice, discipline, wisdom, passion and love. That is the way to nurture and produce truly responsible, wise, firm and obedient Children. Whatever your children do is likely to flourish.
                            
                            On the Spiritual realm nurturing God's children could take as long as 6000 years perhaps. The creation of the Earth and Universe took Billions of years. There is no shortcut to success.
                            
                            Whoever gave you the idea that we can create success easily by the use of wit and intellect could be someone whom God Himself gave all the power of Wit and Intellect but in the long run, is not anymore willing to endure pain and suffering with God in creating other beings much much more capable of restoring and taking care the creations of God because he already lusted and wanted to take the creation by Himself.

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                               Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                               I build and give workshops on eco self sustainable  housing and energy
                               Plus permaculture because we're upon a dollar crash and economics collapse. My daughter and I are professional artist, so you need to be tough as nails to survive that.
                               
                               We believe to be self serve in order to serve others better, no God is needed.
                               Unless your lonely and need an imaginary friend to play around with.

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                                  bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                  If the earth is going to perish it doesn't matter if you can build the best underground shelter. But yes of course you may continue with the noble job you currently have. Economy is going to collapse anyway and unless someone cares hardly enough, nothing is going to change. Uproot the culprit. Mere remedies is very tiresome and frustrating. In the end you will give up and go crazy.

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                                     Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                     You are what you think. If you think we will perish that is what will happen to you.
                                     
                                     My aim is to give love and kindness to the world.
                                     
                                     Religion carries too much fear, war and a great lack of care to the natural environment.
                                     
                                     One natural talent I  process is to envision the future  . Over a hundred million  people will be killed and America is ground zero. In the pass 30 years my prediction have been 100% correct.
                                     
                                     May the most diverse creature win, nature is the only true religion.

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                                        bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                        I am already satisfied with your reply because your intent is good. Just remember, it doesn't matter if you believe Him or not for as long as you are fighting for the same cause. My only point is you can greatly boost your endeavor if you could call for each other's hand. It may empower you a lot to accomplish your plans. God has spiritual armors to offer that can withstand against the Devil at his best but if you can fight with your improvised weapons, why not? Thank you and God Bless.

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                                        Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                        Most agree with Jesus in helping the poor and healing.
                                        
                                        Best thing is to work hardest on weakness or low energy people for our balance .
                                        
                                        Save Satan he needs our love most, his great mental illness can be treated.

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                                        Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                        Maybe by pen.

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                                        bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                        Save Satan and ruin God's plan. God will deal with Him as soon as He is able to  harvest His first fruits. The command is to love our enemies and bless them if they persecute us and say all evil things against us that we may become the children of God. People who are not willing to share the burden of the cross Christ bear in the Calvary are not His but the adversaries own. It is Satan who complains too much instead of listening to God's grand purpose although it is God who built Him to act as such that we people might be saved through the persecutions of Satan's forces.

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                                        bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                        Without Satan, there is no way we Humans can evolve into thinking like that of God.
                                        Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

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                                        bdn9385posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                        Should we even be discussing by now if there is no adversary to argue in the first place? We will only be like the Angels who are discussing about all the good things in life and when bad things befall them, they run to God and ask too many questions and explanations. God has grown tired of it that is why He is creating entities who are like Him who can withstand everything amidst calamities and bad things in life. He wanted the company of dependable, reliable and trustworthy people just like Him.

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                                     Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                     People are generally good. By adding a imaginary threat of eternal torment.
                                     
                                     That brings me to my sanity of pulling for happiness and pushing away suffering

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    minastoreposted 7 years ago

    That good

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    AshtonFireflyposted 7 years ago

    Well that escalated quickly....

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    ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

    "Got to wean humans off religion ",  ........  There is an awesome point  of contention !  And my point ?    The weaning of humanity away from at least religious like morals , IS the biggest reason for the decline in cultural , social , political maturity in not only America  , but all across our world .     Even a path of intellectualism alone isn't enough  without a sense of common human decency  !   And that doesn't mean just Christianity but all religiously  influenced human behavior.  Wean man  away from God ? More the opposite would be far better , but I'm certainly not surprised to see this coming from here !
    
    Are the origins of morality  assumed to originate  from intellectualism only ? Only psuedo-atheists think so here.

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    cheaptrickposted 7 years ago

    Then why didn't he make them that way in the first place?...

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    ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

    A better question ,  Does intellectualism generate enough morality ? Personally , I'd rather be acquainted with   a decent  lower I.Q. God freak than  a dozen pretend  intellectuals .

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