Does God Exist?

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   Because no man can count the hairs on his head. You just try . Even the secretaries of bible writers never claimed they could do this. But of Devine origin or higher entity then humans have this ability . Just like if you invented Robot ! You know exactly how you built him you know exactly what it would take in power  to make him work. You would know the small and large details .
   And with humans even the number of our hairs are known.

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   I am glad you pointed out that you assume just as you have in your prior post of opinion. I do not claim I a A in the English language but when any replies back it is very clear I am understood as you are replying now. So that statement is all it is.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

   Bliss cannot be found in the outer world. Heaven is within.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

   narcissism: The term originated from the Greek mythology, where the young Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. W
   - how does this relate in the slightest to what I have said?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

   Looking into a mirror might promote love of outer self,
   But focusing within brings one to the kingdom of God,
   (which Jesus reveals is within,) where true love of inner self and the inner selves of all and the Source of all selves is felt and perceived.
   
   Right?
   Luke 17:21

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      @Kathryn
      
      "focusing within brings one to the kingdom of God, [] where true love of inner self and the inner selves of all and the Source of all selves is felt and perceived."
      
      Just where precisely does the Bible expressly teach this? Certainly not at Luke 17:21.

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         wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Sounds very much like the beliefs of very early gnosticism.  The Christian "sect" that the church systematically hunted down and killed, destroying all the books and other records it could find.
         
         So I rather doubt you will find it in the bible; the bible written by the church that destroyed those with that belief.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Bingo.

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               Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               But did that stop the bible from going out of existence or making it obsolete ?
               No the message in it is still enforce no matter how many reject it.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  - Information no longer in the Bible or (mentioned only briefly) which should be understood to avoid misinterpretation:
                  Reincarnation
                  Meditation
                  Yoga practice of controlling breath and heart.
                  Divine Mother
                  Astral Plane
                  Healing practices utilizing energy of body/diet.

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                     Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     The principles are there, many people add their own interpretation and opinion of what is written, that is why we have so many religions. but there stands one truth ! The one truth is accepted by people who are contencious of their spiritual needs, who certainly look to the  true God for the answers. And he has never let those who look for him down. There is a differance in people who look for excuses not to accept truth.

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                        jonnycomelatelyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Ha! The god spell according to St K&T.  (And Joseph of course.)
                        But never venture beyond what you have come to regard as the narrow, set-in-a-mold "truth." 
                        A pathetic, limited version of a god that doesn't like this, wont allow that...who writes in obscure meaning, in numerous human languages,  and performs wondrous magical tricks that step outside of his laws of nature....
                        .....when the real journey of exploration is beyond the "god out there."  In here! The journey of enlightenment.  Is this not the meaning of "Yoga?"

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           yoga = union
                           Uniting our consciousness with God's.
                           Living a pure life keeps us on track toward this end.
                           Money is the root of all evil when the pursuit of it takes us away from our ultimate destiny, after all we cannot take it with us.
                           
                           Atheists do not really have a destiny to speak of... do they?

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                              Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              The Background of Yoga or history.
                              The origin of the word “yoga” is related to that of the English word “yoke.” It can mean to join or yoke together or to bring under a yoke, to harness or control. To a Hindu, yoga is a technique or a discipline that leads to union with a great supernatural force or spirit. It has been described as “the yoking of all the powers of body, mind and soul to God.”
                              How far back in history can yoga be traced? Figures of people seated in various yoga positions appear on seals found in the Indus Valley, in present-day Pakistan. The Indus Valley civilization is dated by archaeologists to between the third and the second millenniums B.C.E., very close in time to the Mesopotamian culture. Artifacts from both areas portray a man, representing a deity, crowned with animal horns and surrounded by animals, reminiscent of Nimrod, the “mighty hunter.” (Genesis 10:8, 9) The Hindus claim that the figures sitting in yoga positions are images of the god Siva, lord of the animals and lord of yoga, who is often worshiped through the lingam, a phallic symbol. Thus, the book Hindu World calls yoga “a code of ascetic practices, mainly pre-Aryan in origin, containing relics of many primitive conceptions and observances.”
                              The methods of yoga were at first handed down orally. Then they were put into detailed, written form by the Indian yogic sage Patañjali as the Yoga Sutra, which remains the basic instruction book of yoga. According to Patañjali, yoga is “a methodical effort to attain perfection, through the control of the different elements of human nature, physical and psychical.” From its inception until the present time, yoga has been an integral part of Eastern religions, now particularly Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism. Some practicers of yoga believe that it will lead them to attain moksha, or liberation, through a merging with an all-pervading spirit.
                              s. Yes, the ultimate goal of yoga is moksha, explained as the merging with some impersonal great spirit. It is described as “the (intentional) stopping of the spontaneous activity of the mind stuff.”
                              
                              So once again we ask: ‘Can yoga be practiced simply as a physical exercise to develop a healthy body and a relaxed mind, without any involvement with religion?’ In view of its background, the answer would have to be no.
                              Since this background information on Yoga involves a history of worship to other gods it would put true Christians in a position as to  offend the most high supreme being ,Our Heavenly Father .

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                                 Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 The gods are merely representatives of Brahman.
                                 In Hinduism, Brahman (/ˈbrɑːmən/; Sanskrit: ब्रह्मन् bráhman) is "the unchanging reality amidst and beyond the world", which "cannot be exactly defined". It has been described in Sanskrit as Sat-cit-ānanda (being-consciousness-bliss) and as the highest reality. W
                                 
                                 "The sages of the Upanishads made their pronouncements on the basis of meditative experience and direct knowledge. The earlier Upanishads were written during a time of intensely fertile philosophical and religious revival in which the old dogmas were being questioned while experiential knowledge and logic were being emphasised. It is at this point that the polytheism that characterises the vedic hymns gives way to a search for what is common in the seemingly pluralistic universe. The unitive concepts that arise from this tendency are those of dharma and brahman.
                                 
                                 The Upanishads recount the teachings of gurus to pupils (Brahmacaryas) who are seeking knowledge of Brahman. This knowledge of brahman is not mere epistemic knowledge (knowing about something) but a direct, unambiguous knowing that is liberating in its experience. This culture of acquiring personal knowledge and its concomitant liberation, separate from direct Vedic influence, is now referred to as sramanic culture and has constituted an important influence on the development of mainstream
                                 Hinduism."
                                 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

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                                    Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Many big words you use .but it all boils down to where it came from ,not in any way connected to pure worship of the most High ! It is related in worship to many false god's as said even before  BCE . That does not change the truth.

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       it explains Jesus just fine.  - well, not for you... but for me.
                                       So, I hope you don't mind.

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                                    Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    If we truly love and care about what is important to Jesus and the heavenly Father then we would be very careful not to link them with foreign gods or deities as listed these are listed in with connections of Yoga!
                                    The god of siva
                                    The god of animals
                                    Through lingam
                                    Again  , the ultimate goal of yoga is moksha, explained as the merging with some impersonal great spirit. It is described as “the (intentional) stopping of the spontaneous activity of the mind stuff.”meaning empty your mind to a blank page.
                                    
                                    He gives us some counsel what can happen if we peruse it.
                                    
                                    Reference Bible Mt 12:44 Then it says, ‘I will go back to my house out of which I moved’; and on arriving it finds it unoccupied  (but swept clean and adorned. ( an empty mind.)
                                    
                                    Reference Bible Mt 12:45 Then it goes its way and takes along with it seven different spirits more wicked than itself, and, after getting inside, they dwell there; and the final circumstances of that man become worse than the first. That is how it will be also with this wicked generation.” 
                                    
                                    What Jesus want us to do.
                                    New World Translation Mt 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 
                                    
                                    If your mind is empty you can not do the work of Jesus.
                                    Nor can you love God with your whole mind and soul because you empty it.

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       No! Meditation is giving your whole body, mind and soul to God as Jesus instructed. The attention is to be focused on God with 100 % devotion.  it is a common misconception about meditation. It is pointless to meditate without this focus.  Although some receive benefits in resting the mind, it is actually dangerous as other entities could enter.
                                       
                                       PMC

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                                          Cat333posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Using a "meditative like" manner of focusing on and interacting with the Lord is different than meditation in some other senses of the word. Praying, focusing attention on the Lord, praying in the Spirit, waiting on the Lord, being silent before him, and so on can all have some similarities to some of the aspects of meditation. Just be careful. It sounds here like you do recognize that the Lord needs to be your focus, but you often make references to Hinduism and false religion in an embracing manner. Be cautious about embracing that which is of the world and / or that within which the demonic realm is or has the potential to be active. God's people have often tried to serve both Him and false gods (just take a look at this occurring throughout the Scriptures, and God's stern warnings about it). He is a "jealous" God and wants his people / his bride to be in love with and faithful to Him alone, maintaining purity and avoiding union with anything else.

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                                       Cat333posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Agreed.

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         jonnycomelatelyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Joseph, you can look within the bible " 'til kingdom come....'" but you will never find what you really seek.
         
         Until you drop that need to control others through adherence to an ambiguous ancient text and, instead, look into your own Inner Being, you will always be wasting your own time and that of everyone else. 
         
         But, then, if it's only your own time you waste, so be it.   Hopefully there will be others who look into this discussion and truly see the lies you are perpetrating; and they will find their own enlightenment, free of your home-grown problems.

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            Joseph O Polancoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            "see the lies you are perpetrating"
            
            And just what lies am I supposedly perpetrating?

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               jonnycomelatelyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               One big untruth of your self.

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                  Joseph O Polancoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  ???

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                     jonnycomelatelyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Climb every mountain....

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                  Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  No, he was right with the question marks. lol

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   Sed-meposted 9 years ago

   Yes.
   
   (You can close the thread now. You're welcome.)

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   Also no matter how many try to get rid of it. Hide it change it's meaning . Really no work of man.

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   You have already defined it I do not need to repeat your opinion . I am telling you what that means in believing . As we all will believe creating an action or outcome .You write to me on hp because you created a reply waiting for results. You believe I will reply. And I do.
   The point is believe will always come before existence . No matter the outcome. We all believe everyday of our life. To get things done. You can not separate the two.
   In your example my believe got me hired to receive the salary I still received results of and of  a Job . Even though the end is bankruptcy . I still exercise my believe.

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      Jomine Joseposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1
      That might help.

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   aka-djposted 9 years ago

   Here's an interesting story.
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ … igned.html
   
   Just out of curiosity, how can objects (such as the ones in the above story) be "billions of lightyears" away from us, when the age of the entire universe is only a dozen or so billion years old? (NOT lightyears!)

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      wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      They DO move, you know.  I confess, I'm not understand your question.

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    Steel Engineerposted 9 years ago

    I have always laughed at atheists. They say life came from rocks "water upon the rocks." They have no explanation from where the rocks originate. They have the same lack in their belief, but no proof. We have millions of miracles to support our wisdom. They have NONE to support theirs. All their facts break down to lies. Often, the impetus for lying is very easy to find. Darwin was pressured by his peers. Lucy was a fraud claimed by Donald Johansen... who was about to lose his financing from the (known Satanist family) Rockefellers.
    Meanwhile, I can easily claim, "GIVEN ENOUGH TIME, one sentient being (aka God) could easily create a whole universe... given enough time." That makes more sense than nothing creating everything... given enough time.

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       How about giving us a thesis on "God in the Iron Age," as "God in the Steel Age?"   
       
       For one who depends on the technology obtained from good, accurate scientific study, you surprise me with your arrogant attitude towards atheist-minded people.
       
       Even if we were to concede that a "creator" might have brought our universe into existence, that does not logically lead to a judgmental god looking down up each and every act of each and every human being.  Such stuff is human designed and engineered for ultimate control of other humans.. nothing less.

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       wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       LOL  Yes, you can easily make the claim, or any other (we all can).
       
       The difficult part is supporting you claim with facts.  Which, I see, you carefully failed to do.

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          Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          I think this is good proof that Engineer has listed, no one has proved it not to be true, but people know the difference when you are rejecting an answer then putting up proof . You are not. So it is so easy for you to say you have not given it . Then give it. This is so old .

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             wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

             WHAT proof?  All he offered was an opinion and a false statement that there are millions of miracles (which I define as something that defies natural law) to look at!  Oh, and the false statement that we do not know where rocks come from; we understand that event quite well.
             
             The only truth there was that Darwin was pressured, which he was.  Pressured by friends to publish his work and theory; Darwin was very afraid to publish (and events proved his fear was quite correct) for what the church would do to him.  Not that that has anything to do with the validity of his work.

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                Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Where is your proof you have never produced any as long as I have been here on hubpages. And that have been some years now. And all I have heard is the same old lines , Because you have no legit proof.  So you just keep repeating those words over and over again as a substitute to reject proof . I have never seen the same people ever say something was correct  . Everything can not all be wrong .
                But you label everything that is said here. wrong and no proof. That is not realistic.

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                   wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                   You (and others) make the claim of a god, not I.  So prove it.  Somehow you seem to forget the little fact that claims require proof, expecting the claim to stand on it's own as truth.  It doesn't.
                   
                   But I do notice you didn't indicate what the engineer said that could be construed as proof.  Care to elucidate now?

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    Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

    Thumbs up to you ! Steel Engineer now that proof!

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    Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

    Very good example cat333 I appreciate it.

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       Cat333posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks and you're welcome! Here's another example that may be of interest:
       
       About three years ago at a bizarre, I was walking along the tables when a man holding a stuffed puppy approached me. I thought maybe he was going to see if my then two-year-old son was interested in it. Instead he said to me, "Do you want to hold it?" I admit my thoughts were a little harsh - I thought to myself, Why does this crazy old man think I'd want to hold a stuffed animal; why wouldn't he give it to my son? But so as not to hurt his feelings, I took the stuffed puppy. Immediately, strange sensations and jolts of warmth and power went through me, and I immediately wanted to know who this man was and whether or not he was a Christian because it was obvious that either 1) it was of God and the stuffed animal was anointed, or 2) there was something from an evil, demonic realm going on. I had absolutely not been expecting this, and even when I experienced this manifestation I could not determine if it was of God or an evil force. So to determine, I quickly read the fliers he had. He and his wife were Christians and made the stuffed animals for orphans of other countries to comfort them. They were a non-profit organization; all the proceeds (as well as stuffed animals) went to help these orphans. It seems the stuffed animals had been anointed so that they would bring comfort to the children who'd lost their parents. Such an unexpected experience, and I admit one likely not easily believed by those who've never experienced anointing or supernatural manifestations.

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    Jeramiposted 9 years ago

    JONNYCOMELATELY WROTE:
    
    " .........You know that I do not accept the idea of an individual consciousness continuing after my death. ......"
    
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          I was pondering this issue concerning the individual consciousness continuing after death.
    Assuming that we do; Would it be most similar to the consciousness that I possessed when I was a teenager, or   like when I was in my twenties raising infants, or later raising teenagers?
       Or would my attitude be more like it was when I first held a grandchild?
       Maybe none of the above.   
       What if I was a tea toddler when I was young and a crack addict in my later years.
        If my personal consciousness does continue after death, do I get to choose from the list above concerning the condition of my consciousness that I get to keep.
    Or  am I stuck with where I happen to be at the time of death?
       From my prospective, it seems I have been different people at different times in this life.
       
        As I said in the beginning of this post. 
    I was contemplating this issue and have yet to come to any conclusion.

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       wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Does the consciousness have a long term memory?  If so, it would seem reasonable to assume it can and will grow and develop, it will change, over time.  Given that, it should not matter a great deal just what point of your past becomes the after death consciousness.
       
       And if it doesn't, if there is no memory or growth, it would be hard to imagine a worse fate.  Unless it was eternal life in a changing consciousness that has repeated every possible experience a million times over!

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          Jeramiposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          I don't know any of the answers to be true. I just know there are more questions than I can imagine.
             Sometimes it seems that some of these questions come to me from somewhere else other than my own consciousness.  And if they do ?  It would seem that  my consciousness is connected to something outside of my self.  And would that be as saying, my consciousness is drawn to it?
           
              Whatever that is (?)  would you be offended if I call what ever "IT" is,  something in particular when I don't know what it is?  If I chose to call it God, and then attach attributes to it depending upon my experiences with it ?   
                I can create whatever "close and personal" reality in my own mind but I can not (and don't want to) control that close and personal reality of your mind.
          
                We must remember that there is this other reality, out there in the world, that for the most part, has little or nothing to do with what is going on in my mind.  Those things I am unaware of does sometimes affect my reality in some ways that I am unaware.
             gotta go for now  --  be back later

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             wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

             "If I chose to call it God, and then attach attributes to it depending upon my experiences with it ?"
             
             Why not?  It seems everyone else has, and then went on to proclaim their version to be the one and only true God.
             
             Although your experiences don't seem to be well researched, even to the point that they originate outside you - words such as "seem", "what ever", "something", "don't know" don't give a lot of confidence that there is actually anything there at all.

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                Jeramiposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                "Seems to me"  ... seems to me to be the only true expression as apposed to "I"M Sure it is the way I prepreive it to be"
                    Just because something Seems to be true to a multitude does not make it a certainty any more than when something else "Seems" to be true to only one individual.
                   Many things "Seemed" to be true for Einstein that didn't seem to be true to his peers.
                
                   My experiences need not be researched by anyone seeing as I am not making any conclusion and stating it as a fact.
                   It is impossible to prove a thought comes from out side from the self.
                   There is a definition in the dictionary for what a thought is.
                   There is equipment that detects activity in the brain when a person is having thoughts.
                   Can you hold a thought in your hand or in a basket? Can't smell it or taste it, eat it or measure it.
                
                Can a thought be contained in a single brain or does it fill a room?
                I can give you a thought that you have never thunked before by whispering in your ear.
                I might shout across a room and only a few people may hear and be given a thought from it.
                
                A thought is kinda like an invisible object being thrown into the pond of our mind.
                If not for the ripples on the surface others might not know you had one.
                   Science can measure differences on the surfaces of your mind when you have a thought, but from that, can they tell how good or bad that thought was?  Was it big or little; is it red or is it blue.
                
                       But you are going to tell me where it comes from or doesn't?
                I don't care if you say "It Seems" like or that you are sure of it, I don't think you do.

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Lol!   That what ever it might be after death is like nothing you can describe.
       
       Is it not a peculiar condition of the human mind tries to latch onto something which is beyond description yet chooses to ignore/neglect reality which is demanding care and attention?
       
       For example, there has been great fear generated around what might, potentially be harmful in the radio waves eminating from cell phones - with little or no scientific evidence to back up such concerns.
       Yet the same people wilfully ignore the very real, and proven, dangers of using a phone while driving a motor vehicle or pushing a baby in stroller across a busy road.
       Strange and so contradictory.
       
       I see religious beliefs a bit like this.

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          Jeramiposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          One would think that IF one thing is to be true, that in itself would mandate a line of possibilities that should follow, and another set of circumstances that then could not be true.
          
              So, depending upon what thing we first determine in our mind to be true,  this choice then determines the path in which our beliefs are to expand.
              So choose wisely; do you take the blue pill or the red one.
              For either, in your own mind must certainly appear to be truth.

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