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William Thomas says
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M. T. Dremer says
I wouldn't display it, but I do know some who do and who are not racist. They would have defended the people in the Charleston shooting if they had been given the opportunity.
I completely agree. It has no place at all on a government building. Let people have them if they truly feel the need, but absolutely out of anything govt. related.
Denying others the right to display it would open the door to more infringement on free speech. A special vote by citizens on whether this particular flag should be in a museum or openly out in a public venue seems to be a reasonable solution.
The 1st Amendment is not a denial of rights to freedom of speech unless that speech is abusive or in any way intimidates or threatens others. That's why there is NO reason for that flag. It abuses the 1st Amendment.
That is not at all an accurate description of the constraints on the first amendment. You cannot ban speech because it intimidates, confuses, or abuses others. You might consider this question abusive.
The Constitution provides for the protection of free speech. It doesn't provide protection for abusive speech that is a violation of Civil or human rights protections which include subtle intimidation in the form of a racist flag used as a warning.
What some consider abusive or intimidating speech is not the same as what others consider it to be. That is why everyone's opinion is protected in this country. False "fire!" in a theater is a distortion of facts that can harm, not an opinion.
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Eric Dierker says
No, because not everyone in government or among citizens felt that way. That quote reminds me of a quote from an important president: "You can say a dog has 5 legs if you call the tail a leg, but that does not make the tail a leg."
BUT that flag represented the confederacy, just because some didn't go along with it, does not change it's meaning. It absolutely is a symbol whose time has come for elimination.
Eliminating it isn't really possible since it is a part of history that should not be forgotten, but remembered so the lessons are not lost, and also, racists will continue to use it no matter what, but reasonable dialogues can help change attitudes.
If the Confederate flag is who they are, perhaps the Revolutionary War Colonial flag is who we northern Yankees are? You can see the silliness in trying to call a defunct form of government "culture" or "who we are."
No matter how much a new generation tries to distort it, a nation's history is in a sense who they are, and there is much more to be learned from America's history of that time period than the needed lessons of the slave trade.
Check out the history of one Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Civil War Colonel and the first KKK leader. The reality is that the Confederacy has been alive and quite well hidden beneath a platitude of "culture." It's only out in the open in 2015.
The majority of them did feel that way. That's why they fought a war against the United States, to preserve white dominance and the profitable trade in African slaves.
NBF was a democrat:
Many in the south/north (America) are republicans for good reason.
It's not about, who was Republican or Democrat, but what the flag and the Confederate States Of America stood for and stand for
RTalloni...Nathan Bedford Forrest didn't enlist in the Confederate Army as a Democrat, did he? You contradict yourself as all pro-Confederacy men do. The south was the domain of Democrats and hated Lincoln, a Republican. Now, they are Republican?
My interest is in reviewing all perspectives with facts so dots can be connected accurately on issues that are warped by emotion and naiveté. For instance, not all forced into a war agree with it and the reasons are vital to clarity on linked issues.
Here's a link to an article that shows the southern argument for justifying slavery
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