Execute Paedophile Killers.

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   worried manposted 14 years ago

   Seriously?

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      lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes

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         lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         waiting or are you still pondering judgmental person

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            lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            let's go I am furious

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               lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I figured as much - don't talk shit when you can't back it up - but please do continue to judge people and demean then, it's very becoming, coward

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   drej2522posted 14 years ago

   lyric, are you talking to yourself?

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      lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      guess so when a coward wont respond. Im pissed

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         cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         well that's one way to silence a troll - call 'em out.
         
         my MO is to ignore them, which also works.
         
         i have no respect for people who can't tell me to my face (even virtual face) as themselves, not hiding behind a 27-hour-old account) that they hate my guts.
         
         don't let them throw off your chi. they're not worth it

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   shazwellynposted 14 years ago

   ummmmmmmm?

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   Denno66posted 14 years ago

   Yep. Friendly thread.

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   caravalhophotoposted 14 years ago

   sorry...I'm done, going to work now

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   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

   We need a prison colony.

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   shazwellynposted 14 years ago

   Its not up to me to judge anyone.  Death is death and I couldnt live with myself if I condemned anyone to death x

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      sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thats why sweet people get taken advantage of, let the ones with the fortitude handle that job. Understand it's not easy on them either.

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   Denno66posted 14 years ago

   There is no easy fix to this problem, period.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   Any sexual act against a child is deplorable. So is the psychology of some who have posted here.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well, we can't all be as manly as you.

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      shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes it isnt the sexual act that is as abusive as the system's abuse to the victims.
      
      Check my hub to see what I mean.. Sexual abuse, the account of a victim and how society made the affect worse than the crime.

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    bojanglesk8posted 14 years ago

    I think death is too harsh for just a pedophile.

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Do you have kids?

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          drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I never understood using personal feelings as an argument. That's the problem with the religious threads, political threads, and social issues. Whenever people provide feeling and emotion as evidence, then the debate is over because then it has become completely biased.
          
          Yes, if you have children, then of course your perspective on children will change. Yes, if you are raped or have a member of your family who is raped, then of course you are going to have deep rooted feelings about rapists and abusers. Asking someone if they have children should not be the issue. If you have a legitimate argument for why pedophiles should get the gas chamber then use that.
          
          Otherwise, the people involved in the ‘debate’ are just running around in circles!

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             sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             If and when you form an opinion on an issue what is it based on? You're not the guy gets massages in his cereal are you? Do you have children?

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                drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                scroll up and read the posts between Colebabie and myself...I explain exactly what my MESSAGE (not massages, that would be a different word) is...

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                   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Do you want them to get more chances? Mine is grown, it's yours who will face the demon.

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                      drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      I didn't voice my opinion...Personally, I think they are scum, lowlifes, worthless, nothing. But I'm not going to use my opinions, and that's what those insults are, to justify killing someone. Give me valid reasons, not opinions, that's all I was saying.

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                         Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         You are much more reasonable than most here.  This is a scary thread.

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                            sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Your liberal is showing again.

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                               Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Oh, no, no.  Common sense and strict adherence to the US Constitution and Bill of Rights here.
                               
                               Like Mr. Montgomery might say, "there ain't nothin' some bullets won't take care of."

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                         sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Not much hope of fixing them and the damage done to the victems life is not reversible. They can't be fixed and they have ruined a life and will do it again. The paedophiles life isn't worth living among us. Not every decision is going to be neat and clean. If you don't have the nerve to say enough is enough then don't make those who are tasked with the job carry the guilt.

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             shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You are right.  When emotions get in the way it can skew perspective x

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       Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "'Just' a pedophile"?! When did they let you out?

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    Colebabieposted 14 years ago

    Its really hard not to make it personal dre

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       drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sure it is...life is hard, Cole.

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          Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, sometimes it is. So much of what I have experienced has shaped my ideas and beliefs. But I understand your opinion regarding use as an argument.

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             drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I agree with you...I think that's what makes you, you...your experiences and beliefs. And yes, it's a fine line between that distinction and just your opinion.
             
             But when you pose a question like, do you have children? Then you are attacking my personal experiences (or lack of it) because 'you' the parent have all those feelings of anger and anxiety. And I don't feel it's a valid argument. I know what a pedophile is and I don't need a child in order for me to understand the severity of that crime.

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    Denno66posted 14 years ago

    This is just a low that is barely comprehensible, so it is difficult not to get angry about it.

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    drej2522posted 14 years ago

    Personally, I think pedophiles are scum, worthless, spineless. But I can't use my beliefs as an agrument...there's no merit, it's just an opinion.

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       shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ditto

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    Colebabieposted 14 years ago

    I understand what you're saying dre.
    
    I think in some cases though it is quite hard to understand where someone is coming from never having been in their shoes.
    
    So if someone doesn't want death for a pedophile but doesn't have children and has never known the feeling of wanting to kill someone who would cause them harm... its pretty hard to not take someone's experience into consideration.
    
    It isn't to offend you, or discredit your understanding. But I see what you mean. Because people discredit me because I'm young all the time.

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       drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well, it wasn't even an agrument used against me... Maybe I'm just venting out my frustrations!
       
       And I understand that it's not meant to offend  and I understand why they do it...but I disagree!

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    Massages in his cereal?
    WTF does that mean?

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm being bad. When the planets align during the first full moon if you eat alfa bits, the magnetic forces from the cosmic waves will spell words in your bowl. I have no idea how it works.

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       Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Mighty Mom!  You and Dee Dee look like sisters, .

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    G.L.A.posted 14 years ago

    Anyone who has even remotest sympathy for another person who harms a child in any way should not be allowed within miles of any children themselves..

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hear!Hear!

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       drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Sympathetic? You think I was being sympathetic? I just opposed the method at which he came to his conclusions. I didn't say I had any sympathy for the scumbags. I wasn't supporting the guy he was questioning. I was questioning his approach.
       
       Ahhhhhhhh! See, this is precisely why I don't like people! I was making a statement, saying that using personal feelings to support the death penalty is wrong. When you support a statement like "All pedophiles should be executed." you better come up with something better than..."Well, if it was your child, we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?" or "You don't even have children, how could you possibly imagine what is at stake?"
       
       that's what I was arguing! Again, I wasn't questioning sneakorocksolid's stance on the issue...who the hell cares about my opinion, really, I don't!...It was his approach. Are we clear here???

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          EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you for injecting a note of sanity into this er... debate.

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

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       drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ha, and then we have lyric

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          lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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       AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thank the gods for copy and paste

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          lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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             Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You need a few more "execute's." There are many more that were let go and went out and executed their crimes again on the innocent. Also, you don't have near enough "executes" for those that die each year at the hand of repeat offenders that were released from prison, but should have died for their crimes.

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    worried manposted 14 years ago

    I posted a reply some hours ago that assailed this hubbers character.My remarks were out of line as well as irrelevent to the topic at hand.I apologize to this individual.While I disagree with his comments I would be the first to take up arms to defend his right to express it.In no way do I defend child molesters or child murderers.I simply don't think any government has the right to put anyone to death.Sometimes it is nessesary to kill to preserve life.Certain civil and military emergencies nessitate killing.I don't trust any government with the power of life and death.I've seen them make too many mistakes.By the way,if it were one of my children then I would be too personally affected to make a humane or rational decision.But I'm not a government.

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       lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       what if it was your 3 year old son?

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    Miss Belgraviaposted 14 years ago

    As has been pointed out repeatedly here, if you give pedophiles the death penalty, they will KILL THE CHILDREN! The same applies to rapists. While it sounds great while you sit there in front of your computer, deciding what would make you feel good, the reality is that if a person knows they could face the death penalty for child molestation or rape, it gives them more incentive to kill the witness. And as has also been pointed out here repeatedly, people are often accused of things they did not do. As a lawyer, I can tell you that the criminal justice system is deeply flawed. Yes, in those unrealistic circumstances where you absolutely know that the person is guilty, it would be great to revert to the Middle Ages and torture these subhumans to death. But in this imperfect world in which we live, segregating these people from society is the best we can hope for. And yes, I have a child. And yes, I would want to kill anyone who hurt her. But since we live in a supposedly civilized society, I have given retribution over to the State, and do not have that luxury.

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       lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       how has this been pointed out repeatedly when there's been no examples yet - is there a death penalty for pedophiles yet?  Or rapists?  Your not making sense.  I say burn the perv's - bet you'd feel different if it was your 3 year old son raped and abused.

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          Miss Belgraviaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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             Miss Belgraviaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             The death penalty for pedophiles and rapists has been proposed many times by many states, and always has been voted down because of the obvious consequences. I'm making plenty of sense. And no, I wouldn't feel any differently if my daughter had been raped or abused. I would rather she was alive. What's your point? Do you just feel that revenge is worth any price? By "pointed out repeatedly," I mean read this thread. Many other people have said the same thing I'm saying. But then everything degenerates again to this juvenile level. You keep talking about this mythical three year old. What actual experience do you have with this issue? I've worked with juvenile offenders, many of whom suffered extreme abuse as children. I've been a parent, I've done years of volunteer work with abused women and children, and have a degree in psychology in addition to my law degree. Yes, I've run across many people I would like to have taken a shotgun to, but I live in the real world, not some fantasy world where we can know with certainty who is innocent and who is guilty, and take our revenge whenever and however we like. Attack me personally if it makes you feel good, but you're the one who isn't making any sense.

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                Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                In 1976 the Supreme Court struck down the death penalty in rape cases where the victim did not die as a violation of the 8th amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. So, at one level, the discussion is moot.
                
                However, I believe it should be revived. Today, we have many more safeguards to guarantee that we do not put to death an innocent person. The cases that I'm talking about are open and shut, where we are beyond "reasonable doubt."  I see your point that the perp might kill the child if his action is a capital offense. But what I think you are missing is that there would be a precipitous decline in the number of such offenses if the perp knew that he would almost certainly die if caught.
                
                The question that you need to ask yourself is "under which system are children more likely to be protected"? I'd rather have my children under a system where the perp knows that it is highly likely that he will die if caught as opposed to the system we have now.
                
                Certainly as an attorney you know that the prison system doesn't work either. Many of those abusers are going back out on the street to offend again. That is what you should find unacceptable, not the putting to death the offenders of such crimes.

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                   Miss Belgraviaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   It isn't an either/or proposition to be against the death penalty for pedophiles and also to find it unacceptable that pedophiles are released back into society. I don't see how you could have concluded from my comments that I think it's fine for pedophiles to be among us.
                   
                   I'm well aware that the prison system doesn't work, except to keep people segregated from society for a period of time. But as for any safeguards to ensure that innocent people don't end up there, I suggest you go to the website for the Innocence Project and read some of the cases there. Unfortunately, our legal system is composed of people, with all their faults, their agendas, their prejudices, and their shortcomings. Go to WalMart and tell me if you would be comfortable having a random group of 12 people decide your guilt or innocence.
                   
                   I'll give you the best example I personally have regarding false accusations of sexual abuse. I represented a father whose seven-year-old daughter accused him of molesting her. I knew this guy hadn't done it. For three years, I defended him in family court (I stopped charging him after the first year), where he was denied visitation with his daughter, subjected to forced therapy sessions for pedophiles, and threatened with the matter being referred for criminal prosecution. In the end, the daughter admitted that her mother had told her to accuse her father, had shown her porno films so she would know what all the words meant, and had been threatened and bribed to keep the lies going. So, who's the pedophile here? I think the mom should have ended up in jail, but it could easily have gone the other way. Any family lawyer can tell you similar stories, and I have no doubt that there are many innocent people in prison for pedophilia.
                   
                   In one post on this thread, someone said she would never be falsely accused of pedophilia because she didn't live that kind of lifestyle. I am still puzzled as to what that meant. Pedophiles come from every strata of society, and aren't guys lurking in raincoats in dark alleys. The vast majority of children are abused by people they know.
                   
                   When I was a child, I was abused on two different occasions, by a male teenage babysitter when I was 6 years old and by an uncle when I was 10. I was determined my daughter would never have any such experience, and she never did. I did not leave her alone with people I didn't know and absolutely trust, I made sure to be active at her school and with her extra-curricular activities, and I knew where she was and who she was with at all times. It is up to parents to protect their children, not our legal system. There is no mythical "system" where children will be absolutely protected.
                   
                   And no, I'm not saying that pedophilia is always the result of a parent's neglect. Pedophiles know how to make people trust them, and gravitate to jobs where there are lots of children available to them. Trusted teachers, coaches, Boy Scout leaders, clergy members -- we've all heard the stories of people in those positions abusing children for years without detection. Despite all my precautions, I know there was also a large element of luck in my daughter growing up unscathed.
                   
                   The best thing parents can do to prevent their children from becoming victims is to educate their children in an age-appropriate way, empower them to say "no" to adults when appropriate, and keep an open door for communication. Children blame themselves when something bad happens to them, and often don't tell their parents about incidents because they are afraid they won't be believed or will get in trouble. They need to know that they can always talk to you about anything.
                   
                   The legal system is designed to punish criminals, not protect potential victims before the fact. No matter what kind of system we have, it is not going to do anything to prevent pedophilia, other than to segregate the criminals so they cannot do it again. I would like to see longer prison sentences for pedophiles, closer monitoring of them upon release, and swift justice if they reoffend. But the death penalty isn't the answer.

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                      EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Brilliant post.  Well said.

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       rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I think that the notion of a pedophile killing the witness to his crime is a solid topic of discussion.  The pedophile may feel an obligation to kill their victim for fear of reprisal and this could be argued is a good reason not to execute them.  After all the victim is the one most hurt and any hint of harm to the pedophile could result in the murder to avert punishment.
       
       But I think that there is already an element of that in play without the death penalty.  Many times after a pedophile has been convicted and served his term you find that a fear of being returned to prison motivates the pedophile to kill the victim anyway.  There are some of course that wish to be caught and imprisoned at a subconcious level but the gist of what I hear being offered is to just eliminate the pedophile from the gene pool.  This opinion has a familiar ring to it and one that harkens nazism and fascism.  Dangerous talk in a free society.

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          C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          All good points, however our best and brightest in the "phsyc" community keep telling us these people are completely broken and un-fixable...what to do? Tougher laws? Hasn't seemed to work. Even Amnesty International and the Center for Missing and Exploited Children are upset with so many of the misguided laws. Laws that have branded young people as "sex offenders" for behaving like...well young people. Its bad. We have people who may have made a HUGE error in judgement as a teen ager/young adult living under bridges in florida and georgia and hard core pedophiles living the life of riley with a sex slave in the back yard in california....its insanity!

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    barryrutherfordposted 14 years ago

    Miss Belgravia In my view you have made probably the wisest post yet on the issue.  Probably because you are have broad experience of the Criminal Justice System.  There are a wide range of views on this Forum.  The Court system tries to be consistent with penalties so that people appearing before the courts get a similar penalty for a similar set of facts.  However the Criminal Justice System is a human system and prone to the foible of human mistakes.  That is why I for one advocate against the death penalty for all offences. If an mistake is made it can not be corrected.  I have written a couple of hubs on the issue.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree, this was a good post.

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    janni321posted 14 years ago

    I think the execution of child rapist and killers is not the solution. It is an ill state of mind which force somebody to rape and then kill the child and there mental condition is completely different from those who rape&kill adult men and women. I see many child rapist and killers the most famous is Javed Iqbal the killer of nearly 100 children(He raped most of them) and study their life histories just for my interest and found that they are complete psychos and have no control over what horrible they are doing. You cant deny the society contribution too

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    IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago

    Whose going to foot the bill for these executions?  Since do we humans have the right to execute people with tax paid executions?

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