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   christopherchanceposted 14 years ago

   During the years I spent behind bars in foreign prisons I met many child sex killers. They were all without remorse except for their own self-pity. Some, not all are mentioned in my books.
   I am not a psychologist, nor am I qualified in any �shrink� capacity, but having met these awful men and being a father myself, my conclusions are that they should be put to death immediately after being proven guilty.
   I understand people who think execution is the easy way out for the child sex killer, but we need to consider the loved ones of the victim and the mental anguish they endure daily as they think about what goes on behind bars.
   I will now tell you about things the media seems not to want to reveal or besmirch their pages with.
   Nonce (paedophiles) lifers accept their sentences more easily than other prisoners. The life sentence is assimilated and made more acceptable mentally because they are frightened of the consequences of being released back into a hostile society. This fear is a buffer and helps them to endure their long sentence.
   Their lifestyle in prison is much better than, let�s say, a homeless individual who lives rough on the streets of London. They have many home comforts like television and radio, and at least three good meals a day. They have a comfortable room which they can arrange to their liking and they furnish it with familiar items from visiting relatives.
   The unpalatable vision for the victim�s loved ones are the homosexual partnerships they form with their ilk. Child sex killers performing anal sex and oral sex with each other whilst visualising their bestial acts on the children they killed to achieve sexual gratification.
   How would you feel if you had recently buried the sad remains of your child after he or she had been mutilated and slaughtered by a nonce that is now living his life in surroundings they accept and enjoy? I know how I would feel.
   I have had to endure the company of these evil men because in foreign prisons they are not segregated like they are in the UK. I have witnessed them enjoying themselves and making the best of their lot in prison. They have wanted to talk to me because I am different, I am an Englishman and they have never met an Englishman before. I have looked into their evil eyes and I am proud to say that I have blackened a few of them. I have beaten some of them to within an inch of their lives and for the life of me; I couldn�t find any remorse, even though they have never harmed my children. So how must a victim�s loved ones feel?
   If you are a prison psychologist you probably disagree with me because if they started executing these creatures, you wouldn�t have so many nutters to play with. Also, you may like to remember this: they do not say the things to you what they say to the likes of me. They will never reveal to you what makes them tick, but I know� the relentless pursuit of brutal, ripping, child sex makes them tick, and if ever they get out of prison they will strike again.
   If you read my prison writing you will discover that I am in no way politically correct, but I do know what is right when it comes to child sex killers: put them to death so the victim�s family can get some closure and grieve without visualising masturbating and humping nonce queers behind prison walls.
   It is my opinion that nonces are not frightened of the consequences of getting caught. It is time to change that lack of fear and I say, �Put them to death.�

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      cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      There have been societies through out history where child sex was perfectly acceptable.The Romans kept children on leashes and called them mi-noes.They shared these children at partys and orgies.
      That being said here's what I think.Child murderers should be put in the Electric chair with the voltage turned down low so it takes weeks to fry them...

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         fishtiger58posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well said.

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      it is hard to think of these people still breathing, still living and even finding enjoyment in life when they so brutally torture, assault and finally kill their victims and toss them away like a used Kleenex.
      
      snuffing out an innocent, helpless life and for what? their own depraved gratification.
      
      the penalties for child rape (PROVEN, not assumed, to satisfy the 'faulty testimony' crowd) should be a lot stronger than they are. we call these men "sick" when they are just plain evil. when we say they are 'sick' it's saying they suffer from some malady over which they have no control.
      
      BS.
      
      they make the choice to go hunt down their victims.
      
      they make the choice to plan how best to spirit them away or coerce them or whatever they need to do to get them alone, and then to continue the abuse.
      
      i have no empathy for them.
      
      it sickens me greatly to think that these people receive what amounts to a slap on the wrist. if you sympathize with them, imagine the reality....some big hairy smelly perverted slug overpowering, terrorizing and forcing inexplicable, incomperhensible ugliness, pain and shame upon a tiny, helpless child. that ought to enlighten you a bit.

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      Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Certainly those predators should be killed for killing a child, but any man that sexually abuses a child should be put to death for it.

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Even in those countries which conduct trials without simple forensic evidence? There are still countries where a judge, and no jury, can decide that you are guilty just by not liking the look of you. In my opinion it is DNA evidence = Death. Anything other than DNA or video evidence of child abuse is unproven.

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      rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why stop there?  How about drug dealers that take the youth away from so many by selling them their poison?  What about the casino owners in Vegas that feed peoples gambling addictions that tear apart families and enslave their children in poverty? Can we also put to death the alien migrant workers for their insistent law breaking invasions that make our youth lose out on the jobs the alien workers take?  I've got an even better one.  How about we execute leaders that take us into senseless wars for greed and conquest and leaving grieving widows and fatherless children in their wake to grow up without knowing the love of their parent?
      
      No my friend you can't pick and choose by your own morality who lives and dies from the crimes they commit.  That is why each case is prosecuted and dealt with on its' own merit.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Before you execute anyone make sure, very sure, they are absolutely guilty. There have been people accused of this crime that, years later after serving time, turned out to be innocent. There was a case where a child psychologist had actually tampered with a child's testimony to convict an innocent man. She had maniplulated the child into saying what was in fact not true because she was convinced of the man's guilt.
      
      

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         shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The death penalty makes us as bad as the perpertraitor.  You are right, no one can be sure of the truth - absolutes are rare!

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            cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            oh good grief.
            
            "the death penalty makes us as bad as the perpetrator".
            
            really?
            
            society administering justice to a depraved freak who kidnaps a tiny small child, uses her (or him) for his own twisted purposes against their will while they scream and cry in pain and terror for mommy or daddy until they finally die in a despicable fashion, their tiny defiled bodies thrown in a shallow grave or on the side of a mountain or a ditch somewhere is "as bad as them"?
            
            <---mad face

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   rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

   this would make a good hub topic and there are so many recently in the news. you have a good perspective in which to write.
   
   my feelings~ they are lowest of the low, once proven guilty, they don't deserve to live.

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      readytoescapeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I already wrote one, and I agree. Kill'em...all, they need to be completely removed from the planet.

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   caravalhophotoposted 14 years ago

   Put them in an old shed...nail their dick to a log...give them a very dull knife and start the shed on fire...if they get out...shoot them between the eyes!

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      caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oh...I believe this is a good way to deal with rapists also!

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         C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Lets get this woman a robe and gavel!

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            Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yikes! But, very inventive.....

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         storymagnet1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hmm...okay. So what do we do with mothers who ritually mutilate their male babies' foreskins? Slice off their clitoral hoods and labium, cook it with eggs, and force them to eat it?
         
         Your kind of thinking makes me sick. There is injustice everywhere that people are perfectly okay with. For example..foreskin is ugly..therefore we think it is okay to chop off part of a baby's penis. Is it okay to chop off their ears too?
         
         There are a lot of people in this world who deserve to have their genitals nailed to a shed that is on fire. People with mental illness (like child molestors) need to be helped or locked away from kids.

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         storymagnet1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I was molested by a 15 year old girl when I was 6. I don't want her shot or mutilated. I want her helped. People are always pro-torture and pro-murder when it's somebody they don't like. I would love to see some of these people like caraval get framed for child molestation.
         
         Let's then see how cruel they want the punishments.

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            caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Would never be framed for hurting a child...don't have that type of lifestyle.
            Being molested by your babysitter I'm sure is a very disturbing experience and sorry you went through it, at 15 she should of gotten some help if she was reported?  If she wasn't, chances are she is still doing it...I'm assuming of course your older now.

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      thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oh boy! did I have a laugh! The poor sods do not stand a chance with you!

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, I like the way you think!

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   TimTurnerposted 14 years ago

   Yes, let's also execute mentally challenged people since they are unpredictable and generally don't have a benefit to society.
   
   Let's execute black and hispanic males as soon as they get arrested the first time since their recurrence of crime and violent crime are 60%.
   
   Let's also execute Mormons since some of them marry underage girls.  Not most of them but since we won't know who will, just execute them all.
   
   Get real dude.  You can't execute mentally ill people just because of their crimes.

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      readytoescapeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "You can't execute mentally ill people just because of their crimes" ....?
      When you come up with a real reason repost

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         TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't know what country you live in but here in America, you can't.
         
         Hence, murderers go after the "mentally insane" tag because you can't get executed if you're "insane."
         
         Get a clue dude.

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            Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well, don't worry, Tim...you are right...they don't get killed here because of their label.  But from what I understand, they are "taken care of" in prison.  Look and jeffrey dahmer, as predicted, he didn't live long at the hands of his inmates now did he?  From what I understand the guards kind of disappear for a smoke at the time they "accidentally" release the sex offenders and child killers into the "yard".  So, don't worry, close your eys and take your nap because these bad boys are being taken care of so YOUR children won't be messed up by one of them.
            
            I want you to imagine one thing in your mind.....when you hear of a child who has been molested or killed, on TV.  And knowing that children are narcissistic...meaning they think everything is a result of what they do or have done....Imagine what that little girl or boy is thinking...have you EVER done that. Sat there, closed your eyes and just imagined in graphic detail what that little baby must have been thinking when the violation was occurring.  Imagine in your head that child saying "what did I do wrong."  Go ahead, imagine that...YOUR little girl with her curly little blonde hair screaming in her mind, "what did I do wrong, maybe if I hadn't of screamed at DAD yesterday, this bad man wouldn't be doing this to me."  Once you have done that, don't talk about the mentally ill and their crimes.  You rape anyone or murder anyone (especially a child AND INCLUDING the elderly)...that all goes out the window, baby.  We're playin' by a whole different ballgame.

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         ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The reason is that a high proportion are probably convicted without real evidence, many of these countries still do not use DNA evidence and rarely give common folk a fair trial. If it was your brother, or your father, being executed without a trial or real evidence (by Western standards) then you would not be calling for all peados *cough*... alledged peados.... to be executed. Innocent people die, even in developed countries. There are also many people who are guilty, but remorseful, and whom are successfully rehabilitated.
         
         I do agree with whoever just said that prison has become too easy though; for all criminals. No prisoners should have TVs, dvds, videos, football teams. They should get a mattress, standard prison uniform, a toilet and cheap nasty food. It would make them think twice about going back inside. I would bring back chain gangs and stuff too, make them earn their keep.

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      ComputerGuyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Really, that's the best you can come up with, clearly no children here.

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         TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Dude, I live in America where everyone has rights.  I don't know what country you live in but create your own communist rule somewhere else or live in China.  You'll be executed for stealing.

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            tony0724posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The Insanity defense is one of the most overused defenses by any offender. Nadal the KILLER at Fort Hood is already ramping that one up . Not to mention statistically 70% of all pedophiles will reoffend upon release. Not only have they molested , they have killed the spirit of a child who will never be the same after that offense .They are the most disgusting of all offenders ! And as a grandfather to be I think this planet is better off without them .

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            ComputerGuyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not debating any laws.  How would you feel if, when you were 13 years old a man over powered you and raped you, while you screamed for help no one came.  Maybe a couple of weeks or months go by before they catch him.  Then you learn he's done this to others, only they didn't get away with their life.  Would a prison sentence of 10 or 15 years be okay with you?

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               TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Haha  I can play "what if" with every bad scenario.  What if you were born in China where posting stuff like this would have you executed?
               
               Be glad you live in America, dude.  Be glad you're not a pedophile and move on.  Worry about the bigger problems in the world.

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                  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Execution has PROVEN NOT to deter criminals, folks.  Look it up.
                  
                  I agree!
                  
                  Putting them in jail for the rest of their life is good enough...

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                     TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Voice of reason, finally

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                        caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Why would I want my tax dollars to go to giving a person who just killed or raped yet another child a life...I would prefer my tax dollars go towards getting rid of the scum that walks our Earth.
                        
                        We really should just send this scum to Texas or Oklahoma...they take care of this crap.  Here in California, people are under the assumption that "lethel Injection" is cruel and unfair punishment...PLEASE! We just have to wait till the scum hits home to our higher ups rather than us everyday folks that crime happens daily.  Stop thinking about the scum that commited the act and start thinking about the child or woman or Elder that was just rapped,molested and killed.
                        
                        In other countries, spitting and graffitti gets you caned, stealing gets your hand cut off and death to all else...don't know if it is working there, but it would deter me.

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                           TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           But the weird thing is that it costs more tax dollars to execute people than life in prison.  I don't know why that is but it is.

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                              caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              The cost of executing isn't the question, I would prefer my tax dollars be spent on getting rid of the scum for good...not feeding, housing and paying court fees for them

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                                 TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ok, thats a fair response.  I am just against the death penalty no matter the crime.
                                 
                                 I understand your view point though.

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                              EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Could have something to do with the fact that in America they stay on Death Row for so long? 
                              
                              I don't agree with the death penalty either.  It degrades the people administering it and brings them down to the level of the people they're executing.  Not to mention the fact that innocent people are occasionally executed, and you can't very well bring them back from the dead.
                              
                              BTW: pedophile = correct US spelling; paedophile = correct UK spelling.

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                                 TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 My bad on the spelling.  Didn't consider he was from another country.
                                 
                                 That State of Illinois had to permanently suspend their executions because many innocent people were being executed and found "not guilty" with DNA evidence.

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                                 getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Agreed! Any taking of human life is barbaric!

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                                    caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I think the people administering the death peanalty applied for the job.  And it only seems barbaric until your child/sister/mother or grandmother is raped, molested or killed, then your mind...which is sane before the act on a family member, then all you want is revenge.
                                    
                                    I also am a big believer, turn the person over to the victims family and let them deal with it...maybe you have a spare room, that way I am not supporting the scum.

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      caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Wow...totally off base here...executing child killers and rapists has nothing to do with race or religion...
      
      Not sure what your point is...but really not seeing it!

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         storymagnet1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Bin laden is a muslim so let's execute all muslims. Aerial Sharon was Israeli so let's execute all Jews. Bush claimed to be a christian so let's execute all christians too.
         
         While we are at it, why don't we also execute anyone with a username that starts with caraval.

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            caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well that is a bright statement...again totally off track, no body...except of course a couple of idiots have brought up...muslims, mormons, jews, christians, whites, blacks,hispanics and even people who have the username caraval?  Just because they have a different race, religion, lesbian/gay, whatever else you want to throw in there does not make them or myself a paedophile, child rapist, child murderer or anything else.
            My thoughts about this subject have been made very clear...I was a victim of child molestation for a lot of years by a step-father who also molested my older brother and beat him so bad he was hospitalized and was removed from the home, we weren't so lucky, this man was always there...my mother of course was the biggest contributor to our demise by allowing him the opportuity to come back in the home everytime he was released from jail. He is know in Jail for murdering a child...I hope he rots there!
            I vowed to myself that no man or woman would touch my children and I vow the same when it comes to my grandchildren...I would gladly spend the rest of my life in Prison if anyone layed one hand on my child...I would get blood on my hands for that reason.
            Over the top...maybe, but if you lived my life, maybe you might have a bit of a clue how awful and sick these people are and how they need to be removed from society and I do mean permanetly, our Justice system is just to screwed up to keep them away from our "Innocent".
            If they feel I need to be executed for my vengence I would except my fate...hopefully I will never have to prove it, because that would mean MY child or grandchild was hurt. 
            Ellie Nessler spent her life in prison for killing the man who molested her Son...I didn't blame her 1 bit and believe she got screwed by the system...but she never regreted her deed, neither would I.
            So as you scrapping the bottom of that "stupid barrel" you might want to think before you make those idiotic statements...especially when you have no clue how the acts of these people have changed the lives of many.
            Oh...putting them in the shed...nailing their dicks to a log...giving them a very dull knife...starting the shed on fire...and shooting them between the eyes if they got out, I decided that when I was 13 years old...at 46, I wouldn't change a thing.

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      cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That Mormon idea aint bad dude...

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      EdwardO.posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Don't forget we gotta execute the whites since they are the most likely to be serial killers.

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         caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         We've already addressed all this crap, if you read the posts don't think you would of brought this up again...

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            EdwardO.posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Read a thread that calls for the execution of pedophiles instead of psychological therapy? You caught me.

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   ComputerGuyposted 14 years ago

   Anything sexual against anyone not willing that is proven.  Death, kill them.  Ever think we let to many things go by without too much of a punishment?  It wouldn't take sex offenders long to figure out, get caught, get dead.  It's the only way to straighten it out.
   
   Those who think I'm wrong, think about a victim for a minute.  First kiss, first love, a relationship is all going to suffer for their entire result because of their past.  No one has the right to do this to another person.  Kill those that think they do.

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      storymagnet1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      <snipped - no personal attacks in the Forums; please reread the Forum rules>

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   TimTurnerposted 14 years ago

   And let's also execute people who can't spell like the person that started this post because that is a pet peeve of mine. It's pedophile, not "paedophile."
   
   I mean, since we are on our opinions of who needs to be executed

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      christopherchanceposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am English... the word is 'paedophile', wake up! Read your Oxford dictionary.

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   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   Tim,
   
     Do you feel anything for the children/victims ofpedophiles? Maybe you have a thought for a better solution?
     And do you have any children, if it is ok to ask?

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      TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Our society is so backwards.  Everyone gives women a cool name for having sex wtih younger men.  We call them "cougars" and everyone thinks that is a cool name.  We here it on TV all the time.
      
      But a man who has sex with younger women is called a pedophile.
      
      No, I don't have children but I have nieces and nephews.  I also have adult relatives.  If someone murdered my adult relatives, I wouldn't want the death penalty.
      
      Most of the people who want to execute people are probably Christians, right?  Yet, they always forget about that one commandment.
      
      Execution has PROVEN NOT to deter criminals, folks.  Look it up.
      
      We live in America.  This will never be an acceptable practice.  Nothing you guys can do about it but live in China but you'll probably be executed for looking up the wrong stuff on the internet.

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         AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Have you ever heard " An eye for an eye" in the old testament pedophiles make me sick to my stomach and there extremities should be removed and they should never be allowed back into Society! My niece was molested and raped when she was nine and when we had seen him in court, I certainly did not act like a Christian! The thought of someone touching a child makes me sick and as for the "Cougar" the women is normally over 40 and the man is usually in his 20's to 30's cougars do not normally mess with Children! After this comment you left Tim it makes me wonder about you. With all of the nieces and nephews you have I am shocked that you would comment in this way.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe we should cut the hands off of thieves and horsewhip adulterers also?? You guys are coming from somewhere out of the dark ages. BTW, where were all those "cougars" when I was growing up? I guess Mrs. Robinson started it all with Dustin Hoffman.

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   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   He's on a mission apparently...he has made insulting posts on atleast 4 threads in a matter of a few minutes.

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      h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He did fly back in

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      TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How are my posts insulting?  You are apparently the minority on this issue since your own government doesn't adhere to it.
      
      You can't execute people for whatever reasons folks.  Most states have outlawed executions now.
      
      Wow, you guys must be right-wing Christians which is ok.  Just admit you are.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe, but he's correct. Nearly all civilized countries did away with capital punishment long ago. The U.S. is behind the parade. My home state, Michigan, made capital punishment illegal in 1847 for all crimes however, horrible. Now, more than 100 years later other states are following.

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         sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Not mine.

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   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   I have not heard of dead pedophiles reoffending. How can it be true the death penalty is ineffective?

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      TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL  You might need to get out the dictionary because I used the word "deter" not "reoffend."  Not trying to be mean but if you're gonna attack me with  my own words, you need to understand what I said first.
      
      Those words mean different things.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The problem with the death penalty is that it's not used properly.
      
      It is not effective and has been made ineffective, because of the manner in which it is used.
      
      Don't be fooled by Tim or his statements. Yes, he lives in America, but isn't old enough to encompass all what's entailed.
      
      He is looking it from one perspective and not all perspectives.
      
      How ever, taking a life isn't morally right, regardless of what they have done, by the Justice System in America is flawed and severely needs to be revamped before this can become a real issue.
      
      And, TIM? I'm not defending your position, so don't think I am, but I'm also not agreeing with those who are here, because I'm of the understanding that there is an underlying cause to many problems and I'm not willing to pass it off as what I've been TOLD, but rather on factual evidence that backs up underlying problems.
      
      So, with that said- I'm outta here. Later people, Thank you for the knowledge I've learned from your posts and I'll be on my way.
      
      Enjoy all.

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    ComputerGuyposted 14 years ago

    The death penalty is ineffective.  Stats prove it?
    
    You can come up with stats for anything, 85% of all people know that.

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       TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       LOL  good point.  Here is a link to a NYT article:  http://truthinjustice.org/922death.htm
       
       Most states that DO NOT have the death penalty have lower murder rates than the national average.
       
       Most states that DO HAVE the death penalty have higher murder rates than the national average.
       
       So, maybe if you do execute pedophiles, more will come out of the woodwork in the states that have the death penalty.  Never know!

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    TimTurnerposted 14 years ago

    Plus, most states don't have the budgets to do executions.  It's more expensive to execute than life in prison.  That's a weird fact too.

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    I can't fathom the lack of compassion for the victims of a pedophile.

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       TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I have more compassion for anyone being murdered, tortured, or abused in anyway.
       
       But you can't randomly execute people.  If you really want to live in a country like that, then America isn't for you I guess.
       
       But I don't believe in the death penalty in any case.

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       TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Should we execute people that beat and torture their dogs too?  I feel just as much compassion for them.

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    TimTurnerposted 14 years ago

    Also, children's testimony in court isn't used because children make up memories that they firmly believe really happened, especially with police interrogation.
    
    What if you simply hugged a young relative but they somehow thought it was more than hugging?  You get prosecuted over a child's story.  This has happened before too.  When the child gets older, they say their parents or police made them say the molestation happened.

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    Apparently the pedophiles have figured out the system...that they can rape children and not face a penalty strong enough to "deter" their behavior. Allowing it to remain that way is a sorry excuse to give the future victims. This makes me ill.

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       EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah but if the death penalty isn't a deterrent for murder, then it probably isn't going to be a deterrent for paedophilia either.

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          Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I look at the death penalty as being a way of getting that person off the street, but not as a wake up call to all others who might commit the same or similar crimes.  Because you are right.  It is not a deterrent and the reason it is not a deterrent is because the crime is/was apparently worth the punishment.  So be it....I guess.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If you do a little reading up on capital punishment, you'll find that the academic studies nearly all cast doubt on the deterrent effect of capital punishment. That leaves two reasons for punishing pedophiles--revenge (an eye for an eye) and incarcerating them to prevent them from repeating their offense which most of them are very likely to do.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Then the enlightened approach would be to alow them access to sociaty or pay for their incarceration thats awful generous with other peoples money.

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          Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I concur.
          
          Not to mention the very real chance of executing an innocent person.  See "The Life of David Gale."

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    mega1posted 14 years ago

    Hey, Stimp - I brought your latte.  Sorry I was late - been looking all over the forums for you.  I hope I brought the right thing - Decaf, extra eggnog, whipped cream with a sprinkle of nutmeg?  Drink it and calm down, bro!

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       Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       FINE! {slurp} {slurp}...and it's lava hot...thanks.

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          mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          glad you like it, I actually went back and read what people have been saying - and I have another opinion - Let's just make sure we PREVENT people who have these tendencies to molest, rape, pillage etc. from doing the deeds.  One way to do this is to keep your eyes and ears open - I have no idea who to report it to.  Also keep your eyes and ears open around your own kids, they'll let you know if someone's being weird if you keep the lines of communication open.  I think.  That is, most of the time, I HOPE!

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       Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Where were ya last night.  It was boring and quiet.

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          mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I took the day off from hubbing yesterday and spent some quality time making a fool of myself.  You don't wanna know. Suffice to say had a rather boring stupid time and I'm glad to be back - boredom be gone! Now for some quality word jousting!

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    Will Apseposted 14 years ago

    Something about this thread makes me very uneasy. Am I the only one?
    
    Its easy to hate child killers and feel superior to them on every level. Its easy to call for the worst punishments. Its like saying  gangrene is nasty. Or I am better than a cockroach.
    
    Its the need to to do it that worries me.

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       mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You're right - but I really think a lot of the focus on this issue comes from media (such as Fox News, but also almost all the other news programs) which look for sensational stuff to get everyone's attention.  I think even, that the people who bring up the subject may want attention for themselves.  I also think that people who are obsessed with such subjects often are wondering about their own urges, deep down urges, and looking to see what other people think about the wrongness of what they are feeling.  They sometimes get off on that.  I know that I, for instance, when forced to imagine the scenes of horrible molestations by the media or others trying to convince me about the death penalty feel violated in a way.  I am not all that sensitive, I just don't want these graphic images all the time,and I don't need to be reminded that there are bad people out there doing awful things.  Let's all lighten up on each other. Oh why, oh why, did I follow Stimp in here.  I'm going!

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       h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       My intensity is not a measure of feeling superior to anyone, but I would stop at nothing to save a child from this destruction. We must protect the young and vulnerable members of our society from predators.
         Am I the only one who feels this way?

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          cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          i feel superior to these creeps, but an ant is superior to them, even. at least an ant is industrious and hardworking and doesn't have "molest little girls/boys" on its To Do list.

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       egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No, you're not the only one.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Me, too. I'm with you Will.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 14 years ago

    The one real issue I see with making molestation and child rape a capitol offense is what it will do to the crime. If you hurt someone and know that if you're caught you will spend life in prison or the death penalty, then why not just kill the person and get rid of your accuser and potential witness, or even destroy the body and dispose of evidence. Now take a pedophile, which legally speaking may be a person who has never touched a kid, but that is in the details. Take this person who molests a child. Right now he may get a few years in prison or on probation depending on the state. Now that is a slap on the wrist, the offender knows it, and so does society. Now take his crime and give it the death penalty or life in prison, now this offender has every reason to just kill this child outright and dispose of the witness, and evidence. Why is it do you think that so often now when we hear about a kidnapping we usually assume the victim is dead, because most likely they are. When kidnapping, and murdering a child have similar if not equal sentences then it makes more sense to the kidnapper to just kill his victim, rather then keep them and risk them getting loose and testifying against them.
    
    This may not be pleasant to consider or think about but if you're going to advocate the death penalty for crimes like this you need to be realistic with yourself and weigh the total effect and outcome not only for the offender but for potential future victims. Now if we're serious about doing this then I say we start in the churches with all the priests and pastors that can't leave the choir boys alone. let's send a message that no one is exempt.

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       caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Don't care who the person is that hurt the child...priest, pastors, joe blow down the street...don't care...scum!
       
       Jaycee Dugard was kidapped in Tahoe and brought to Antioch, Ca, she lived for 18 years at the will of her kidnapper and his wife.  The scum even fathered her 2 children.  He had already been convicted of kidnapping and abuse to a child and was let back out on our streets.  The biggest question...Why was he released the 1st time?  He was ankle monitored, was visited by his parole officer, neighbors called the police in regards to the make-shift housing in his back yard...nobody followed through, even when his monitor showed out of range.
       
       Sandra Cantu...an 8 year old little girl who was raped, murdered and stuffed in a suitcase and thrown in a levy, by a woman with a 5 year old daughter no less.  This woman worked in a church as a teacher, her father is the Pastor at the church, yet she found some kind of joy hurting this precious child.  I hope she gets the death penalty, as I hope Jaycees kidnappers will also.
       
       I don't want these people walking our streets...no room in the prisons, then we need to get rid of them...
       
       Slaps on the wrist, ankle monitoring, regular check ups by the parole system does not work...period!
       
       P.S.  I am superior to this scum...they don't even deserve a place on the bottom of my shoe.

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          Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Why are you explaining all this to me I have said they need to be locked up ten times already, but unlike the fantasies some of you seem to be living I've also explained the reality of why they're not and what needs done to fix it. get over yourself and your own righteousness, and learn to read the whole thing before you mouth off with an ill informed retort. Go ahead and kill them all or do you have the balls to do it yourself and become a murderer too, or are you one of those big mouths who talks good but expects someone else to get their hands dirty. If you think they should die then cowboy up and start executing some local sex offenders like you say they deserve then we'll execute you too after we try you for murder and convict you, would that satisfy your moral superiority or will people like you not be happy until EVERYONE you deem unacceptable is gone? Where do you stop when the pedophiles are gone, and the murderers and rapist, do we switch over to the manslaughter people?
          
          Wanting someone killed and doing it yourself is no different. If you can't summon the strength to pull the trigger yourself then don't ask someone else to do it for you. Either way you are still a murderer.

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             caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Sorry Scott...wasn't mouthing off to you, just making my point in conjuction to your question...what about the Priests or Pastors...I have been a victim of these people and it is that reason I have a passion about getting them off the street...sorry if I offended you about my belief in the death penalty, I so agree with your work, but it doesn't always work even with the best intentions.  Some people are wired wrong and I don't believe they should be in society...if no room in the prisons, than do away with them...is it murder...no it's justice!  I guess I could apply for a job in the prison system, but since I don't want to be around the scum, chances are I wont...

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                Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Hey I agree with you, I'm just saying there are other issues needing addressed so we can keep these people locked up one way or the other. Killing someone is not what TV makes it out to be, whether its justified or not it carries a huge psychological burden that never goes away trust me on this. I am outraged at this growing epidemic too, but taking the easy way is not going to solve the issue at all, only delay it and shift it into other areas. The whole system needs overhauled much more then any healthcare bill or bank stimulus, but that would not be as profitable for some would it?

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    Scott.Lifeposted 14 years ago

    If you want to keep molesters, killers, and rapists off the streets, communities will have to start taking a more proactive role in drug abusers lives, in rehab, and education. Right now prisons are overflowing with drug offenders and mentally ill inmates who are being dumped into the system because there's literally no where else to put them. In my state it is a growing and recognized problem and is drawing alot of attention. Budget cuts mean that by the fall of 2010, 2800 inmates must be released from the state prisons. Those that have been chosen are drug offenders mostly, why because jailing them is addressing a symptom, not the problem. They break the law to support a habit, want them to stop then address the habit. This is not being achieved in jail, and more importantly that's not what jail is for. It's for punishing serious offenses not babysitting the ones the community would rather hide or turn a blind eye to, because it takes effort and compassion to return them to a right way of living.

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    ralwusposted 14 years ago

    Well said Scott. A few years ago we had one of those offenders here. On his release he abducted a young girl from the publics eye during the County Fair, molested her and cut off her head and disposed of it. The head has never been found. He is in prison awaiting his fate. Death sentence does not deter some.
    On another note, many Christians are against the death sentence, the Amish, Mennonites, and many others too along with myself after maturing and really examining the history of it all. After all, drawing and quartering an individual did not deter many victims either. Death will claim all in the end. We just need to spend our tax dollars on incarceration of offenders. That's my thoughts anyway. Peace.

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       Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It's just my suggestions based on personal experience. I spent a year in prison for threatening a man who stole money from me, and I got a bigger sentence then guys who beat their wives, abused their kids, and robbed convenient stores. Was it fair, hell no, but it was the way it was. I noticed that the place I was at was filled with drug offenders and all they did was talk about what they would do when they got out to score another hit. In that year I saw seventeen fellow kitchen workers get released and come right back again and again. Meanwhile a high profile sex offender in my area plead guilty to seven counts of rape and molestation, and he was given three years probation, why you ask? Because the state prison was overcrowded and the county jail did not have the security precautions to insure his safety. At one time this jail did have a segregation wing for cases just like these but due to overcrowding it has been turned into a general pop housing dorm. The county wants this man punished, and so does the state but they also know that if he is endangered or harmed while in custody they are the ones liable and will face lawsuits and prosecution. Welcome to America, we scream for justice then turn our backs when its time to do our fair share and blame the government for failure.
       
       There is no easy answer for this problem. If a person is a repeat offender and convicted by DNA or other conclusive evidence then he should be punished but how? We execute because it used to be a deterrent but not any more, its not even expedient today, it could take 20-30 years to execute an inmate. So what do you do, neuter them exile them? Nothing really seems top solve the issue. Except stopping the problem before it begins.

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    I think there is much truth to what you're saying, Scott. How does it get changed?

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       Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It changes when communities as a whole realize it is their responsibility to teach members of that community what is acceptable and not. We don't watch out for each other anymore or really even care when something happens, we just thank God it wasn't us or our kids. There was a time when a kid could play outside his house on the street and have a whole neighborhood watching him, now we are told to but out and mind our own business then blamed for negligence when things go wrong. We take our drug addicts and lock them up because they represent our failures as a society to address the issues at hand, hopelessness, denial, joblessness, disease, crime. Drugs and alcohol are ways to escape reality and a world that has lost meaning for the abuser. Instead of trying to fix what it is that they hate about themselves and life we just compound it, and watch them spiral out of control into self destruction and crime. Then when they finally start hurting other people then we take notice and get worried. In Short we just don't care like we should. We don't care about other people or their problems, we might say we do, and some may even be bothered by what they see on the news, but who really does anything about it anymore?

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          rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          you're right scott, and I enjoy reading your insight. this thread has a lot of passion because people feel so terrible about the OP issue, he's talking about paedophiles that murder their young victims. what is the answer? what does society do with these 'people'? I don't believe in the death penalty, and yet it seems at times, what is left to do in this situation?
          they don't deserve to live. to put them in extreme solitary confinement for the rest of their lives? castration? what?
          
          and it is society's problem. report suspicious behavior, have neighborhood watches. there are things that can be done with concerted effort from adults who still care enough to get involved. we're so quick to blame others, but there are things that we can do ourselves. contact your local sheriff's office to see if they have any special neighborhood programs where selected houses are 'safe' houses for children on the way to school. they have signs in the front window from the sheriff's office. complaining solves nothing unless we are willing to be proactive and do something.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 14 years ago

    You really want to change a person's behavior and help them be better then take the time to show them, not tell them, that they can be someone better and have some kind of worth in this world. Most of the criminals I know are who they are because they have spent a lifetime being told that, that's all they are and ever will be, and they've heard it so much and for so long they believe it. If you can get a loser to start believing in possibility and hope then maybe we could thin out the prison pops a little and make room for the people who have made the choice to be a killer or rapists and have decided on that permanent fate.

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       cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       oh boy
       
       my mother told me from the time i was born that i was unwanted, horrible, she hated me, i was useless, stupid, etc.
       
       when she wasn't beating the crap out of me, that is.
       
       oh and she never told me she loved me. not once. and when i was sick or hurt she never once comforted me.
       
       when i was five she called me a whore.
       
       she told me she tried to kill me when she was pregnant with me by pushing the family car, drinking to excess and smoking.
       
       and i emerged from that and learned right from wrong and have never once hurt any child or demeaned another human being or revisited any abuse on a helpless innocent.
       
       if i did it why can't they?
       
       these people make me sick. how you can sympathize with people who harm children is beyond my comprehension!

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          Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Check your facts Cosette, I don't sympathize with molesters or pedophiles, I'm discussing ways to reduce populations in order to keep these people behind bars by getting the drug offenders and small time losers some help to turn things around. You should read more in depth before shooting off your mouth and looking like an idiot.
          
          I'm glad you pulled through it, it shows tremendous strength and will, but not every one has your drive and determination. Some people need a hand up and to be shown the way in the beginning. Holding yourself up high while looking down at those who lack the strength to do what you have solves nothing but exemplifies the heart of the issue.

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          prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          oh you had a bad experiences growing up, you are a smart lady, you were able to cope and emerge productive out of it.
          People are different, they have different coping mechanism and level of tolerance of stress,
          
          but the solution isnt to kill them, if we will kill all of the people just like that, do you think the problem will stop, killing of people is not the solution, another phedophile will emerge again sometime in the future, the family and educational institution and a solid ground of values are needed, how to achieve that is a humongous task,
          
          it is not just a personal problem too, societal problem indeed,
          
          and I dont think death penalty is a solution at all, justice can be bought also, and because of DNA testing sometimes the true perpetrators are still free while other people have been judged to commit a crime...and paid for the crime they didnt commit, what kind of justice is that then....Death is not the answer,

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    Start a thread about what we can do as individuals. I know how to get off my butt and help a kid, but I don't have a clue how to help change this. Sorry if I offended or hijacked the thread.
    Thanks, Holly

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       Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I write Hubs all the time about making changes in the world, but the reality of the matter is people would rather, moan and complain, then do anything about it. It's easier to point fingers and start the blame game when the reality every American is responsible for what is going on in this country, including myself.
       
       Holly if you want to change then look at your own life first, make it the best you can, and be the best person you can, only when we fix ourselves are we any use to another. Want to show people a better way and lead them to change and success then let your own life be the example, then you will find that what you do carries more weight then what you say. I have started threads before on subjects like this but we as a community on Hubpages seem enamored with discussing the negatives of issues and descending into whine tantrums and name calling, not discussing positive answers and ways to come together.
       
       Do what you can in your own life to help make the world around you better. If all of us did that then we WOULD see things improve across this nation no matter what party we belong to.

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          h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I too have written what I believe and put it into actions - have for years. I know I have helped some, but I am not satisfied it is enough.
          Our locality has 20% unemployment, shootings daily, murders, etc I know how to reach out to a child, I can help a family have Christmas through our church, but how does one impact the segment of society we are discussing? See what I am saying?

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             Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             There are many local, regional and national organizations looking for volunteers, mentors, and counselors. I worked with a local outreach program counseling inmates and freed convicts on becoming law abiding citizens and working to overcome their beliefs about failure and value. Unemployment like now is horrible but only temporary. We worked to help these men and women find ways to improve their skill sets and education and make themselves more appealing to potential employers and businesses. Mostly though we pulled them out of AA, and NA and put them through a rigorous and honest program where they accepted responsibility for their addictions and the power to change it. Telling someone they are the victim of a disease and powerless to stop it is a set up for failure and excuses. People make choices for good or bad the only way to overcome the bad ones is to admit to making them first. Once we get a person to realize that their lives are reflections of their choices then we can start looking at why they are making those choices to begin with, what is the real motivation, and reason. I worked with this program for about a year, training others to take over. Now I am working for a degree and a doctorate and when I have them I will go back and use the experience to show some of these guys that their mistakes do not mean that they can not overcome, excel, or succeed.
             
             But I recognize that though I have had to rely on a lot of self resilience, I have never been alone in this, there have always been people that told me not to give up. Alot of times we are tempted to look back and think how strong we were and how far we've come, but we didn't do it alone there was someone that listened or gave us a chance or just a few words that spurred us on, whether we choose to see it or not.
             
             If you aren't comfortable working with inmates or former criminals then get involved with youth groups or troubled offender groups around the teenage level. Work with them before they go to jail and set them self back years. I wish more people would take a minute to ask a young man "what the hell are you doing?" maybe then I wouldn't have had to ask myself that and grown men every week. Some people have a way with the public and work directly with this group we are talking about. I have a history and experience with them and so they listen to me, but not everyone has and some people do more of a supporting role. Just ask around and you will no doubt find a place where you are needed, especially at this time of year. It only takes a moment to change a life, the question is will we spend that moment looking down at someone or giving them a hand up. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

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                h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry I had to leave the conversation - company was here.
                
                  Yes, I agree. We can get down to arguing or whatever. We can write and sound real nice. We can do fluffy stuff to feel better and reach one or two. But it won't change enough really - the problem is much greater than what is being thrown at it.
                
                  I think it is great you are on a plan and focused. You are putting alot behind what you believe and I think you will make a big difference in a way many can't. But it doesn't let me off the hook for me.
                
                  You hit it on the head - I am not comfortable working with inmates and criminals, but I need to do more than I have, too. We have had so much going on here with shootings and robberies, random violent crime. They even have an armed security guy at the Hobby Lobby. I get nervous just going to the grocery store. People get shot walking their dogs.
                
                  Your ideas are good - I have not really known how to get more involved without getting freaked. You gave some great ideas I will look into. We must help these people somehow.
                
                  Let's take the emotion and turn it into energy for a change that will make a difference.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    They cannot be allowed back among us or our children.

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    Frugal Fannyposted 14 years ago

    Personally, I feel that prison has become too cushy.  Isn't it intended to be punishment?  Shouldn't the people who commit crimes and go to prison have the rights revoked?  I mean, Karla Homolka who, with her partner Paul Bernardo, raped and killed 3 girls (one of which was her sister), was allowed to complete a university degree while still in prison.  The latter half of her sentence was completed in Joliette Prison, where the prisoners were allowed day-passes.
    
    I beleive that when you commit a crime, whatever it is, you should have that same thing done to you. I beleive that murderers, once they are proven beyond a doubt to be guilty, should be put to death.  Then maybe the prisons wouldn't be so full, and taxpayers wouldn't be so much out of pocket paying for them.

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with aspects of your post, although not the death bit as I am against the death penalty in any circumstance. Partly because I am an athiest, and thus do not believe in a place called hell. I suggest an alternative would be for all prisoners to have to earn their keep, doing menial work in return for their food and board; and their priviledges. Remember chain gangs? They could do that. 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week, that repays the monetary expense incurred by society.

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    Frugal Fannyposted 14 years ago

    Incidentally, pedophiles are not just men and they do not just prey on youg girls.  Also, cougars are women who date younger men, BUT the men they date are above the age of consent.  Those that look for sex partners below that age are pedophiles.

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       Dee Dee MonSherieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Excellent and very accurate points.  Men or women who prey upon children should be fully convicted with DNA or other undeniable methods, then executed immediately in the presence of the victims' parents or significant others.  The United States is about freedom and all children should be free to live without the fear of being ripped apart by narcississtic self-involved perverts who cry out "don't hurt me, please don't hurt me", when they are apprehended...The most prevalent reason the death penalty has been removed from other states in the USA is because of the danger of innocent people bing accidentally convicted.  This issue will be resolved in time and in any case, any DNA verified crime should be prosecuted to the full extent possible.

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    readytoescapeposted 14 years ago

    The following is excepted from my hub on the subject;
    
    "Firstly this one needs to get simple. Crimes of this nature, (kidnapping, abduction, rape, murder ect) against children should be a federal offense. The penalty should be death; period. As Ron White has said about the Texas execution laws, his “state is putting in an express lane.” No 20 year long waits on death row, no unlimited appeals, one trial, one speedy appeal and then off to lightning road. With the forensic and evidence gathering techniques of today this should be pretty straightforward. And if this is not a good enough deterrent, someone that commits this type of heinous act against the fabric of society does not deserve the privilege to be a part of it. The only acceptable exception to the penalty should be for disputed child custody.
    
    Also sexual predator and offender registration requirements need be tightened and strictly enforced. There are way too many of these offenders in society “missing”. Once a child is reported missing, during the search, these animals should not have the right of protection from search and seizure. Jessica Lunsford was not found and saved because Couey’s sister refused a law enforcement “request” to search the home in which he was registered and resided, the reason, they were there. Yes I know this seems harsh to the 18-year-old boy labeled as an offender because of his 16-year-old girlfriend, and I agree. One, I think this type of prosecution is stupid, two if the States must prosecute, those convicted should be in a different category than those stated above."

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    Tom Cornettposted 14 years ago

    The system loves money...not people...the root of the problem lies in the fact  that the system eats up tax dollars to keep snakes out of the crib.  More snakes = more cash.
    Judges, lawyers,cops,counselors,prison guards,builders,court employees,security systems,private and public services, on and on.
    It cost an average of $44,000 per year to house an inmate.
    The system will not only NOT fix the problem....the system actually promotes crime in many indirect ways.
    The old Roman Colosseum is now television...we watch torture, rape, murder and many other vile acts for entertainment.
    Note:  The criminal is usually has a starring role.
    Emotionally retarded people (there are millions)given certain circumstances will commit heinous acts to get attention or revenge.
    There are no excuses...for the criminal or the system.
    Punishment doesn't work.
    Death doesn't work.
    How do we fix it?
    Remove the politics and profit from combating crime.
    Force all prisons to be self supporting...(A giant hamster wheel hooked up to a generator and water pumps) plant gardens and raise livestock.
    Actually make a real effort to rehabilitate those people deemed possible to rehabilitate.
    Crimes against children can not be tolerated in any society. I would leave it to a jury of inmates....life or death.

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    Paedophiles always seem to re-offend. They get jailed, released a few years later and they are allowed to live in anonymity amongst us where they use every opportunity to re-offend. They are housed next to schools, playparks, near children. They are devious enough to befriend families and offer to babysit and we don't know who they are, we are not allowed to know thanks to the do-gooders who think they have "done the crime,served their time" and have the right to put their guilty past behind them and start again, while the rest of us have no idea until another child gets abused.
    This is the great danger with paedophiles, but short of locking them up for the rest of their natural life, I am at a loss to know what should be done with them.
    Child sex killers, on the other hand, are a completely different kettle of fish, and even without the hindsight of seeing how they act within a prison environment, I would have to agree with Christopher (the original poster in this thread) that the death pernalty is the only solution. They can never be free in society as they will reoffend, and if we are to lock up non-killing paedos for life, it stands to reason that it has to be the next step up for the killers.

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    drej2522posted 14 years ago

    yeah, I don't think too many people are happy with Tim at the moment.

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       AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I am questioning his character unfortunately something is feeling right at this moment.

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          drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I think, and I'm not justifying what he said, but I think he just doesn't believe in the death penalty. I don't know why he just didn't say that, and only that...

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             Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Why haven't others answered by saying they do and left it at that? Tim gave his opinion, and so has everyone else, sometimes by making statements without reading through the whole reply. I believe in the death penalty under certain circumstances but saying it should apply to a whole class of people without regard to the circumstances of their crime is a little overboard. For one thing a pedophile is not legally the same thing as a child molester or a child abuser. Most cases labeled under pedophile are concerning child porn here in the US. Additionally a huge proportion of registered sex offenders only crime was sleeping with the woman they later married before her 18th birthday. While I know that the intent of this thread was not cases like this but that's the problem in America we throw everything into one convenient group too often and innocent people suffer for it. Guilty parties should pay and harshly, but the FACT of the matter is execution does not stop or deter crimes in America any longer, we need to start exploring another option and soon. Saying because Tim does not support the death penalty makes him somehow a threat to his nieces and nephews is over the line and shameful.

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                drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I agree with you...you shouldn't generalize or 'lump' people into a certain category. And I also agree that not supporting the death penalty doesn't mean you support pedophiles. But, everything is based on perspective. Tim's comments, especially at the beginning, seemed a bit abrasive or harsh. And whenever you are perceived that way, specifically in a debate, people are going to take offense.

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             AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I don't understand either **sigh** I believe it is because all of us at one time or another get completely heaf of ourselves on a subject, I kow I have.

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    shazwellynposted 14 years ago

    I can not agree with the death penalty - I'm sorry. This is too extreme. I wrote a hub - Sexual abuse, the account of a victim and how society made the affect worse than the crime.  This is an account from the other extreme. 
    
    I have no answers here, but I do feel sure that death is not the way to go.

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    Make Moneyposted 14 years ago

    What Sentence Should Heroin Traffickers get?

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       pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Force them to go to a christian church for life...that should be adequate punishment.

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          tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          So, is this bigotry a recurring theme with you? Just wondering.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You've never been to one.

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    AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years ago

    This is part of a larger question -- is execution itself EVER justified.
    
    The United States is the only Western country that (still) has capital punishment, and of course not every American state even has that.
    
    Part of an answer to the question is one of whether you think it is ok for the state to execute ANYBODY, EVER, for ANY reason.
    
    For me, that question is related to a second question:
    
    Do you trust the state or federal government to get things right in general? I mean, for example, if you are against universal health care because you think the government will screw it up, why trust the courts and the government not to screw up justice?
    
    What's the difference? I don't see one. If you are against the government and/or the courts running things in general, you should be against capital punishment: because once you've killed someone, if you later find you screwed up, sorry ain't gonna cut it.

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    tony0724posted 14 years ago

    I would venture to guess most that are opposed to it here do not have children !

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       Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I have three.

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    thevoiceposted 14 years ago

    we start killing all people who cares about the lives left after all the killing . when is enogh killing enough killing in life. there is no easy answewr to people who commit such heinous crimes. Time to stop all the kiling strat looking for ways to give life

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    Take two or three Aleutian Islands make concrete cities then they can make of it what they want. They won't be able to leave and we can sleep at night.

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       thevoiceposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         great thoughts comes better ways to deal with crime criminals blood only draws blood

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    thevoiceposted 14 years ago

    I grew up on the streets I have seen all the evil world can give in all human life from children to women. Still killing would not stop there the smell of blood what people would want to kill more and more in all human life. what the killing starts it never stops . once blood is drawn there is no way back

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    Well once they learn we're serious about removing people from sociaty and leaving them on frozen piles of rock.

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       caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Great thought Sneako...we have Alcatraz and Pelican Island...Alcatraz is of course closed down...place is cold and falling apart...poor prisoners are cold, inhumane conditions...you know, they need to be treated with a warm place to sleep and 3 good meals, clothing...all the things people who participate morally in society want and unfortunetly go homeless trying to have...but you know, rape, molest or even kill a child and we as tax paying folk,we'll take care of the scum...we treat them better than we do people who just lost everything due to the economy...makes me sick.
       I guess "justice" in the way of execution is murder to some and I'm sure your idea falls back in the "inhumane living condition" catagory.  We can't win...makes no sense.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hear!Hear!

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          Dee Dee MonSherieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You make a great point, if we executed the really miserable consciousless human beings, we could use some of the prison facilities to house and care for homeless and insane street people, expecially during the winter...

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             Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             haha I know you are supposed to be Christmassy and all, but is this a serious opinion about the homeless?  Also, I don't think rape, as bad a crime as it is, is on the same par as the most egregious crimes out there.  Plus, this isn't all a matter of 'utility,' but what is correct in a just society.

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    pylos26posted 14 years ago

    Tim is right...its christians mainly that support murder.

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yea,thats right! So don't you ever forget it!

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       Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sorry you don't see the difference between
       
       1. A child rapist torturing and killing a 5-year old boy (and)
       2. Society putting to death that rapist.
       
       It's pretty sick that you can find any moral equivalency here. You can call it whatever you want, but when society puts to death a child rapist, it's not murder. If he deserves to die for it (and he does), then it's justice.

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          Dee Dee MonSherieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Very true, bravo!

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          caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you Bibowen...that is what I have been saying...It's Justice...!

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    christopherchanceposted 14 years ago

    Taking life is an emotive subject (as can be seen by these posts). However, several people have gone over the top a wee bit, but talking about 'going over the top', many lives are taken daily in Iraq and Afghanistan. If our leaders can sanction loss of life on such a grand scale (much of it innocent), then surely a child sex killer can bite the dust without so many qualms. The reasons for snuffing out child sex killers is the deterrent factor, (which many think doesn't work), and so that many families of victims can find closure.

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       Dee Dee MonSherieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Don't forget 100 per cent of abusers have been abused as children, only one eighth of those who have been abused would ever hurt another person.  If we were to rid society of abusers, the rate of abuse would go down drastically over a short period of time...

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    papafroggyposted 14 years ago

    i think the answer to ending this is you cut the offenders dick off or you give them to the family tied to a stick and let them do what they want to the sick piece of human refuse they get one or the other they shuold not be let out of jail to reoffend

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       ralwusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       There are women offenders also. What of them?

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          rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          This is a double standard society and that situation doesn't come up too often.  A lot of guys don't believe that to be too much of a problem let alone a crime.  I think if it is a problem it goes unreported a lot.

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    Leta Sposted 14 years ago

    This thread gets more disturbing as it goes.

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    viryaboposted 14 years ago

    Execution is never good enough! We are all gonna die one day anyway. If i had a choice (obviously i wont), i'll sever off the 'offending body tool' used in the act. Now, that is A deterrent if i may say so.

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       Will Apseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       How much sadism... er sorry, moral outrage can one forum thread contain?
       
       Apparently quite a lot.
       
       I'm surprised no one has used the moral justification for torture that was used in the Middle Ages in Europe ie a long drawn out torture was good for the one who suffered it as it drew him or her closer to God. They had the opportunity of a preview of Hell whilst still being able to beg for forgiveness (between turns of the rack, castration with red hot pincers, blinding, seeing their own entrails drawn from their bodies etc etc).

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          Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I am opposed to torture, but I do favor the death penalty. If society puts to death a child rapist/murderer, but does not torture him, they will be showing him more mercy than he showed his victim.

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          cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          yikes.
          
          i'm appalled that the inflictors of these barbaric ministrations could find it in themselves to do so.
          
          so, what, after a long day at the dungeon, did they go home to their wife who asked "how was work honey?" and did he answer "oh, you know, we had a couple of castrations today, and the boss spoke well of my eye-gouging techniques"
          
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       cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       how would that be a deterrent? it would just create an even more sadistic child killer.
       
       incarcerate child molesters for longer periods, and swiftly execute child killers, period. as much as i despise them, i don't think severing body parts, burning people alive or otherwise becoming like them is the answer. they're the lowlifes, not us.

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    ralwusposted 14 years ago

    Unless she is a teacher. LOL

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       rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Oh Yeah! LOL

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    Doyle Wheelerposted 14 years ago

    I could not agree more, children and women are being victimized at such an alarming rate in this country and around the world as make one wonder if our civilization is moving forward or backwards.

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    songsterposted 14 years ago

    i have seen the future and it is the past.

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    pgrundyposted 14 years ago

    Let's just kill everybody we don't like.

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    burn them slowly to death

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    worried manposted 14 years ago

    God help us.

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    worried manposted 14 years ago

    We're all impressed with your piety and sense of civic resposibility,you are obviously a pillar of society,a sterling character.However you admit that you're a convicted heroine dealer,in fact you seem to take pride in it.You also seem to derive pleasure from inflicting pain on other people which is the definition of a sadist.This makes me wonder if you should'nt still be in prison.I also wonder what kind of permenant damage you may have inflicted on society,how much of the heroine you sold ended up in childrens veins,if any of it was used to get child prostitutes addicted.I would suggest that you too are a predator of sorts and I found your article disturbing and repulsive.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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       cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       um, who are you talking to? or is that a hypothetical. i certainly don't know any heroin dealers...

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       lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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       caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Is this in response to CC who started the forum?
       
       That is sad if it is, a man has bared his life to us and to turn it around on him is just sad and really not acceptable by most of us on here.  We may go back and forth with our opinions, but it is never to hurt someone with throwing their pasts in their faces...it's to give an opinion about the question asked.
       
       If CC isn't who you are responding this to, then speak up...Lyrics isn't the only one who wants to know.

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    execution by skinning them alive

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