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The Herman Cain America's First Black President?

  1. lady_love158 profile image60
    lady_love158posted 5 years ago

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/ … traw-poll/

    Romney said FL is the state that picks presidents and Cain's impressive victory in FL sets him up as possibly the republican candidate to face Obama in 2012. I for one would love to see that contest! Vain the proven job creator against Obama the proven job destroyer. Vain the accomplished business man against Obama the back stabbing career politician that never had a real job! I wonder who blacks would vote for, the half black guy that brought his people double the national average unemployment, or the successful black guy with a record of job and wealth creation? For me it's a no brained! Cain 2012!

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Possible, I suppose, but not likely. Cain strikes me as an ignorant windbag. The Republicans don't have a good candidate.

    2. Mighty Mom profile image91
      Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't say it, you did.
      Sorry, LaLo.

    3. Quilligrapher profile image87
      Quilligrapherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think your opening sentence is misinformation.  According to your Washington Times piece, “On Saturday, Mr. Perry hosted a breakfast for more than a thousand delegates and delivered his last pre-poll sales pitch, telling the crowd that Florida was a state that “picks presidents.” Giving Mr. Romney credit reflects on attention to details.
      I think your third sentence is more misinformation.
      “When he became CEO in 1984, Cain did make immediate changes. He closed 20% of the company’s restaurants, and fired between 300 and 400 people.” (1)
      I think your fourth sentence is still more misinformation, this time on two points. “What is known is that sales did not improve dramatically under his stewardship: they fluctuated between $225 million and $275 million. While in 1987 Cain predicted the chain would soon boast over 1,000 restaurants and would compete with larger companies like Domino's, Pizza Hut, Little Caesar's, and Papa John's, by the time he left the company in 1996 the number had dwindled to just over 500.” Businessweek had this to say about Mr. Cain business accumen, "Cain says that as President, he would take the same uncompromising, sweat-the-details approach to reviving the economy and cutting federal spending. Yet it's not at all clear that Cain's efforts made that much of a difference in Godfather's fortunes."(1)

      In addition to several interim jobs in NYC while attending Columbia University, President Obama held other “real jobs” including 11 years as an associate and partner in the Chicago law firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, and as a part-time lecturer on constitutional law at the Universiy of Chicago Law School.  Finding the truth about the President’s job history is not hard if you make an effort. (2)

      Neither this article nor a similar report in the Los Angeles Times mentions Mr. Cain’s ethnicity, yet three times you mention President Obama and Mr. Cain are black.  I’m sure you have your reasons.

      In many populations centers in New York the state and local sales tax is 8.625%.  I can imagine the GOP reaction there when Mr. Cain brings up his 9% federal sales tax.

      Your enthusiasm for Mr. Cain’s victory may, however, need a reality check. According to the Washington Post, “Straw polls generally have little predictive value, as evidenced by the fact that longshot candidates keep winning them. Paul just won one in California; Santorum just won another in Pennsylvania. Even the higher-profile straw polls should be taken with a big grain of salt. Bachmann’s Ames Straw Poll win might have been her high point in the race.” (3)

      Nothing else in your post seems to relate to your news link.

      It is always a pleasure responding to your threads, Lady.  We both get to learn from my research. lol   

      (1) http://www.businessinsider.com/is-herma … all-2011-6
      (2) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … siness-am/
      (3)http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the … _blog.html

      1. Hollie Thomas profile image61
        Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I learn from them too, Quillographer smile

      2. lady_love158 profile image60
        lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The point is Cain won the straw poll in FL and as a result saw his server crash from the overwhelming influx of contributions. The point is Cain actually has a plan. Considering only Godfathers pizza and ignoring the rest of his career and focusing on the closure and layoffs rather than the fact that he actually made the company profitable is a blantant mischaracterization of his acomplishments and his success.
        Obama's employment history is absent of any major accomplishments. What did he do in these interim jobs? What cases did he work on as an associate partner? As a law lecturer what did he publish, 2 books, one of which he almost certaintly didn't write! He obviously knows nothing about economics or about creating jobs and instead of responding to the CBC with a plan he tells them to shut up get out of their slippers and put on their marching shoes! In fact, rabble rouser, agitator and community organizer is what Obama does best. Cain is head and shoulders above Obama as a qualified candidate for president!

        The reason I brought up the fact that Cain is black is obvious, since Obama took 98% of the black vote in the last election, a Cain candidacy would give blacks an alternative, and it silences the idiots on the left making the claims that the tea party is racist.

        1. Mighty Mom profile image91
          Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Cain won a very limited straw poll of 2,600 people.
          This victory means as much as Bachmann's winning of the Iowa straw poll.
          Which is to say, until the wind (and media attention) blow in a different direction, Cain is having his 15 minutes of fame.

          While successful executive experience is always welcome, the government is not a private business and cannot be run like one. Any former businessperson who comes in thinking s/he is gonna turn this ship around is in for a rude awakening. Congress. Aka, the board from HELL. smile

        2. Quilligrapher profile image87
          Quilligrapherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The real point is the points in your earlier post are mostly invalid and, as usual, you introduce new points that are also invalid. I’m willing to accept the possibility, without having any knowledge it happened, that the server Mr. Cain uses for his campaign web site crashed, but, I can not accept that you, and only you, know what caused the crash! To make such a statement without revealing your source reflects on your credibility. Furthermore, the next quarterly report of campaign contributions from the Federal Election Commission is not due until October. What’s your source for the “overwhelming influx of contributions?”
          If you honestly would like to know then why not do your own research! I already did most of this research for you and posted the link in my previous comment. You ask questions for which I already gave you the answers. (1) If you don’t conduct your own research, you base your conclusions on false assumptions, and you stuff your rhetoric with exaggeration and innuendo instead of real facts, then you are likely to end up with opinions no intelligent person can respect.   
          You are welcome to believe Mr. Cain is a unique and outstanding candidate, however, his own campaign web site said this about his speech before the P5 delegates in Florida: “Everything he told the audience had been said, in one way or another, by most of the leading Republican candidates.” (2) Please note this quote is from Mr. Cain’s own campaign web site.
          During the three years President Obama was employed as a community organizer by Developing Communities Project he “advocated  for asbestos removal, job training, and public-works services at this community organization on Chicago’s South Side.” (1) It becomes increasingly hard to believe a person is serious when they put “rabble rouser, agitator and community organizer” in the same sentence.
          If ignorance is bliss then belief in this statement is a trip to Nirvana! To suggest black voters cast their ballots in 2008 solely based on skin color is to ignore the tsunami of discontent that had swept over this country during the second 8 years of the Bush dynasty. President Obama’s 2008 success at the poles included the support of 44% of white voters who also yearned for less global isolation than under President G.W. Bush. President Obama’s election was the result of an unprecedented turnout by both black and young voters of all shades with additional support from 64% of Asian, and 68% of Latino Americans. (3)     
          ”Idiots” is a charged word that discourages readers from taking you seriously. Besides, I don’t believe the standard bearers of the Tea Party are racists. However, a token black GOP candidate does not conceal that they are wealthy and white and they care little about the plight of average, wage earning Americans.

          I apologize, Lady, if I sometimes harp on the importance of facts. I view consciously taking liberties with the truth as a threat to democracy and I care little about the political leanings of those that do.
          In the end, it is important that we can say “ve en paz, y’all” to each other and mean it.
          Ve en paz, y’all

          (1) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … siness-am/
          (2) http://www.hermancain.com/newsroom.
          (3) http://andrewgelman.com/2008/11/electio … -happened/

          1. John Holden profile image60
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this


      3. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this


    4. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Vain"?  Greudian slip?

  2. junko profile image79
    junkoposted 5 years ago

    That was just more Republican -Teaparty Hogwash And a shout out to Rubio or Cristy.

  3. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "He closed 20% of the company’s restaurants, and fired between 300 and 400 people.”

    Ha! He has just the same method for success as Romney!
    Smart in a business/bottom line sense.....

    Not too good for those losing jobs and joining the unemployment line.

  4. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Ohhhhh, shoulda known....heard a clip of elRushbo driving to get coffee...

    So, Cain is the "authentic" black candidate?........

    That a-hole takes bigotry to a whole new level.

    All this time making racist comments and jokes and now the Russssshhhhhh-Bag knows what it means to be a black man?

    He is incredible in his arrogance and gall.

    along with the whole rabid-righty crew. IMO

  5. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago


    The straw poll was a loud cry shouting, 'None of the Above'!

    It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Perhaps more plainly, it said, he's not a career politician.

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Gee that sounds racist! You don't think people voted for him because he had presented a common sense solution with his 999 plan?

      1. rebekahELLE profile image92
        rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's not at all racist.

        You're the one with the tread title.

        You don't understand Florida. The straw poll simply said, we're not interested in the above career politicians. We now have a corrupt businessman running our state and many who voted for him are sorry they did. Give us someone who makes sense. Cain will not get the bid.  One reason Cain won the straw poll is because he was accessible to delegates who were still undecided. Whether he can stay alive past the honeymoon period depends on his supporters and his ambition. He campaigned hard here in FL.

  6. kirstenblog profile image79
    kirstenblogposted 5 years ago

    This is one of those moments when I wish I could trust you LaLo. A decent presidential candidate from either party would be a miracle that might actually give hope for the future. Unfortunately I have read to many of your posts and find them biased, one sided, and completely blind to reality, which makes this potential hope as tangible as the tooth fairy.
    Sadly both parties are as corrupt as they can get, I don't see how either of them could actually get more corrupted. This has sadly led me to the gut feeling that nothing other then a total economic collapse will force these corporate puppets to stop lying and face the fact that worshipping greed is wrong and the reason for the economic woe's in the first place.

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Cain would be a good choice for you then.

      1. kirstenblog profile image79
        kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I honestly wouldn't give to monkeys if he is Rep or Dem or other, if he could actually do some darned good for the country. I might not have plans to ever return home but all my family are there and I worry about them. The problem is, I don't trust your posts as they are usually inflamtory, one sided, and blind to reality. I guess I will just have to wait and see, but I do wish my family would get the heck outa there. I don't think good hard working folks like my aunts and cousins and brothers (half on my dads side) are living in a country were being willing to work for your living will ensure a decent life, and that is the fault of both parties, as they are both puppets for the same masters. hmm

        But thanks for offering a shred of hope even if I can't trust it, still nice to hear something positive for a change. big_smile

  7. Reality Bytes profile image93
    Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago

    Whether or not if he has a chance to be elected, Herman Cain definitely is a positive influence on the political discussion.

    The People may just decide it is time to hire a person who has lived in the real world and not a parasitic lifelong politician.

    1. DIY Backlinks profile image60
      DIY Backlinksposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Black people would not vote for a Republican even if he is full blooded black.
      Obama gives out more goodies and will spend 10 trillion more dollars to help the unemployed stay unemployed and on government checks. Then he will talk about how that is helping them and everyone else while he tells them the whole mess is rich companies and ceo's fault. 

      Since Cain actually ran a company and understands how to create jobs and run a business, brain dead voters would vote for someone else with no real experience or someone who has never ran a business to get our economy on track. They would vote for someone who speaks well or looks good. After all that should be the deciding factor when electing someone to run a country right?