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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Remember the worth of souls is great in the eyes of God.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct and every soul is equally precious for him as they are all his extensions.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
You mean who has the worst concept? Both equally hateful!
After this, David subdued and humbled the Philistines by conquering Gath, their largest city. David also conquered the land of Moab. He made the people lie down on the ground in a row, and he measured them off in groups with a length of rope. He measured off two groups to be executed for every one group to be spared. The Moabites who were spared became David's servants and brought him tribute money. (2 Samuel 8:1-2 NLT)

Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The essence of both religions is superb but gets corrupted by people with little knowledge and big egoes.
  Look at the good and not the bad in them
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree one should look for the good in these tomes. I did so many years ago, and took what I needed then. I will not be fed either book as the word of god. many who wrote what I am showing here were insane. Obviously, provably crazy! to tell people that every word in these books are the inspired word of god is also crazy.
  The bible and Quoran I read were not to be taken literally like people do here.
  Like all information the tomes are informative about mental processes that took place a long time ago, and it is easy to see that many things were understood, but more were not.
  As for "living it" There is not even one human who obeys the mosaic law for example, and the Ten commandments if read in their entirety are again psychologically naive.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its is very difficult trying to explain the beyond and spiritual books have great depth and yes they cannot be taken literally or one will miss the point.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, and the conclusions that we arrive at are all different.
  Any book that you and I jointly read will produce an entirely unique form in each of our minds.
  If the book says it was a beautiful lake near the mountains, we each have a unique picture. We can educate ourselves to be able to share much of what is written, but it can never be the same. We are indeed unique!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  One will understand according to his consciousness level and penetrate its depth accordingly.Vedas talk of some 5,000 different consciousness levels amongst man ,cannot remember the figure properly.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeh! But the most common state is low awareness and stifled thinking.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Life is strange
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit, perhaps we seek what you may call "Godliness" and I may call something else, but love is an interesting concept when applied.
  I mean to say, if we understand that it is godly to kneel and speak as equals with your little loved ones, and nurture your mother and father, love and care for all the creatures and plants that we interact with, always stop and help those in need and honor life in these ways, I believe we are being hedonistic, selfish and correct!
  I fully understand that I do these things for myself.
  First we learn to love and respect ourself, then we have plenty of love inside, plenty to share. The sharing brings joy! I understand how love works, i live it daily!
  You give it,you get it back many times, and if you don't it matters not.
  love totally allows children to be heard, and heard as equals. This provides the real meaning of life, and the grounding of self awareness that is kind respectful of life and accurate, so it furthers the ability of the child to full consciousness with the capacity to consider enlarging it.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love is the ultimate weapon, I have had differences with Mark,Paraglider and you but love is what created the peace between us., and I like you guys now .Doesnt matter if we have a difference in our opinions as long as we don't abuse and threaten each other.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Well, not much of a show from the religionists, just gonna get more fundamental from here on.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
That is great Mohit!
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Good morning Mark
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good morning. Is it just me or are the religionists getting uglier than usual?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good morning gentlemen. I think they are getting more desperate by the day!
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
IDK, I don't watch them regularly. But some other people are getting all worked up on nothing
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
you disgust me!!! How dare you make an accusation like that!
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
One does not need a book to know that you are defending the indefensible!
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Shaul Steinposted 14 years ago
God hates these for sure.
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, a false witness who pours out lies, a person who sows discord among brothers, cheating, dishonest scales, bribery.

All of them are wrong doing or evil.
One would think you hate them too Mark.
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  Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  @ Mark:
  
  No answer Mark?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do.
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  Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps He hates what you hate.
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Shaul Steinposted 14 years ago
She did tell you her real name, twice.
I saw it and I remember it because it was unusual~never heard it before and she also told you her nick name. As well as the 3 users on HP.
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
If Abraham was dedicated enough to circumsize himself with a rock, there has to be a God who told him to do it. It pretty much seals the deal for me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Me too. People will do some pretty stupid things when they think they have an invisible deity speaking into their head. I agree with you - it is a sickness.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why not let the Rock of Jesus Christ circumcise your heart? Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, I already did that.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean Jesus, Lucifer's brother? Sorry, Onusonus, I've already stated more than enough about Mormonism.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you think he is the brother of the king of Babylon? I'm pretty sure they lived in mortality, hundreds of years apart.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It got back to me from Las Vegas, a Mormon reader referred to you and Carrie Bradshaw's dialogue ~~ looks like you're not considered a devout Mormon in their book...maybe we're making progress :-) You know orthodox Christianity would NEVER teach such a thing as to put Jesus as a brother of Lucifer. This is simply a well-known fact that Mormons teach such things. I can see that either you are like Peter, and deny your lord in times of trial, or you are truly finding the real God, who is Jesus Christ (Immanuel).
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Niether would the LDs church teach that Jesus is brothers with lucifer. People (Like you) just use that to sensationalize. LDS doctrine does not subscribe to traditional creedal trinitarianism. That is, the LDS do not believe the extra-biblical doctrines which surround many Christians' ideas about God, such as expressed by the Nicene Creed. Specifically, the LDS do not accept the proposition that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are "of one substance (homoousios) with the Father," as the Nicene Creed declares.
  
  Rather, LDS doctrine teaches that God the Father is physically and personally distinct from Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son. The Father is understood to be the literal father of His spirit children.
  
  LDS believe that Jesus Christ's role is central to our Heavenly Father's plan. Christ is unique in several respects from all other spirit children of God:
  Jesus was and is perfect
  Jesus is God (See John 1:1-2, Hebrews 1:6, 1 Nephi 11:16–26, D&C 76:13).
  Jesus is the Creator (See John 1:3, Hebrews 1:1–6, Mosiah 3:3, Helaman 14:12, Moses 2:1).
  Jesus obeyed the Father in all things (See 3 Nephi 11:11).
  Jesus was chosen and foreordained to be the Redeemer (See Isaiah 43:11, Mosiah 13:28–34, 3 Nephi 9:15, Moses 4:2).
  Jesus is the Mediator between God and humanity (See John 14:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 8:5, 2 Nephi 2:28, D&C 76:69).
  Jesus was "the Only Begotten"—only He, of all God's children, had a physical inheritance in His body from God the Father. All other mortals have two mortal parents, and Satan and his followers never receive physical bodies at all. (See John 1:14, John 3:16, John 14:3, Jacob 4:11, Alma 12:33–34).
  God the Father also had many other spirit children, created in His image and that of His Only Begotten. These children include all humans born on the earth. Some of God's children rebelled against Him, and contested the choice of Jesus as Savior. (See D&C 76:25–27). The leader of these children was Lucifer, or Satan. Those spirit children of God who followed Satan in his rebellion against Christ are sometimes referred to as "demons," or "devils."
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said, "the LDS do not believe the extra-biblical doctrines which surround many Christians' ideas about God." Do you not know that the Book of Mormon is extra-biblical? Nothing I've stated to you about orthodox Christianity is extra-biblical. I challenge you to prove your foundational doctrine using the Bible alone, for you will have much more respect from me or any orthodox Christian.
  
  You said, "the LDS do not accept the proposition that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are "of one substance (homoousios) with the Father." The Bible states that the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and she bagat the Son of God. He is called the Son of God, so, since the Holy Spirit conceived Him and God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit must be God. Do the math. Jesus is called Immanuel (God with us) and Everlasting Father in the Bible.
  
  You said, "His Only Begotten Son. The Father is understood to be the literal father of His spirit children." God has one Son, Himself in the flesh through His Spirit (God is Spirit); then you go on to say the Father has other spirit children, indicating He has wives or had wives in Heaven. This is not Biblical. If Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN, whether (in heaven, as Mormons teach) or on earth, that's what it means. The ONLY BORN.
  
  You then said, "God the Father also had many other spirit children, created in His image and that of His Only Begotten. These children include all humans born on the earth." If these children include all humans born on the earth, He would have several "begotten" children, for this is what "begotten" means ~ BORN.
  
  And, if you want to take it a step further, we are told to be "born of the Spirit", so if the Spirit is not God, we are then not to be "born of God". They are one in the same.
  
  You said, "LDS doctrine teaches that God the Father is physically and personally distinct from Jesus Christ." Then, you say "Jesus is God (See John 1:1-2, Hebrews 1:6)". Is that not contradicting yourself?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Carrie, you are twisting around what begotten means, if God created all of us then we are all begotten of him, but let's distinguish the fact that Jesus is the only begotten son of God IN THE FLESH.
  Thus Christ refered to him as your father in Heaven.And it is not contradictory to say that both the father and the son are God. as in Genisis it says let "US" create man.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Begotten means BORN, not created. Look it up. It's the Greek word monogenes (only: singlular and born: birth)
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So then you believe we should dismiss all scripture which states th be born of the spirit.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It certainly is a wonderful, beautiful, sickness, and tradition for that matter. I'm just glad it happened when I was a baby. I don't envy the job of that Moyle though, but it's better thaan using one of those knew electric deals. I heard some poor schmo got his man pride sizzled.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God." Considering you follow the Book of Mormon, I really don't have a clue what you believe that is actually Bible-based.
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Mark,
That's all good and well but lets cut to brass tacks here. I want your opinion; snip, or no snip.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mutilating yourself for religious reasons? Is that what you want my opinion on?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well now I wouldn't mutulate myself on the spaghetti monsters behalf, but I hear it's more sanitary. I've got this cousin who got a bad infection and....
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You hear it is more sanitary?
  
  Have you also heard that we are freeing the Afghan people and if you do as you are told you will live forever at the right hand of god?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do the Afghans have to do with wether or not you think people should be circumsized?
  Whats up with that?
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My guess is that Mark meant, "Don't believe everything you hear." He just used a terrible example that implied he thinks he knows the motives and intentions of everyone in our armed forces.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh right, because I used to be in the Army. I see.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Calling an individual such a name without even knowing them is disgusting, and has no place here. many do not ascribe to a behavior sanctioned by their tome.
That is a truly hateful, nasty thing to say.
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Ok, in keeping with the spirit of this thread, the common ground between muslams, Christians and Jews I think can go back to Abraham.

Lets ask video lost, he's Muslem right?
Do you guys keep to the Abrahamic covenant?

Do you nip the tip?

do you take the razor ride around happyville?
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GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years ago
Hmm, hit and run tactics, will run away when cornered...

boisterous, obnoxious and boastful...

thinks of himself superior yet very weak...

But deep inside empty and full of hatred...

low life...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do love it when Christians prove they do not follow their teachings. Thanks
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  GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why does a non-Christian have all the rights to freedom of speech, there are two kinds of Christians, the ones that walk the talk, while some talk the walk...
  
  Christians can be as meek and lame as a sheep but can be as feisty and ferocious lion when threatened... Christians didn't exists to be puppets and with no feelings.
  
  We have this Christian principle, Sow what you reap... if you sow brickbats expect fruits of slugs and attacks...
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
The Book of Mormon is certainly extra biblical but definately not unscriptoral unlike the Nicean creed, the Athenasian creed, the apostles creed, Etc.
You said that no orthadox christian would ever teach that Jesus is the brother of Satan, and niether do Mormons. We simply believe Christ's relationship with the father, whom he prayed to is a father son relationship. It can be difficult to wrap your brain around but I find it interesting that some of the earliest christians believed the same thing.

We do know that Christian orthodoxy before Nicaea was not the Trinitarian creeds now popular:

'Subordinationism', it is true, was pre-Nicean orthodoxy.
‘Subordinationism’ is a doctrine which means that Jesus and/or the Holy Ghost are ‘subordinate’ or ‘subject’ to God the Father. In subordinationism, Jesus must be a separate being from the Father, because you can’t be subject to yourself! This was the orthodox position before the Nicean council. Ideas that were once orthodox were later considered unacceptable after the councils altered and added to the doctrine.

Writers who are usually reckoned orthodox but who lived a century or two centuries before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy, such as Irenaeus and Tertullian and Novatian and Justin Martyr, held some views which would later, in the fourth century, have been branded heretical...Irenaeus and Tertullian both believed that God had not always been a Trinity but had at some point put forth the Son and the Spirit so as to be distinct from him. Tertullian, borrowing from Stoicism, believed that God was material (though only of a very refined material, a kind of thinking gas), so that his statement that Father, Son and Spirit were 'of one substance', beautifully orthodox though it sounds, was of a corporeality which would have profoundly shocked Origen, Athanasius and the Cappadocian theologians, had they known of it.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When God became a man, He did not cease to exist as the Almighty, omnipresent God (Spirit). Jesus was made a "little lower than the angels" for He was made a man. He is both Son of God and Son of Man in the person of Jesus Christ. He is the express image of God. This is why Jesus said the Father is in Him and He in the Father; that if we've seen Him, we've seen the Father. He is the only image of the Father, for the Father is Spirit. Likewise, as we do, He prayed to the Almighty Spirit as we do. We could not pray directly to the Father in the Old Testament because we were not righteous. It took His human, yet perfect, blood to be the atonement for our sins. Once this happened, we can now, as Man, come directly to Him when we are saved by that blood.
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
now you are taking literally the phrase "God is spirit" are we to say that god is only a spirit, or that he is only a fire, or that he is only light, or only life? no.Also, if God is a spirit and we have to worship him in spirit, do mortals have to leave our bodies to worship him?
Thus I believe that man is also spirit and is, like God, housed in a physical body. We were, after all, created in the "image" of God.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, our spirit worships Him in spirit and truth. God's Spirit dwells in us and seals us to Himself. While we have a spirit, breathed into us by God Himself upon creation, we do not become gods, rather one with Him as His sons and daughters when we are "born again" (of the Spirit) through our salvation experience ~ the indwelling of His Holy Spirit.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "is it not written Ye are Gods?"
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not in the way Mormons have indoctrinated this statement. For correct understanding, read this: http://www.eadshome.com/Psalm826.htm
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  John; 10;34
  Yes.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not in the way Mormons have indoctrinated this statement. For correct understanding, read this: http://www.eadshome.com/Psalm826.htm
  
  Isaiah 44:6; "I am the first and I am the last apart from me there is no God.”
  
  Isaiah 46:9; "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me."
  
  Isaiah 43:10; "Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
  
  Isaiah 45:21-22; "...there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other."
  
  The Bible says that Man was created from the dust of the earth and Woman from the rib of the first man. It does not state we were born in heaven then brought to earth ~ anywhere.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  that is the way we interpert it. you just like to think otherwise to oversimplify and astonish others into believing that we venerate ourselves. It is a deeper understanding that those who overcome with faith will inherit a crown of rightousness, and become joint heirs with Christ. But if we are to inherit all that the father has just what does he have? hence he deligates to man the Priesthood, the authority to act in his name.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, everyone who believes is a priest with Him. We do not graduate into priesthood, let alone gods. Because we are of Him and in Him, we walk in His authority, but it is always His authority, not ours.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i never said it was ours. the priesthood is deligated by the laying on of hands, otherwise your preaching has a form of Godliness but deny's the power thereof.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Within the earthly church, this is taught, but the Bible says all believers are priests with Him. 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No man can take this honor upon himself except he be called of God as was Aaron.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Within the earthly church, this is taught, but the Bible says all believers are priests with Him. 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"
  
  Romans 8:28-30 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
  
  Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
  
  Your religion is works-focused and yet works do not justify you, nor do they make you a priest. Any believer in Christ is justified by faith and is a priest with Him, by His authority, not by man's.
  
  I'm not going to continue to dispute your false doctrines. You chose to follow Mormonism, and you will live and die as a Mormon. I will live forever as a child of God through His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, the God of gods.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We believe in doing good works, this clearly is not applicable to the Mosaic law which Paul reffered to, that's why we can eat pork chops, shell fish, etc.. Christ and his apostles are consistant in showing that you must be an example of the believers. your actions speak louder than your pretended beliefs.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, He will know us by our (His) fruits found in Galatians 5:22.
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Psalm 82; God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the Gods. (well Look at that, it's plural)

I have said Ye are Gods and all of you are children of the most high. (Spiritually Begotten? wierd.)
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Exactly Judah's Daughter and Onusonus. Faith is dead without works as we see in James 2.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gal 5:6 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.”
  
  God is not concerned with the “profession of faith”, in that Mat 15: 8 states, “These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.”
  
  Mat 15:19 “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man." Did you notice that the washing of hands, which is included in the Law of Moses, does not matter any longer?
  
  Notice what comes out of the heart: the breaking of the 10 commandments; however, Jesus said it's not by fleshly keeping of the commandments that matters, but keeping them in our hearts as well! The ten commandments are summed up in two: Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and Love your neighbor as yourself; for in doing so you have fulfilled the whole LAW. The work of faith is love. Faith without the work of faith being love is dead. Check out 1 Cor 13 (entire chapter).
  
  Luke 16:16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.”
  
  John 1:17 “For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.”
  
  Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves; it's the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast."
  
  Galatians 5:14, 18, 22-23 “For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.” “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no Law.”
  
  Mormonism believes salvation comes after earning it through works; that is not what Orthodox Christianity believes, based on the Bible alone. When a person is saved, the evidence of their salvation is bearing the fruit of the Spirit. We don't get saved by performing certain acts or works, but rather allowing the Spirit to work through us because of our faith in Him. We are as saved at the profession of faith (evidenced by a changed heart) as we will be after a lifetime. Believers earn rewards for works that He does through us, and not for works done of ourselves.
  
  I have a full hub on this subject called "Will He Know You?", as there's so much to see!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes the same thing about grace that the earliest Christians believed. Modern Protestant ideas are different from earlier teachings, which is fine, but it doesn't make Mormon ideas "false" if we agree with how the earliest followers of Jesus saw the matter.
  
  One Evangelical Christian author wrote of his sudden discovery that his previous beliefs about salvation were very different from those held by the early Christians:
  
  If there's any single doctrine that we would expect to find the faithful associates of the apostles teaching, it's the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. After all, that is the cornerstone doctrine of the Reformation. In fact, we frequently say that persons who don't hold to this doctrine aren't really Christians…
  Our problem is that Augustine, Luther, and other Western theologians have convinced us that there's an irreconcilable conflict between salvation based on grace and salvation conditioned on works or obedience. They have used a fallacious form of argumentation known as the "false dilemma," by asserting that there are only two possibilities regarding salvation: it's either (1) a gift from God or (2) it's something we earn by our works.
  The early Christians [and the Latter-day Saints!] would have replied that a gift is no less a gift simply because it's conditioned on obedience....
  The early Christians believed that salvation is a gift from God but that God gives His gift to whomever He chooses. And He chooses to give it to those who love and obey him.
  
  The Latter-day Saints are pleased to be in the company of the earliest Christians. And, the LDS cannot be excluded as Christians because they have not embraced the modified doctrines adopted later.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does the lds church worship Jesus The Christ as The Messiah of The Eternal God All Mighty?
  Do they believe Messiah is the only mediator between God and man and that He is The Savior of all them that come to Him?
  
  Salvation is NOT...by faith alone....it is by grace alone, through faith and that not of ourselves.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, and yes we do.
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox?
  
  It might help to consider a different perspective. To those whose denominations are historically closest to the Early Church, all Protestants and LDS alike have adopted different, later, modified teachings.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed but I havn't read very much about Catholics or Eastern Orthadox so i wont make nay assumptions.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's only one church founded on the Rock of Jesus Christ. If the "Protestants" broke away from the Catholic church, it's because they went back to the original truths of the foundational ROCK of the Bible. To say Protestants adopted different, later, modified teachings is false. They got away from Catholicism's different, later, modified teachings. Why offend each other? If the seven churches in Revelation are all founded on the Rock of Jesus Christ, the Word of God, why do we slay one another with the "I'm older than you?". This needs to stop.
  
  Now, when it comes to Mormonism, they were founded in the 1800's and if you dig into their roots of their leaders and the Book of Mormon, they follow a completely different God and Jesus than we do: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/M
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And the LDS Church claims that the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Protestant Churches all modified or adopted later teachings not in keeping with the Gospel, and that it's the LDS Church that went back to or "restored" the "original truths" of the Gospel.
  
  I do think the whole back and forth about which denomination is closer to the Early Church needs to stop too, as it's only inevitable that when LDS and Protestants argue over that, some loudmouth, smartypants Catholic bookworm like me will be too tempted to chime in with, "Historically, liturgically, and theologically speaking, you're both wrong."
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  1000+ year differences in foundational doctrine is a bit more obvious ~ as I said, the Catholic and Protestant churches have the same gospel foundation. Mormons have a different gospel, intertwined with enough terminology, to appear to be of the light, but I will not believe it ~ no matter what. I won't become a Catholic either, but because of the gospel, I do not call Catholicism a false religion.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
Interesting if that is true, because they did not use to.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I find this preplexing, We didn't used to believe that Jesus is the Messiah? 1 Nephi 10;4 God will "raise up a Messiah , or in other words a savior of the world.
  5 And he also spake concerning the prophets, how great a number had testified of these things, concerning this messiah, of whom he had spoken, or in other words this savior of the world."
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  History tells it like it was.
  They have made some changes perhaps.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I thought, then I started digging into their roots and what they teach and practice. They do not serve the same God or Jesus we do, but have adopted terminology that would cause the Judeo-Christian to think maybe they're OK. Check out this link to the truth: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/M
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Diging up dirt isn't realy digging for truth, you're just looking for anything that you can find to satisfy your ego. Have you even read the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants or just as a foot note explained by AntiMormons?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why would I want to do that? The mere fact you think God conceived children in heaven and walked the earth as a man and obtained His godhood is enough for me to know you guys are on the wrong tree. Looks like Sanctus disappeared, as I thought she was going to continue on in "reasonings" with you.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So instead of actually learning about a religion before mischaracterizing, criticizing, and making false assumptions, you would rather hear the truth about, oh I don't know, Judaism from a NAZI. It's sort of like being a NAZI because you get to discriminate something you don't understand.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Joseph Smith had the Bible. That's all he needed. That's all any of the religions of the earth need. Jesus Christ was not a Mason, nor His disciples, nor were any of the fathers of faith members of the Masons. I would run from any church affiliated with the Freemasons and Masonic Temple/Logde!! Why don't you even question this foundation? Do you think Satan is so dumb to appear evil to the world? Evil is blamed on God, is it not? Satan is disguised as an angel of light! What does that mean to you?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He did have a Bible and faith, enough to pray to god, he saw a light, and in the midst of that light stood Jesus Christ even on the right hand of God, and they did in reality speak to him, and though he was hated and persicuted for it, yet it was true. The foundation of the Latter Day Saints is Jesus the Christ, the son of God, the only name by which men are saved in the kingdom of God. The Book of Mormon is the word of God, it is the stone cut out of the mountain without hands and it will roll forth untill the earth is filled with the lord's eternal message of salvation. We talk of christ, we preach of Christ, we prophecy of Christ, and we write according to his prophecies, so our children will know where to turn for a remission of their sins.
  The Lord has bound himself by solemn covenant, no longer are the children of men left to wander throughout mortality without knowing the lord's eternal plan. Remember that these things are true, because the Lord God has revealed these truths to us.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Satan himself came and showed him another Jesus and another gospel.
  He appears as an angel of light says the scripture!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It also says you will know them by their fruits wether they are good or not. I know the people of my church and you can't argue with the fact that they are for the most part good people, (Not me, but most of them) they give to the poor, and spend much of their free time in service to others, when we go to church we never hear lessons on how to Bible bash with other religions, but to simply speak the truth.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can absolutely say that Mormons are some of the nicest, giving people I've ever met. But, God knows the motive of their works. They are under the fear of not being saved or obtaining godhood. The miracle of God is that He forgives and accepts the outcasts, not the "religious". Why would you say you're not good? You're as good as any of us. All of us are sinners and fall short of God's glory. If there be any good in us, it's because of Him in us. I am no better than you or anyone else. Praise God, I have faith in His forgiveness. 1 John 5:13 "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life." Can it really be that simple? Believe means to entrust your spiritual well-being to Him; trust in what He did for you on the cross; know that you cannot earn salvation. Just let Him love you and love Him back ~ and with His love, love others as He gives us grace enough to do. That's the simple gospel.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mormons do not preach fear, Fear is the oppostie of faith. you've got your facts backwards because you choose to see the bad in it. We teach that everyone is a beloved son or daughter of God, and that he will delve out a perfectly just judgment to all of us faithfull or not, the standards of obtaining the kingdom of Hell are much harder to reach than you could possibly imagine. All of these people will have the opportunity to see God for what he is, otherwise how could every knee bend and every tongue swear?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Even the demons believe and tremble. They confessed Jesus Christ was the Son of God, yet are not saved. Bowing and confessing does not mean global salvation of all.
  
  Regarding the judgment seat, Romans 8:1 states "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The word condemnation here means judgement. Saints will be rewarded, not judged. This is why the works of the flesh will be burned up, yet the soul will be saved nonetheless. The works of the Spirit will be rewarded. The only ones condemned/judged are those who are not in Christ Jesus. These are those resurrected after the millennial reign, in the second resurrection and will suffer the second death, the Lake of Fire.
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mentioning any Great Apostasy (which according to the records I've read never happened) or that the Gospel ever required restoration is bashing all other Christians as apostates. While I know you don't intend to bash other believers, that's how it comes across.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, you are Catholic right? Doesn't your religion believe in the prepetuation of the Priesthood through Peter? So then Catholics should be given the same criticism, but do you believe that everyone else goes to hell because they did not receive a sanctioned baptism? I'm just speculating ofcourse, what does a real catholic believe?
  
  And lastly; do you teach riverdance?
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll take the last question first, as it's the easiest. Riverdance is to Irish dance (and flamenco, and Ukrainian dance, and tap dance, and everything else they throw in) what Swan Lake is to ballet. It's a show, not a dance form. So no, I don't teach Riverdance.
  
  No, Catholicism teaches that the Sacrament of Holy Orders or the ordained priesthood was instituted by God. Apostolic Succession was also instituted by Christ when he selected St. Peter to, as he put it, "feed my sheep." But priesthood and Apostolic Succession are not to be confused.
  
  I believe that everyone who, if given the opportunity to be Baptized, rejects it will be held to account. The Catholic Church teaches, however, something called Baptism of Desire, by which an unbaptized person can be saved.
  
  The Catholic Church defines apostasy as "the complete renunciation of the Catholic faith by a baptized person who had professed it." So we don't consider Protestants or LDS apostates unless they had previously been Catholic.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just don't put Protestants in the same category as cults.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But there is still a "pecking order" so to speak, concerning the way that the priesthood is received? ie.
  The Pope ordains an Arch bishop, Arch bishop ordains Bishops, Bishops ordain Deacons, Etc.?
  
  And I do apologize for the confusion of Dance genras.
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't quite work that way. It is understood that Jesus ordained all of the Apostles, who in turn ordained others. The Pope appoints archbishops and cardinals. He doesn't ordain them. Bishops, including the Pope who is himself also a bishop, can ordain deacons, priests, and other bishops.
  
  There is also a different, non-ordained kind of priesthood to which all Catholics belong, which is why even a female married layperson like me, in a pinch, can Baptize others.
  
  On the pleasantly off-topic tangents, no need to apologize. I get "Do you do that riverdancing thing," all the time. As for kids, got one son and one daughter, 8 and almost 10 respectively.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know I gave a somewhat oversimplified version, We do it similarly, Theres the prophet and his two councilers who are the lead Apostles, and then there is a Quorum of twelve Apostles, then three quorums of seventy who preside over branch presidents who have their counsilers, then the bishop,(Who presides over congregational meetings) then High Priests, Elders, Priests, Teachers, and Deacons. Everyone gets ordained to their respective office by a higher official. Theres a lot more but I'll spare you the details.
  
  I saw a thing on river dancing the other day and thought it would be cool to learn. My buddy visited Ireland and asked a woman if she would teach him an Irish jig. But I guess it means to fool around, they were both embarassed.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus Christ, the King of kings "is the stone cut out of the mountain without hands". This is speaking of His kingdom He will set up on earth that will shatter all kingdoms before it. The Book of Mormon is not the Word of God; the Bible alone is the Word of God. As is written in that Word, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" (Galatians 1:8) There was a REASON that Word was given. How many religions do you know of that started this way?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well that is why I have said "IF" and "PERHAPS"
  thanks for the link
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not seeing a change here the book of Mormon hasn't changed with the exception of gramatical errors, it is true to it's origional translation, and there is a lot about Jesus being the Christ, the redeemer and mediator, the advocate with the father, etc..
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
I am so glad Messiah did not come to start a new religion !!!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  that would be too much !!
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@ quietness
nice avatar! very 'sweet'
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is the seal escaping or did the shark win?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Scaping I hope
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In the original, they are both moving forward, so it's all the gravity.
  I had to crop it.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
You can do all kinds of things in the name of "Jesus".....
plenty of "Jesus'" running around the country side.

Casting out demons, healing people, feeding them and blah, blah, blah....

And many will come to Him and argue that they in fact did all of these things in His name.....

He will say, take a hike, I never knew you!!!

Today there is another Jesus on every church corner.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I cant make it blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah....demons can do that to you and more.
  They can do all kinds of powerful false miracles and lying sign and wonders too.
  He is a whack job no doubt !!!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Benny Hinn did not proclaim Mormonism years ago either. I believe his testimony is one of coming "out of" of the occult and association with the Freemasons. Not surprising a Mormon would refer to him as an example.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying Benny Hinn is Mormon? I see it's only been recently that Mormonism has "merged" with his ministry. I am shocked to read him state that the Word has become flesh in him, and he is a god! His testimony also includes coming out of the occult and is associated with Freemasonry.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No Carrie I was contrasting my belief in the "real Jesus" to others who want to make a buck teaching glitz and glamour, like Benny and his Angel of lights and flare.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, obviously, you'll have to change your tune ~ he's now merged with the Mormon belief system: http://archives.wittenburgdoor.com/arch … inn02.html He is quoted here as stating the following:
  "Hinn agreed, "We do have much in common. The prophet Joseph Smith told his people that they would have to learn how to become god's themselves, the same as all the gods have done before. I tell those who come to my crusades the same thing. When one is born again by faith in Jesus, he is given a new spirit man that wasn't there before—a spirit man that is divine in nature and God-like. As children of God we too are gods here on earth. The Word has become flesh in me! ...I am a little god on earth! You are a little god on earth!"
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  can I get you a national enquirer with your super market tabloid I think I saw an interesting article on Sightings of the Bat Boy.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, he's quoted ~ that's all I can say. Looking up other articles, he's quoted more and more...you think everyone is making this stuff up? Whatever it is, each man is accountable to the Word of God alone.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have just reported what you've done to HubPages, as to connect my name with such a false statement is now plastered all over google all over the world. I only stated what was already published about Benny Hinn; even when I quote you, I quote exactly what you've stated. You are guilty of libel and slander, which I'm sure is a violation of HubPages policy. You are also guilty of bearing false witness, of which you are accountable to the Highest Authority.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
What you seem to find hard to understand is that "another Jesus" can do all kinds of crap in the name of Jesus and still be found a liar.

Benny is just to obvious, takes no discernment to see he is out to lunch.

I am talking the subtle things in realms of the spirit.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
Here is what Benny and hundreds of others do upon the people they have wholesale deceived !!!.....and the people like little dogs lick it all up too.
Every lying false prophet does the same thing, some are just subtle.

Wait for it now....wait for it....wait)))))
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Do whatever you want, it's your free will. but you do the exact same thing.
The point is, you can find lies allover the internet and dress them up to look like the truth. But when the shoe is on the other foot suddenly it's a bad thing. I'm detecting a double standard here. And remember, the real Jesus loves you.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're twisted. I posted the link for you to read it for yourself. I didn't publish that information, and I quoted it exactly as published. I do not twist what is already published. What you did broke the LAW. If I knew who you were, I'd take you to court. You're messing with God's kid, and what you did He will remember. Expect His discipline.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The real Jesus doesn't have followers who LIE. You LIED here and cannot deny that fact. For me to quote sources is not me starting a lie, like you've just done. Now we know who follows the real Jesus. I have not lied. You have.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Two religionists fighting over which god is the right one, and then talking more ignorant rubbish about litigation because they had an argument! Gee I wonder what starts wars?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Blatant and purposeful lies come from the source of all lies: the father of lies. Now, we see even moreso the roots this LDS follows.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you believe that then why do you keep citing sources which are full of blatant lies? hypocritical.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Citing sources and making up my own are two different things. I dare you to cite sources about me that I would be ashamed of? Whatever I write I stand behind. For YOU to publish such a false statement about me is from YOU, not from some cited source. That is WRONG and you, I'm sure, would not be praised by your church for what you've just done. It's a poor witness to everyone reading this (meaning the world of Google and God!) You've shown your roots, your true colors.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think not! the twist that I made was attached to the origional post for demonstrative purposses, hence we have the two to compare. But you take lies from the internet and present them as fact. point being just because a tabloid put quotation marks around a statement doesn't make it true. You realy have to think before you start making accusations against others. Very judgmental.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I quote the source, not attach it to YOU. Follow the rules of ettiquette, let alone the commandments of God you claim to love and follow. What are all your "good works" going to accomplish when you openly and permanently bear false witness against a Christian? Shame!!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you quote a source which is full of lies, and present it as the truth. this is also called lying, do you feel justified because somone else wrote it? you shouldn't because it's the same thing.
  
  It's like being an accomplice to a murder. If a person didn't commit the murder, but held the victim down while the other person did it, should that person get off scott free? One would think not.
  Hence you didn't tell the lie, but you spread it around as if it were the truth. Is it sinking in yet?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then go after the person who published the article; I didn't publish the article. It's up to the reader to decide if it's true or false.
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Carrie that is no way to talk to one of your new fellow Latterday Saints.
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago
*sits in back, munches on popcorn*
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  May I have some?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, I put butter on it too !!!
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Looks like the goves are off !!!!!!!!!!
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Would you prefer it in biblical terms? here;

"why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."-Matthew 7:4
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What hypocricy have I committed? Quoting sources you say are lies? I have not lied. I am not the hypocrite here. Now, I'm not going to argue this with you any longer. God has the battle now.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Now we have my jesus is better than your jesus...sheesh!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You will know them by their fruits. I have not lied. I follow the Spirit of TRUTH.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That one started like two days ago, where have you been?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Having fun with my kids! Fathers day you know!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought fathers day was a few months ago. Well any day is a good day to play with the kiddies.
  
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My "kiddies are 43, 40 and 20 years old, and I have 6 Gkids. My kids, boys and all still hug and kiss me whenever we meet.
  Being loved is a very wonderful thing, and I seem to be very lucky indeed!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow I thought you were younger. Enjoy the grand kids cause you get to give them back at the end of the day. I've got #4 on the way.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have what I hope is a young outlook on life. I do not like giving them back! They entertain me, they show love to me, they fascinate me, it's all about me!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is your mix so far, I have got four girls and two boys.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I got twin girls and another girl, kind of hoping for a boy.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Best of luck! I am a twin, and have twin girls 4 yo. They are a riot!
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Paragliderposted 14 years ago
Can I join in? I have one granddaughter and another on the way
Congratulations to you two "old stagers" !
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Congratulations Paraglider, I bet you are an amazing grandfather and father. It gets better with more of em!
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
Three toddlers running around screaming their heads off, hitting me in the head with a plastic hammer, and worst of all potty training! and just got them to sleep. All quiet on the western front.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The twins are better now, but when younger used their razor sharp teeth to get a grip when climbing grandpa! I got more scars from those little tackers than from years of racing! I wrote a funny story on grandfather abuse once.
  I guess as long as they keep climbing on my knee, I am gonna be happy even if they used spiked boots!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  race car driver, cool! I'm just worried because they found out that scissors can cut hair.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  The scissors thing is a big worry. I found some that cut, but will not cut hair or skin. You know, maybe grandpa did not need that haircut while he was sleeping!!!!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've got the same haircut, shave the upper sides into a peak and pluck out random hairs down the middle.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Can I join in ? I'm only grand
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely tantrum!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and Good night ! C U tomorrow!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sleep well my friend,
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Holy mackerel! The Showdown!!! More coffee!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lost souls debating as to who is lost more
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sarmackposted 14 years ago
Praying to/for the dead is not the same as conversing with them. Our Prayers should be to our god, not to the dead, that is true. However, "the dead" may be working out their Penatence by "assisting" with our lives. Yeshua HaMachiach is a Great Example of this!!! Although, He is not working out His Penatence as He has nothing to Repent for...
Even animals do not "mate" with the same sex and we are supposed to be the higher order in the animal kingdom!!!
Scripture is to be "Engraved upon your heart" so that you LIVE it but don't go about regurgitating it... There is nothing worse than a radical religionist who only knows how to recite memorized verses. Know what is in the Book you use for Spiritual Guidance and speak it in your own words, in respect to your own life... that is what Pentacost was all about!!!
As far as Grandchildren, may God Bless and Protect them in their innocence.
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Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago
LOL

Judah's daughter is more of a liar than you are usmanali/whatever - although I do love to see two religionists getting it on, here is what the bible says about child molestation, rape and selling children for sex:

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. Exodus 21:7-11 NLT

Judah's daughter is also going against the word of god by preaching. Women are forbidden from preaching.

And you usmanali are a @#$%#&*&(*@)(*)

Ignorant peasants the pair of you. And you think you are going to persuade anyone to join your cults?

Thanks once again.
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  video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark Knowles,
  
  I am realy very sorry about your ill-bred situation. I can imagine how badly Freemasonry, Zionism, Humanism, Materialism, Capitalism and Evolution effected your health.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your paranoia has little to do with anyone else usmanali, you're a hater.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What are you talking about with breeding?
  
  Surely Allah created us all the same. Or are you saying you are better than me? Not getting it usmanali
  
  Lying is OK though? I get that.
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  video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You must consult a dictionary for the meaning of ILL-BRED
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you have nothing.... except name calling. as usual
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Rather entertaining that he denies evolution and at the same time talks about ill breeding. Is it just me - or is the level of stupidity rising with these people?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Same as all the fundies, runs out of ideas once they run out of hateful ideas.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, you are such an oppressive spirit. First of all, you are quoting the Old Testament, which is the Covenant of sin and death. When God prophesied what would happen as punishment, He is just. The Old Covenant was the same as "an eye for an eye", for the evil practiced against His nations was then enforced upon the attackers. The New Covenant is not this way. I gave you a link to female apostles and prophetesses, so you cannot continue to bash women or shut them up, for we are not separated in the Lord from man, and it is by His Spirit we speak and preach.
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imadorkposted 14 years ago
Neither. Think for yourselves!
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago
*munches on even more popcorn.*
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Laurie Favelleposted 14 years ago
The English poet/painter/philosopher - William Blake - said "everything that lives is holey".
Some of his contemporaries, particularly orthodox religious leaders, were a little miffed at some of his views as they tended to be contrary to the notion that there may be one religious point of view that was superior to all the others.
Power bases, fortunes and self interest would all be shattered if it were put about that "everything that lives is holey". Such notions would be totally outrageous. Really, how could all the plebeians and peasants be compelled to do the tasks required of them - plow the fields, tend the factories, fight the wars, etc?
Impossible!!!!
"Everything that lives is holey"....Mmmmmmm....sought of finishes the debate, eh?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I don't think so ! So holy are wars, sickness, etc. I see You're also blind
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@vladimir uhri
All this work replying to posts for nothing! Give yourself a break and enjoy life !
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Len Cannonposted 14 years ago
Catholicism will win but only if it has time to prepare. Time after time has shown that Catholics have been unstoppable when they know their enemies and have had time to develop counter-measures against them.

Otherwise, Judaism would clearly win.

But I think this scenario grossly neglects what Wolverine could accomplish.
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hinckles komaposted 14 years ago
religion is messed up because we get stuck talking and feeling about it. Instead of learning what mother nature teaches us. Change is the Truth. once we connect to some religion whatever it is we forget the truth. 1
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  Sir Xtra Xtraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree religion can cause a great deal of obscurity. We hold to religion as if it is the Creator itself. Religion is a mere vehicle to something Higher.
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  video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mother Nature is Pagan. It's a deception because
  
  nature = mother nature = great architect of the universe = great kind of israel = one eyed dajjal = antichrist = lucifer = satan
  
  These are the deceptive terms of Freemasonry which they use at different stages to decieve different levels of people. "Nature" is the most commonly used term in our international media.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When you do get to know god you will see god in Mother nature.
  
  great architect of the universe- since when has the devil been the great architect of our universe? your philosophy is so twisted.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
Looks like we have a scoffer running around and mocking everything.
Ignore this one....do not give them so much as a keystroke.

Proverbs 23:9
"Don't waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice. "

Proverbs 22:10
"Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease."
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Looks like we have a scoffer running around and mocking everything.
  Ignore this one....do not give them so much as a keystroke.
  
  Proverbs 23:9
  "Don't waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice. "
  
  Proverbs 22:10
  "Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease."
  
  Mock me not untrustworthyandloud. You make the lie that is me. Scoff not for you are me.
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Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years ago
Make Money. Now I know your understanding. I know why you believe in replacement theology.
I know Bible well and I believe I do understand it. The Apocrypha Books are not significantly valuable except perhaps purgatory which will be in contrary of John 3:3. We do not need thicker Bible we need only to act on it.
Why we have so much protestants? Because it is not the Church, but became religion. Whys second Commandment was removed? Idolatry is most common sin in today's religion.
Then we do not eat Jesus, we eat Last Supper (communion) to remember to go together to get into the WORD - LOGOS - JESUS. Read the Bible well, please.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Replacement theology is an incorrect term. There is a seamless transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament. You might want to read this, http://www.whymostfail.com/chosen.html
  
  John 3:3 does not even relate to purgatory, it is referring to the Sacrament of Baptism. This web page on the Sacrament of Baptism lists many Bible verses about Baptism including why infants should be Baptized. If you are interested in Purgatory this web page lists many Bible verses concerning Purgatory.
  
  No Commandments were removed. Why do you mention idolatry. Catholics and Lutherans seem to agree about the Ten Commandments. See, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
  
  Well Jesus did say to eat His Body and Blood to receive everlasting life and be raised up in the last day and those that don't won't as we see in John 6:54-55 (verses 53-54 in the KJB). Yes Jesus introduced the Holy Eucharist at the last supper, "And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. 27 And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins" (Matthew 26:26-28). It's not symbolic. This web page lists many Bible verses that show His Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. Yes we need to act on the Bible. Before you reply you may want to read all these Bible verses. Let's try to get over the bickering please.
  
  God bless
  Mike
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mike all your comments you made I am well familiar. I am not Lutheran. Luther however did not finished reformation. He did not restore the Second Commandment. This is negative mark from me.
  In John 6 Lord is talking about His Word. The bread and wine represent His body and blood it is truth. But it not changes bread to body and blood. He is talking about the WORD all the time. You are only right if you pull the verses out of context. I do not try to criticize. It is only what bother me is that people do not like to listen especially religious. They are locked to man made doctrines.
  Then you like apocrypha. It is OK with me it is your choice. But the same time your church does not accept what is written in basic Bible.
  Do not sound I do not take communion. I just do not believe it is Jesus body and blood. It means we would sacrifice Jesus all over and over again. Remember Moses strike the rock twice? Jesus symbolizes the Rock because He is Rock. But He is not granite, really. Moses should to strike once and this is why he could not enter Promise Land. He made two errors. If you are priest then you have something to preach next Sunday and we both have something common.
  See mistakes without repentance make impact on people as a whole all of us Christians.
  
  Bless you and I love you. Vladimir
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mike I love you. But you mess the Bible so...
  Vladimir
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mike I love you. But you mess the Bible so... I am sorry for you. Vladimir
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Yeah I love you too Vladimir but I am not going to continue to bicker with you if you are not willing to read the verses mentioned, especially the long list that show His Real Presence in the Eucharist.
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Sir Xtra Xtraposted 14 years ago
"Seek happiness in yourself and it will elude you, seek happiness in others and find it in yourself." This is a quote from what book?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tell me, tell me!
  
  Seriously...what?
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Probably quoted from 101 ways to Transform your life by Dr. Wayne W Dwyer, but attributed to Churchill.
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surfzenposted 14 years ago
Last Saturday my wife, a protestant and I, a catholic, stopped by the old San Buenaventura Mission, Padre Serra's last mission he dedicated on Easter Sunday March 31, 1782. My wife stood before the Shrine of the Crucifixion, a 400 year old statue carved from wood and after a moment asked me, "do you see something?" You must visit the city of Ventura, CA and drop by the mission and you will understand why I appreciate this forum but feel that all the bickering and nit-picking is for naught.
Chuck
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A special moment. Out of interest, what did she/you see?
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Best god fight everyone!
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