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Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago
No, it is His unique name.....EL is God in Hebrew not YHVH
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unique according to whom? You?
  What about different names given by different masters all over the world ?
  Stop fighting over a name as its so irrelevant .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well we better all stand aside and believe what you do then eh? After all you aare the only one who has the truth about a lie. Not the brightest firefly are we?
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
arrogance that even exceeds stupidity! Nice to see the real god behind your beliefs video lost! You are a real beginner in this thinking business aren't you?
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rosariomontenegroposted 15 years ago
I have to say that Video Lost´s language fireworks have given me some emotion, like a flicker of hope. I might be incurably naïve but ... am I seeing there a Muslim hand stretching friendly towards a Jewish hand?

Shaul, you have drastically changed your tone from your first posts to today´s ... I discover a never before witnessed phenomenon, a missionary Jewish. I was told by more than one knowledgeable Jewish teacher that Judaism is not a missionary religion, it´s not at all its mission to preach or disseminate its beliefs.

Well, a preacher Jewish, quite a novelty. Only thing, please try not to fight with others because of beliefs. Humankind has had enough of this painful habit.
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  Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If a man asks you to give a reason for the hope that is within you, then you give him an answer.
  
  Messiah and His Apostles did not adhere to what you have been told.
  
  They spread it abroad. Messiah does not answer to "Jewish teachers"
  
  Paul was a Jew and a missionary.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Paul was a Jew, i agree but the deviated one who turned the message of Jesus (peace be upon him) upside down. He introduced TRINITY, DIVINITY and CRUCIFIXION, the three major interpolations on which the whole religion of Christianity is based. He changed the word of God which is a type of unforgivable sin.
  
  Revelation 22:18-19:". . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book."
  
  But who cares! He did not really believed!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Paul was saved like we are today. He was not one of the original 12 apostles and never knew Jesus in the flesh. He wrote 25% of the New Testament, and his message was mainly to graft in the Gentiles (the wild olive tree) into the Jews (the cultivated olive tree). Regarding Revelation and adding or taking away from that Book, it is speaking of the Book of Revelation only. Books have been added and taken away from the canon (i.e. the Aprocrypha and the Book of Enoch and Jasher), via the Nicean Council, but the Book of Revelation is in tact and unchanged, per that warning.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kindly update yourself regarding the matters of interpolations. Allah dislikes as mentioned in Revelations to change His word but Paul did it. There is a detailed documented history of interpolations in OT and NT.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad being illiterate how is one sure his exact words were put down in the Holy Quran.He couldn't read or write so he couldn't check.
  
  Holy books can be the works of highly evolved disciples who had attained godhood for themselves.These disciples work on Allah or Jevovah or Brahmas instructions and thats the only reason the words are supreme and becomes a masterpiece which defies time.Its clear god is involved in these works as an ordinary human , someone who doesn't know god cannot accomplish such a task.
  
  A masterpiece is the work of a master or masters.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, Yeshua (that would be JESUS) was not illiterate! Why would anyone base their faith on an illiterate "prophet". The disciples were also not illiterate! Just because they were fisherman as a trade does not mean they were "big dumb football players" (as people would say today). Do your research. Unless, of course, illiterates follow illiterates.
  
  The apostles were men, just like we are today. They were followers of Jesus, taught by Him and spread the gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ alone. Other religions have their own "holy books", obviously under the actual criticism of being started by an illiterate man who couldn't check to see if it was even accurate. The apostles were never gods and never will be.
  
  The Serpent said "ye shall be as gods" (even he didn't say we would actually BE gods, which is the greater LIE) and this is a LIE ~ but, of course, if you believe the Serpent, we know your roots. Plain and simple.
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  Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please cite where in your opinion, Paul changed the gospel.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, there is no Gospel of Jesus (peace be upon him) or Gospel of Allah on the face of this earth.
  
  Secondly, the writting of OT was started after 150 years approx. of Jesus (pbuh), so automatically this large time gap between the spoken words and the start of written words gave rise to extreme doubts and uncertainties. And the first written Gospel was not in the Hebrew language of Jesus (pbuh).
  
  Thirdly, there are multiple Gospels written by various people, in contrast, the word of Allah and the word of Jesus (pbuh) was only ONE. Later on, these Gospels were changed and interpolated from time to time by several people despite that Allah prohibited them to do so in Revelations.
  
  Forthly, there are grave defects in these Gospels ranging from Pornography, Mathematical Errors and Plagiarism to Unknown authors. How can you attribute these kind of things towards God.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And how can Islam claim God when they allow marriage and sexual activity with babies up to 10-year-old girls, and polygamy also? Not one member of Islam has denied this fact.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well you can go to the bible for the ultimate solution!
  
  They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
  
  The bible is full of hate like this.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Once again, you've avoided the question about marriage and sex with little girls. Did you know God hates? If you don't, read my hub, "Hated On Account of My Name". He will send His enemies to Hell, which He created for all evil. You either belong to Him or you don't. He is God and there is no other. He is the ultimate authority. The First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The marriage and sex with little girls is in the quoran, and this is in the bible, so which is worse? They are both despicable!
  
  Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
  
  That is your god speaking from either book, and you should read more!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Quoran is supposedly heavenly, but that scripture in the Bible is the judgement and wrath of God upon the rebellious. These things are not active in heaven, and though followers of Christ suffer tribulation from the Enemy in the same ways, it is only temporary...and this is why God's wrath comes upon them ~~ but Hell for all eternity is the ultimate wrath of God upon them, where heaven for all eternity is the ultimate reward for those who endure this earthly existance. Amen.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Therefore the puppet is right and the rest of you rot in hell. {tears of laughter)
Hey! I still have the Sydney Harbor Bridge for sale. Buy NOW!!!
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sarmackposted 15 years ago
You chose a good 4 belief systems to compare. I commend you for your choices.

Catholicism - is a man generated religion - it was started at the whim of Constantine to control the masses that were turning to Christianity - there are many good things about Catholicism - for instance, they support and protect their Stigmata - for that one thing, Catholicism has been given Great Spiritual Power and Blessings - however, you can tell when a religion has overstepped its bounds, because the Blessings go away and bad things begin to happen. This has happened to all the great religions on earth.

Judaism - is a God Given way of life - it proceeded through Isaac - the Promised Child of Abraham - the Jew is dedicated to living according to the Law God has Given us to live by - the Messianic Jew was the group that ultimately Crucified Yeshua HaMachiach - it was not the organized religious figures as history has shown - closer evaluation Reveals that it was the masses who had followed Him and listened to Him, shouting to Crucify Him, who swayed the verdict -

Christianity - is a God-Ordained Way of Life - it is not just for this lifetime on earth - it is an Eternal Way of Life - With the Advent of Christianity on Pentacost, following the Resurrection of Yeshua HaMachiach which could only occur after His death on the Cross, Judaism was to go by the wayside for all those Jews who were Called to Christianity - Christianity will bring all of God's people into one fold, the Jew and the Gentile - there is no person on this earth or in Heaven who can stop the Will of God on this issue -

Islam - is also a God Given way of life - this religion came through Ishmael, the slave woman's child of Abraham - I will address this religion with an personal experience - one afternoon, I was sitting in a park in a small town in Georgia. There were Middle Eastern families having a picnic there. You could tell their belief system by their dress. I was swinging! and one of the women walked by with her son. I said hello! She just looked at me and walked on. Almost instantly, what I assume was her husband walked up to me and asked me if I was having a good day. He explained that they were having a family outing and some other things. He was PROTECTING his family. I was so amazed as I sat and watched these families. The men were very attentive to their wives and children. To have such devotion and protection would be a God-send for those of us who are True Christian women in this country.

For all the bad things that may be associated with any religion, there are Good things. We must look for the Good in everything and not dwell on the bad. What you Believe is what you will live. If you Believe bad things or only see evil things, you will live the evil.

All of the religions have their writings to back up what they believe. Stand up for what you believe and you will live out your Destiny. As for me, I AM to Love my enemy. It is not for me to judge, but to Love each person and to assume that they are living out the life God has dictated for them. I Pray that I do God justice in the life He has Given me to live, so that others can see and Know what a True Christian really is.

Yom Kippur is coming up begin the evening of September 27th. May visions of your success and future be with you.

Bless you all!
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is a common misconception perpetuated by people who are either ignorant of history or have a vested interest in historical revisionism.
  
  The Catholic Church predates the Emperor Constantine by a few centuries plus change, as Apostolic succession and the office that would become known as the papacy began with Jesus and St. Peter rather than with Pope Sylvester during Constantine's reign.
  
  Constantine called the Council of Nicea not to "control the masses," but to make sure people turning to Christianity were really turning to Christianity rather than to a heresy. It codified Christianity, established the same creed even most Protestant denominations profess, and firmly determined which books were canon and to be included in the New Testament as well as which canon of the Hebrew Bible to use. Constantine, however, had no say beyond organizing the Council. However, he seated all the bishops ahead of himself and had no vote in the proceedings, so it's not like he "started" the Catholic Church.
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sarmackposted 15 years ago
I apologize, but I feel that I must address a couple more things. I tried hard not to go this far, but I must Stand up for what I Believe!

Yahweh is the Name of God - it is your breath - as you breath in and out, you can actually hear His Name - The J is from other languages getting into the picture and tainting it.

The Words Yeshua spoke were straight from the Old Testament. Each thing He spoke of can be traced back to the Old Testament. He did not generate any new Law. Love one another can be found in the Old Testament. He did not change God's Words. He spoke straight from the Source. He is the Son of God and there is no other.

Seek the Truth and you shall find It!
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dear Sarah,
  
  As per friendly knowledgeabe discussion i am bound to show off the truth. The case of "YHWH/ELOHIM is equal to Oh He is Allah" is very clear from my above account.
  
  Now let me tell you about the story of J which is that the European Christians have developed a sickness for the letter "J". They add J's where there are no Jays. Look!
  
  Yael he converts to Joel
  Yehuda    to Juda
  Yeheshua    to Joshua
  Yusuf    to Joseph
  Yunus    to Jonah
  Yesus    to Jesus
  Yehowa    to Jehovah
  
  There is no end to the Westerner's infatuation for the letter "J."
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no difference between Jevovah ,Allah, Brahma or Ahura Mazda.Fighting over the name reflects a very poor understanding of god.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amen.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
As many will repeat, there is no proof at all for god. Not one bit.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Only a book on god can defy time.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Many tomes have been around a long time Mohit, but their is still no proof of god.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My friend says:
  There is proof of love, that love is real and it is everlasting.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats true earnesthub but I doubt any tomb exists as old as the Holy Vedas.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, Mohit I said Tome, as in large religious work.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oops sorry yes I get your point I understand you .
  Its only after one finds his own proof can he really relate with these works.Like I said before you may read these books a million times and still not understand God.
  You are just being honest something some are unable to digest.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look at Usmanail he has read the Holy Quran but has no idea about god.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he remains a zealot. thank you for understanding. I do have a basis for my belief as you know, and your belief is not defines religiously and so is not a problem to me.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was an atheist and didn't understand a word of these books before enlightenment.These book try and inspire man to find god ,same thing I am trying with my book.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As you know I have spent much time reading these books myself, and I do understand the broad reading and understanding that you have, as we had many discussions in the past.
  
  In many ways I have used these books also to come to a better understanding of many things.
  There is no proof of god is a sound statement I'm sure you agree. That you believe in god is not a problem.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes you are a seeker still looking for the proof which will come and I agree a book cannot reveal the Light or god to you.
  
  "Why do I write I do now know,
  It is only ink on paper to show. "
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You write because you love to write! It's all OK
  No, I do not seek proof, and I do have a "purpose" and a way forward, but I would not use the same word, so we may see some things differently.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Writing is something I had to do, was forced to by god, he made me for this ,impossible to explain this.
  I sort of fought him for years but at the end lost out and today I am glad I did.
  Image the nonsense I had to face as I became a full time poet at the age of thirty three, got attitude and abuse from so many , was a torture but is now falling into place.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes your path was not to other riches Poetry is it's own reward though and has the capacity to move the soul and spirit deeply. I have always written poetry, from an early age I liked the flow of words and feelings that mix as I write.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes there is soul satisfaction and I intend to tickle and instigate other souls
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I read a lot of poetry while doing psychology. T.S. Elliot has some very deep and searching poems.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree T.S Eliot is very good and we have seen many superb poets. Dont get angry but I feel, believe I am the best
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He wrote something I recall about waiting. It was very Kahlil Gibran like, and mentiones waiting without love or faith for they are in the waiting! I thought it was my strength when dealing with my anima some years back.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is truth in waiting as the cosmic plan will unfold with time, patience is one of the key of life.
  Didn't get the waiting without love or faith part.Gibrans The Prophet permeates with the essence of the spirit.
  What anima?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He said that the love and faith are in the waiting. The anima is the female aspect of my male self. An important step in understanding the path of individuation. Also known as "the road least traveled" in Jungian psychology.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm
  I like Robert Frost, William Blake,Tiruvalluvar to name a few poets.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do not know Tiruvalluvar.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A south India poet Saint who wrote the "Kural" roughly 2000 ago and his book is still around and he is class , one of my all time favorite books.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My friends says:
  Love seeks no title.
  Love does not boast.
  The gifts people have were freely given by love.
  It is always best to let another praise you.
  Love does not take the best seat at the table lest one greater arrives.
  Love needs no defense and nothing can defend against love.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  However, there is proof of God. Speaking for myself, skepticism precludes me from believing anything in the complete absence of proof. (Another reason why I never was an atheist. Equal-opportunity skepticism means that I demanded proof supporting the atheist position as well as the theistic ones.) Yet I find the proof that God exists compelling enough. You don't, and I have no problem with that.
  
  But that still doesn't mean the proof doesn't exist.
  
  By the way- commendable taste in poetry there.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So where's the proof??? I don't see any. And don't come with all that babble! . Bring your proof forward! You've been posting in every religion thread you found in your way, without saying anything relevant. So?........
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus tells us in Luke 16:30-31 the following: "But he (the rich man) said, 'No, Father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!' But he (Abraham) said to him (the rich man), 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.'" Jesus also says in John 20:29 "Blessed are those who have not seen Me and yet believe." So, Tantrum, listen to a real-life resurrection story of a man who was already embalmed and still raised from the dead. The angel told him that God has granted the request of the rich man in Luke, to send to this last generation, a man risen from the dead that had already been embalmed. Will you believe? If not, then this tells me Jesus' words were absolutely true. If you don't want to believe, you won't. There's no way to get through to you....but if you do, I praise the Lord and all of heaven will rejoice over your salvation! Here's the link to the story ~ research it for yourself, if you need to: http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/ama … 91603.aspx
  
  Not that you would even trust me, but I have also written about a true-life miracle in my hub, "Healed of Spinal Meningitis", where the Lord told me to pray over a friend, anointing her with oil (praying in tongues). After that prayer, the Lord revealed a back problem that she denied. I prayed over her back and the knowledge came as to her condition that doctors had not identified for then two years. Three days later it manifested and was confirmed that this had been working in her body for two years. She was in the hospital for five days on liquid antibiotics and healed of it. It's true!!!! Jesus is Lord and our Savior!! He's our healer in so many ways, Tantrum!!
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't make me get my philosophy textbooks out again! They are full of stuff you don't think exists- pages and pages devoted to proofs of God's existence.
  
  Don't ask me again for proof until you've read Anselm's ontological proof and apologetic at least.
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  Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum wants no proof.....he just wants you to jump through more hoops.
  people have explained away any proof if they wish to.
  even Messiah walked away from people and did nothing for them again.
  ignore him....ignore them all.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So even Messiah didn't have an answer , and walk away from people ! Good ! just like all of you ! what a joke, kid !
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum, some of us are playing with a full deck. No jokers allowed!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought gambling was a sin
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  Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no Messiah walked away because they did not believe after proff !!!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what is the proof ? Tell me what the proof was without copying and pasting, kid. You should know by now how to think for yourself !!" I can't believe this! !! It's too funny !!
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  Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you do not listen well.
  I am not your kid, nor are you old enough to call me kid.
  Messiah proved it by what He did right in front of them.
  Some people like yourself do not have ears to hear.
  He walked away from them as well.
  Few are chosen.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have to listen here. I have to read. and all I read is nonsense from you. Is so difficult to bring forward the 'proof'? And of course you're not my kid! I would be ashamed of having a kid like you ! but you're a kid anyway by the looks of what you write
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum, your resume doesn't show you're qualified to be attempting to contribute to this topic. You have no faith at all ~ that's not in the invite...dude.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  don't make me laugh. I can post wherever I want. Just as all of you do . And if someone so pathetic as myfriendshiyloh goes from thread to thread leaving his 'lovely posts, why can't I do the same? And who are to tell me if I can post or not?. This is a free forum, just in case you didn't notice?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you confessing you are the hot potato then? That's the only category left that might apply.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't care less what you apply or you don't! anyway hot potato doesn't apply here at all. I'm not passing anything to anyone ! You show what you are pretty well
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  One of us is playing a part and the other is authentic. I can say, you will be throwing a tantrum for all eternity. I hope you know you are representative of how your parents raised you? Are you honored? I pray I am also representative of my Father in heaven. He's raising me and I wish to bring honor, not shame to His name. Amen.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Give me a break !! for your Christ Sake ! Good night! I always love to go to bed with a big smile on my face. Thank you so much !!!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you ask around to see if anyone's found His body. If He never existed, you're calling everyone a fool that authored the Bible, died for thier faith, and follow Him still today. You can find the bodies of all the other prophets, and yet people believe they're saviors of some sort? Hmmmm.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not going to reply to this. You'll get really annoyed. But anyway ,I'm sure deep inside, you know what my answer would be !!!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Romans 10:9 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  this is a joke, right ? I don't need to read anything and you don't have to get your textbooks either! Just give your personal proof. You should have one for your beliefs. If not what's the point, leaning in somebody else's.? Don't you have a mind ? Can't you think for yourself a sensible answer? What kind of feeble belief do you have ,that you need to rely in textbooks ?. This is realy a joke !!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you still going through your textbooks, dear ??!!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Atheists came later then they should prove scientifically that theory of evolution is fact and not the fiction.
  But no one is able to prove anything. Both believers and atheists are believers in something or in nothing.
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Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago
This was interesting.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Manifestation-of-Antichrist
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Thanks Mohit.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you earnesthub.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I don't want to be saved ! I already bought my ticket for the Abyss. I'll stick with the Devil ,of you don't mind
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I updated my comment above. Please read my hub, "Healed of Spinal Meningitis" ~ I pray you don't have a reservation in the abyss, but that Jesus is preparing your heart now to receive Him.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look Judah's daughter ( Carrie Bradshow ? ) I don't have anything against you . O. K ? just don't preach me I BEG YOU. Leave me alone and I'll do the same .Peace !!!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good luck with that.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm glad to know people understand I won't give up on anyone until I see my Lord. He would do the same for you!!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  !!!!!!!
  Then go to Hell !
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now, THAT would be torment for you...we wouldn't want to see that happen :-/ But, I'd love to see you in heaven :-)
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And I hope that one day you will come to realize how wrong you are and the hatred you spread.
  
  Too bad you are so blind to the conflict you cause. Or is that your intention?
  
  Seems like it. Please read my hub "why evolution proves there is no god."
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can't heal an infected wound if you don't open it up...that's my job :-)
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  You cannot heal an infected wound by pouring acid into it. Especially when the wound does not exist. You really are sad. In fact - I pity you.
  
  This is the problem with holding the ridiculous beliefs you hold. You think you are being loving, but in reality - as you can tell from the responses you generally get and your need to close down Carrie Bradshaw and hide behind a new user - you are spreading hatred and conflict.
  
  This is because you are not well. If you are really that terrified of facing reality I can help. I used to be a therapist and have helped numerous people face their fears and inner demons. Make a post here letting me know where you live and I can put you in touch with a therapist in your area.
  
  Off hand, I would say it is really a fear of death, and the need to spread the hatred and venom in this way somehow lets that out of your system. I would like to bet you feel really guilty when you are not doing this. And although this may help you in the short term, the bad karma and ill-will you spread will make it's way back to you eventually.
  
  Read some of Jewels hubs and you will begin to understand your problem.
  
  Read some of mine to help you divest yourself of this god fixation and need to hurt others.
  
  We can help.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe if my name was "The Girl Next Door" you'd approve? I don't marvel at you not knowing me, for you don't know Jesus.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you better than you could ever understand.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That sounds almost compassionate. I will have to pray that whatever hardened your heart against the Lord will be bound from happening to me. I love my Lord with all my heart and I would never want to be without Him; now or for all eternity.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is compassionate. I can help and I already offered. I can feel your pain and need to hurt through the keyboard. Seriously - let me know where you live and I can put you in touch with a therapist that can help. Trust me - you will feel a lot better.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean Dr. Lucifer, right? My Dr. is Dr. Yeshua and He's all I need. Thanks for caring; would you like His card?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A decent therapist could probably help with the delusions as well,. I mean - clearly your behavior towards others suggests that talking to an imaginary dead Jewish guy is not helping.
  
  Really. I want to help.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 "Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness."
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uhuh.
  
  Now look in the mirror pet.
  
  Seriously - let me know if you decide to get help. I know plenty of people all over the US.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, likewise; I would love to have a God to god show-down with you anyday. You might try reading my hub "God of gods" to find out the truth. Just remember, whatever you do for or against one of God's children, you are doing directly to Him.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There ya go with the assumptive threats again! If that were true you would be first in line! The world you see is just that. The world you see. Make it as small as you like!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He holds the whole world in His hands...remembering a song I learned as a child...oh, and It's a Small World afterall...the earth is just a spec in the massive space out there, and imagine how small man is in comparison and we dare to make him a god? That's truly small-minded.
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\Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago
ring side seat for me.... this is getting good
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Some more love, peace and understanding from your sick man made deity.

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

The Quoran is no worse than the bible. They are both complete with the brutality and neurosis of the time! Avenging sadistic self anointing garbage the lot of it!
Have any of you read the whole book? Either of them?
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
My friend says:
If people reject the message you carry, it is wise to take your message to another people.
The message can be left on the doorstep.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Tantrum, that is cute!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hi !!I hoope u c d irony in it LOL !
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Paul tells Timothy to "flee to the next City" when the message is not received. I'm certain Timothy didn't give up too easily, for to do so turns them over to a depraved mind or to a strong delusion to believe the lies that are irreversable. I can only pray that other Christians will carry on when I am called away...the harvest is ripe, but the laborers are few, the Bible says. I love people the way He does, and one of the fruits of the Spirit is long-suffering ~~ patience....I am praying for these guys...especially the beloved Tantrum ~~ dear heart he is...
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
That would appear to depend on what religion he follows

The bible: The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." He was speaking of those who follow other religions.

I think that speaks volumes
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any other god before Allah, Yehovah, Elohim, El Elyon, Elowah...will be destroyed. Amen. In the Old Testament, which you quote, all humanity was under His Law of sin and death. Yeshua (Jesus) came as God with us (Immanuel) to die for us, so we are now under grace from God's judgment and wrath, but only if we accept Him. He is the ONLY WAY. Amen.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I see you use this thread to exercise your mind and that's good ! It's a shame you only found such an easy contender !
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So true tantrum. Avoid or sidestep, I read the whole bloody thing, and can see we have us a small thinking zealot here, with no desire to know "outside"
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
but the bible has a solution!

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

I would love to see you and a "devout" Muslim go at it, it would be hilarious, seeing you toss bits of your books at each other.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Except that it's truly no laughing matter...God will not be laughing when He says to those on His left "Depart from Me" and sends them to eternal torment. There will be NO WAY OUT, salvation through NO OTHER gOD. No man will be able to save himself. That's why the message you hear is so urgent ~ for even you are not promised another breath...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you have a very small mentally ill god who is severely neurotic. That you could "worship" such a god defies any humanity at all. A vengeful, narrow minded fixated insecure, stupid, bullying psychopath is your god?
  How anyone can believe this dribble is beyond comprehension!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Last I checked, you claimed to believe in the same God, just with different prophets. Amazing. Sounds to me like you HATE the God of the Bible, your CREATOR. Heaven would be a miserable place for you, then...
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
You obviously do not read other peoples comments! or satire is not something you are sophisticated enough to understand.
No god for me thanks!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I haven't lowered myself to calling names, just sharing the truth. When something sounds too good to be true, it is. There is evil and good in the Bible, righteousness, sanctification, salvation and judgment and wrath. We were created in God's image, and likewise we have good and wrath in us. God both loves and hates. He loves His children with agape love and loves the world with agapao love, and hates His enemies. Likewise, we love God with agape love (and our brethren), we love the world with agapao love (social, principled, moral), and we hate His enemies as He does. Right now, I love you with agapao love, without hate. I do hate the Adversary that deceives innocent people and will work until the day I go to be with my Father in heaven, to make straight the crooked ways of the Serpent, the father of lies...because He loves you!!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
The bible like the quoran are no proof of any god, were not written by any god, and are certainly "ungodly"
They are sexist, they condone murder as a way of dealing with other people's beliefs and are foolish in the extreme in their naivety towards self knowledge.

You and your god would have those who are of another belief murdered. You are why there are religious wars all over the world right now, spouting this sort of rot while killing each other which in my view is OK but it is not OK when you take the innocent with you!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thou shalt not kill is a commandment of our Lord. That kind of kill is murder. We have armed forces that go to war and kill for righteous reasons. God does not kill without cause. Before Jesus came, God told His people what to do to exercise His wrath. Now, God knows what governments are doing and causes His consequences to fall according to His will. However, remember that Jesus allowed Himself to be killed mercilessly and His disciples were also killed mercilessly. It is prophesied that we as Christians will be killed for our faith by the hand of the anti-christ, unless He comes to take His church beforehand, but by what I read, it is the former. We are willing to die for our faith, knowing it is for just a moment in time. However, when Jesus returns with His armies, there will be no mercy. He is the Omega. He is the END. He reigns because He is the great "I AM", the Author and Finisher of all things. Amen.
  
  The only sinless One that was killed since the beginning of time was Jesus Christ (but even that had its righteous purpose). Our sin killed Him, but He overcame death and so will His followers who have received His forgiveness through His death and resurrection.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
the Bible is full of the sort of murder you speak of. Your blind faith allows you to hate and kill "sinners" and you decide how to interpret what you read. Putting all your trust in your superior knowledge to ostracize and kill "others" because they do not believe what you do. Unbelievable!
Your indictment is in your own words as well as the bible.

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
What an insecure neurotic little god you have!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obedience is better than sacrifice, His Word says. And yes, every word we speak we are held accountable for. I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. My Lord is Jesus, God in the flesh, and His power is the Spirit of Truth in which I walk. I am not perfect, but my Lord is. He is my righteousness by which I speak boldly.
  
  Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. This is why I share His Word. We only know in part until He comes again, and I can only do my very best.
  
  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Amen.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is what you call truth that spouts hate against others, as below.
  
  John 8:44: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." In this passage, Jesus is speaking to Jews who, like the majority of the residents of Palestine, rejected his teachings. He says that they are sons of Satan.
  
  Speaking to the Jews and most of Palestines population! i guess you need to wipe out the Jews too eh?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Jews were the religious leaders of the day. They worshiped the Law more than God and were full of self. That is why they were of their "father, the devil". Who did the Devil murder? JESUS. It was meant to be. However, Jesus said He came to His own, the Jews, and they did not receive Him. Since then, many have. He also promises that all Israel will be saved. Did you know that? How great is His mercy toward His chosen ones. We, as Gentiles (any that are not Jewish by birth) are grafted into their promises because we have received the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
  
  So murder is of the Devil. That is clear. Religious people that murder other people are not representative of saved people. Religion is works and pride-based. It is "self-centered", not "God-centered". God said to His people, that though they had the commandments, such as "Thou Shalt Not Kill", He went on to say that if they even harbored hate in their hearts toward a brother, they are guilty. He said that circumcision is not of the flesh in His Book, but of the HEART. He makes our heart clean and we will then bear His fruit (Galatians 5:22).
  
  Sin is of the Devil. Righteousness is of Christ Jesus. He who knew no sin became sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. He forgives. Only He can forgive any of us. He forgives you and remembers your sin no more!! Ever!! Done!! Finished!! He loves you ~~
  
  If His Word slices and dices, it's called "conviction". This is like a surgeon's scapel, not a butcher knife. It heals, not kills. I praise God that "feathers" get ruffled, because this is the work of the Holy Spirit! I am greatly encouraged.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
And so naturally your god has to kill the Palestinians, any friends and family that worship differently to you, homosexuals, women, Muslims etc just like the quoran does.

That you see nothing psychotic in this speaks volumes for indoctrination!
None so blind etc.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is God. He is the Law. He wins. The first of the ten commandments written by the finger of God states, "Thou Shalt Have No Other gods Before Me." Those who rebel against His authority have given dominion to His Adversary, the Devil and are of him. The Devil is their father, though they don't realize this. God says it and He is Truth.
  
  He also made a way for you to give dominion back to Him. It's still your choice as it was from the beginning. He also is faithful to you. He will never leave you nor forsake you. He will smite your enemies; you don't have to. The power is in His Word. Revelation states that the battle of Har-Magedon will be won by the Word of His mouth. Are we in that spiritual battle even now?
  
  Be smitten with His love, not His wrath. He is God of gods. He is King of kings. He is Lord of lords and He is the only one that can save you and will raise you ~ either to eternal life or eternal judgment. It's your choice...make that choice when He calls you because He has a work for you to do!! He loves you so much He paid the price already for your sin. He paid the price for the whole world. Because man has this choice given to him by his Creator, it is man that chooses his destiny. He cannot change God, nor His Law. It is forever.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
All this without even one iota of proof. This is complete indoctrination, take away the madness of believing the bible is the word of god and you have something else. Reality.
The truth does not hang around for years get written by four or five people and then we are all set to base a life on it? Not one prayer is ever answered, no proof of anything just barking at the moon. I found out years ago that religionists can't grow or learn. Learning that does not fit the current mind set is "of the devil".
I call it the "devil in the corner" syndrome.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God doesn't hear sinners. It says so in the Word. But, if a sinner is repentant and is truly crying out to Abba (Father), He will hear you. He will heal you and heal your land. He will be given the dominion back over your life. He will fill you with His Spirit. You will know His voice and He knows yours. Believe me. I have hubs about His answers, and they are miraculous! It's all yours ~~ it's truth.
  
  I have a hub called "Believe and Receive" and one about the "Healed of Spinal Meningitis", as well as "Interpretation of Spiritual Tongues". These are truth. They are real. And it is my testimony!! I wouldn't believe in something that was dead!! He is alive and He will prove it to you!!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Not one sign of proof there either. god does not hear anyone! Children dying horribly? god can do nothing, has done nothing, will continue to do nothing, does not exist.
Your proofs are as crazed as your beliefs!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You've read those hubs? It is Satan who does these horrible things. Adam and Eve gave him dominion in the Garden. God gave Adam and Eve dominion first, and they gave it to Satan! That's why Satan is called the "god of this world". He reigns here for a short time and does the most horrible things that causes those like you to reject faith that God would allow this. Everyone who dies faces eternity. The innocent to life everlasting. Satan is said to be like a roaring lion, prowling around, seeking whom he can devour. He kills, steals and destroys. Jesus said He has come to give us life and more abundantly. If you don't have Jesus, you don't have His protection. He even puts angels in charge over you, watching every step you take.
  
  If God has hardened your heart, I will pray that He open your heart again. He did this with Pharaoh, but Pharaoh was stubborn and kept hardening his heart again and again. Please don't let Satan win in your heart, earnestshub.
  
  You won't understand anything, the "light", until you invite the light to shine in your heart. Then, your eyes will be opened. Do you think every believer is simply crazy and brain-washed? Are we that stupid to serve a dead religion? A dead god?
  
  There's HOPE. Have the faith of a mustard seed. Do you know how small a mustard seed is? That's all it takes. By grace you are saved through FAITH. It's the gift of God, not of works, so no one can boast. Have a little faith, man!!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to be missing something here. I have been you, thirty years ago, so I know much about your faith.Your god does not enter my happy life any more, I studied my way right out the other end of your beliefs. I have no desire to have other men or women tell me what to believe either. And instead of arguing about who's god is the real one, I get to look at stuff your religion forbids you to know.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The rejection of the light is the love of darkness, which it looks like you have made the god in your life. Satan may be winning the battle for your soul (another hub I also wrote), but he has not won the war. I have faith for you. I wandered away from God also, and He yanked me right back just a few months ago, brother. And I call you brother, yes I do. I speak it in faith. He is faithful, even when we are not. You obviously were called and Satan's been after you big-time. You know why? It's what I said, inspired by the Holy Spirit. He called you to a work for Him and you will complete it. I know it more now than ever. You'd better be looking for God's love because He's going to shower it on you...I don't even have to know it from you, because I already know it from Him! Praise the Lord!!! I have the Holy Spirit bumps all over my body. I am right on. You just watch, brother. I am your sister and I am His and you are, too! He has not forsaken you.
  
  He's shown me your heart...I wish I could write it here, but I know He is using you here very powerfully, and you know it, too. That's all I can say right now.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I do not call knowing outside the confines of religion darkness! I see love and light in my daily life. I have little ones and family I adore and love fills my time. I feel for those who leave themselves behind all the wonders of the world, locked in my beliefs.

I can prove that you do not believe what you profess to, but you would never take the test or believe the results!
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'd like to see that test if ya don't mind. You are probably right. Couldn't nun of us pass it but it might be educational??
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You confessed, "I get to look at stuff your religion forbids you to know." Hmmm. Now, what could that be? You don't call that darkness when compared to Jesus' glorious light? You don't call that worshiping God's creation more than God? You don't call that loving what you're looking at more than the statutes of God? The Bible says, if you are loving this life, you're going to lose it; if you hate this life, you will save it. Why? Because if you're living for Christ, you will be hated, but your reward is great in the kingdom of God.
  
  Look at it this way; if you reject Christ and keep your heart hardened, this world is the most heaven you will ever see. If you are letting Christ live through you, this is the most hell you will ever see.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
OK here is the test.
You need half a prozac tablet. This is for brain chemistry adjustment 48 hours after, so you do not feel depressed from the change in seratonin uptake, or the 48 hour syndrome.

In a comfortable place with time and privacy, have a light meal with some sugar in it. Don't worry everything has sugar these days!

With your doctor present if you are a religionist, {because the shock may give your sensibilities a decent kick in the what'sits
and you could have an anxiety attack.)

Take 130 Mgs of MMDA. Wait half an hour, and Hey Presto! Consciousness! empathy, and...... understanding your religiosity from the inside!
Read some of Alexander and Anne Shulgin some time, there are hundreds of such medicines today!

As I am fond of lightheartedly retorting to religious friends.
"I bet you can't say that with a normal level of seratonin!"
When the fear drops, so does the facade
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I feel that your childish "we small" universe "big" does not quite cut it as any sort of adult conversation! Both mark and myself do understand dimensions!
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Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago
After 7 days and 507 posts.

The contention here seems to be going no place.
Perhaps it is time to move on.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It seems to me that if someone does not claim to be Catholic-Christian, Judeo-Christian or of Islam, they shouldn't be here? earnestshub and Mark Knowles claim not to believe in "god". At least the rest of the participants had a lot of valuable information to add to the purpose of this very active thread. I don't see all the others still active, and I choose to leave earnestshub and Mark to discuss things they agree on...we got the whole deck playing, until the jokers showed up.
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  Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would just stop responding to them if you are do getting anywhere.
  But maybe you are learning.
  I think they have made a choice.
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Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago
Tantrum is as his name says.

Ignorant little child not understanding and throwing a fit because people do not tell him what he wants to hear.

Just let him be in all his love of evil.

You are tossing pearls before a pig!!!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  how childish of you kid !!! didn't you understand after all this posts that i can care less what you say about me? That i'm only making fun of you ? You're hilarious!
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Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago
If you starve an idiot of attention, they soon go away.
Or if they are really stupid, they will stay and starve to death!!!
Ignore him like you would any foolish clown called Tantrum.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It looks as you can never ignore me ,kid !!! you're always posting after me. !! It must be the law of attraction Good night ! !
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Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago
Check mate
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
This should be fun zealot to sock puppet zealot!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Then you may arrive at the conclusion that there is no god as I have
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who me? no way I know god for a fact , have got my proof ,became the Light myself.You will get your too.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
So Judah's daughter you own god, out of the hundreds of formal religions and thousands of other informal ones, only you are right. The odds of that being true are truly mind boggling!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God owns me! He created me and paid the price for my sins. I am a child of God, and you can be, too. It's simple ~ you need to give Him dominion over your heart ~ come home.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
So Judah's daughter you own god, out of the hundreds of formal religions and thousands of other informal ones, only you are right. The odds of that being true are truly mind boggling! smile
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Your "most high god" could walk under the carpet and not leave a bump! A nasty neurotic little god who kills everyone that Judah's daughter does not approve of from her selective readings from her crazed book of lies and contradictions.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Two fundies arguing over if the fairy has stripes or not, and it is hilarious!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its sad so many ugly wars have and are happening because of this foolishness as to who the greater prophet or religion is.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If it wasn't a matter of eternal life and death, no one would really care ~~ did you ever think about that? I hope someone will care enough to keep sharing the truth with you. If not, this is all you get. If it didn't get planted, there is no hope for you...unless you cry out to God for yourselves. The choice has always been yours. People know where we all stand, and we're all proud of where we stand. At least we can agree on that one. May God have mercy on your souls.
  
  Shaul ~ it's time to move on ~ no more Christian activity going on here, except for myself. Thanks for your contribution and for all the Christians who contributed.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I died became the Light or god and came back, I know eternity for myself and I am the ETERNAL LIGHT.
  Now I work for god and he hates the fact that people fight stupidly over their religion or prophet.Why are they so blind cant they see there is only one god and all the prophets and religions are equally dear to him as they all lead to him.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your "light" lied to you. Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by Him. Not all gods lead to God. What you believe is a lie. You may have been brought back by the powers of darkness to spread more lies, and/or you were brought back to find the light before it's too late. A second chance. I have no more to say. I'm done ~ I'm outta here.
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and you are fighting with them so you should stop and think, that you add fuel to the fire
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its my job to show the oneness of prophets and religions, to stop this fighting and I am qualified to do so.
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you every really listened to what the others are saying, have you read the three holy books
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have ONE HOLY BOOK AND ONE HOLY GOD. If you read three or five thousand, it doesn't matter to me. Carry on with all the others here that believe as you do. I don't listen to lies. I know the real bill and counterfeit doesn't add any value at all.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am an enlightened one , do you understand the meaning of that?
  Do you think my knowledge is so little and that's the reason my work is ranked so high?
  Please give me a break.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then have your chats with others that are following your same path. I don't follow your god or any other gods; only the One True God. You guys go on and have a productive thread. There's no need for me here anymore.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think someone ranked over The Holy Bible is speaking of some false god and you are speaking of a true god? You are only fooling and trying to convince yourself.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Need I be more clear? I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Jesus is within me.
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What I am trying to say is that all three religions have there points, and that if they could only see that then and only then well they get along. It is like a child who does don't like her mother and her mother does not like her mother which is one who started the family with out one you could not have the other.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You do see the oneness of god and I am trying to make these two warring parties see that and create peace.I believe in sharing knowledge which lead to understanding then peace and love.
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes I do see it but the funny thing is, I am a Christian but my if you will read my first post on hear you will under stand me.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I fight for the Lord and only for the Lord. At least someone stayed in here long enough to try ~ perhaps you'd care to take over?
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The funny thing is you are both fighting for the same god.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's only because you don't know GOD. We are not fighting for the same God. Islam molests babies and little girls as child brides...you shall know them by their fruits. Islam doesn't believe Jesus is God, so their God is not my God.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Islam teaches peace like Christianity does.
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myra636posted 15 years ago
Ok I see that both of you have to win which makes no sense to me. If you all ways argue then you are never willing to learn. Some times you just need to stop and listen to each other.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
And so folks the christian zealot aint talkin to the muslim zealot cause he follows the wrong god!
Any questions about the wars in the middle east anyone?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible tells me I don't have to converse with you or any other religious person that has a hardened heart. I do so with hope, but when there appears to be no hope, I have no reason to continue to discuss the truth with you. The Bible says I am casting pearls before swine. There are many more passages that tell me if you don't hear, I am to go on to the next "city". Also, I'm not to engage in foolish controversies. Avoid men such as these...look it up yourself. You seem to be reading the Bible ~ and what's the motive of your heart? God only cares about the condition of your heart. I am done speaking with you earestshub, and also video lost, tantrum, mohitmisra, and Mark Knowles. If Jesus came tonight, you know exactly where you'd stand. I'm not your Judge, but the Word of God is. He will be the One you stand or fall before...I did my best. Now, off to more productive ministry.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ... and typical of a fundamentalist you are condescending. You do not yet understand that you worship a monster created by a bunch of men to control the likes of you. You are just plain sad. Go back to bullying fools!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
And so now folks the christian zealot lists the names of the biblical offenders and pulls the plug. Reminds me of someone else a few weeks ago who could not handle any disussion either, and despite coming on like Sampson, wiggled of like a worm!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would anyone want to talk with you guys? You accuse me of being full of hate? I've only shared the truth with you, and how much more do you want to hear? Or are you just enjoying this, feeling like demons do as they torment souls in hell? Let me tell you something; I don't need to stay here and give you more to mock. The saints need to be ministered to and loved. They are His. And if they are also enduring spirits like you, all the more they need to be edified and encouraged. So, be gentlemen and chat with each other and either agree or disagree, for it all leads down the same path. At least you have that in common. One thing I can say is, I'm the only Christian voice left here, and obviously I had more patience with you guys than anyone else. I can respectfully exit this thread now.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
Shiyloh says:
If the 2 cannot agree, then how can they walk together?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no fellowship between light and darkness. That's the answer.
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no darkness only misunderstanding
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shiyloh says:
  Then in love, the light would then withdraw it's light.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
SO THERE! (stamps foot runs of to convert some poor dozey bastard)
She'll be back folks!
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
Shiyloh says:
Love moves in wisdom, understanding, meekness, humility and compassion.
At all times, and if it must correct, this too is done with love.
If correction is not received, love moves on in love.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
Shiyloh says:
Love does not boast.
Love does not need approval from others.
Love seeks no title.
Love is needless.
Love does not praise itself, rather let's another.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its the truth- simple truth.A person who loves should not try to put down a highly ranked poet and on the contrary should accept truth for what it is and be nice to a spiritual writer devoting his energies in spreading god knowldge .
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  at last I see someone making sense and not fighting
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shiyloh says:
  Love needs no defense and nothing can defend against love.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You decide to teach a person ranked over the Bible and Quran?
  Thats ego and not love.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
look folks the zealot muslim and the zealot christian are at it again! Swapping rubbish about pretend deities. Oh such fun!
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Oldy,
  
  That's a dialogue for knowledge exchange, nothing else.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey dogs breath, I enjoyed your ageist remark, you are showing your ignorance at the same time as your arrogance, a good show to watch! Swapping cut & paste!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  earnestshub, why can't you at least be respectful ~ why must you be so ugly-spirited toward others? You can say you don't agree, but you're acting very immaturely.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think videolost has been disrespectful as well. Maybe if he writes some hubs ,we could respect him more ? Don't you think ?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That was one of the most respectful posts you've made yet, Tantrum. Everyone at least should be respectful in their disagreements in order to be respected by all viewers ~ in my most respectful opinion.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes I'm respectful, sometimes, agressive... you should know by now that I'm a joker ! an atheist joker, anway !
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the word ageist may be outside your understanding or is this "support my team time" and to hell with the original remark I retorted to. Now that was immature, and this loony is a sock puppet I have known under his other sock puppet name for a long time, so go read his constant insults throughout his posts. He doesn't even have the courage to put up a profile and be a real person. Don't call me ugly spirited, or anything else until you drop your ugly assumptive inclusive statements.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This proves you are from the dark ages.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
Shiyloh says:
Love needs no defense and nothing can defend against love.
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  myra636posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you and on this note I say good night to all and be good to each other.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you will teach the person ranked over Bibles and Qurans?
  Thats ego and not love.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shiyloh says:
  Love is the greatest teacher.
  Love needs no rank nor title nor recognition of men.
  Love teaches love and in love is always teaching love.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will not try and teach someone ranked over Bibles and Qurans that would be foolish ego on my path.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shiyloh says:
  Love is not a rank.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Correct and someone trying to put down a person ranked so highly is love and not ego.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
Shiyloh says:
Love points to love and not a rank or title.
Love is meek and humble.
Love is not putting down.
Love is edifying towards something greater.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So a meek and humble person teaches the one raked over the Bible and Quran.Very nice philosophy. Grandmaster.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shiyloh says:
  Love teaches ones who can receive.
  Love gives light.
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  Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you mean 'ranked'. We only rake over hot coals
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ha sorry Thank god there people like you have nice things to say when my work gets highly ranked, but I guess everyone cannot be so humble especially not grandmasters like Shiyloh.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shiyloh says:
  Love is sincere in all it says.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes grandmaster Shiyloh, spiritual poets need to learn from you. Your humbleness is astounding.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
Shiyloh says:
If one can no longer be taught, they chose to stop receiving love.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago
"Thats ego and not love."....."is love and not ego"

Shiyloh says:
Love is not confused.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes grandmaster,my books rankings are rubbish since you insist and I suppose the Bible and Quran are also nonsense and one must listen to you a meek and humble person.
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khmohsinposted 15 years ago
Well this seems to be a long discussion. I have created hub about basics of Islam, give it a look and share your reviews.
http://hubpages.com/hub/what-is-islam-undesrtand-basics
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you are Muslim, you don't believe Jesus is Almighty God; therefore, the root of the faith is not of the same tree. In God's church, Jesus is the atonement for sins (His death and resurrection). You stated in your hub the following: "Thirst for religious knowledge and the pursuit of it atones for one’s previous sins.” Need I say more? And how do you justify the marrying of 20-year-old Muslim males to babies up to 10-year old girls, and polygamy at that ~ the sexual molestation "rights" you have? This is not of God or His Word.
  
  A MUSLIM SHARES HIS EXPERIENCE WITH JESUS CHRIST!: http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/test … afshin.wmv
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Many Christians have converted to Islam.
  Be careful about cursing me using Jesus name as these things multiply and bounce back very badly.You are using the name in vain and have no right to say in the name of Jesus as you have no connection with him.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Their roots were not deep enough. The word says that the ignorant will be led astray by false teachers. It is the seed of truth that is planted, then is either eaten by the birds, choked by thorns, and so forth. His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (the Bible). Those who are not grounded in the Bible fall victim, but if their heart is pure, God will bring them out. Now, I have no more conversation with you, as I said before. You are LOST as well; and enjoy it also, while you have the time.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Remember my work is ranked over most editions of the Bible so if I am lost so was Jesus and all of humanity including you.
  Only a person who doesn't know god can say his prophet or religion is the best and only true one .Once you get to know god you stop talking like this .
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First of all tell me at which age the baby is called a baby ???
  
  Do you call 10 and half year old baby as well ???
  
  By the way if Westerners do not mind having more than one mistresses apart from their wives. Infact now a days these so called advanced and rich societies do not even marry and prefer to sleep for 6 months with one and another six months of the year with another woman. Then why do you mind on having more than one wives upto 4. Literally speaking, Polygamy and Islamic Hijab are the solutions for your problems of rape, adultry, incest and illegitimacy.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have either of you found god? So on what basis is your religion better than the other.?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible shows polygamy in the days that women lost their husbands and could not provide for themselves ~ there was a righteous reason. Children were never married as babies or even 10 1/2 year olds! Children are children! The Bible calls adultry adultry and fornication fornication. It's not condoned, as your child molestation is. Child molestation is a crime in the U.S., which is not even a basis of Christianity, but MORALITY. I will say, your religion is SICK and TWISTED to be condoning marriage of men to small little girls who haven't even reached puberty!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
  
  Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is some christian loving right there. I do like it when one religionist goes off on another one. And I think this aptly demonstrates Carrie Bradshaw's true personality.
  
  I wonder how long before "Judah's Daughter," has to hide behind yet another sock puppet.
  
  Thank you Carrie - for reminding my why I do not subscribe to your ridiculous belief system. You have pushed me away from it once again. I am sure Jesus is very proud.
  
  All your religion is good for is causing conflict.
  
  See above.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What, are you a child molester, too? Wouldn't surprise me...you're known as a woman-hater, too. How could I push you away from something you never accepted? You keep saying I'm hiding? lol ~~ it's all over my profile, the facts of why I changed profile names. Carrie was a fictitious name, and yet you still claim my name as Carrie. Yes, I have another profile under Carrie Bradshaw (from Sex and the City) ~ so, you can see why I would change my name when I started writing about my faith. Carrie Bradshaw's profile is still being blessed and read regularly, and deals with false doctrine. I don't owe you any explanation, but for the readers that are following along. You expose your heart loudly, and so do I. Standing up against child molestation is the right thing to do. You, obviously, condone it.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  Accusing me of things I have never done and lying will not help persuade me that you are anything other than the ugly person you are showing yourself to be.
  
  It is going some way to persuading me that your religion is garbage that creates conflicts.
  
  Me pointing out that you attacking another person's religion for promoting "unacceptable practices," and at the same time defending the "unacceptable" practices that yours promotes as being "righteous" for the time is pretty hypocritical.
  
  But - it just goes to show that your ridiculous beliefs cause nothing but conflict.
  
  I hope you one day learn not to spread this much hatred and intolerance. And no - that does not mean I encourage child abuse.
  
  And I was not aware that Carrie Bradshaw was a personality stolen from a TV show - I thought it was a real person.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So now you know, that when I started making income from HubPages, as well as writing on spiritual matters, it was the right thing to do. That profile is still getting daily reads, and addresses cults ~ so, thank God even the name Carrie Bradshaw is fictitious, so when the offended pray against her, she really doesn't exist Glad to know you at least state you are not for child abuse and call it for what it is; all in the name of the Muslim religion. That's my intolerance, not hatred. For them to evangelize the world that they serve the one true God and yet this obvious abomination is allowed and blessed within their sacred doctrine, it is appauling!!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - so not all sins are the same? And pretending to be some one (lying) is not as bad as child abuse.
  
  Marrying more than one wife is OK - but only when it is a righteous decision. Not when the Muslims say so.
  
  And having sex with your son is OK - as long as there are no other males around and they need feeding (righteous).
  
  And accusing me of something I would not do is also OK. (Attacking non believers is righteous).
  
  Interesting moral code you have. Quite honestly - it is ugly, insulting people like you who persuaded me that there is no god.
  
  Thank you. I appreciate it.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did I lie? I've posted it all over HubPages. My motive was not to lie, but to have fun. Polygamy is in the Bible and for good reason. If that reason still exists in the Muslim countries, then so be it. A mother having sex with her son is NOT condoned in the Bible. In the church at Corinth, a son was having sex with his father's wife. He was cast out of the church to be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his soul might be saved in the last day. Incest is not condoned. You didn't speak out against, but rather quoted my statement about child molestation, when you commented against my reaction to this practice, which would make you to appear to condone such things. I didn't accuse you; I asked you! You then clarified where you stand. I never claim to be sinless, as one sin is not greater than another (but I am forgiven because of the blood of Jesus). Sin is going against the Word of God, not stating it is God's will that I sin. Muslims condone molestation of children (as their wives, so I guess it's ok?) as being something holy and guaranteeing their entry to heaven. That's twisted and sick. That's worse than sin ~ to accuse our Heavenly Father of condoning such things that He HATES. It's an ABOMINATION.
  
  There is only one UNFORGIVABLE SIN in the Bible and that is to say the Holy Spirit is unclean. So, to say God, the Holy Spirit, condones child molestation would most likely qualify as such!! I am not to judge, but to speak the Word of God; the Word of God will judge all on the last day.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know - your god does a lot of HATING. And you know what he HATES.
  
  I can't remember what JESUS said about tolerating other irrational beliefs. And really - making this all about your DISGUST for other IRRATIONAL BELIEFS is rather silly.
  
  What is your real name?
  
  And yes - you lie when you accuse me of condoning sex with children when I point out your hypocrisy.
  
  But - lets face it - you are only here for a fight.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've tolerated your irrational beliefs, or rather ungodly beliefs. I've already told you my real name ~ I challenge you to find that comment for yourself. I didn't accuse you of condoning sex with children; I asked you. As far as a fight? Well, the Bible says we don't wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and rulers of darkness in the spirit realm. I'm not wrestling against you; the Spirit of God is contending with your father's spirits. This is why you continue to stay in the dark, Mark. The god of this world (Satan) has blinded you. Jesus is the light and of course, darkness hates the light and God HATES the ruler of this world and what he's doing to God's creation ~ that being you, as well. God created you and He does love you, but you still don't know that love. What you don't realize is, I'm fighting FOR your soul and trying to protect others from the false doctrines that follow false gods.
  
  The Bible also says, "What fellowship has light with darkness?" The answer: NONE. If you want to seek the light, then keep doing so; if you want to fight the light, then keep doing so. You accuse me (yes, Satan means Accuser) of being the fighter, it takes two to fight. You are fighting as well!! Again, I'm fighting for you and you are fighting against God.
  
  There will be spiritual warfare as long as there is time to save souls. As I shared, we don't fight flesh and blood, but the spirits of darkness. The Apostle Paul says in 2 Tim 4:7-8, "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing."
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cut the rest of it out so we can see what "asking" means........
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What, are you a child molester, too? (that's a question), and as far as being known as a woman hater? I quote you from another forum: "Even though the scripture states quite clearly that you are subservient to me. Oh well. I tried. No matter - you are just female and worthless. We men came first. So it is written......" FACT IS FACT. Would you make such a statement about your MOTHER?!
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  wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Man, you took that way too literally. He was being facetious, can't you see that? Just quoting what he thinks YOU believe, not stating that himself. Why is there so much LITERAL interpretation of things? Sheds light on some things for me.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is exactly what Mark stated; not me. You've got to be kidding ~ that I believe women are worthless? NOT!!! Read for yourself ~ or anyone, for that matter: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/15862?page=33
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  wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know that's exactly what he stated. He's saying these are the things YOU must believe as they are written that way in the Bible. Glad you don't believe women are worthless. Again, he was being FACETIOUS.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is not what I believe. Mark thinks all women are subservient to men. The Bible speaks of the husband and wife in the Lord, not male to female in general. He doesn't understand the context of scripture, obviously. If you want to know what I teach and believe, I have a hub about it: http://hubpages.com/hub/Your-Daughters-Shall-Prophesy
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark thinks no such thing. Liar.
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/15862
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, even this quote is what you're using to make such a false claim; that all women are to be subservient to men. You stated I am to be subservient to you? I'm not your wife! You refuse the correct knowledge, as I've given you the Biblical teaching in my hub. You simply don't want to know the truth, but use scripture out of context, which is exactly what the Adversary does to oppress God's children.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is what god said - not me.
  
  If you want to go against the word of god............
  
  And if that means I hate women and have sex with children......
  
  "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church, for Adam was formed first, then Eve." 1 Corinthians 14:34-36
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says." The women of that day were not taught the Torah. Jewish males were not only to memorize the Torah, but also write it in Hebrew, every word. There's so much more you need to understand. Again, I invite you to read my hub, so you don't appear ignorant of the truth.
  
  Galatians 3:25 "Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."
  
  Galatians 3:28 "Because all of you are one in the Messiah Jesus, a person is no longer a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a male or a female."
  
  Paul clarifies oneness in the Lord in 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 "However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God."
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I get it now - you do not need to follow the rules if you can find some excuse that fits.
  
  The only reason the "women of the day" were forbidden from preaching is because - they were ignorant - not because Eve was created after Adam.
  
  And the law does not apply to "women of today," so I guess none of the law applies.
  
  So the bible lies and is wrong also. Interesting. And you base your hate-filled existence on this rubbish?
  
  I am not interested in reading your excuses as to why the law does not apply to you. Nor am I ignorant of the hypocrisy of you preaching - against the word of the Lord.
  
  Because you have "interpreted" it to not apply to you.
  
  Take it from me - if I chose to, I could "interpret" just about anything I liked to suit myself.
  
  Which is what you all do.
  
  Which is why your religion is worthless.
  
  Which is why your god does not exist.
  
  Oh dear.......................
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, hey, why don't you become a Jew and follow all 613 Laws of God, Moses and the Rabbinic laws? Why base your faith on what anyone else thinks? I have hubs on the Old and New Covenants and the Torah: The Law of Moses. Read up and learn something that will set you free. He set me free; and the Word says, He that the Son has set free is free indeed! Amen.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So I am free to ignore the ones I don't like? I am already free of irrational beliefs (well, the ones including this rubbish.)
  
  And I certainly do not base my belief system on what some one else thinks. I prefer to do my own thinking.
  
  What a useless pathetic belief you have. You can just change it to suit. God forbids women to preach? No problem. That only applies to women of that day. Nothing to do with Adam being "created" before Eve like it actually says.
  
  RAmen
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Paul indeed puts the responsibility of sin on Eve in 1 Corinthians, while he then puts the responsibility of sin on Adam in Romans 5:12-14 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him (Christ) who is to come.”
  
  Now, about women preaching....did you know there were women apostles? http://www.churchofgoddfw.com/monthly/junia.shtml Even in the day of Paul! Hmmm...must be a mystery here. I suggest you read my hub, "Your Daughters Shall Prophesy". Again, believe what YOU want to believe. Jesus came to set us free from oppression. The letter kills, but there is liberty in Christ, which is all throughout the New Testament. Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth.
  
  Do you have any of these foundational teachings in your hubs, Mark? If so, please refer me to them ~~
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no mystery. None. Not one bit. Ever since that book was written people have interpreted it to suit themselves and insisted that everyone else needs follow the law. Exactly the way you are doing now. Fortunately, you have proven your opinion and demeanor to be worthless, hate mongering so I can feel free to ignore how you think I should behave.
  
  As I said - I am not really interested in your excuses - you have proven that you do not really follow your book and can interpret it however you like.
  
  Which makes it worthless.
  
  And causes fights.
  
  And proves there is no god.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, if you know history of Corinthians Church, you would know they were very different then other churches. The direction of conduct were recommended specifically for them only not for other churches.
  
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just doing what your book tells me.
  
  And - just so we are clear - why are you GOING AGAINST scripture?
  
  You truly are the ugliest religionist I have come across here.
  
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, if you want to be correctly educated on this teaching, read my hub on the subject: http://hubpages.com/hub/Your-Daughters-Shall-Prophesy
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really interested in your war mongering. Sorry. Still - why are you going against the word of the lord?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I rightly divide the word of truth; it is you who use it to oppress others, and women, especially!! See, you reject the teaching of the Word of God yet again, because you'd rather stay in darkness.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tell me when children get puberty both male and female ???
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judah Daughter,
  
  You forgot to answer my above question for discussing the allegation of child molestation
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't talk to child molesters.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But i neither molested a child nor am i allowed
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judah Daughter,
  
  If you have the courage to talk on that topic then answer my question "Tell me when children get puberty both male and female ???
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you condone adult males (age 20+) marry and have sexual activity with babies to very young girls in the Muslim religion? (This is a question; not an accusation) Maybe you have not "molested" a child (through blessed marriage to one or more), but if you're a Muslim father, you are guaranteed heaven if you let your baby girl get married and be molested by a young male Muslim. What would you do? Considering you could be killed if you answer that contrary to the Muslim religion, you don't have to answer.
  
  If Muslim males marry at 20, then so should their females be, in my opinion. Why aren't their males marrying at 5 years old? Maybe have a 20+ year old female marry a 5 year old boy and go to town! Do what they will, but what's so offensive is that they claim to follow the God of the Bible!
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judah's Daughter,
  
  I know when i exposed your Holy Bible you became violent from that onwards. But i was bound to show off the truth. I am sorry if i hurt your feelings.
  
  Dear, in Islam, when ever a child gets puberty, he / she is fully allowed to satisfy their sexual needs, not in a way the westerners do by allowing their children to have friends of opposite sex, hanging out together, having fun and in the deception of all this juveniles both males and females in the west lose their virginity. After wards they get used to having different partners for short period of times and does not prefer to marry then. Marriage is just like a cage to these so many illegitimates of the west which are brought up in the filthiest of societies like that where they prefer to get raped rather than getting married.
  
  As i said, Islam take care of all the inner and outer instincts of both male and female whether child or adult but it's under a certain domain. Islam allows both male and female adults to have sex just after getting puberty (not before that) but in the bound of marriage, a long lasting family building relationship. Both adult males and females are allowed to get married to opposite sex above or below their ages, their is no compulsion on that. Also science tells us that males normally get puberty at the age of 12-13 and females get it at 10-11. Now if some 11 year old girl or a 13 year old boy wants to get married for fulfilling their desires and start their family lives then what's wrong in that.
  
  Of course, the choice is yours now, whether you continue educating your school and high school going children to have safe sex or to get molested and raped by fellows or educating them to get married after getting puberty and lead a healthy family wise life, bringing forward legitimate children to our earth.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Does the following from your Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini sound like the boundaries you've just set here? That children (young people) get married at puberty? I've shown this before, and yet you are not addressing the sexual pleasure with babies, sodomy of children and a permanent place in heaven for allowing this?!!
  
  "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomizing the child is OK. If a man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister. . . It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's house. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
  
  Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Tahrirolvasyleh, volume 4 (Gom, Iran: Darol Elm, 1990), p. 186."
  
  Check out photos 2, 3 and 5 in the second row and the last photo in the third row on Google images: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&a … mp;ndsp=18
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judah's Daughter,
  
  Only one link of images is mentioned by you in which some images were repeated. The reference of Ayatollah Khomeini which you mentioned is not there on internet. I searched a lot but did'nt found. What you are doing is part of degrading the regime of Iran by making use of mere LIES.
  
  I have already mentioned you the true concept of Islam in this regard, so the things which you are mentioning are LIES or OUT OF CONTEXT or DRAMATIZATION of a territorial custom of a certain place. Also i explained you the normal ages at which adults can marry as per science.
  
  Moreover, i explained you the dark and sinister concepts and practices of the so called modernized and westernized societies in treating their children, making them 100% vulnerable to get involved in adultry or rape in schools and high schools under the guise of art, love, humanity, equality, gender less society, working and living together life phenomenons, hanging out together in pubs, party and bikini cultures etc etc etc.
  
  The following BBC link shows the increasing number of bans on sex offenders which ultimately depicts you have got a real huge problem of sex offenders in your schools from where your so called leaders of the world emerge.
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7301530.stm
  
  Also have a look at the following report of the authorized organization by the name of BIO MEDICINE.
  
  http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-ne … e-20772-2/
  
  Keep in mind when ever you quote to degrade Islam, quote from some authorized links. And first check it up yourself and then forward it. The Ayatollah reference which you gave is not found any where.
  
  Besides all that, i have also got some beautiful links of almost all of your popes, priests and nuns found guilty in adultry, rape and murdering illegitimate children. Of course, sex is a by default natural instinct of a human and if church discourages marriages then obviously the result will be devilish just as it is happening.
  
  Now tell me my dear, what's your opinion ??? Do you agree with the marriage culture of Islam after getting puberty or you will prefer getting involved in the safe sex, adultry, molestation, rape and illegitimate children phenomenons of Churches, ISM based dogmas and Freemasonry.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, I will forward the email to you I received that places the quote I posted and photos together. There is much more information in that email documentation than I posted here. If it is false, that is awful, and I was merely hoping someone would address it and respond to it. It was shocking, and I needed some answers. When everyone ignored it, it appeared it was true.
  
  Secondly, I am not Catholic. The preventing of marriage is also admonished in the Bible; I know the Apostle Paul said it is better to remain unmarried in order to devote oneself fully to God, and perhaps this is why they require this of their priests (but it should rather be an option, not a requirement, even for their nuns). I, too feel appauled that there are reports of sexual sin within the priesthood, as I'm sure the Catholic members are also.
  
  Thirdly, child molestation is a huge problem in this country, so if what you've said is true, it's appauling that there is even a "territorial custom" anywhere that claims molesting of child brides is okay and ordained by God. But then again, Satanism involves things that are unspeakable also. This country has freedom of religion, including Satanism, as long as they don't get caught breaking the law. Every country has religions that may worship God or other gods/idols...paganism, etc.
  
  The U.S. does not condone breaking of any of these laws you spoke of, but keep in mind, much of the liberalism and lack of right and wrong is not associated with God-fearing believers or the law of the land.
  
  Lastly, even in our Country, back in the early days, people did not live as long and therefore, they married in their teens (at puberty) so they could bear more children. Personally, I think this would prevent a lot of teen pregnancy out of wed-lock, abortions and so forth, if we still practiced this in America. But, because of the education needed to obtain a job to provide for one's family and the age limit to rent or buy a home, it all works to force the population to follow the adult guidelines. Obviously, law or saying "NO" doesn't stop humanity from doing what's its going to do, with serious social consequences.
  
  I'm just dead-set against child molestation of any sort, as anyone would be, that is of sound mind.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will be waiting for your email. And child molestation is obviously wrong but when the case is as i presented you regarding Islam on marriages does not show any child molestation at all. If you are still not convinced then i will be looking forward to the point which you are not convinced at.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Through HubPages, I can't send the entire email with the photos, too. I emailed you asking you to respond, so I have an actual email address to forward this to. I hope you received my contact.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, i did'nt. Here is my email usmanali81@gmail.com
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Video Lost (usmanali81), I received your reply, but my gmail won't open it. Would you please re-send it for me? Thank you so much :-)
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your game! Try running your virus checker.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was able to read it finally. I have replied to usmanali81. Thank you.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Hey sock puppet! You still full of religious hate eh?
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
The same way you justify rape and murder in your book!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Earnestshub, you are LOST and there is no more conversation with you. You refuse to understand the things of God. I will tell you that God uses Satan to execute His wrath. These practices are not condoned in the grace of God. If you don't believe; you don't believe. The wisdom of God is foolishness to man and your spiritual eyes are blinded by the god of this world. Enjoy it while you can.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As usual you have absolutely nothing except blind faith in a hateful messed up deity from a book of lies. your "holier than thou" remarks make good comedy!
  I do not need a hate filled sky fairy, and nor does this planet or it's occupants. You are ignorant of the sciences, medicine and self. I feel sorry for you.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have not shown any hate toward you, only rebuke. You, on the other hand, openly show your hatred of God and His children, which proves God's word is true.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See you should learn to read. Your posts are riddled with hate and intolerance, but you do not have to say it yourself, you quote it from your crazed book, that way it is "god" that makes all the threats of eternal damnation and horrible death for those who don't agree with you. Gutless!
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