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Why Don' t More Christian Hubbers Follow Jesus' Example?

  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image74
    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago

    Naturally, my title is designed to raise hackles (and interest...smile ). Aren't most Topic thread titles on this site!

    What I mean is this: Jesus, as depicted in the Gospels, spent most of his time:

    a) denouncing people (Pharisees, etc) who got wrapped in this or that doctrine, and religious debate, while ignoring the spirit of the message...

    b) ministering to the worst off: the poor, the lame, the sick, the blind, the outcast.

    In a world where there four billion people struggling to get by on less than the equivalent of ten dollars a day, is it not an enormous waste of time to focus on these miniscule doctrinal details? Is that what Jesus did?

    Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he be in Latin America, or India, or Africa, tending to the poor?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...Although Jesus told us to help the poor, He considered the Spiritual aspect much more important.

      Mark 14 tells of the woman who used up a box of very precious ointment on His head, and when some people said it was a waste, that it would've been better to have sold it and given the money to the poor,  He replied "...ye have the poor with you always,.....but Me ye have not always".

      That's why I consider all the current debate about money in the U.S. to be the bottom-of-the-barrel topic, a distraction from the moral issues that are taking a back seat to it, and taking us down into the moral/social degradation we're facing.
      Money "talks";  money issues talk.  ...The love of money is the root of all evil....

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image74
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This is quite a good quote, in response, I must say. But still, if you look at the overall pattern of Jesus' life, it was definitely focused on the poor and the outcast. As to immorality, does he not say of the adulterer "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?" Otherwise, I can't think of a single reference where Jesus' mentions sexual morality, though he certainly mentions financial corruption (Jesus in the Temple) and greed, ie,. rampant capitalism (marketeers even allowed in God's house).

        My favourite rebuttal, in any case, is Matthew chapter 25.

        Best wishes

        1. Make  Money profile image70
          Make Moneyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually I see both perspectives in Matthew chapter 25 AdsenseStrategies.  I see Brenda's perspective in verses 14 to 30, the parable about the talents.

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image74
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            To be frank, I have always had a problem with the verse about the anointing mentioned above

        2. Kharisma1980 profile image61
          Kharisma1980posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There are many people who believe that Jesus' words about "you will always have the poor with you" were either 1) sarcastic; or 2) an acknowledgement of how things will probably be, in distinction from how God wants things to be. Either way, Christians are not misguided in their attempts to eradicate destitution in all its forms.

      2. Friendlyword profile image61
        Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        True. In Uganda, they are willing to turn down international monetary assistance so they can Murder Gay People in their country without outside interference.  That's is their cure for the spread of Aids in their country; murder their citizens. Money the root of all evil?...I dont think so.

        1. TheGlassSpider profile image81
          TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The passage that Brenda has misquoted actually states that, "Love of money is the root of ALL SORTS OF evils."

          Evil, as you have so succinctly and aptly pointed out, has many roots.

      3. Shadesbreath profile image88
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Read:  "There are parts of the Bible that excuse me from doing actual good work, allowing me instead to "work" on the "spiritual" which requires no significant effort or sacrifice, but sounds fantastic!" 

        Selective reading is FUN!  And there's an endless supply of rules to justify anything in that book as long as you know where to look.

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think he would be in Montecarlo

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        Denno66posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You have a great face. big_smile

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      SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      First He would tell them they are forgiven if they came to Him. He would then heal them and feed them.

      A quick question for you. Who feeds more poor than any other group or belief system in the world?

      Now a testimony. Recently at my home church we had a clothing drive. Everyone brought in clothes, that were still good mind you, to give away to anyone who needed or wanted them. Anyone who was there got fed also.

      Before Thanksgiving we gave away a lot of food baskets to those in need. Not sure how much we gave out but I know of at least 30 turkeys were given away.

      The church works on behalf of those in need be it food or whatever else might be needed. I know of utility bills being paid a few times for those who are in need.

    4. Bibowen profile image90
      Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm a Christian, but I don't think it's a bad question and is one that should be regularly addressed. I think the simple answer is sin. The Christian is saved from the penalty of sin, but not its daily reality. In fact, when we look in the Bible at those that are called "righteous" or "just" we see a mixed bag. We have Moses who was a murderer, Lot who had an incestuous relationship with his daughters, and David who was both a murderer and an adulterer. Very few are portrayed as "saints."

      As for (a) you are right but he also denounced them because they did not keep the law as well. In some cases, they had not kept the literal teaching and had done as they pleased. As for (b) an honest appraisal of our situation is that most charitable groups are Christian or Christian-related. They provide much of the money and the construction of institutions that support the disadvantaged.

      Is there room for improvement? Sure. But, I ask you, who is setting the example to call Christians to a higher standard of charity than they already exhibit?

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image74
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's true that religious groups in general (Muslim groups too, for example) often put the rest of us to shame on this front. It just seems to me that that Christians might have a particular burden or duty, in some sense -- look at (the second half of) Matthew chapter 25 (I know I keep going on about it, but, hey, I kinda like it...)

        1. Bibowen profile image90
          Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Matthew 25 passage is a great one to highlight our Lord's concern for those that are disadvantaged, but I don't follow you how it is that the Christian has a greater obligation to be a humanitarian than anyone else. If it's right to be charitable, then it's a burden that befalls all who can give irrespective of their faith.

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image74
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You're right. Hard to deny. I suppose the difference is that a non-believer does not risk the charge of hypocrisy if he does not pursue this course... I think that's it, is it?

            1. Bibowen profile image90
              Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Perhaps, but I'd rather try and fail and run the risk of being called a "hypocrite" in the process than to be someone who never tried to do better, whose only virtue was that he was "consistent."

        2. buraq profile image60
          buraqposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Muslims never put shame on you. And ya christians are brothers to muslim. If you read the life of Muhammad (S.A.W.S), u will never find him accusing any christians of anything, rather just one belief is a dispute in between. You believe Jesus was crucified and muslims believe there is no strength in this universe which can cause death to Jesus except god.
          If i recall through traditions the plight of neo converted muslims at the time  of Muhammad (S.A.W.S), it was very hard for them to live in Mecca at the time alongwith Pagan Arabs and they had to flee fearing repercussions and they were in a truce with Abyssinian hence they were granted the asylum. And the ruler of Abyssinia at that time was An Naghachi and he was a Christian Ruler.

          1. UPStar profile image60
            UPStarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sad how many Christians are brutally murdered by radical muslims for thier faith in Jesus. Check out Pakistan and Burma for instance.

            1. Paraglider profile image88
              Paragliderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It's usually a divisive tactic to single out the wrongs of one group while ignoring the wrongs of another. But if division is what you're after, go right ahead...

              1. 50 Caliber profile image61
                50 Caliberposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Divisiveness is a sad tactic that is used by most who reside on any side of these issues. Each puffs themselves up in their own definition of righteousness, fast to point out the short comings of others, fast to boast of their own great acts of generosity.
                It seems to be an ongoing state of being. When in fact we should not let the right hand know of the left hands action. If the left hand gives greatly and the right knows not, then it can be a great reward. Instead one gives a gift with one hand and brags about it with their mouth as their other hand gathers stones to throw as their mind judges an-others actions to be worthy of the stones.
                Seems like a vicious, evil circle. 
                As long as one practices this path there will forever be divisive nature in these discussions?/arguments?
                I prefer to judge my own actions and not let them negatively effect another, on purpose, even though it may still be done by accident. In these cases I hope to be judged in the end as blameless.
                So if you feel you have been pushed to the bottom, remember there are those who will still look up to you, because they have found the bottom holds an easier path to walk.

    5. aguasilver profile image88
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Must say that even though your intent is to cause dissension, I agree with you, and besides, Jesus Himself came here to cause dissension and He still does.

      Let's go point by point:

      a)  denouncing people (Pharisees, etc) who got wrapped in this or that doctrine, and religious debate, while ignoring the spirit of the message...

      I'd disagree that Christ spent MOST of His time doing this, he just knew that where he saw Satan's hand at work in peoples lives, he needed to take the authority back from Satan and demonstrate Gods authority and power.

      Neither Christ nor modern Christians need to actually 'do' anything to be attacked by the Pharisees or anyone else who see them for the threat they are, to the worlds self willed attempts to run their lives, either in or outside any religious system.

      Some folk get enticed to run their lives without God, others get enticed to run their lives with the god of their creation.

      Christ chose to let God run His life according to Gods will.

      People who decide that Christ is the answer, rather than a problem to be dealt with, do the same.

      Detractors will always need to be dealt with, and one of their prime ploys is to mither "Is that very Christian" or "Jesus would be proud of you"  and Christ had the same problem with Pharisees attempting to trick him into saying something they could use against him.

      Jesus of course was perfect, whereas we believers are still human and therefore flawed.

      b) ministering to the worst off: the poor, the lame, the sick, the blind, the outcast.

      Again, agreed most of the instances recorded about his ministry do show Christ healing the sick, freeing those trapped in sin and generally taking care of other people, and again most believers will also be doing that in their daily lives.

      But when you live in a location where the poor, lame and sick are all taken care of by the state.....it's easy to shrug the obligation off

      In any case the definition of poor is vastly erroneous to the actual reality of poor, you quote living on $10 per day, I know pastors in Africa who feed families of 12 (including the children they 'adopt' when the parents die from AIDS) on $50 per month!

      It's easy to see how armchair Christians can say that their tithe and taxes cover their obligation, and their free will offerings to charity is more than sufficient, or that the local poor are all they need to deal with.

      And they are correct in part.

      Our body support DIRECTLY indigenous African pastors, childrens orphanages, street kids in Haiti, two missionary's working in New York with the 20,000 children of the dysfunctional Brooklyn children's families and local need cases, the local homeless (we feed 35-50 each week) and anybody who turns up at our door needing... and yes Matthew 25 is the 'rema' verse for our body, indeed it was started for that exact purpose.

      We are a 'core' body of about 50 and when we meet we see about another 100 souls join us, and believe me we are not rich and some of us would love to know we could guarantee $10 per day to live on!.

      But BEFORE Jesus dealt with peoples WORLD conditions, He first dealt with their SPIRITUAL problems.

      Take a look, in most records of His ministry, Christ STARTS by casting out the demons, loosing the bound and taking the ground and authority back from where the afflicted have lost it.

      Christianity is about taking back the ground that Satan has stolen from people.

      If we feed the homeless, they still need feeding next week, when we set them free (and where they want ot be set free) they can get off the streets and into a life again, but the KEY is in dealing with the SPIRITUAL problem before you can start dealing with the PHYSICAL manifestation of that problem.

      Our enemy, all of the worlds, is Satan who seeks to destroy and cares not whether it's by making someone destitute and hopeless or rich and powerful without God.

      His 'mantra' is; any way works as long as it keeps us away from Christ, and for as long as he can keep us doing it 'our way' he's winning against humanity, and the world gets to be worse each day.

      So the answer is clear and simple.

      Stop doing your will and start doing God will, and God's will when last recorded was to obey Christ.

      If we do that, then slowly but surely Satan will lose his grip on humanity and we could win them back soul by soul, street by street, town by town and finally country by country.

      But most reading this will make no change in their lives, unless it's a button on the remote control, so the world will continue to decline and when we get to a certain point, Christ will come back to deal with the problem.

      Until then, do as you will seems to be the way, rather than do as He wills.

      Our choice, choose wisely.

    6. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There are no "christians."
      A christian is defined as one who thinks he is following and emulating someone they know absolutely nothing about: jesus christ.
      They read an "incomplete" and highly corrupted book called the New testament and "believe" all aspects of the inanity of it!
      I've quoted P.T. Barnum many times because it's so appropos as it relates to all "monotheism:" "There's a sucker born every minute."

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friends

      Are Atheists tending the people in poor countries of Asia , Africa and Latin America?


      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, since their gods have not heard their prayers for food, atheists have no choice but to help feed the starving Christians and Muslims in those countries.

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend (Q)

          Please provide figures to verify that Atheists are doing it more than others.

          I am happy if they are doing it; humanity first.


          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Don't you mean, Allah first, Islam second and Muhammad third, all well before humanity?

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend (Q)

              Humanity to be served first.


              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Let me get this straight, are you now claiming that humanity comes first before Allah, Muhammad and Islam?

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That was only in connection with serving; humanity is first consideration; it is charity institution of our community.



                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                    (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You didn't answer the question, I'll restate it for a proper answer:

                    Let me get this straight, are you now claiming that humanity comes first before Allah, Muhammad and Islam?

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend (Q)

              Perhaps you mean Articles of faith of Islam; these are:

              1.    Unity of God
              2.    His Angels
              3.    His Books
              4.    His Prophets
              5.    The Last Day
              6.    Divine Decree

              Or perhaps you mean, five pillars of Islam; these are:

              1.    Kalima
              2.    Prayer
              3.    Fasting
              4.    Zakaat
              5.    Hajj


              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  2. Make  Money profile image70
    Make Moneyposted 6 years ago

    Well I don't have the means to go to Latin America, or India, or Africa but I sponsor a foster child from India.

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image74
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Definitely a great start! Bless you for doing so

  3. pay2cEM profile image91
    pay2cEMposted 6 years ago

    Which Jesus are we talking about? Are we talking about the Jesus who preached meekness, gentleness, peacefulness, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, loving one's neighbor as one's self, helping the poor and needy, not judging others?

    Or are we talking about the name-calling, antagonizing, cursing, lying, dishonoring-his-parents, judgmental, anti-peace, anti-family, false prophesying, physically abusive Jesus?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      All of those, from both paragraphs, with the exception of lying and false prophesying.  And the physical abuse was only toward objects, not toward people.

      But yes, the God of Love as well as the radical Jesus.  Amen.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    He was, and is, a force to be reckoned with!

  5. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    According to Dickens, "Charity begins at home, and justice begins next door."

    I don't have the means to travel to a foreign nation, either, but I can and do help locally. I realize the poor in the U.S. are not comparable to the poor of some other nations, generally speaking, but we do have a lot of people here who need help. I always adopt a needy family for Christmas - one with children.

  6. Rev Will profile image60
    Rev Willposted 6 years ago

    the real problem is that we like our money!!!  Why travel to different land when the US of A, has many in need and need of simple guidence..  But that would mean that we left our comfort zone.  Stop sending money to the poor areas and teach them to fish, farm, pay bills, love each other.  I am a white minister who has worked in the poor black areas of Brooklyn.  I may be the only white person that some people see in thier community that is not a policeman.  We can do a great service to the Lord and our fellow humans, but this requires that you live near your church, work in the same community, and live with your community!  You will grow and love the Lord.

  7. UPStar profile image60
    UPStarposted 6 years ago

    Hey! Great stuff here! If one chooses to look closely one will find there are alot of great christian folk loving God and serving people in many ways. The Christian Church is still the best picture of Jesus on this earth. Yes, we are also flawed, but despite that God chose us to put his spirit in and be His messengers here.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Dear me.

      You are messengers of God? No wonder atheism is growing more popular all the time. Thank you for reminding me why I do not believe any of this stuff.

      You are His messengers? big_smile

  8. Bovine Currency profile image61
    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus didn't like the church.  They crucified him for fighting it.

    1. aguasilver profile image88
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The church only started with Pentecost, which took place after Christ has been crucified by the Romans, at the behest of the Sanhedrin, so the church never killed Christ, and Christ did like 'the church' (which is the body of believers, not an institution) and Christ liked the church that he commanded be formed very much:

      John 21:17
      ...."Simon son of John, do you love me?" Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?"

      He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."

      Jesus said, "Feed my sheep.

      A clear command to continue the work Jesus had started....and the following does not sound like a man who did not like the church he came to create:

      John 17

      Jesus Prays for Himself

      After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

      For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

      Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

      I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

      "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

      Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.

      For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

      I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.

      All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

      I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name - the name you gave me - so that they may be one as we are one.

      While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me.

      None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

      "I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.

      I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

      My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

      They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.

      Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

      As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.

      For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

      My prayer is not for them alone.

      I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

      May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

      I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.

      May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

      Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

      Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.

      I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.


      Believers in discipleship are protected and ordained by Christ, not man, not any institution, not by any bible college.

      In Christ alone I place my trust.

  9. starlance profile image83
    starlanceposted 6 years ago

    Great post,

    I'm new to the community, so I'll refrain from letting out all my words in a firehose rush of ideas. At least until later smile.But, your title is the very question that I wish more Christians in general would be asking themselves--not just those who frequent hubpages. I've been foundering with Christianity. It seems so simple and serene. Yet, in popular culture and mainstream media we find a very different form of understanding on what Christianity is. I appreciate your quotes and your message. How do we simplify them and get back to basics. The basics are beautiful.

  10. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Faults and imperfections are like the back side of knee caps; It is much easier to see those of others than it is to see your own.

  11. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 6 years ago

    Jesus' example isn't for a select group of people but it is for the whole world.  Those who choose to believe in Jesus he has left an example for all to follow.

    Jesus focused on the poor because as he said, the healthy do not need a doctor.

  12. luvpassion profile image59
    luvpassionposted 6 years ago

    The fact is, when it comes to feeding people the US government is the top provider for this service. Tax payers of all denominations contribute.

    While private charaties also contribute I feel the numbers if totaled, would back my statement.