Are there any Christians out there?

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   I am a Christian!
      I say this because to be a Christian we have to believe those things that Jesus said.
   
      Do You Believe What Jesus said??
      If you do not believe what Jesus said are you a Christian?
   
      Around 30 AD Jesus said that there were people standing in front of him that shall not taste of death until they see him coming in the clours sitting at the righ hand of power.
   
     Jesus said that two will be working in the field; one will be taken and another be left. "The Rapture??"
   
     And he said that that generation shall not pass away before all these things be fulfilled.
   
     Do you believe what Jesus said?
   
     If you don't;  are you following him???

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Jerami
      
      If you collect separately what Jesus said from the Bible; it might  just form a chapter for two; and even that is not Jesus' words; the translators add stuff. There is only one sentence in the whole Bible which Jesus spoke from his mouth in Aramaic.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That's because he spoke Hebrew. Aramaic was adopted by the Hebrews later
         
         I don't see any of the Quran that's inspired
         
         Yahshua had brothers and close friends that were prophets
         The book of Matthew was first known as the Book of Hebrews is part of the Hebrew scripture and was written in Hebrew. Mark and Luke were copied from Matthew. Matthew was an Apostle.
         
         Amazing how you know everything about Yahshua and what he said,  and say/think the Hebrews and we don't. You know all things
         
         I guess you'll see one day..Huh

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         oceansnsunsetsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You would need to give very good reasons, for suggesting the the closest people to Jesus didn't know what he said.  They were eyewitnesses, and close confidantes of those that lived and walked and talked.
         
         It goes against the very nature of Jesus' teachings, for people that knew him best to lie about him or His words.  To ask people to believe that over what makes more sense seems a bit silly to me.  If you meant, word for word, dictation didn't happen, well then I would agree.  We know they weren't scribbling it down like news reporters. 
         
         Its amazing that the BIble is as cohesive and consistent and non contradictory as it is.  I don't think any man or group of people could get that done.  But there it is.. for people to accept or reject.
         
         I agree with Deborah in that one day we all will know for sure one way or another.  Its either true or its not.  Applying what we do know of critiquing ancient texts, nothing comes out like the Bible does.  There are good reasons for thinking it reliable and trustworthy.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend oceansnsunsets
            
            I think you have only heard Bible from the priests in the Churches during Sunday service. Have you read the Catholic's Bible or JW's Bible from cover to cover? Please
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            One thing for sure is that prophesy will continue to unfold exactly as it was written regardless of how we want to interpret it.
               And if it does not ?  We might as well disregard the whole thing...  which I am NOT ready to do.
            
               I can see where they have all been fulfilled with the exception of the seventh trumpet being sounded and the seventh bowl being poured out.   
               If  all of prophesy have been correct  from 0 to 98, why would we not expect the fulfillment of the remaining two?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The Scriptures about not tasting death until the see his glory are talking about the transfiguration (which the disciples did witness.)   This is in three books--Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
      
      The passages about "this generation" are also in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and are either referring to His death and resurrection or to the second coming.  I believe it's the second coming (in the future).  It's spoken in a parable of the fig tree.  "This" generation is simply describing the specific generation when the things He's warned about will happen.  It's actually very clear if you'll read it in context and follow along with the parable.
      
      People make the Bible so complicated sometimes, when most of it is really simple.
      
      
      Edit---
      
      Jerami, I apologize if that sounded abrupt of me.  I just mean that there are so many things that are easy for me to understand, that it amazes me how much discussion/debate goes on about those.   I sure do not know everything,  and the thing is that nobody does!  And I could be wrong about some of those interpretations.   What I'm sure of is that I'm not wrong about the basics, the fundamentals, and that's what I believe are the most important for people to know.
      It is an interesting discussion;  I like the thread.

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         Michael Adams1959posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         AMEN Brenda

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Brenda I also apologize for sometimes sounding abrupt.
         It also amazes me that it is not easier for others to see it the way that I see it. ..... BetCha a nickel that everyone feels that way.
         I sure do not know everything either.  I will say though that I have studying the prophesy for a decade.
         
           I just do not understand why people pay absolutely no attention to the time comparison that is given to us in the book of Daniel.
            It seems to me that nothing can be more clear that in 538 BC Gabriel said that in 62 weeks they were going to kill the Messiah.
            For me this is the most important chapter written in the bible concerning prophesy. 62 weeks in prophesy is equal to approx 568 of our years.  That is the KEY to the City as far as understanding Prophesy.
         
           When we apply this time comparison; many, many interpretations of scripture are proven false.
           For me it seems that a 5000 piece puzzle assembles itself right before my eyes.
         
         In my mind It looks like a spider web and all of the many details are clearly interconnected.   Yet it is impossible to verbalize sufficiently for someone else’s immediate understanding.

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   Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago

   Jeremi, it is not just believing, but doing.
   
   1 John 2:6
   He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      and the two shall work together as one.
      
        One can not work in unison by itself.

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         Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Give me scripture

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            Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            1 John 2:6
            He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked
            
              To abideth in is not enough but you should also walk as he walked.  The two work together as one?  one without the other is not in unison.
            
              Are you saying that you think that it does not mater what you believe as long as you ? which one abieth in or walk as he walked.
             
              I do not understany your irritation?  Was I not agreeing with you?

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               Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I quoted that scripture first. You argued that it's not enough,
               now you're using it to prove me wrong.
               
               No I don't believe it doesn't matter what you believe
               To walk as he did, you have to believe in what he believes.
               I'm not talking doctrine
               
               There are many who say they believe and don't walk the way he did.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Are there any Christians out there?
   
   Hi friend
   
   No, there are no real Christians here; I see only Paulines here with the same myth Paul authored against the teachings of Jesus Christ.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That would be another subject.
                   For now ..........
        I'd like to Hear from Christians that believe the things that Jesus taught and said.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Come on now. You don't know everyone here.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Deborah Sexton ...I quoted that scripture first. You argued that it's not enough,
   now you're using it to prove me wrong.
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     I was not argueing any such thing.
   
   I said ...and the two shall work together as one.
   One can not work in unison by itself.
   
     how is that argueing or disagreeing?
     I thought that was what you were saying??????

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Matt. 23:35  And upon you shall come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth...."
      Matt. 23:36  Verily I say unto you All these things shall come upon this generation.
   
      Why don't we study the implications of these verses? 
   Jesus was talking to the Pharisee ... 
      Matthew 23:34  Wherefore, behold I send  unto you prophets and wise men, and scribes and some of them ye  "shall"  kill and crucify, and some of them ye  "shall"  scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city.
    
    
   
      Matthew 24:3  When shall these things be?
              24:9  They shall deliver YOU up to be afflicted and shall kill YOU.
         All of these things that Jesus says will happen did happen ... 
         Matt. 23:36  To the Pharisee ... "Verily I say unto you All these things shall come upon this generation."
          Matthew 24:  To the disciples ...Verily I say unto you this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled. 
   
     It doesn't matter what excuse we give ourselves for doing it.    To Change the clear and concise message that Jesus spoke to mean something that he did not say should be a SIN.
   
     When god says don't do it; can we change the meaning of his message if we have a good excuse?
    
     When Jesus tells a disciple that they are going to kill that disciple, is it OK to change the message and say that Jesus was talking about some one else at a different time? If we have a good excuse? 
   
     When Jesus said that that generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled, can we change the meaning of what he said  If we have a good excuse?
   
      If any one of you all had read these chapters before someone told you what they should be interpreted to mean 
     What would you think that it is talking about?
    
     As Brenda said...   "People make the Bible so complicated sometimes, when most of it is really simple"
   
     And this is one of those situations.  It is so simple..     It means exactly what it says.
      There are no valid excuses for changing the word of God.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is not a hard question
        It is just very hard to answer honestly.
      
        We are not dishonering GOD when questioning a religious establishment. 
      
        GOD encourages us to do so.

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   Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

   hello,
   is there anybody in there, just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone home?
   Come on, now, i hear you're feeling down, i can ease your pain
   get you own your feet again.
   
   Relax, i need some information first; just the basic facts can you show me where it hurts...
   
   There is no pain you are receding!
   A distant ships smoke on the horizon,
   you are only coming through in waves
   Your lips move but i can't hear what you're saying...
   
   When I was a child, I had a fever;
   My hands felt just like two balloons,
   Now I have that feeling once again,
   I can't explain, you would not understand...
   
   **This is not how I am**
   
   I, have become comfortably numb
   
   -christianity

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      OH LOL 21!
      
      Shades of nostalgia!   Wasn't that Pink Floyd?
      I like the one about "Teachers----Leave those kids alone!"
      Dunno if it was meant to be liberal or not, but it most certainly applies today to our messed-up school system.
      
      
      Hogwash now 21!   Christianity isn't about being "comfortably numb";   there is MUCH passion and joy in being a Christian!  You may be mistaking "the Peace that passes all understanding" for numbness....

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         Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Boulder-dash, `tis all about comfort. All of it.
         Prove me wrong: show me your faith beyond words, beyond books, beyond measure and I shall concede my rant...
         
         
         
         
         (it was pink floyd, good job)

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hey, isn't it "balder-dash"?  Or do I have it wrong?
            Hmmm gotta look that up.
            I love etymology, don't you?
            
            
            I sing
            "We don't need no education....
            we don't need no..."
            
            as I go for my dictionary...

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   Jerami--
   
   Luke 17: 34, 35, 36:
   
   "I tell you,  in that night there shall be two men in one bed;  the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
   
   Two women shall be grinding together;  the one shall be taken, and the other left.
   
   Two men shall be in the field;  the one shall be taken, and the other left."
   
   
   Spiritual man, physical man.   
   
   or else
   
   the saved, the unsaved.
   
   
   I think it's talking about Judgement Day (the second coming of the Lord).   Because previous verses right before that talk about the Judgement upon Sodom, and Lot's wife.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have a question..  Why do people believe that the second coming of the Lord is the same event as the 1st rescurection and that the 1st rescurrection and the judgment are the same event?
         
         If a legal minded person were to read the scriptures, could he rightfully come to the conclusion that these three events  undoubetedly ocur in the same time frame.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   I don't know.
   
   First of all,  it's a Spiritual-minded person who can best interpret Scripture, or at least the over-all intent of Scripture.
   
   I'm not at all up on the historical facts.
   
   But no, I don't see how they can all three be the same event.  Maybe because I'm an "amillinialist".....
   
   
   Are you by any chance talking about His birth being the first coming?
   
   I view the second coming as Judgement Day.
   
   The first resurrection was just that---His resurrection....
   
   I'm no scholar.  To argue those points will take someone who's studied the time frames more than me.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It is my understanding that his birth was the first advent.
       
      69 weeks unto Messiah the prince as described in Daniel 9 whatever that means, would be around 94 AD.
      
        However Dan. 1:45 and 12:1 identifies the time that some of the children of Daniels people are redeemed from among man and some of those that are in the graves were caught up into heaven when the 14th emperor of Rome came to his end.(138)
        This is also the opening of the sixth seal.
         The seventh seal is then opened and some time passes befort the trumpets are handed out.
         Time passes while six of the trumpets are sounded and then the first rescurrection that the souls of those that were beheaded for their  testamony are seen in heaven and Satan is bound in the pit for a thousand years.
      
      A thousand years and a little season later the battle of Armageddon is to take place.
        At this time the Judgment.
        The first rescurection only those that actually died for their testamony were seen in heaven.
        No reason for a judgment at that time.
         And from that day forward when a beleiver dies in the faith they go straight to heaven.
      Jubgment is reserved for the second rescurection.
      That is what I read when I read scripture.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   Where do the unbelievers go at that time when they die?
   Are they held somewhere, or do they go directly to their punishment?

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Rev 14:13  Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from hense forth;  Yea saith the spirit,that they may rest from their labors, and their works do follow them.
      
         You could say that I am interpreting this to be saying that when we die in the Lord we go to heaven.  What exactly dieing in the lord means is also an interpretation.
      
         I "THINK" that whoever this verse is not talking about would sleep until the second rescurection?
         And I would also say that at the Judgment, due process will be handed out.  I don't think that the same punishment will be handed out to all that face the judgment. Whatever that is.

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It's the same for all of us Brenda, although some people will still be superior in one way. If their body holds a lot of nutrients, it will be superior worm food.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Are there any Christians out there?
    
    Hi friends
    
    You won't find any true Christian in the so called "Christians"; they are all Pauline, don't know who the real Jesus was and what were his teachings.
    
    I am a true believer of Jesus who in character and teachings mereged in Muhammad's character and teachings like Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster and Socrates etc, stand merged in him.
    
    There in not a single truthful teaching in any revealed religions which is not included in the Quran; either in similiar form or in a better way; and that is rightly claimed by Quran:
    
    [2:104] And if they had believed and acted righteously, better surely would have been the reward from Allah, had they but known!
    [2:105] O ye who believe! say not ‘Ra‘ina,’ but say, ‘Unzurna’ and hearken. And for the disbelievers is a painful punishment.
    [2:106] They who disbelieve from among the People of the Book, or from among those who associate gods with Allah, desire not that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord; but Allah chooses for His mercy whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is of exceeding bounty.
    
    [2:107] Whatever Sign* We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than that or the like thereof. Dost thou not know that Allah has the power to do all that He wills?
    
    [2:108] Dost thou not know that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah alone? And there is no protector or helper for you beside Allah.
    [2:109] Would you question the Messenger sent to you as Moses was questioned before this? And whoever takes disbelief in exchange for belief has undoubtedly gone astray from the right path.
    [2:110] Many of the People of the Book wish out of sheer envy from their own selves that, after you have believed, they could turn you again into disbelievers after the truth has become manifest to them. But forgive and turn away from them, till Allah brings about His decree. Surely, Allah has the power to do all that He wills.
    [2:111] And observe Prayer and pay the Zakat; and whatever good you send on before you for yourselves, you shall find it with Allah; surely, Allah sees all that you do.
    [2:112] And they say, ‘None shall ever enter Heaven unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ These are their vain desires. Say, ‘Produce your proof, if you are truthful.’
    
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=102
    
    *Also translated as verse.
    
    Please see verse [2:107] with the verses in the context.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    Onusonusposted 14 years ago

    Sorry I'm late, somebody wanted to talk to a Christian? Whats up?

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       Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I was looking for someone that believes what Jesus said.
       
       What he said ! and not some fabrication of ;  Cause someone else said this, Jesus didn't REALLY mean what he said.
          Cause if what Jesus said is true then I do not understand something else so Jesus didn't REALLY  mean to say what he said.
       
          Are there any Christians out there that believe what Jesus said?????

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          Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Well count me as one of those who believes in Jesus and his ministry.

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             Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             yet doesn't do anything to live it. Reminds me of so many literary bible tutors, with nothing more than Sunday cliff notes and underlined or highlighted passages. What gives?

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    I think I told you that I am the only follower of Jesus here;believe me; all others are Pauline.
    
    I not only believe in Jesus' First Coming but I believe that his Second Coming has already happened.
    
    Others could believe differently; no compulsion however

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       Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That might be true??  But you still got him coming back at the wrong time.

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          He just came at the right time; when all prophecies got fulfilled he came.

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             Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             How many times can he come again?

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                paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Hi friend
                
                First one should know why he was to come. Quran hints on it. Christian carved a myth out of him , making him god, son of god, a person of Trinity etc, all against his teachings. He was to come to eradicate these wrong creeds. One of his duties in the Second Coming was "Breaking of Cross"- the basis of these creeds. He was to break these creeds by proving that he did not die on the Cross.
                
                Thanks

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       Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You're the only one who believes in Yahshua?
       I don;t happen to follow the Pauline doctrine and I believe in Yahshua
       You're trying to make yourself more righteous than anyone, but I can see right through you.

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    Michael Adams1959posted 14 years ago

    paarsurrey--- All I see out of this person's quotes is blasphemy

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    I have never spoken against God.
      If it is blasphemy to speak against the way in which religion miscomunicates the word of God. Then I am in good company.
    Thank you.

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       Michael Adams1959posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No no no not you Jerami sorry my friend, I am talking of the peaceful ahmadi muslim they are blasphemous, besides if you look up the ahmadi muslims and their practice of islam and jihad THEY AIN"T PEACEFUL

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          Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          That is good to hear,
          That didn't make sense to me but I have been called that before for stating my beliefs.though ont on HP

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend Michael Adams1959
          
          I don't agree with you
          Please quote here about the concept of Ahmadis on Jihad. We believe Jihad with pen not with sword; our Jihad is with good and convincing arguments.
          
          Thanks
          
          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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             Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I see no convincing arguments. So much for your Jihad.

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Rev. 1:1  The revelation of Jesus Christ, Which God gave unto him. To shew unto his servants  things which must SHORTLY COME TO PAS
    
    Rev. 1:3   ….. FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND
    
    
    Rev. 22:10  And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophesy of this book; FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
    
           Is it blasphemy to believe these words to mean exactly what they say?
    
    In Matthew 23:34  Wherefore behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and some of them yea shall kill and crucify, and some of them ye shall scourge in synagogues, and persecute them from city to city. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth….. VERILY  I  SAY  UNTO  YOU,  ALL THESE THINGS  SHALL  COME  UPON  THIS  GENERATION
    
    Who do you say that Jesus was speaking to in that verse?
    He was speaking to those men that were standing in front of HIM. Jesus wasn’t speaking to somebody thousands of years in the future!  You can not interpret the truth away for this verse is why preachers stay away from it.
    
      Matthew 24:9   Then shall they deliver YOU up to be afflicted, and shall kill YOU…”
    
      Jesus told the Pharisee that they were going to kill the prophets and wise men , and then told four of his disciples that they were going to be killed.
    
    Am I a blasphemer to say that I believe these things that Jesus said??
    Am I a blasphemer if I do not change the meaning of these clearly spoken words of Christ to conform to the misinterpretations of the church.
       
       I confess that I have blasphemed against the Church.  Cause I do not believe many of the thing that It teaches.
    
       Do you think that God is going to send me to burn in hell for believing what is written?
    
      He might if I were changing the meanings of what he said.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago

    Continue insulting us by saying bad things about the religions
    Whatever religions are here, it is what they trust in.
    
    But the insults keep coming. Maybe a report to Hubpages staff should be done

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    That is good to hear. Onusonus
      I was about 35 when I thought one day to begin with Matthew and read all of those things that Jesus said, only those words written in red through out the NT
       I got a slightly different and better idea as to what he was saying and doing.
       The second time I did this I saw all of the NT in a brighter light.
       After all His words are what the disciples are teaching.
       I think that we should study the words written in red repeatedly, Knowing this first before we dive into the teachings of his students.
      I think that doing that would eliminate a lot of the diversity that exists in the churches.

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       Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       My bible doesn't have any red highlights, infact for the most part I read it when I'm on the terlet........
       
       I have been perusing the NLT bible which sits at a coworkers desk, and I got to say that it is the worst bible I've ever read.

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          Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          All that I have been reading is the KJV.
             And it does have the red highlights. I love it.
            I had a Living bible and a few others versions. A friend gave me a bible that a friend of his and a dozen others translated the same text that King James's people translated way back then. They translated these texts straight into modern english.
          
            It compaired about 99.9% identical to the other New KJV.
          
            For my purposes of uninterpreting prophesy I found this one to be the most useful.
          
             I think that for the purpose of understanding prophesy it is best to use a version that is as close to an origional translation as posible.

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             Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I agree, the thing which bothers me about modernized translations is that they almost unavoidably interpret passages which at times have several deep or hidden meanings and pull it to a specific direction.

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                Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Yes they do.  I came to that realization a decade ago. That is when I basically ditched it all and began studying the prophesy.I just bulldozed that belief system down including the foundation.
                
                   I just felt that I would uncover a hidden secret that would answer some of my questions.  I desided to first establish a foundation that was built upon those things that are written to be the word of God.  God Said.  Secondly I added those things that is written that Gabriel said that God said.
                
                   These things I considered to be undestutable facts.
                I had a new foundation to build a belief system.
                
                  Then I added to the construction project those things that is written that Jesus said.
                
                   I had already found myself to be at a diffrent place than I was before.
                
                   This gave me a totally diffrent prospective on those things that the disciples are said to have said.
                
                   This is good news.  My faith is much stronger that it ever would have been otherwise.
                
                   Bad news is ... that I have found no one that agrees with
                with my theology. A few believes some of it.

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                   Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Well it's hard to convince people of anything on the internet unless you work for Wikipedia. In my opinion the best way is to do it face to face.
                   Still, don't think that your efforts go unnoticed.

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                      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      That is true and yet not.  I have had conversations with family and friends beginning at the beginning and go all the way through the theory. They agree and even expound upon the concept and the next day it is if we had not had the conversation al all.
                      
                         You can not teach another person to believe anything diffrently than their foundational beliefs will alow.
                         You can only point them in the the direction of other information.
                         It is then up to them to come to their own conclusions.
                      
                         It is my heart felt belief that all of the answers to all of our questions can be found by uninterpreting the prophesy.
                      We have been programed to believe interpretations of these prophesy and that affects the way that we understand all of scripture.

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                      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      I would love to have a face to face sit down conversation with a group. I know that I could explane it verbally much better than with a written message.

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                      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      "unless you work for Wikipedia"
                      
                      Would you please explain your above words?
                      
                      Thanks

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                         Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Well dude, it was kind of a joke. Have you ever made a statement based on hearsay and somone calls you on it by Googling it, or looking it up on wikipedia?

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                            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Hi friend Onusonus
                            
                            Oh; that is it. I thought you were serious then.
                            
                            OK; have a good day
                            
                            Thanks
                            
                            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    ALL4JESUSposted 14 years ago

    Our minister is preaching a series on "Things I Wish Jesus Didn't Say".  He is on sermon number 4.  So many misunderstandings. 
    
    Do you think Jesus wants so many versions of "his word".  So many times, Jesus spoke in parables -
    
    'parable' means 'to put something alongside something else'.
    
    "It has been estimated that at least one-third of Jesus' recorded teaching  is found in the parables (Wiersbe, "Windows On The Parables", p. 15)."
    
    Jesus was furious when he found the money changers in the Temple - what would he think of the words translated over the centuries?
    
    Also, isn't it interesting religion is the largest number of responses out on Hub Pages - last I saw - 172,000!  Wow!  Are we seeking and honoring God or looking for differences between brethren?

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    First of all ALL4JESUS  welcome to HP, 
    
    ALL4JESUS said   Do you think Jesus wants so many versions of "his word".
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      Absolutely not.  "versions of his word" is a nice way of saying misinterpretions
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    So many times, Jesus spoke in parables -
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      The truth that he was speaking were not hidden in the parabess
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    It has been estimated that at least one-third of Jesus' recorded teaching  is found in the parables
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    I kinda think that only about 1 % of his teachings are included in the bible.  I wonder why out of that 1% that 1/3 of these are parables?
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    Also, isn't it interesting religion is the largest number of responses out on Hub Pages - last I saw - 172,000!  Wow!  Are we seeking and honoring God or looking for differences between brethren?
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    Don't jump to any conclusions  about those numbers
    
      I did read one of your hubs and I couldn't agree more

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    Michael Adams1959posted 14 years ago

    What does the Arabic word jihad mean?
    
    One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.
    
    As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.
    
    The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.
    
    Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.
    
    Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.
    
    Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

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    Michael Adams1959posted 14 years ago

    So if you are muslim of any kind and practice NOT jihad you are not a faithful muslim

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       Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I find it very interesting how the Islamic jihad and the Christian Armageddon seem to be predicting the same thing?
         But on oposit sides of the fence.
       
          Has anyone thought about the fact that Rev 16:12 where the dragon,beast and false prophet are seen, and three spirits come out of each of their mouths to gather the kings of the earth together for battle ,,,,  ????
            that no place in scripture does it say that these three are co conspirators.  Is it possible that these three being at odds with each other is the force that gathers the kings together for that last battle ?

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          exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          i am reading, bro

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             Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It is always good to be heard. 
             
             Satan "The Beast" and False Prophet fortold in prophesy are real.  If people could see past the smoke screen; they are not hard to recognize.
             
               Any time that there is a fake something; that fake something is the proof of the real one.
             
             Jesus told that the religious establishment in Jerusalem that they were the sons of Satan.  Jesus said when you have seen me you have seen my father you sons of Satan....  Should we read between the lines there?

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    ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago

    its the same people

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