Whose afraid of mark knowles?

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SilentReedposted 13 years ago
are you intimidated by mark knowles.believers?
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  Home Girlposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think that question might be a little bit insulting to Mark.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Um, no, just wait till he shows up.
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  Merlin Fraserposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You mean once he stops laughing ?
  
  How can you be intimidated by someone who is honest and merely speaks his mind ?
  
  As far as I can see nobody comes into or sets up a Forum to discuss anything especially if has a God issue or a religious theme. They either want an argument or an opportunity to start chanting scripture it's no wonder he lashes out once in a while.
  
  Same old...same old... day in day out they have nothing new to say and take far too long to say it.
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  man like we haven't heard that dribble before
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I fear no individual person when it comes to my civil rights.
  It's when people gang up on me, with the backing of the powers-that-be, that I get afraid. Yeah, it's smart to fear bullying and tyranny.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bullying and tyranny by avatar...Brenda, really what's the worse they can do? Call you a christian, gang together to virtually pat each other on the back...
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. They can take away my free speech. Which they've done before, and which I've been threatened with having permanently taken away, hubs and all.
  You of all people shouldn't make light of that.
  Are you "safe"?
  
  Do you want to know when I felt "safe" in free speech allowance?
  Pre-Obama.
  You were there.
  Things changed as soon as liberals had their man running for the highest Office in the land.
  Or has your memory slipped?
  One liberal even boasted about how she/they could "say anything" they "wanted to" now that Obama took over.
  And now the terms "right" and "wrong" are used interchangeably at the whim of liberals and atheists etc.
  
  People who post crap shouldn't feel "safe" to post their crap.
  But these days it's people who post TRUTH that have their freedom taken away. And those violations of conservative rights are now filtering into (actually being PUSHED UPON)our legal system.
  
  So, no, I don't feel safe at all in the majority of America's arenas.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  ...and yet you advocate for exactly that right so vociferously
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I feel perfectly safe I've been banned from this site for stuff I've said to atheists,,,I didn't care, I just went to another site I like. There are hundreds, I think its important not to be intimidated in the virtual world.
  
  Teri
  
  The atheist here are more easily provoked.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, there's a difference between being afraid and being so intimidated that one gives up the fight for freedom.
  And this is not totally a "virtual" world.
  There are people behind the posts.
  One's civil rights don't end just because it's "online".
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah see that's what they want you to think. Actually there may only be robots behind the posts...aliens, demons, bigfoot.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha
  
  not so.
  
  Aliens don't exist; neither does bigfoot; there are people behind the robots, and demons....well, demons eventually show their true colors; while deceptive humans can get by with their crap indefinitely.
  Yes, I do fear deceptive humans.
  To a degree...
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  See I had an atheist tell me the other day to Pi%$ off Bit&& , Did I get mad? Nope...I like his style, (although I think it was Mr. Knowles) I don't care.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ummm..
  you're still missing the point totally.
  I can handle those assaults.
  It's when the powers-that-be twist things around and ban the VICTIM for taking care of the situation that really proves bias.
  
  I think people should be able to "fight it out" in the forums. But usually the liberal person, when someone "fights back", turns around and whines to the mods like the bullies they (the whiners) are.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I totally get your point. The thing is I get chastised by atheists and christians alike...my beliefs are my own and I don't argue one side or the other...I just rabble rouse
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Victims have to depend on others to make things right. They get to blame others for their crappy life. It's always someone else's fault.
  
  When you don't have to be a victim, you're able to move forward in positive ways.
  
  Just so you know...
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda, I'll bet when you are ready to put down all your weapons, others will be willing to do the same.
  
  I think you're getting exactly what you put out into the world. Nothing else.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for tryin' to help. LOL
  
  But I willingly cling to my "weapons", as you so colloquially put it.
  
  My "guns" and religion, as your master Obama so eloquently puts it.
  
  And indeed my Armor.
  Invisible though it is sometimes.
  
  Don't worry. I will always be alright. Doesn't mean I won't still stay in the "battle" until I'm ready to rest.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not an Obama fan, just to clarify. Never was, never will be.
  Assumptions are so easy to make.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't mean he's not your master, does it?
  He IS the man whose power, given his position, is laying the foundation for total stupidity to reign in America.
  If you don't speak against that, then it IS ruling your life, or will rule the lives of those around you who you do care about.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This applies to glenn's conspiracies as well ? Or glenn is right with what he preaches ?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda doesn't like glennbeck...too liberal.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Glenn is right about most stuff.
  But he drops the ball on major aspects of religion, and is, like Sarah Palin, too soft on two major issues.
  
  But hey, I wasn't looking for a "savior" when Obama took office, and I'm not looking for one now, because I already had the true One.
  
  It would, however, be nice to see a true man of God who would inject the Truth into today's American politics in a way that would actually make the right change.
  
  We'll see what God has in store.
  One way, beware and woe to all.
  The other, there is a thing called hope that still exists....and maybe my generation will see it to fruition. Maybe not.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truth ?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If Brenda calls our President "stupid", could he log in here and have her banned?
  
  Just wondering
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That would be his mode of operation, wouldn't it?
  
  He's welcome to come and face up to me. That would be cool.
  But he hasn't got the guts, I'm pretty sure.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Out of curiosity Brenda, do you think that Obama is a Muslim.. or that he was not born in the US?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think Obama himself doesn't know exactly what he is and doesn't care, or else is too rebellious to go get some counseling!
  He has an anti-American agenda that he's been putting in place, and that's his goal.
  So, it matters not where he really was born, or what he calls himself; what matters is that he's not Presidential material because of his confusion and perversity-adocation and anti-patriotism.
  
  John McCain said something right during the Campaign. He said America didn't have time for "on-the-job training" concerning the Office of the President. Obama not only would need on-the-job training, he would need.......a change of heart......before he'd even come close to being fit for the job he's been placed in.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so you are on the fence vis a vis his reelection?
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When it comes to obama bashing, You and Flightkeeper never cease to amaze me.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Amaze" woukdn't have been my first choice.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's another term that's very over-used by liberals...the term "bashing".
  
  Since when did stating the obvious become "bashing"?
  
  Never mind. I can pinpoint the time in history.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  when the gays overthrew John Wayne and took over Hollywood?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Calling someone stupid isn't bashing?
  
  Good to know.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. Stupid, Nut are the words honorably used especially for liberals by conservatives. That's not bashing, that's stating the obvious. It is approved by jesus. :-)
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well I don't know about that, my husband calls him Commander-n-Chief.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh. Jesus and I have never been on speaking terms. Probably my poor attitude toward his likely reality.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Since when did stating the obvious become "bashing"?"
  
  You know this can go two-ways
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Besides he already is Linkdyn...and he has that facebook thing.
  
  She can call him stupid but she can't threaten him.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, right. He would be torn apart by your razor sharp logic.
  
  I forgot who he would be up against. Where the rest of us get the temerity to argue with you, I just do not know.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now that would be so cool! LMAO!
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Atheists with degree in science are likely to bait theists often.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious, Glenn & Sarah got their freedom of speech threatened in anyway ?
  
  I think lie is harem in Christianity. But maybe i'm wrong.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is skyfire the cute guy cartoon he appears to be? Or is he really a beer bellied hamburger slinger from NY. Or neither.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hamburgers. Umm.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There was a point in time in my life.... when I was much younger and much more single, that my eyes would actually linger at the site of those two ladies...
  
  and I would salivate at their images, and not at the two large hamburgers that currently attract my attention
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Somehow they sooooo remind me of blondepoet... prolly those crosses, idk...
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mr. Misha hello.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ms. Luv Hello
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're comparing BP to the "Quadruple Bypass Burger"?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am comparing the girls to BP, silly
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  Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's the condescending attitude that inspires the belief that anyone is possessed of a TRUTH that gets shut down. It's not the idea of god or not god that gets banned, it's the acerbic, rude and demeaning nature of HOW people communicate that get them banned or not. Frequently, people who think they have TRUTH have a hard time being polite to all the stupid morons who don't believe them and so they write in demeaning ways that get themselves banned.
  
  I expect the revocation of freedom you speak of has far, far, far, far more to do with that attitude than any censorship of your version of "truth."
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Umm....it's neither illegal nor uncivil to have "an attitude".
  
  If it were, I know several people (liberals, no less) who'd have been permanently banned from here long long ago.
  If "attitude" were illegal and uncivil, Mr. Swaggering Obama would've been ejected long ago, along with that chip on his shoulder and his mockery of people.
  
  So your assessment doesn't wash.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have a habit of saying what's on my mind online since my family expects more from me in real life. I indulge myself here. Sometimes people appreciate brutal honesty if they don't %$# them.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why? Should I be?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  because he roasts little children over campfires... and not even for food, but just for fun!
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OOO That's mean!
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  to be fair, sometimes he uses them as a hat.. but even that is more for fashion than out of necessity
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you just come up with this off the top of your head? heehee
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He has admitted it to me during at our online prayer groups
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's really MUCH closer to the bottom, I'm sure....
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that's where I keep my brains
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I've got your anatomy figured out, Homer. I think your brains are between your legs...
  
  Like mine.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Two heads are better than one, I guess.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have a double tally-whacker?
  
  Congratulations
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i thought I mentioned it on here 2, 3..... or 400 times before.
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no offense to mark knowles, but i don't even know the guy personally. it's hard to be affraid of a guy that i never even met or at least conversed with long enough to know what kind of guy he is. i know he has a lot of influence on hubpages, but that doesn't mean i would kiss his rump, in fear of him. no, my policy is basically you show me respect, then i'll show you respect, as it's a two way street. if you refuse to respect me, then all that i ask is you leave me alone.
  
  since mark never talks to me at all and i have no idea how he feels about me, then i can only assume that we're cool at this point. maybe someday we'll become friends, or maybe not. who knows. no, the only people in my life i've ever been truly scared of are my father, god, cops, gang members, and the government. that's all. unless mark has anything to do with any of the ones i mentioned, then no im not affraid of him. no offense to you mark, but i don't even know you well enough to be affraid of you.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, some might say that Mark is a "Hell's Angel"
  
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yeah, im sure he's...not!
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, Steven, maybe he's got a nice rump that might be fun to kiss.... ewwwwwww I can't believe I just said that!
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fear Mark Knowles?
  
  You're kidding right...
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  Jane@CMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hilarious! How could I be afraid of someone I do not know?
  
  The title of this thread is a perfect link for Mark - I wonder how many have run over to read his profile!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  threads with mark's name on it have always been super hit...
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  Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is there a reason to be intimidated? I don't think so, but I do avoid the religious forums because of the discussions...they aren't really there to discuss religion, are they??
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Are you?
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Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago
BWA HA HA HA HA!!

No. I think he's funny as hell. Wicked, needs to burn for being so nasty, but funny as hell.

I totally think he rocks.
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Disturbiaposted 13 years ago
He scares the be-jesus out of me.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno where your god is, but mine is still in His heaven and taking note of all that occurs.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please do not threaten fellow hubbers.
  
  God
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you now speak for God?
  
  Hallelujah! Ron has been converted!
  
  Oh wait. I don't think you quite meant it that way. LOL
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, if others can make up his words (and his existence) out of thin air, so can I.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wow..guess you would soon give power seekers run for money by taking away.. their patented entity...
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and replacing with FSM
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really ?
  
  Long time no see brenda.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No kidding.
  
  You can throw a party next time. Maybe soon, if the threat I was given comes to fruition.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that would be be-jebus or jeebus. Mark would appreciate those more
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luvpassionposted 13 years ago
Seriously...why would anyone be. He's Hilarious.

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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He's hilarious only if :
  
  - science is ignored
  - rational arguments are trashed.
  
  Welcome to conservepedia-HP Edition.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All hail the king
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @skyfire..science is boring man...where is the excitement?..ya it works on proofs and facts ..but thats it...
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At least he gives someone for the atheists to believe in.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well i dont think atheist would need anyone to believe in other than rational aspects of life...mark is someone who is convinced that there is no god ..it is same as some one is convinced that what bible says is true ,while second one believes in quran , third one believes in gita..in the end what one believes is reality for him and her..till all are indulging in whatever and who so ever they believe..it is perfectly ok..
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very sensible.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're converted ? NOOOO
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope I don't believe in anything online.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What about adsense ?
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Adsense plllll.. I make more decorating cakes. Doesn't anyone come on here just for fun?
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cup-Cake ?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @skyfire... no i was just wondering why people are attracted more to religion and if we see science is all about facts and how things work...religion has hope, miracle, some thing beyond death..so in excitment comparison science is boring..i didnt say religion is right..i just said it is exciting...i could have converted if i would have been isolated to single religion...but m not so my conviction of "man made religion" remains intact..
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Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

I'm not exactly afraid, but I am keeping my eye on him.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
Mark (Scooter) Knowles is my son.
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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
mark is nice guy..why would any one be afraid of him?
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because we all have a dark side, and you just never know.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
I am not afraid of him, why would I? I am just curious and would like to ask him lots of questions -- What drives him aside from Moolah in terms of making money online? What are his other activities aside from blogging and making money online? In general I would like to ask his lighter side (I ponder making money online is on the heavier side) -- what makes a woman sexy for him?, his lovelife.... his favorite food, favorite place, favorite wine, sort of those things and lastly I will ask him will he apologize to God if ever he found out that God is true?
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, WOW pretty, you sure have given this a lot of thought, I've been married to men I haven't known that much about!
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hehehe, just curious, I know those stuff with my last bf, Guess I am so nosey.....
  
  Just a one line will do for every question, I don't need details, they will never say something about their lovelife in details.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  then you are asking to wrong man..greek loves nosey people...
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  why do you say that? i love breasty people
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is Mark Greek?
  I though there's only Greek One here, hehe...
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well there is only one greek one in the entire planet..and even mark would thank god for that
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If there are more than one Greek, then its fine for me, can make me laugh the whole day --
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is mark breasty?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  A little
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  SOOOO not thirsty now
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At least they're not Molson or Moosehead bottles.
  
  have you heard Moosehead's new slogan?
  
  "Better to receive one than to give one."
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  we are not about to engage in a war of words over which country has better beer, are we??
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why not? It's a slow day.
  
  Ever had an "Arrogant Bastard"?(the beer not the Prime Minister)
  
  ...Zing!
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ever had one? we've been all sharing one for years up here (the Prime Minister, not the beer)
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  Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ROFL!!!
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OMG, said Mark -- those breasts, what -- the --- LOL
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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habeeposted 13 years ago
I'm easily intimidated and terribly frightened by Mark. In fact, I have recurring nightmares about him. I'm in therapy now for my Markophobia (my counselor calls it Markolepsy).
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  I think you took the words out of Brenda's mouth, girl.
  
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's a serious condition; could turn into Markophilia.
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
The first time I met Mark I asked him about his thoughts on God...
he grabbed the top of my head with his huge hand and squeezed so hard that I started to cry out of my ears.

On another occasion, he sneezed and I accidentally said "God Bless You". He yelled at me and then spit in my eye.

On a third occasion, he preemptively pulled the nail out of the one of my thumbs before I even said anything because "I looked too holy"

I resolved then and there NEVER to attend Church service with the man again!
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Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago
He terrifies me, but I've taken to laying out newspaper under my chair so if I piddle when I see his posts, I can clean up easily.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A box of litter might work better....
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  Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was doing that, but I put too much faith in the absorbency and stopped using the bathroom for a while. It sure made drinking beer while hubbing great, but my wife got mad at all the clumps I was tracking around the house.
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  katiem2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lmao thanks for the laugh Shadesbreath.
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katiem2posted 13 years ago
Mark K. is a wonderful guy. I've learned loads from him about hub layouts and the like. He contributes amazing stuff to Hub world. He's a busy guy.

We can all get so busy you just have to remember that.

Mark is cool
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Looks like a redneck milking machine!
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ha ha ha ha - good one!
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  katiem2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  whatcha talking about habee?????
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years ago
i've nothing more to add to this thread....thanks for the laugh all!

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habeeposted 13 years ago
Seriously, Mark and I disagree on religion, but he's never treated me with disrespect. In fact, he's been very supportive of my writing. I also have a lot of respect for his writing and marketing skills.

Anyway, Mark lives too far away to physically harm me. Randy Godwin, on the other hand, lives nearby and enjoys beating up "wemmings"! lol
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  katiem2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You need help let me know, I can scrap with the best of em...
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, Katie! That Randy is pretty scrappy!
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  katiem2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No problem I got your back
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then I shall go around to the front then! LOL!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wise choice
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  ralwusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  just beware of those twins Randy.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those twins aren't identical, you know that don't you, Charlie? LOL!
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dang, Randy! You don't have to tell ALL my secrets!!
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
God made the devil for practice, and then He created Mark.
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  katiem2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hea ralwus how the heck are ya?
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Oh I'm around katie. how are you doing? It's hell outside, was 96 yesterday. Sh!t!
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  katiem2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I know it was burning down the joint yesterday... and to think we live in Ohio. I'm okay and really don't mind the heat... but I love the days when you can open all the windows and feel that cool breeze through out the house... Soon again.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Howdy, Charlie!
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Yes, it will be here before we can say Mark Knowles. LOL
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Hello Holle, how's them twins? Not the ball club either. hehe
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Don Simkovichposted 13 years ago
If Mark wasn't so shy and withdrawn about his beliefs, then, yes, he'd be someone to be reckoned with!
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Mark is a teddy bear. Now Misha scares me as he is a commie that dresses in drag, the spy.
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now THAT is one scary dude!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...thread starter should have put pic first..i must take my words back..i am sacred...
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, ya all should be scared of me!!! Grrrrrrrr!!!
  
  BTW, how did you find this undercover image, Charlie?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hahahhahah those earrings are horrible!!
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought you killed everybody who had access to that image, Misha, you're slipping.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah David, looks like I got a bit lazy lately. I am working on fixing it, though
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is the best picture eva!!! What devil would have done such a thing to Misha?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Hi Sandy. I think you know the name
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  RFoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, nice shade of lipstick Misha but I think you need fancier earrings. Those ones aren't dramatic enough to suit your personality.
  
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Feel free to fix the picture, Rachelle
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who is Mark Knowles?

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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  John Galt's evil twin...
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RFoxposted 13 years ago
Who's afraid of the big, bad wolf....the big, bad wolf...the big, bad wolf?

Who's afraid of the big, bad wolf?.....tra la la la la

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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
The point is we are all Christians here, and that is the bottom line
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ummmm...
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose technically I am, as my parents had me baptised twice. It never imprinted, though.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  see! there ya go!
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  RFoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Never been baptized. Never will be baptized.
  Gonna party in purgatory until I do something bad enough to send me to hell. (I must say Catholicism is my fave Christian religion for the above reasons.)
  
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Even RFox is coming along (albeit VERY slowly)
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  RFoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Baby steps.....baby steps...
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Holy Sh*t! It's gonna be a good time. See ya there!
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wait for me, girls!
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sweet!!!!
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  RFoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Party on stand by....
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe Misha would prefer the term 'idle'.
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  RFoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha...yes, 'idling quietly'...oh wait we have laws against that here!
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can't be "idling quietly" in a presence of two girls LOL
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  RFoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes it will!!
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Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago
Ron,
that picture is very similar to the ones that got pulled when leeberttea's hub got pulled. Actually, it's more provocative.

What say you now?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  may the vegetarians be damned!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't get a chance to see his, but as always the moderators will exercise their rights and I will accept their decision...
  
  ... see you in a few days.
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WoodsmensPostposted 13 years ago
I don't know Mark Knowles but I think he might be following me @WoodsmensPost is that scary?
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BDazzlerposted 13 years ago
I find myself being more offended by believers who are offended by Mark than Mark himself.

Why should believers expect someone who doesn't believe to act like they believe? That seems ... silly.

Mark's rude, sure. Blunt. OK. Opinionated? Absolutely. Offended by believers? Yep.

Is he created in God's image? Yup.
Is he a talented individual? Yup.
Is he a good writer? Yeppers.
Does he piss me off a lot? Absolutely.

So, like all of us, he has good and bad qualities. Again ... why does someone who doesn't just back down when you throw the word "God" around intimidate or offend you?

God never granted us the right to be unoffended. He gave us the choice to be unoffenable.

So, tell me where it says we have to MAKE him or anybody else believe the same thing we do in order for him to be valuable to God? And if he has value to God by what right do those who believe in God engage in personal attacks on him?

Yeah, as a non-believer his rules of engagement in a debate are different.

Why is that intimidating?

The apostle Paul said, "Jesus came to save sinners of whom I am Chief"... Attacking people is different than attacking ideas. The basis of our belief is that none of us is perfect. So what if Mark points that out more than most. If it's true, we need to hear it. If it's not, it doesn't matter.

Do I think Mark is wrong about the existence of God and value of region? Of course. Will I go after his ideas and thoughts? Sure.

But if I attach him, I am not attacking him, I am attacking the God who made him. We who believe KNOW that our every word will be judged.

Hmmm.... maybe I still have a plank in my eye that I should be working on.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you forgetting that Mark is evil and throws cats into garbage bins!?!?
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL ... the receptionist came into day and told me she killed two cats in the past 24 hours. One crawled into the engine and died when the car started. Then one ran in front of her on the way into work.
  
  Cats are having a bad week, Mark's just helping 'em.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Best post, you win the competition!
  
  Well stated.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you tellin' me god looks like Mark Knowles?
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  *sigh* it's distinctly possible. Especially with that camera.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is a shutterbug too? Wow! He is a versatile deity! I wonder if he has any naked pics of Eve?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "attacking the God who made him?"
  
  LOLOL
  
  Sorry, but that's comical!
  
  You're trying to defend someone's non-existent belief in God; matter of fact, Mark has openly claimed that he's descended from animals, as in basic evolution as touted by Darwin or some nut; and I've never seen him show even a hint of desire to be a child of God (which, if he wanted to be, then your theory of paralleling Mark to God would have at least some integrity).
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now she is calling Darwin a nut. He is dead, so I guess he can't complain. Could his descendants log in and have her banned?
  
  Any Darwin descendants here?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am related to Darwin
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was related to Great, Great, Great Uncle Dar Dar (our nic name for him) through common ancestors waaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaaay back..
  
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Did your Uncle Dar know my Cousin Win?
  
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  maybe.. but isn't that Jack Nicholson?
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  klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, Drawin was a nut. But that doesn't mean God didn't love him.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you happen to see the movie "Creation"?
  He wasn't such a nut. He was actually only writing about his observations in nature, traveling the world on a merchant ship. He could never reconcile what the church taught with what he witnessed in nature.
  
  That doesn't sound nuts to me.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Right here! My surname used to start with Dar, but my ancestors wanted a tax break!
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ad-hominem against obama, darwin is acceptible by jesus. Ad-hominem is halal in the world of Christianity & Conservatism.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." is not a true statement when it comes to Mark?
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So then you and your God have condemned him, I take it?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Um... no.
  You compared a person to God.
  No one compares to God.
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  Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The irony of this reply is amusing. When you attack people who share your beliefs in large part based of the nuances of their beliefs that deviate in small part from yours, you weaken your "side" horribly. So divided, there isn't the collective will to accomplish anything and so, Brenda, you are actually creating your own worst nightmare.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Since you brought up the subject, Shades, this is my worst nightmare..
  
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  Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know... you could have some fruit, maybe get a nice foot massage, even looks like there's an Altoid to keep your breath fresh after you eat.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure I should talk to you any more.. I just realized if you remove the S from your name (S as in Satan), it spells:
  
  Hades Breath
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  Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's why the idea of the Altoids really takes that picture out of the nightmare category. Imagine having to taste brimstone all the time.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ever meet my ex girlfriend, Sally "Unhygienic" Ulster?
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My eyes, my eyes!!! Thanks! Now it is my worst nightmare. lol
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and yet, you are oddly aroused, right?
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well... I do feel like fruit for some reason...
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  perhaps a ymmmy banana?
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  rotf. Dirty!
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I find Habee's reply to be far more honest and endearing
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mmmm...I LOVE bananas!
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  rotf, habee walked right into that! I love it!
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I used to love it when they walked into my bananas
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Knock, knock...
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
why did the chicken cross the road
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And why does the chicken run away from the rooster?
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought they already answered that question.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
I don't think you can judge a persons character by posts in a religious forum. I'm pretty certain he's a very nice guy. he helps everyone on this site with his generous knowledge of how to hub successfully.

you have to admit, some of the posts here kind of invite a MK kind of response.
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
yes i can
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not really. I think you said that in response to my post.. all it would be is your opinion. our opinions don't determine someones character.
  
  I don't have the same beliefs as some of my family, some of my best friends and I don't think any less of them. they're amazing people. the same goes on a forum. just because I don't agree with some of the people here doesn't mean they're 'bad' people. that would be a crazy way to live IMO.
  
  unfortunately, many people do live that way.
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Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago
Look again people.
I didn't call Obama stupid.
I referred to stupidity reigning.
Others here took that to a different tangent.

and I'm in good company, wouldn't you say, because the all-perfect Mr. Obama said a certain police officer or department acted "stupidly". ?

And anyway, I'm certainly not worried about Obama popping in here and bashing me.
He would send his secondary tongue-twisters. Like Robert Gibbs or David Axelrod, or some similar mindless-speaking minion.

...Maybe he already has!....

Watch out people! You must assimilate fully into the agenda of "change"; else you'll be in danger of being on the other end of the liberal axe!
(Comical, but oh so true!)
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unlike your typical spewings, Obama actually used the word correctly to describe a momentary state of mind. Proper word usage is so rare today.. Especially by many of our conservative pals.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah let's ban them from hubpages too.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ban against ad-hominem is way better than what fundamentalist did in the past or could do to this world in future. Remember galileo, hypatia ? Oh wait, these two were sarcastic satanic witches. *ahem*
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Witches satanic...a common misconception.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not according to the Bible.
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What does the Bible say about you Brenda?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Something about being the word, the light...
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It says things you should read again, instead of twisting it like I've seen you do time after time around here.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, wonderful things, like when to stone people, when to burn them, when to cut off their hands.. Important things for daily living.
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why not just answer the question Brenda? Cannot find your name 'written in the book'?
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  See ? There you go @luvpassion
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My Wiccan roots have given me away...I'm evil, watch out GRRRR.
  
  BB
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh we all knew that, Luv
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No Summerland for me.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wasnt that Elvis' place?
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  srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not too late for you Luvpassion.
  
  God Bless
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is Graceland silly.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Word police?
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where?
  
  No I don't think I'm satanic.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying the police department acted stupidly?
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I rather expected that you would not be able to discern the nuance there.
  
  I do not feel disposed toward educating you. Someone else will have to tutor you as to why anyone can act stupidly while "stupidity reigns" in the sense you used it is an oxymoron.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol
  I wasn't asking you to "educate" me.
  That would be rather "oxymoronic" in itself!
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh, of course. And yet you do not understand. How amusing. Elements of irony, in fact.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Saying "actions stupid" is perfectly acceptable but saying someone is stupid qualifies for ad-hominem. But then again we can call darwin nut without giving empirical evidence against "common ancestor" point then anything is acceptable ya know.
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BDazzlerposted 13 years ago
1 Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
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For Non-believers ... I expect them to repay evil for evil or insult with insult ... Believers are called to a different standard.
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Too bad they don't actually believe it.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some of the "blessings" y'all have put on people sure are not things you would want returned!
  
  But then again, the recipients were usually left incapable of any response.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to thank you for the opportunity to not return then insult.
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Insults are still insults even if you say it nicer. lol I guess that is the glory in education. Satire is a bitch! xo
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shhhh... You'll let everybody know I'm not perfect
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol Perfection is imperfect.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truth is insulting?
  
  Wiccans. Druids. The Crusades. Abortion Doctors. Gays. Jews.
  
  Plenty of "blessings".
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please point to any of my writings in which I have advocated violence against any of those or similar groups based on my beliefs.
  
  I know why I think those things are wrong.... I'm surprised that you would make a "moral" argument, as from a strictly rational perspective morals are subjective ..
  
  Rationally, from a non-authoritative moral stand point, it was simply survival of the fittest. These groups exhibited behavior and/or genetic traits different from the majority of their local society ... it was in the nature of the animals in the group to destroy those other animals that showed traits they found undesirable ... it was simple evolutionary behavior.
  
  To imply that somehow we are "better" than that or that the act of destroying that which we find disturbing implies that some sort of irrational moral authority exists.
  
  Now, as I happen to believe that authority exists, on the basis of that authority I can tell you that I believe the behaviors you mentioned are, in fact, wrong.
  
  Based on an evolutionary world view, these were simply animals culling the herd. Much like a wolf killing the weakest pack members.
  
  Your implications that they are wrong, seems internally inconsistent.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how whenever you mention the horrible history of Christianity, you get 'But I don't do that!"
  
  But your religious brethren did. And still do.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see .... and you of course, accept responsibility for the atheist purges of the Jews in the Soviet Russia and you support those who claim that all Muslims should be eliminated because of 9/11.
  
  Your arguments are not rational nor internally consistent.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why should I? I am not a member of any of the politcal parties involved and would speak against them always. But you support Christianity and help spread it.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  *yawn*
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is the best you can do?
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You don't advocate violence. I have never seen a post where you did however, it is 'chilling' to know that you are supporting people that do based on a 'moral principal' a belief in the same book.
  
  When you ask an abundance of christian's what the 'rider on the white horse' is, they will be split 50/50. Believing the 'rider' is symbolic of evil or symbolic of justice or righteousness.
  
  The complications seem to be coming from the very same origin and part of that is from 'indoctrination' or in some way believing that if 'someone is chosen' to inflict justice or avenge the 'saints' then it is a righteous act.
  
  Others will say, there is nothing righteous about taking justice with a double edge sward. Meaning of course, conquering by means of force and equal slaying doesn't make it good it makes it ignorant and evil.
  
  Now on morals. There is no other way to explain morals other than by observation. People were killed for all sorts of stupid reason. They must have not thought much about the emotional and physical effect it had on the ones left behind. In time, everyone could agree that 'killing' is bad. We shouldn't do that.
  
  But society seems to have taken a huge leap back and decided that it is time for justice and the one commonality they have is 'god'. Whether the Bible god or otherwise, there is conflicting understanding about justice, righteousness and moral obligations.
  
  There isn't any righteousness or justice in the way 'they' are acting these days. Religion and Politics will never mix but the 'blind calling' of those who say they have been 'called' to get rid of the government ironically, are subject to their own moronic false sense of 'god'.
  
  If they were actually called to do the 'justice' and it was good, then you could be certain that the bs that is going on today would not be the bs that is going on today.
  
  So while it is true that religions have caused more grief in the world than anything else. The one cause I see for the conflict is 'understanding' Or as my new favorite quote goes from the Sentences of Sextus is that, "To understand you must have understanding, in all things is this sentence."
  
  You know me better than most but if I was asked to stand blind side someone who mearly says 'they have the truth' or 'they have been called' I could not ignore the sward the sward in the right and pretend that it will do some good.
  
  If, for just one instance some could just not talk about god or say your god is right or wrong or whatever and that was kept purely personal, then no one would be subject and what is good would show as good and bad as bad but not because of a false belief in god.
  
  Good people are not vengeance seekers. Good morals are not justified by god. Righteousness doesn't stand along side unrighteousness for the glory of 'god'.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Politics and religion are, historically, a seriously messed up mix, and they will continue to be so.
  
  Among people I love dearly are atheists, wiccans and gay clergy. There are a lot of political liberals that I know to be Christians. And I disagree with them. A LOT. But I love them dearly and they love me. My personal relationships are above politics. In fact, my first hub was to tell conservatives to chill out on the Obama-Antichrist Rhetoric. I figured it would be more effective coming from an insider.
  
  To say I "support" is a bit of an exaggeration.
  
  I've voted once or twice since 1998 and I don't think I voted in the last presidential election. Neither side had anything that I felt like I could vote for. I am absolutely against Obama, but the republicans haven't impressed me much since 1993 or so, and even then, not so much.
  
  I quit giving money to political parties and campaigns in the late 80s or early 90s.
  
  Now, it's true, that because of family connections, I could walk into the office of one of a dozen or so elected republican officials and have a talk ... and I am for smaller government, private enterprise, correct regulation with decisions made at the state and local level rather than the federal level.
  
  I don't think you've ever seen me use God as a basis for my political opinions either. I am Christian and I am politically conservative, but those are two separate facts. The one does not follow from the other.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  non-believers got satandard.
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sydney1282posted 13 years ago
ok so its a diffrend thing and when will that end
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Well, to be honest, Greek, I DO prefer clean bananas over dirty ones!
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you like them ripe or ready for Banana bread?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ok, but what one 'prefers' usually goes out the window after a few drinks and closing time
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habeeposted 13 years ago
I like a nice, firm one.
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Don Simkovichposted 13 years ago
Sigh! The Pittsburgh Pirates are the worst team in baseball. Ugh! This year was supposed to have been different. Habbe might as well throw them some dirty bananas. (Is this off-topic?)
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Who's there?
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sandra rinckposted 13 years ago
Orange...
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answer5posted 13 years ago
who's there
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  sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no body...
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Sandra, you did good.
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
yeah
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
yeah i get it
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
good night
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SilentReedposted 13 years ago
WOW!!! That stirred a hornet's nest. Being relatively new at this forum, I ask the question tongue-in-cheek. No offense to Mark Knowles.I enjoy his insights....and his cutting remarks, although I wouldn't want to be at the end of it :-)
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
This thread is a legend in it's own lunch break.

I reckon Mark is about as scary as the Australian Koala!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  mark is hilarious. You want to talk to him, say Jesus! louder...Jesus!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark has a healthy capacity to see the difference between reality and fantasy. ..... and the knowledge to support his point of view.
  No doubt a terrifying combination for a religious zealot to confront!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Healthy would be pushing it. He's funny. He operates on keywords. Must be habit.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As for knowledge, lets just say... Too much x- files not enough nature.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never spotted any X-files type thinking, but I know he has a good handle on scientific method and religions.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He is not dumb, true. But from my discussions with him, what I gathered is he is also not the most updated person on earth...and his field of interests are limited to suit what he already believes. Knowledge is not a fixture. It expands and evolves.
  
  But we tend to view people favorably if we agree with him. I for one, do not.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As for x-files....yes, he does have a tendency to go the route of the aliens did it.
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  klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Cecilia... welcome back!
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not enough myth in his opinions, Woo Woo? LOL! Gotta answer for him since he is not here!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You did that very well Randy! Next you will have a certain person on here swearing you are a Mark Knowles sock puppet!
  Talk about conspiracy theories! She had most of us tagged as such once!
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
Afraid of the rantings of a madman, nawhh, just laughable.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark doesn't cop your holier than thou crap and neither should he or anyone else for that matter!
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Disturbiaposted 13 years ago
Holy cow, is it safe to come out yet?
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
yep and i love it so did you check it out
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sydney12770posted 13 years ago
click topics and then i show's you piture's
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