Mark Knowles-???-Who is this guy???
If that's what you believe about Mark, then you obviously do not know Mark.
Uffffff that'll be one the flies over many a head Maddie. A pity
I will just point out that I believe I have read this online, and am not disclosing information that he has told me in confidence. The problem is that I am now struggling to find the source, so I now doubt myself a little
I hope that I am indeed correct... and I am now desperately looking for the source. The problem is that a google search on 'Mark Knowles $100,000' brings up a tennis player named Mark Knowles who played in a $100,000 charity event!!
A funny Christian trying to make an example of a non-believer. And this is what they each learn? Good job at learning.
I have more strengh than you because I have God on my side! He has not shaken my faith at all!! I have posed a question about his decision to come on christian forums and abuse his right....
Would a weak person even challenge someone with more popularity, I think not, but a follower like yourself wouldn't.
I challenge you, Cagsil to come play with team God, and get what I get! I'm not selfish because I want everyone to know the wonderful God I know---please look up meaning to words before you throw them out there! I would be less of a christian if I didn't spread his word!
And with all your rude comments I still love you....
Wow!...you got me Greek...i'm there too; and i'm moving to TO..where else is there to go?...in fact i'm moving downtown next to the AC centre.
...i know...you TO folks...have all the fun!
- omg this thread is killing me!!!!!!
Some threads call out to be hijacked and destroyed.
The Greeks are on the case - nobody destroys things better than Greeks. Time to start smashing plates
Oh, go for it. That way I get to count how many Christians that thrive on dissent visit it, and publish the results later in a hub that pisses EVERYONE off!
Sorry, that translated funny. You just said that you want to count how many Christians thrive on descending to hell so you can publish results that piss everyone off!
That was so well said Ryan.
Really? You want to know huh? OK - I will help you out. Oh - and I only just noticed this thread - I am on GMT+1 and was asleep through a lot of the laughable psychoanalysis. Except for Shadesbreath and the Greek of course - they were bang on.
"Know thyself" is one of my favorite maxims.
I do find it entertaining that anyone who sees religion as an evil abomination (as I do) is automatically considered hateful and angry.
The Christian religion - along with any other monotheistic barbarian religion belongs in the dark ages and - IMHO - is responsible for holding us back as a species. The teachings in the bible are our death knell.
Go forth and multiply?
The earth was created for man to use for his own purposes?
A Chosen people?
Herein lie the seeds of our self-destruction. Tribal thinking, guaranteed to cause conflict.
The Christian religion is evil, forms the basis for Western Consumerism and Semantic legal systems and Governments that will eventually drown us all in conflicts - perhaps even the "final conflict" that you all seem to be praying for.
The Christian religion wiped out almost all knowledge during the Dark Ages - despite arguments against this. Most "witches" burned at the stake were educated women who could read. That was their crime - they could read. What precious knowledge was the church destroying? We may never know.
Christianity has been the cause/tool of the destruction of many other cultural groups, from the Cathars to the American Indian.
The very idea that Christians are "saved" when all others are doomed is 100% guaranteed to cause a fight.
This incessant need to "spread the word" is guaranteed to cause a fight.
Your god does not exist. Your religion is evil and produces nothing but hatred and ill will. I will do my damnedest to argue against it until such times as we decide we can dispense with it. Then - maybe - we can sit down and take a look at the societies and values we create for ourselves and decide to make a change.
Our governments are based on the same self-serving system that religion creates - and they are doing exactly what the churches taught them to do.
Lets try teaching our children how to make ethical decisions for themselves - because they want to - not because the invisible Super daddy sez so. That does not work. Lets see if we can do it before we have hunted the last blue fin Tuna down for sushi and there are so many people on the planet we have no where left to go.
You want to know what I think and look at some suggested alternatives?
http://hubpages.com/hub/christians-on-hubpages
http://hubpages.com/hub/Rational-Code-Ethics
I despise this nationalistic/tribal thinking that your religions create. And I do not single Christians out - I happily say the same to anyone who tells me they have the truth spoken into their head by a invisible super being. There are just more of you here.
Why is it a problem for you that some people think your religion is not a good thing? At least you can no longer burn me at the stake for doing so.
Not interested in hearing that those were not "real" Christians. Sorry - they were.
I hope that explains some.Thank you Mark, I think Rational-Code-Ethics is wonderful, but you don't follow that. It says:
The Code
1.Do not hurt, harm or abuse other people
2.Do not force your will on other people
3.Do not take what is not yours
You have done all of these things, when you come to a christian forum and interupt it. And there are plenty other codes you have broken but the first three are prolly the most important....
I don't have a problem with your opinion but I do question the motives behind coming to find christianity forums and "burnin us at the stake".
If you don't agree then fine! But let's teach the children to value others opinion, and be respectful... You can't understand someone point of view if you come in with a negative attitude. And I challenge you to read the whole bible....
I wouldn't be a good christian if I didn't try to save souls. I'm only doing what God has called me to do as a christian... Please respect that and others-thats all I ask.
Proverbs 11:30 (King James Version)
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
Ezekiel 3:18
When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood.
If I was you I would totally skip over the christianity forums, but instead you seem to get delight in confrontation....
I thank you again for replying, I just wanted to know who Mark Knowles was,,, and it helped spread my agenda! Love u
NatashaYou can't ask for respect when you don't offer any. To go about "saving souls" is not respectful to those you try to convert. In fact, it is quite disrespectful and very selfish as you are not interested in them personally but are only self serving to your ambitions. You are using them to forward your personal agenda.
Be respectful by keeping your beliefs to yourself and you will gain the respect of others.LOL At least I can use a spel cheker.
oh, good one.
I always remember it that there is a "lie" in belief.
also, an "end" in friend. hmm thats wierd isnt it?
Where did I ask that of you? I never said that, did I?
Yes, you do, you have admitted that is your calling.
It's a discussion forum in which people may disagree with one another, that is the point of the forum. Why would you have a problem with others disagreeing with your beliefs?
Exactly, so it is actually you who are being disruptive as it is you who is trying to convert people to your religion.
No, I am talking to you. Mark would never have to say a word if it wasn't for Christians trying to convert in the first place. Converting is very disrespectful of others. You need to show respect before you get it.Here lies the problem - there is no Christian forum here. This is an international writing site, which happens to have a forum attached. Here, people from all over the world can share ideas, debate, and question each other. If you open a thread here, it is going to attract people with different opinions.
Ultimately, if you want a Christian forum to share ideas with like-minded people, without disruption, there are many out there, just as there are many forums for atheists/pagans/buddhists. There, the owners/moderators have the right to do as they please.
Starting a personal passive-aggressive attack thread is a very low blow...despite your claims of 'loving people,' you have shown very little of that.
@Greek: About saving Mark's soul - perhaps we could pickle it in Ouzoa soul is an important thing Sufidreamer, but I'm not wasting my Ouzo #12 on anybody
Gentleman Jack please. It is sooooooo expensive here I am reduced to Pastis until such times as I make a gazillion.
You drink Ouzo #12!?!
That is one bad Ouzo, man - far too sweet - I thought that you were a man of exquisite taste!
Don't worry, Mark - I am pretty sure that BDazzler has the preserving your soul with bourbon angle covered
EDIT: Great minds think alike, BD!Sorry, but the best Ouzo I've ever had was on the Island of Ios, party capital of the world.
Try Lesvos - that is the home of great Ouzo. Barbagiannis Aphrodite (48% alcohol and a slow, delicious slide into eternal oblivion) is amazing stuff, although hard to find.
Mind you, I have never visited Ios, so might add it to the list of places to visit.
It is certainly the most attractive offer so far.
Dear me. You publicly accused me of harming and abusing other people, forcing my will on others, taking what is not mine:
And then you demand that I respect your opinion? Why on earth should I respect this opinion? I would need a frontal lobotomy to respect this opinion. Or at least a bottle of Ouzo no 12.
I asked you to show how I did any of these things - instead you ignore the questions and claim that you are taking this opportunity to force your opinion on others. The fact that you call it "saving souls for god" does not really change that.
You are a perfect example of why I speak out about your religion.
Plus - after calling me out in public - you did not even have the good grace to acknowledge or deal with anything I said other than to lie about loving me and pretend that you do not have a problem with my opinion.
That is rude.
You asked - I answered - you ignore what I said and claim that is being "respectful"?The one and only reason I am labeled "atheist" is from an assumption that there is an invisible super being and anyone that does not agree needs a label.
Thank you, and that is my very argument http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/48899
I was called an 'athiest' so many times on here that I began to believe that I was an 'athiest'.
Now being called a liberal, that I am happy with. At least I would be happy with that if the American right wing didn't somehow oddly throw 'liberalism' in with the same pool as 'communism'.
So - you are quite comfortable attacking me and then not bothering to respond?
Sad really. No morals. None.
if Satan does have a laptop, he probably bought it from....
hahahahahaha
EVIL INSIDE !!!!!
He is a condescending va***a as one of your colleagues once established and even devoted a hub to that. But then I was accused of the same
LOL Greek got it right - just replace the stars with what he suggested.
Ask Maddie. I used it once on forums, and then she asked me not to use it any more. So I do
LOL I don't remember, for some reason I thought it was you.
Now, you remember the case no doubt, you did moderate this hub - so am I allowed to use "condescending vagina" on the forums when I (occasionally, like here) recall the case? I am having really hard time trying to work this out 
- exactly!
we seem to have them periodically here....
- Kathryn LJposted 14 years ago
0 He is a good cook I am still waiting for a dinner invitation
Kathryn:
"Well he has a beard so he must be batting for team Satan."
That strikes me as a beardist remark. Are you beardist? Fess up!
Might I remind you that JESUS also sported a beard?
Although I've heard that post-resurrection he went with a more metrosexual soul patchNo Greek, not just Poly. It's Poly, Wally, and Doodle. Poly means *many*.
you mean from the Greek "poly" meaning "many"?
That language is way too confusing for me
Greek One: Yes, My God is named Poly. Or, as he-she is better known here on HP, MISHA!
Kathryn: Yes, I think that's a capital idea for a debate. Of course you realize, one of us will be forced to argue that being "bearded" is a sin. How are we gonna decide? Virtual rock,paper, scissors?Vagina.
May I also post pictures?- Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago0
as a great king once said.........
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!? - zampanoposted 14 years ago0
- zampanoposted 14 years ago0
...watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow...
- zampanoposted 14 years ago0
Mark please stay out of this forum topic.. it is ABOUT you, not for you.
Once we have canvassed everyone and determined who and what you are, we will advise you as soon as possible.
Thank you for your patienceThat was only once and ages ago - therefore it does not count.
I just think he has a right to defend himself when he is being called out so publicly. Even if he does eat the flesh of baby seals. Poor seals
Mark ... I read some of your hubs - they are not nearly as controversial as I thought they would be! The OP gives you a lot of credit for turning HubPages on its head. I don't see it. I guess that means your hubscore is going up the more times I click.
I think that nlogan and Mark Knowles have a lot in common. They both like confrontation. For if nlogan didn't like confrontation, she wouldn't have singled him out. If we are asking for respect, perhaps we might give some - calling someone out in a public forum - dedicating a forum topic to his name - is not what I call respect.
Oh and just for the record, I don't want you to save my soul. I have that covered. Its distasteful to think that everyone wants your brand of God - its incorrect to assume that everyone needs your brand of respect, because at this point, it seems to me that respect is not what you are after.
Team God? Do you play baseball in the sky - ridicule those who are not exactly like you, don't agree with you, condemn those who are not the same as you? By the way this issue was addressed by a member of Team God, I will pass on joining that Team.That's always the problem - we used to have a lot of moderate Christians here and some great debates, with very little nastiness. Sadly, most of them became very frustrated with the extreme views and left, or do not bother with the religion forums - I rarely do anymore. Not worth it
Have to agree with you there - that is a very poor representation of Christian values. I know many Christians who go out and help people, regardless of their faith/belief/politics. They are the people that I have respect for.
If a god decides that it is OK to torture billions of people for all eternity, then I would turn my back on such a God, rather than take joy from the idea that people are going to suffer.
And this is our loss.
Oh, Pcunix, you are always my voice of reason.
You always put things in perspective. I always appreciate your perspective. LOL
I suppose, I was pulling from my own experiences with that particular comment. I found that all I received was a bunch of nasty Christians and they really did color my view of God. I have now since figured out that I just must believe in a much different God than the people who condemn me.
I want to retract that portion of my comment. You are absolutely right, its not nasty Christians who make people disbelievers. But I still believe if she would live by example - by the real message everyone is always preaching about - this thread would not have been created in the first place.
Unlike some who are defending Mark in this - I hadn't even heard of him really until I came across this forum thread. I didn't know his views and I didn't know how postings in other forums. Now I know that I don't agree with him, and you know I don't agree with you, lol, on the God thing.
The difference between my brand of Christianity and the others in this thread (nlogan, et al) is that I am not going to stand for a personal attack on someone. Its insulting and its not nice. Christians are supposed to love people, see the good in people, and not intentionally instigate an arguement.
As ryankett said, its not about whose beliefs are better or right. Its about the personal attack on another person. I don't care who believes what and I don't think its anybody's 'job' to make them believe in God. This type of action is certainly not the way to do it.
You use people for your own ambitions, to confront them with their beliefs. You said you were attractive, buy that isn't attractive at all. You said you're not confrontational and a loving person, but you called out Mark and insulted him personally. Everything you say you are is null and void by the OP you presented.
The question then remains, a giver of what? It wasn't just attention.
- pinkyleeposted 14 years ago0
- you just forgot the smiley, see, now its funny!
Nope. Neither. But put two Mark Knowles together and you definitely have Maker's Mark!
M A R K K N O W L E S
OMG you need to post this in "mark of the beast" forum and hub it. The world will be converted and you'll be the new prophet.
...but you forgot about the leafs....
...not fair....i luv you...
...can we make up now...is this better?
...but..... i still luv you...you'll luv me back one day....i'll wait...so for now...
I'm always in love. Love is a many spintered thingee.
..finally...i think............you're somewhere on the left coast...this'll do...
...you forgot.....remember.....i'm gonna remind you.....Elvis is in the building.....'Burnin' Love'....
Nice.
In my case, "a hunka hunka burned up love..."
That is me.
Ah, so freedom of speech (included in our civil rights) is only as good as the amount of money generated by the speaker?
You've posted a long post here trying to qualify what you said, but ultimately what you said was that it's okay for Mark to say anything he wants to say as long as he makes money for HubPages, unlike little ol' me who doesn't make as much money for HubPages.
How very fair and balanced you are!
How very tolerant!
How very civil-rights-upholding!
LOL
NOT.
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