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20 Pecent Decline in Traffic from Panda Hit May 2013

  1. janderson99 profile image83
    janderson99posted 4 years ago

    Looks like HP and Squidoo have both suffered a 20% decline in pages views from the latest Google Panda Hit - early days of course. Ho Hum! What a bum!
    http://www.a1niches.com/pandahit.jpg

    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      As always, looks like this update is good news for some and bad news for others.  HP may have an overall decline, but my traffic hasn't changed one iota.

      1. Pamela N Red profile image89
        Pamela N Redposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Mine actually went up and I'm seeing quite a few Hubs in the top list when I do a Google search so I don't think it's across the board hit.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image86
          paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Paradigmsearch looks for his teddy bear...

  2. paradigmsearch profile image86
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    Interestingly, my illustrious main website has gone up during all this. What with my currently being hub unmotivated, I've decided to spend my time throwing posts right-and-left at the website instead.

    1. livewithrichard profile image86
      livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You'll see even better results if you throw them right in the center....

  3. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 4 years ago

    I imagine the next few weeks will be bumpy.  I tell the team here not to get too excited on increases or too down on losses.  We are expecting another Panda update, and the announced Penguin update by early June.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image86
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      http://memecrunch.com/meme/L8EU/it-s-all-cool/image.png

      1. janderson99 profile image83
        janderson99posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The QAP seemed to work last time the was a Panda hit.
        But QAP has not worked to vaccinate HP against Panda this time.
        I wonder why?
        What else could it be?
        What can we as author's do to recover traffic?
        What should HP do?

        1. SimeyC profile image89
          SimeyCposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I think we have to 'wait and see' with this one - as Paul E said there is another Panda update coming and traffic swings are the norm on the web! Some top corporations have been heavily effected so I suspect this Panda release will be removed or changed pretty quickly - money talks when it comes to Google!!!

        2. Will Apse profile image87
          Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Someone needs to nudge that needle forward a little.

        3. PaulGoodman67 profile image93
          PaulGoodman67posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          A case of wait and see, I guess...  By the end of June we might have a clearer idea of Google's (fiendish?) plan!  smile

          I'm hoping that all the HP and hubbers' work on improving the quality of the site will pay off, but it's impossible to know how Google will act.

          I must confess to some degree of anxiety.  Mainly because currently HP and Squidoo are both being hit at the same time.

  4. sabrebIade profile image82
    sabrebIadeposted 4 years ago

    My Quantcast says HP is only down 5% (global monthly) but the chart looks nothing like what you have.
    It shows Squidoo down 16%....
    What are you using?

    1. janderson99 profile image83
      janderson99posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      default (US) with page views

  5. paradigmsearch profile image86
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    I actually worked up the motivation to update a hub this morning (5:30 am). Will wonders never cease...?

    1. sabrebIade profile image82
      sabrebIadeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Don't feel bad Para.
      Updating is all I do anymore.

  6. aa lite profile image90
    aa liteposted 4 years ago

    Hell, even British MPs (or at least Margaret Hodge) has been on TV saying that Google is evil!  There are not many times when I agree with anything that Honorable Members have to say, so this is quite remarkable.

    "calculated, unethical and evil" is the specific phrase used I believe.

    Strange though, I thought big one-off panda updates were not supposed to happen anymore.

  7. Len Cannon profile image86
    Len Cannonposted 4 years ago

    Yeah I've gone down a little bit, but I'm still doing pretty good compared to a year ago. Not going to sweat the (relatively) small stuff.

  8. Mark Ewbie profile image83
    Mark Ewbieposted 4 years ago

    This may come out too small...
    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/8002342_f248.jpg
    ... ah well.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image86
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      A couple of ctrl+'s brings it up just fine. smile

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
        Mark Ewbieposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        If only I had posted it in the Penguin thread.... duh.

  9. Barbara Kay profile image86
    Barbara Kayposted 4 years ago

    I checked my hubs and they are showing up the same on Google as before, except for a couple. I'd say it is a summer drop, but why did it occur over a day's time? A little bit of my traffic has returned, but I have a lot to go before it is back to normal.

    1. janderson99 profile image83
      janderson99posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think it has something to do with Panda not liking the "Related Search" ads (2 extra groups of ads added to all pages). But I've flogged that one hard with no feed-back from  HP.
      The other issue is that many hubs published more that 2 years ago appear in the SERPS using the HP topic URLs and not the Submain ones. Many people have reported that these older hubs appear to be less impacted than the newer ones. It's complex. I would sure like some analysis from staff about these issues and the likely causes. The hit has been significant for many and appears related to what both HP and the authors have done, and perhaps have not done. I would like action rather than ho hum lets wait for the next one from both those back and white cute animals.

      1. Will Apse profile image87
        Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        If anyone wants a glimpse into some of Google's algo changes you could take a look at this page:

        http://www.seroundtable.com/category/google-updates

        A few of the subjects from the last month:

        Google Subject Specific Authority Ranking
        Google: The Spammy Queries To Get Less Spammy
        Google To Soften The Panda Algorithm
        One Year Later, Only 9% Claim Google Penguin Recovery
        Google: More Sophisticated Link Analysis & Link Devaluing In Works
        10 New SEO Changes At Google In Next Few Months
        Google's Major Penguin Update Coming In Weeks. It Will Be Big!

        Stuff about a small group of inconsequential ads is just silly.

        It is hard to know what has caused the recent traffic downturn but essentially, webmasters and writers can do very little but focus on quality issues. No one can game their way out of a problem. No one can change a few details here and there. No one can predict what impact the hundreds of algo changes every few months will have.

        But if you are writing quality pages, then at least Google wants to find them. So you have a chance.

        1. aa lite profile image90
          aa liteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not so certain about the "quality will get you traffic" argument.  I know this is what Google would like us to believe it's doing, and I have no problems with the idea that I should write quality stuff, but..........I still see pretty low quality stuff (Yahoo answers anyone?) outranking stuff that is better.

          HubPages defines quality as....long, in depth information, with lots of images, videos etc.  This is what I try to do.  Yet my hubs on topics that I do actually know a lot about (sadly this is frogs, I love them, I've worked with them professionally, I kept a couple of species as pets, I read lots of stuff about other species that I want to keep) are outranked by pages that quite short, pretty shallow and have very few pictures.

          Ok so my opinion of my own stuff is hardly objective, but honestly there is plenty of not very inspiring stuff on the first page of SERPs.  Also in the latest iteration wikipedia is treated even better than before, general wikipedia pages come up for pretty specific queries.  I can understand why Google considers wikipedia to be safe, but honestly it often isnt' the best source.  It's ok if you just want to find out what something is, but whenever I look up something I am an expert on, I am rather disappointed.

          1. Will Apse profile image87
            Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            As I said, quality writing will give you a chance. You will need some real nouse to actually make a living.

            1. janderson99 profile image83
              janderson99posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              HP testing whether the page payout, the number of ads and their position has triggered the Panda Slap would help as these things are beyond the author's control. This applies to 'Related Search' which adds 2 new ad blocks of 6 ad links each, increasing the number of ad blocks from 7 to 9 (one extra on the right and one at the bottom)

              "Excessive ads: too many ads is one of the low-quality signals that Panda targets. Especially for ads above the fold."

              If the Latest Panda slap was caused by ad changes then fixing this would provide an immediate benefit for everyone. HP staff response to this would be nice.
              Panda is a whole of site thing - so what HP does matters to all mini-subbers

              "Panda can affect an entire site,..... Panda does not tend to affect just single pages of a website. If you have a site that has some good content, but a lot of thin and duplicate content ( in other subs in our case), then the Panda filter can cause the entire site to have trouble ranking, not just the thin and duplicate pages."

              All I want for Xmas is confirmation that these things have not caused the Panda slap as my traffic and HP's are down 25%.

  10. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
    Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago

    I'd like to know how others who haven't been here for the magic two-plus years are faring.  My hit appears to be worse than the 20% - but I've only been on HP for maybe 16-17 months.  My hubs have been updated in the past few months (or else were written then).  Not sure how to tackle this.

    1. Judi Bee profile image88
      Judi Beeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I've been here for less than two years Marcy and my hit is worse than 20% - more like 50% of what was already a steady downward trend.

    2. Daughter Of Maat profile image97
      Daughter Of Maatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Marcy, my traffic is down about 80% and I've been here about the same amount of time as you. I'm not sure how to handle this either. Yesterday, my traffic was going up, and today it's down another 25%... AND IT'S MONDAY! Traffic should be up.

      I shouldn't have looked at my stats because now I have absolutely no motivation to write or do anything online really. sad

      1. Will Apse profile image87
        Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It is depressing that you are suffering these kinds of fall off, because you know how to write a page, a rare enough talent.

        1. Daughter Of Maat profile image97
          Daughter Of Maatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Awe Thanks Will, that made me smile!

          I admit, it really is frustrating for all hubbers that have talent. Unfortunately, there are more people who are trying to spam the site, I think, than there are those who know how to write with decent grammar, let alone a compelling article.

          Google seems to be punishing the good writers. I've noticed many people in the forums who are complaining of lost traffic are writers who create articles worth reading, that actually offer something to the web.

          I wonder if the Google Gods will ever fall off their high horse.

      2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, I am sad and sorry to hear someone with your great reputation here has been hit that hard.  Mine was down at least 50% - started barely climbing, then went down again this past weekend.  It is rising now, but oddly, my Hubber score dropped this morning - by several points (even thought traffic went up).  Nothing like adding more depression on top of other sad news.

      3. rebekahELLE profile image87
        rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        DOM, your hubs look well written to me and are very interesting.  I noticed that some of them may be competing with sites that offer more resources to a viewer, and that can be tough to beat.  If I was searching dragonfly symbolism, I would most likely look at a page with links to other resources regarding this kind of topic.  It may help to include a few resource links and to bold or italicize a few of your words.  I know there are different schools of thought on revenue sharing sites as far as providing outside links, but viewers want pages that offer them more resources all in one place.  Perhaps you could try it on a few hubs, and see what happens.  I looked at your competition on the dragonfly symbolism, and the sites above you are specific dragonfly sites.  You're right up there listed in the 5th spot, but those 4 sites above you are your competition.  I hope traffic returns for you.  Your hubs deserve to be found!

        (I enjoyed reading the dragonfly hub, fascinating creatures.  I also enjoyed reading your hub about the wildlife in Florida.  I've seen many of them!  A few weeks ago I saw an alligator sunning on the banks of the pond behind my workplace.  I wasn't sure that's what it was, so I walked over closer to the pond, and took a picture..)

  11. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago

    Go figure when there is a time they will know the best algo, forever update, forever roller coaster!

    Could be Penguin, Zebra, Panda, Gorilla LOL


    http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-differen … -panda-too

  12. saifirizvi profile image57
    saifirizviposted 4 years ago

    Panda hit many of sites from search engine and give them a  shock by hitting them hard.

  13. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 4 years ago

    @Daughter of Maat I think your content is pretty darn good and something google should be rewarding.

    I've talked with several large sites that are like HubPages. This algo change hit sites like scribd, ehow, wisegeek, answers.  It also impacted all the different page types - hubs, QnA etc.  From all I can see it was an algo change that resembled Panda.

    Google has announced a softening of Panda coming for borderline sites, and Penguin 2. They usually only announce if they're close. So expect these In the next 2 months.

    I tell the folks internally, don't get down when traffic drops or too high when it doesn't.  Just hold the course of making great Hubs, updating Hubs and keep improving our tools to fight spam and we will be fine in the long run.

    1. Daughter Of Maat profile image97
      Daughter Of Maatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      @ Paul E, thank you!! You're too kind, but that really means a lot. big_smile And you did mention something that I think a lot of us hubbers might forget. This is the result of an algorithm. It's not someone at Google actually sitting there saying our work isn't good enough. As writer's, I think we might take these traffic drops personally to some extent, which is obviously understandable. But I thought it was worth mentioning. smile

      In the grand scheme of things, I'm sure this is just another bump in the road, but it's good to know that HP wasn't the only major site hit with this recent update, and that will hopefully put other hubber's minds at ease. (I know it helped me.)

      1. Bedbugabscond profile image92
        Bedbugabscondposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And here I was picturing some Google employee with a top hat twirling his handle bar mustache while laughing maniacally..... tongue

  14. SimeyC profile image89
    SimeyCposted 4 years ago

    A blip or a good sign? My traffic for the weekend rose slowly and has recovered somewhat - however suddenly three hours ago I saw a huge swing upwards. Compared to the same time period last monday, I've doubled traffic in the last three hours and looking at the 'live' stats this seems to be continuning!

    Probably just a blip - but just wondered if anyone else was seeing something similar!

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image93
      PaulGoodman67posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I lost 20 percent and have more or less stayed around that level.  I hope you are recovering, Simey.  Although I have to say that I have come to distrust big surges in traffic, as they quite often foreshadow a fall!  I trust a gradual and steady rise more.  I think like Paul E says, it's probably wise not to get too upset or pleased with fluctuations at present, as a major algo change appears to be imminent. smile  (It's hard, maybe impossible not to go up and down emotionally with the traffic, though, as I know myself!)

      1. SimeyC profile image89
        SimeyCposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        smile I'm hoping it's the other way around this time - I lost 33% - hoping the surge follows!

        Paul E is right though - we've been trhough this before and we'll go through this again! It's fun to watch these mini surges though - especially when I should be working!

        1. Will Apse profile image87
          Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Go on. Say whoopee!

          What is the worst that can happen?

          As an aside, my traffic is rather good given the fact that I haven't done much here in the last 6 months. I want to do more but I have zero multitasking skills. I wake up and wrestle with whatever I was wrestling with the day before, until it is finished.

          It's a me or it, situation.

          1. Daughter Of Maat profile image97
            Daughter Of Maatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            ha ha ha... Will you sound like me! If I try to multitask, I never get anything done!!

          2. PaulGoodman67 profile image93
            PaulGoodman67posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I've been spending more and more time on maintenance, updating, improving, editing, and less and less time on writing new stuff.  It's not a great deal of fun but it seems to keep me afloat, just about.  However, as I've mentioned before, I am more concerned about the situation at Squidoo at the moment - I've lost way more than 20% traffic there.

            1. Will Apse profile image87
              Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              HP should sell Squidoo QAP. Seriously. Many advantages to all parties. The latest downturn here might be the fallout from Google's implacable campaign against Squidoo's lax standards. Or, admittedly, it could be something entirely different. But best to seal all the holes when your boat starts to list.

              1. PaulGoodman67 profile image93
                PaulGoodman67posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It took me ages to get into Squidoo.  I don't think the cute seamonsters are marketed at middle-aged men(!).  But I was doing pretty well over there for quite a while.  (In contrast, my HP traffic took months to recover after the major hit last year).

                I think it's a good thing overall that HP and Squidoo take different approaches.  In my ideal world, they would both perform well, but I can live with just one of them doing good.  I wouldn't want to consider both of them hitting the skids for a sustained period, however. 

                I think the problem for these big sites is dealing with the limitations of the filter software (the smaller sites like Wizzley and Infobarrel can manually filter).  HP's idea of using MTurk seems like a good idea.  I'm worried that Squidoo is placing too much faith in the software, annoying the genuine writers and still not weeding out the spinners etc.

                (Manual filtering of material can have its limitations too, of course.  A machine will always judge your work according to the same rules every time, a human can be fickle however and some of the decisions can seem arbitrary/inconsistent.)

              2. Barbara Kay profile image86
                Barbara Kayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Squidoo is really messed up at the moment. They are locking lenses for duplicate content that don't have any. Others are complaining that they are getting locked for  spam when they just have one set of Amazon ads and others have 250 words and is full of ads and aren't being locked. It's is crazy over there. I'm not taking any chances of wasted content with them.

                1. paradigmsearch profile image86
                  paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, I agree about Squidoo. I kicked them off my horizontal bookmark bar over a month ago. Haven't been by there since. As to how my one-and-only lens is doing over there, don't know and don't care.

                2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
                  Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Their process for detecting duplicate content definitely needs to be tweaked.  To their credit, when I forwarded information about a blatant plagiarist (had to go directly to staff, because the reporting mechanism brought zero results), they handlied it instantly.  But the person had copied multiple articles, including at least two from HP.  But to be candid, I do not know how sites such as HP and Squidoo manage to up with the numerous abuses and the fickleness of Google.  I admire their efforts.

                  1. Barbara Kay profile image86
                    Barbara Kayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I've been here 3 years and since I started this has happened 3 times. Every time HP figured out something to pull us out of it. I have learned not to count on this income.

                    I started writing so my husband could retire at 62. I've forgotten that. You just can't depend on it year round. I think we'll come out of it again.

  15. paradigmsearch profile image86
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    If my current stats are already including the arrival of the usual summer downturn, then things are looking A-OK.

    1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hmm, Memorial weekend.

  16. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 4 years ago

    I've made a few new Hubs, but I spent quite a bit of time making several small improvements.  I need to be more careful and proof read:)  It has been fruitful.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image86
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I understand blue-belly lizards make great hors d'oeuvres.

      1. HollieT profile image87
        HollieTposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        PDS, did you really just say that?

        1. paradigmsearch profile image86
          paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile

          1. HollieT profile image87
            HollieTposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            EAT. LIMA. BEANS LOL.

    2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      As I've mentioned elsewhere, upgrading every hub...and I mean big upgrades, has made a difference for me.  I have found tons of mistakes I didn't realize I had made, and although I don't make much here, I am making more.  I took a hit for a few days, and then my numbers came back to where they were.  If we all would spend some time upgrading, it would help everybody here big time.

      1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you that upgrading & editing helps keep things going, but I'm still not sure the overall return for the time is worth it - especially since, as has been said, you have to tweak over and over. Although I did not anticipate HP providing the type of income it apparently offered years ago, I did not anticipate the issues I've seen and am continuing to see.  I figured an investment of a few years would yield enough revenue to be worth the time.

        The other work I do (consulting and very part-time professor) brings in a very healthy, reliable income; it's enough to live on, and the investment in time is a fraction of what I've spent on HP.  I love the community here, I love the staff, and I believe in the concept of sites that offer high-quality content by a diverse stable of writers.  But financially, this is more of a hobby than a source of income. I'm sure the changes Google has imposed were drastically needed - the content languishing on HP for several years was an indicator of how out-of-control online publishing had become. Multiply that times several similar sites, and it's easy to see why advertisers were probably not happy with the low-quality of views and impressions they were getting.

        I'm not alone in stating that the 'success stories' posted on the front page of the site were a factor in signing up. I know many non-writers signed up thinking all they needed to do was to sap up anything and money would roll in (and they're a big reason we have problems now). But those of us with credible histories as published writers were given the impression that it was worth the effort to sign up and publish good writing and good content. Longtime members here have at least enjoyed the halcyon years, but newer writers have suffered from the start.

      2. Will Apse profile image87
        Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Have to agree with this. I had a big tranche of hubs edited last year. The editor was very, very thorough and found many little mistakes. Even a couple of mistakes quickly lose you respect.

        Also, Americans have different styles in grammar, and, if you are a non-native (I'm from the UK) writing for the US market, you are obliged to take note of them.

        Americans, I discovered, are more likely to use commas before 'and', and 'but', they have no long hyphens, use large numbers of short hyphens plus completely different words and wording in many areas.

        Anyway, I ended up with my more important pages word perfect for the US and I think that has helped.

        Of course, if you bore the pants off your reader, it doesn't much matter if you get the commas in the right place.

        It ain't easy...

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image93
          PaulGoodman67posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          As a Brit in the US I can find myself writing in a kind of cross-Atlantic hybrid of spelling and style - not deliberately, of course.  (People probably think I'm a Canadian?)  wink

          1. Will Apse profile image87
            Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I think you just upset the entire nation of Canada. I would certainly avoid Quebec for a few years, lol.

        2. WriteAngled profile image91
          WriteAngledposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I doubt that the average Internet moron with reading age of 5, for whom we are encouraged to write, is going to have a high sensitivity with respect to comma placement regardless of his, her or its provenance.

  17. janderson99 profile image83
    janderson99posted 4 years ago

    This discussion is a bit too much 'head in the sand' for me

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8015704_f248.jpg

  18. rahulgarewal profile image61
    rahulgarewalposted 4 years ago

    Hi,

    In these days google has introduced new panelties on daily bases. And I think Google now panelize the site on real time scenario

  19. Mark Ewbie profile image83
    Mark Ewbieposted 4 years ago

    I cleaned this up for HP... one word removed.

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8018608_f248.jpg

    1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "Like". Is the word more famous than Facebook?

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
        Mark Ewbieposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well nothing is more famous than Facebook but it's a close second.

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
          prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Oh ok, I just thought that they have the same beginning and ending words. When I type F in Google searches Facebook is there, so I agree with you, it is the number one F. smile

          Or maybe because I always open my Facebook, so G knows it already when I type the word F, it means Facebook smile

  20. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago

    My traffic follows what is happening with HubPages in general. It is difficult to predict the outcome because the algorithm also includes personal searches. This is what the G called the learning tree. I had the highest no. of views after we were segregated (subdomains). There is of course something within HP structure that affects individual subdomain.

 
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