Traffic hit by Google Panda 3.3!

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PaulGoodman67posted 12 years ago
So far, I've lost about 15% of my traffic, since Panda 3.3 began rolling out earlier this week! It's annoying as I'd only just brought some traffic back up by editing and deleting Amazon hubs after a post-Xmas slump that I've struggled to get out of! It feels like Google wants to keep me down on my knees!
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  pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Panda Returns!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  CASE1WORKERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ah that is what it is!- I can agree the loss figure and mine might be a little bit more- at least I am not in the sandbox again!
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  CWanamakerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Man, I knew something was up with my traffic!
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  2besureposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmmm....deep sigh....
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  Bendo13posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I saw a bit of a dip a few days ago but since it's early in the morning on a weekend I won't really know where I stand until Monday or Tuesday.
  
  I have a feeling that a lot of traffic will slowly come back for a lot of us because as I read this was more of a "refresh" of Panda... and the people ultimately decide what deserves to be up top by how they share things and interact with them.
  
  My guess is, that as usual, what Google wants to see on the first page isn't what the people really want to see.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This link was share by a fellow hubber this morning, thought I would share to.
  
  http://searchengineland.com/google-conf … ngs-113078 There will see more of Panda and it is effecting all sites not just HP.
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  Sinea Piesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AEvans, thanks so much for this link. It will take some reading to understand what's happening (will we ever really understand?).
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  rob_allenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, Panda 3.3! So this is the culprit why my traffic is falling? I thought I am the only one who's traffic is declining. Sigh
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  THEHuG5posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My traffic went down for about a week and it's just now starting to come back to normal today. I hope it continues to go up.
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  spokaneseoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just another gimmick to attempt to force people into buying adwords. Sorry it victimized you.
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wildernessposted 12 years ago
Yes, I've seen a decline this week of around that amount. And just when I was hoping to see traffic returning from the doldrums of Jan and Feb.

Ahh, the joys of internet publishing and working with the mighty Google!
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prettydarkhorseposted 12 years ago
For the last four months my day to day traffic fluctuates plus or minus 600 on the average. When I check monthly averages it just fluctuate by less than 100.

I might want to see next week stat. It is too early to tell for me.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, it's always wise to look at stats over longer periods. Plus, the downward swing in numbers might be temporary and the traffic will gradually return (he hopes!).
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  prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Right, we just all can hope that Google stop messing with our hubs - with its "chaotic" algorithm!!
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Anamika Sposted 12 years ago
I am seeing a decline too. I really hope that the 30 fresh hubs I am going to put this month helps me in recovering my traffic. Can't let Uncle G win...
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I plan to write more too and replace all the Amazon sales hubs that I've deleted/moved - there is only so much deleting that I can do without throwing the baby out with the bath water, however! :-)
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sofsposted 12 years ago
I have seen a very sight decline in traffic and it has stayed there for more than 12 hours now... It did look as though the traffic was coming back but hasn't really ..not so far.
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Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago
I've seen a drop too. After all the weeks / months of tweaking, tidying, polishing, improving, weeding, correcting and generally making my pages that little bit better....

I am not happy.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If Mark Ewbie is writing serious comments, things must be bad! ;-)
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  +1
  
  And that's not a frigging Google +1
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  2besureposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Mark,there is nothing wrong with you hubs. Google has rigged the game!
  http://sitesell.com/keep-google-honest.html
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Rosie2010posted 12 years ago
Thanks, Paul, for this thread. I didn't know that there was another Panda tweak this week. My traffic is normally down by 300-600 views during weekends, but recovers by Monday or Tuesday. It's Thursday now and my views are still down.. well, at least it has plateaued (fingers crossed!) and not going further down (again, fingers crossed!!!!).
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  njames306posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Rosie, I am desperate for some help with my hubs. In particular (as I've only just started) how do I generate traffic to my hubs. And what is the best thing to do to increase your hub score.
  Many thanks for your help, regards Nigel.
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  Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Asking such a question on another Hubber's serious discussion thread seems pretty desperate. Maybe you could start your own thread instead?
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  Rayda Jacobsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know if writing to you is one of the things I do to reciprocate or if it helps you or anyone get traffic. Do you know how to figure out earnings, ie how much is a 70 score? Thanks
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LeanManposted 12 years ago
http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2012/0 … anges.html

Created a post earlier today but already off the page.. lol.. My traffic also down about 10 - 15% but it has been up and down for the whole Feb so who knows where it will go..
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Game Obsessedposted 12 years ago
It definitely is not good news for anyone on HubPages this is the 2nd thread I've seen today on this topic.
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soni2006posted 12 years ago
Traffic down by 30% for me.
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mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years ago
My traffic is down too. Not happy as the last two updates have negatively effected it, so I am overall down by about 40% to what I was getting 2 months ago, only it has happened in stages not all at once. Might go back to working on my own site and Wizzley after this 30/30 challenge is finished, (if things don't look up soon.)
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  Dale Hydeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am down like 20 to 30 percent in just the two months I have been on HP. Sort of a low blow that my Google view were higher when I first started publishing here and in a relatively short period, they are going down...reverse... It has always been my experience on all the various sites I write on that the view go forward, not in reverse, lol.
  
  However, I have been doing some "Panda" research today, and from what I can tell, it will only get worse. Time to plant other crops perhaps!
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  Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The traffic patterns you're seeing are very normal for a new account/new hubs. Google usually gives new content an initial boost to see how it will perform, then traffic dies off for a few months. It often takes a good 4-6 months after publishing to see any stability in the search position. In the lull it's a good idea to get a few high quality links.
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  Rayda Jacobsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Dale I hear everyone writing about Panda. What is this Panda thing that happened.
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  Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why not Google 'google panda' ?
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Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago
It's good when Hubbers share stuff like this. Makes you feel less alone.

I really am quite fed up about this. Over the last few months I have re-edited virtually everything, removed garbage, done all the right things to make my pages more of a pleasant experience for potential readers.

Traffic has improved slightly in line with my efforts, or so I thought. Effort in equals reward out.

Now I am at least 25% worse than I was last week.

What happened?

Did a load of stuff that was 25% better than mine get promoted? Did someone from Google read my stuff and say "Oh this is not quite as good as we thought it was?"

I don't mind the game if the game is - put some hard work in and get some tiny reward.

But I'm fed up with the ever changing nature of things.

Seems to me, and yes I am ranting, that Google should fix their f---ing algorithm and then leave the f---ing thing alone. That way I might have a base to work from.

Not this OK today, and rubbish tomorrow.
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Me thinks they (Google) just don't like Hubpages Mark. Too many people who write on both HP and other sites indicate that only their HP views suffer, yet the other sites they write for maintain their views and position. My cynicism is kicking in again, hence the fact I am not convinced there is anything you can do to change things as long as 'hubpages' is somewhere in the URL of your articles. I wish I was wrong, but don't think that I am!!
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Trouble is I like using the HP software. I don't want to work on a lonely site somewhere that gets even worse traffic. Perhaps I'm too lazy.
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think that Wizzley and our own sites look like the best alternatives right now. Wizzley is good, I get comments there, and you would for sure! Wizzley is also very very similar to Hubpages to use, so a painless transition for any who want to try it
  
  Randy is also right, Google should not have this much power, but right now they do, and that impacts on all of our incomes.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've been working at Wizzley and Squidoo. Not much joy there yet. But then after one month and 15 pages/lenses it's too low. I agree that Google are targeting HP - probably because you get higher up the search rankings with articles here, in my experience.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm absolutely sure that it is a Historical Problem between the parties, as opposed to many of the assumptions here.
  
  Our traffic here will also be negatively affected by the promoted changes to link value - I think you may find that HP's 'linking regime' has always helped highlight the 'historical' problems that do exist with Google.
  
  There does appear to be a commercial trade off of sorts.. but that does not necessarily bode badly for HP who, perhaps do have the courage to indirectly attack Google's market share with certain initiatives. Google have vested interests in favoritism and are genuinely conflicted in many respects, which is supported by an open unwillingness from real players, to 'challenge' those influences.
  
  Google have also recently removed the Adsence facility for undeveloped, parked domains and thus forced owners to now employ the parking services of 'Middlemen' and larger Google trading partners! That has forced major changes in that industry and has enabled Google to be more selective in the deals that best suit them! I wonder how close they are to breaching Anti-Trust Laws, if their strategic partners weren't accommodating their changes?
  
  We are merely Pawns and 'OUR' values are being heavily undermined by all of them! Don't ya hate being treated like a damn Lemming?
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  BRIAN SLATERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are perfectly correct Cindy, This site is no longer loved by google so suffers each time there is a new panda. As there are several more pandas planned for 2012 hubpages will continue to decline. In the Alexa ranking site hubpages continues to slip down.
  After the first panda I remember reading the experienced hubbers assessment of what was happening, hubpages chose to ignore them and go its own way. They made each hubber jump through hoops, by asking them to delete this, change this or that and hubbers are still doing this in the vain hope that things will return to the good old days. They won't. Google has fallen out with hubpages so the best thing you can do is open an account at Wizzley and move some of stuff over there. There is also Xobba you can try too. Open up your own website or blogspot and add your pages to them. It's been said several times but it needs repeating here, diversify, don't have all your eggs in one basket.
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  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And a lot of those experienced hubbers no longer write here, and will probably never do so again.
  
  One of the benefits of being out of favour with the big G since August, is that I have started putting things elsewhere, and I rarely post an article on HP any more. Writing for your own blogs though can be lonely and I find that I do miss the community over here, even though that has also radically changed since Feb 2011.
  
  I really wouldn't hang any hopes of the HP staff riding into this forum to give advice and throw a bit of light in the darkness. One of the biggest disappointments to me when my traffic went into free fall last August was the total lack of support from the HP staff; in fact they became very defensive and almost hostile.
  
  I just hope that none of the hubbers here who are experiencing a loss of traffic at the moment, get the negative stuff thrown at them by other hubbers that I and several other August plungers had thrown at them. Constructive criticism is always welcome as we all have areas in our writing that we need to improve and there is always tons more to learn, but it is hard enough losing your traffic and income without having your confidence knocked away further.
  
  So as another hubber has already said, we all need to put our eggs into a bigger selection of baskets
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  BRIAN SLATERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very true, and the forums are now sad places which were once a hallowed training ground.
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  lowelashubbyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Where do you suggest writing Brian? Is there any social article sites that you use other than hubpages that you feel is better? I'd love to know. Thanks!
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  Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This is hardly supported by the data. Hubpages traffic is now very close to what it was pre-panda.
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  BRIAN SLATERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As ever Will, you only ever see the gloss and not the substance. 30=40% drop in viewings isn't recoverable. Amazon pages written on this site now perform very poorly or take your overall domain closer to the sandpit.
  Hubpages despite its efforts haven't been able to match google's expectations. As more panda's come into force more hubbers will fail to see the criteria that they are supposed meet when writing here. I have moved hubs to other sites which are now out performing what they did here, I'm not the only one saying this now, try it for yourself. "Res ipsa locita" quote, the facts speak for themselves.
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  Marcy Goodfleischposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with Brian on the content issues. There has to be some sort of penalty for having a site where anyone can post anything (which is what you see if you ever look at the newest Hubbers and their first posts). I'm not trashing those people, although some are indeed spammers, but they're not familiar with or perhaps even able to write the content HP says it wants.
  
  Will - do you think traffic on HP is due to 'incestuous' traffic and clicks? There's an awful lot of HP writers reading HP content. Which is okay, but if the goal is to be high on the overall search engines, we're just feeding our own audience. Just asking - I am certainly not schooled in this.
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  Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I had more traffic from Google this past week than ever before.
  
  If someone is counting on their work to be successful due to Google's allegiance to some website, then that is a piss poor way to make a dime online. It's a bit better to ....create the best possible content, and worry about which site it's on a bit less.
  
  Why dump on Hubpages? If I felt that Hubpages was declining as you seem to do, I'd not be spending time in these forums, I'd be creating content on some other site.
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  Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am guessing you are talking about a 30-40 per cent drop in your own views.
  
  You seem to be extrapolating from there into some odd conclusions.
  
  There does seem to have been a small downward drift for the site as a whole over the last month but it really is way too small and way too early to see it as a cosmic shift in Google's appraisal of Hubpages.
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  skyfireposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How and on what basis you're so sure that next panda updates will affect only hubpages and not Wizzley or any other revenue sharing site? Are you saying by maintaining some editors these sites are going to get pass in content farm devaluation? What data and social signals are you getting on that front? Sounds like a random funny claim to me.
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have long since done all of that Brian, I have a website of my own, an account with Xobba, Wizzley and two others as well. Trouble is I earn better on impressions as opposed to Adsense Clicks, so anywhere other than here and my income goes down regardless. I already moved over 40 articles in the early months when HP were making everyone jump through hoops trying to gain back the Google Love. I nearly left altogether I was so angry at spending many nights awake all night just deleting RSS feeds and taking out Clickbank links etc. I will leave my articles here for now as I don't want to lose the aging on them by moving them unless the income from them vanishes virtually altogether (not to mention the backlinks to them that are published elsewhere). Such a nightmare, but I shall start writing more elsewhere too after this 30/30 challenge is finished, (just in case).
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're not alone, Mark! Google's got to go! No search engine should be able to control the net as they do. Sure, there needs to be some way of making sure the best info is ranked at the top of the SERPS, but they can't seem to get it right.
  
  Like others here, I've lost the majority of my traffic and earnings because of their stupid bots. I hope Bing and Yahoo kicks their asps!
  
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Susana Sposted 12 years ago
My traffic is down too. Had a slow decline over Feb and lost around 20%, now I'm down another 10%.

The hubs that have lost the most traffic are amazon hubs. Most of my info articles are holding up.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I can second that. I have very few Amazon hubs one of which was getting traffic, and now it's gone. I have tweaked that thing over the last few months and fought a battle with Google - some hits, no hits, some hits and now no hits.
  I guess I won't bother with it anymore. The world won't miss it.
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  Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've had the same thing on individual amazon hubs. Up, down, up, down. It kind of evened out as one was down another was up, but now they're mostly all down - except one or two. Of course one of those hardly ever makes sales! It does have a load of videos on it though...hmmm...
  
  You may have to get drawing as I need some serious cheering up.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Here's a couple...
  
  Sales page, thought I'd won the earlier battle, now dropped to nothing again.
  
  Gay Panda
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  Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Lol If panda was gay he'd probably not be such an evil b***tard.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good point. I didn't mean to imply Panda was Gay in "we're all allowed to choose our own sexual preference way", which is cool and fine - I meant it in a derogatory sense.
  
  Digging a hole here.
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  Marcy Goodfleischposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Susana - read Mark's hub on Google - he updated it. As usual, it's hilarious.
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  Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Susana, do you think it would be a good idea to ...trim down the number of products displayed in our amazon capsules?
  
  Instead of having a length of ten alongside a relevant text capsule, maybe trimming it to five?
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Mate, it is a trial and error situation and has been for some time. You must mix and match in the ways that YOU find best work for you and your unique content!
  Evaluate different structures and how they perform over a measured period... but support each hub with solid text and relevant keywords and you will find the balance that works for you... but likely won't work for others!
  
  Historically, sales hubs have been most effective with more accurate client leading to selectively keyworded product. Isn't that what Your Clients want? Remember you are writing to Your Market.. not HP's market..
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  Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely.
  
  I definitely don't write to target my hp followers...at least not often, I do take the positive feedback from hp readers as a sign of what really is good though, but I've also seen things that my followers or hp readers haven't like do quite well in search engines....
  
  Oh screw it, I'd rather be creating something new than analysing things so much.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yep... that is your path... keep walking away from the storm instead of towards it. as ultimately no body else will dry ya undies if ya wet them! (with or without a storm Wes)
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Shil1978posted 12 years ago
Well, I suppose these updates are going to be rolled out every now and then in the foreseeable future. Not really sure what this latest update is all about. I did read the following link on this update, but am none the wiser for it - G doesn't share much!! The only thing they mention on there is a "link evaluation signal" that G had apparently been using for 'years' that they've now turned off. I guess the drop in traffic is a result of that!!

http://searchengineland.com/google-conf … ngs-113078
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  Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'd read that and no, not much info to go on.
  
  Talking about links, this is interesting reading as well: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/how-google-m … uys-in-seo
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ronaldohposted 12 years ago
Yes, I have seen my traffic fall by 50%. I was wondering how and who panda targets,is it a personal shake up or for hubpages?
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davenstanposted 12 years ago
I just noticed a 50% decrease and I have been promoting like crazy. How do we get around this?.
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sportgamesposted 12 years ago
All the sites with article driven content have lost visitors, not just hubpages.
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  jGauntposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree. Some of the other sites I write on are up, some are down and some haven't moved. Since the move to the subdomains Hubpages has done the worst in terms of traffic, for me.
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Greekgeekposted 12 years ago
*sticks out gay tongue at Mark*

I haven't got enough search traffic (as opposed to social traffic) to be able to tell what Google's doing over here -- I need to build about 20 Seo-ized hubs to monitor -- but for what it's worth, there's two different things that could be in play here, and they're not connected -- Panda (whose algorithm hasn't changed) and the new tweak to how Google evaluates links.

They apparently just reran the Panda algorithm to reevaluate domains, but the criteria used to evaluate domains is unchanged... It's just that content on domains keep changing. Every time Google recalculates Panda, it will impact every page across a domain, and -- maybe -- could be calculated across each subdomain. The only good news here is that it gets recalculated about once a month, measuring all the spam and low quality content on that domain and then giving a small bonus or penalty based on Panda to all pages on that domain. Wizzley has so far avoided a penalty. I'm not seeing a significant sitewide traffic dip for Hubpages in Quantcast, so you may be suffering from the loss of backlink power.

Google's link evaluation adjustment impacts backlinks (there's speculation in the SEO industry that it's the nail in the coffin for pagerank, which Google has relied on less and less, but it's hard to be sure) and is separate from Panda. Bottom line: backlinks don't help like they used to, because Google is trying to block any signals being used to manipulate rankings artificially.

It's a pity Hubpage's tag links are nofollow, but at least we've got the "related" box in the sidebar. Those are NOT artificial backlinks. I think at this point, we have to start worrying more about social signals -- being active on Google Plus and getting into a lot of Circles for example -- since Google's powers that be are now tying employee bonuses to how much each department integrates and promotes the social aspects of Google (like Google plus). I think that decision is going to come back to bite them, but so far, from the perspective of someone using Google to search, I'm still getting good pages that make sense in the results, so apparently from the user's perspective (as opposed to ours) it's working fine. Bleh. At any rate, I'm annoyed enough with Google not to get active on Google Plus, but that choice means I'm missing out on traffic.

Bing and other Google alternatives are getting more traffic since Google annoyed people by combining their personal data across all its services. That means it's time to consider how to optimize for Bing. There's some tutorials on searchengineland, the site I trust most for things like that. Also, Bing has free webmaster tools, including a keywords too, I haven't looked at yet because one has to have a Windows Live account to access them.

Or just say "to heck with search engines; I refuse to jump through their hoops" and keep writing enough excellent sticky content that you get social traffic instead -- word of mouth, retweets, Facebook likes and so on -- which depends on people liking your stuff enough to share it, rather than on automated computer algorithms deciding your content is the best for its topic.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Brilliant answer as always. Google Plus and Circles. Oh Christ, I can't keep this up. I just want to write stuff.
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  Susana Sposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There was an adjustment to panda according to their blog. Easily missed though as it's very short!
  
  "Panda update. This launch refreshes data in the Panda system, making it more accurate and more sensitive to recent changes on the web."
  
  "Making it more accurate" could mean a lot of things. What I'm reading into that very short sentence is this: as panda is an algorithm that learns, the recent learning (data) has been inputted into the algo, thereby refreshing it and making panda more accurate in it's assessment of domains. Or something along those lines...
  
  Panda will get sharper and sharper as time goes on even if no fundamental changes are made to the algo.
  
  As for Bing...over the last month I've been running adcentre ads for one of my clients and the traffic levels are absolutely pitiful when compared to google. Granted it's in the UK where G has a higher market share, but honestly I'm surprised at how miniscule the number of searches are for what should be high volume phrases. Their keyword tool is shite too. Honestly not impressed!
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  Marcy Goodfleischposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent points, GG - I am new (the hated word around here); I have a question. If we write a hub that's evergreen, and it just sits there as-is, does that maybe get factored into the mix and seen as content that's not updated, even though we are also adding fresh hubs?
  
  Another question - how to we monetize on Bing and Yahoo? And does anyone know what their SEO tricks would be? If there are hubs or forums on this, please let me know - I don't mean to start a rabbit trail here.
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georgescifoposted 12 years ago
Thanks God!! Thinks have started changing positively for me after Panda 3.3 update and traffic to my site has started increasing as it was 2 months back. But in the last Panda update my website took a setback in terms of traffic. But this time it seems to be making a good comeback.
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years ago
I've got too much time invested here. I'm branching out to other sites like or similar to this one, and despite how snazzy I think Info Barrel is - Google must really hate that place, I can work harder on something on Info Barrel, and it won't get the traffic from search engines that an exact duplicate would get here.

I'm not sure why that is - but the answer has to be that Google loves Hubpages, or at least hates hp less than it hates IB.

I think I joined the whiz the other day, but haven't done anything there. Oh I should have coffee now lest I say something stupid.
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Randy Godwinposted 12 years ago
Apparently Google has removed most, of not all of my organic backlinks as many of my hubs--which used to have 5 stars indicated on hub metrics--back in August as they all have reverted to showing only one now. I don't backlink and depended on those who like my hubs to do it for me, which I thought scroogle wanted. So much for that! I hope they bite the big one!!!!

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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  When did you notice this Randy?
  
  I just went and looked at half a dozen of my previous most popular hubs and they are all down to one star. They have lost their backlinks too!
  
  I'm sure they were there not that long ago, certainly inside the last couple of months.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry I didn't respond earlier Izzy, but I've been away all day and just checked this thread. I'm not sure when I noticed all of the link stars were missing, but I believe it was a couple of weeks ago. I started to ask on the forums but I figured we would all just speculate and no one from HP would respond anyway. I've just about had it with the silence when stuff like this happens. I once had 5 stars on my best hubs and most had some. Now? Fluuurp!!
  
  If this was my business I'd at least have someone capable of communicating with the writers when these things happen. Who owns this company anyway? I'd really like to have little old fashion southern "come to Jesus" chat with him/her/them!
  
  Has HP ever had anyone who could/would actually bother to have a question answer session occasionally?
  
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry I missed your post a couple of weeks ago then. The missing backlinks are very important. If I'd known, I'd have checked at the time to give us a timeline if nothing else.
  
  It may be a glitch, or it may be something else.
  
  We can't know until an HP staff member tells us, but as you say, since Panda, they've been conspicuous by their absence from the forums in times of crisis.
  
  This may not be a crisis actually, the traffic drop many are seeing are probably due to something else. Certainly it is nothing like what the site felt when Panda struck.
  
  I haven't had a ban yet that I know of. Of course they may well have banned me during times I chose to take a break from the forums, who knows?
  
  That said, I fully feel your frustration. You are one of the very few here who says it like it is, and doesn't pussyfoot around and spend time in the sandpit. I admire that quality in you, and no way have you deserved your recent bans.
  
  It would be nice if at least one member of HP staff would care to explain what happened to the backlinks stars we all used to have.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I should have asked you about this earlier, Izzy. You and I have been in the same spot for over half a year now but it's gotten to the point where nothing surprises me here anymore and I'm weary of asking questions of the breeze. I just noticed one day the metric showing the links were back down to 1 star and I checked my others to find the same.
  
  Hell, I can't even get the mods to tell me why I was banned or why I was "mistakenly banned. For some reason they don't like to explain their actions and apparently feel they shouldn't have to. But they can do as they please if they feel okay about it.
  
  Yes, I know I'm outspoken about things here, but you must remember I've been through similar things before on other sites and have little patience for secrecy between TPTB and the writers technically paying their salaries. Sure I know there are always trade secrets to protect and I respect that. But there's a difference in that and just plain indifference.
  
  I suppose my never having had a boss to intimidate me may also have something to do with my attitude. I'm not accustomed to taking much guff from people who are in the wrong. And I don't merely roll over when done wrong by folks either. I've never had to. I know most people are not like me and have had to deal with all sorts of bosses and levels of command in their jobs. I'm sure it makes it hard for them to rock the boat.
  
  But hey, with traffic as it is now, what do I have to lose? Not my self respect, you can bet your "asp" on that!
  
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andyozposted 12 years ago
My traffic is down around 50%! Lots of my hubs have vanished way down the ratings, all seems to have happened in the last 24hours. Oh dear.
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IzzyMposted 12 years ago
Here's a weird one for you. My sandboxed domain is losing traffic at a fearsome rate hourly too, but Google.com is holding at its previous low level. Bing and Yahoo are also much the same.
Its the international Googles that are dropping the traffic. Not co.uk, but the others.
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dragon-nestposted 12 years ago
Oh dear, traffic down by 70% in the last 24 hrs.
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habeeposted 12 years ago
My traffic took a nosedive yesterday. Ugh.
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PaulGoodman67posted 12 years ago
This is wild speculation by me, but anecdotally, it would appear that people are being hit across HP. One wonders therefore if it *is* the HP linking which has been downgraded by G this time.

However, I would also agree with Susanna S that Amazon hubs seem to have been hit harder than pure info ones.

It is all rather dispiriting, rather like playing a football match where the referee changes the rules every few minutes and doesn't actually tell you what the rules really are!

(HubPages have been good at reacting, but Google seem to be attacking their actual business model, which is suspicious when you consider that Google have related products: Adsense, Blogger, Youtube income generation etc.)
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  Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That doesn't make sense to me. Surely Google makes a ton of money off of this site and other sites that have come after the success of the HP business model....it doesn't make sense to me to punish the hand feeding you to favour your own hand that can't seem to get at the good food on the plate so well as the Hubpages hand.
  
  My information oriented hubs do best as a rule...but I don't think those niches I do that in draw very high paying adverts...but oh well, I guess I've got to go with what does seem to work for me. I've just been wanting to increase my amazon earnings as a personal goal.
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Pearldiverposted 12 years ago
I'm sure that I mentioned all that earlier in the thread
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Steve Lensmanposted 12 years ago
My views were down too in the last week but they have picked up a bit in the last couple of days.

Some of my hubs have vanished without trace on Google but are still on show at Bing and Yahoo.

It is amazing how on this vast world wide web we're so dependant on Google for the outside world to notice our work. They are in control, they alter a few algorithms and we're invisible.
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Will Apseposted 12 years ago
I am seeing a dip but then the whole site seems to be at the bottom of a fairly typical trough. It could/should go up again.

http://www.quantcast.com/hubpages.com

No point panicking for a while.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well that's not what I'm seeing...
  
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I agree. It's disappointing but there is no point doing anything remotely drastic for at least a few weeks, as far as I can see. If traffic gradually goes down from here, it is very bad though. If traffic gradually eases upwards, it's bearable. The hit doesn't appear to be devastating like when the first panda struck a year ago.
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
This could be an issue since the evaluation of backlinks is recent critera in their algorithm. My traffic is down just this past week, and always slows down on Friday and Saturday. Some of my hubs don't seem to be affected. My HP PR still looks ok at this point.
I don't have sales hubs, at least not product hubs, except one.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've checked further and all my hubs seems to have lost their stars for having backlinks. They all seem to have just 1 star now, and I know that many of them had 3 or 4 before.
  
  Are yours OK rebekah?
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  Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, looks like internal links have been downgraded. Some of my hubs that had reasonable rankings based on the strength of HP's internal link stucture have lost ground. Those that I built links for have held their ground.
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  theherbivorehippiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm seeing the same thing. I hadn't even thought to check until I read this.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It was when Randy said he'd lost his backlinks that I looked.
  
  Is this something in the HP software, or are they really gone, anyone know?
  
  According to Market Samurai, I still have the same backlinks as before, maybe more, but none of them came from HP anyway.
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  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't had time to check, but I did check google webmaster again to see where the bulk of my links are coming from, and it still shows the same info. To be honest, I really haven't paid a lot of attention to the stars in Hub metrics. I wonder if there is a glitch if others are noticing only 1 star when there used to be more. Or, if something did happen with the big G.
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IzzyMposted 12 years ago
Hmmm. Interesting.

I just looked at my sites, and those that I built backlinks to have held their ground or risen, but those without have dropped.

Looks like I have some work ahead of me.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I noticed quite some time ago my traffic drops on the weekends, but usually by Tues, Wed, and Thurs it improves. Today I was shocked, I never had so many hubs below 75. I do have some with a lot of products, and have not been writing much here. I began writing on Wizzley, but although it's very similiar to HP, and you can make money from All Posters. Instead of seaching for photos you can't use for copyright issues, they have a huge variety of posters, even for the informational and metaphysical topics I write about. But there's something about it, I just don't like writing there. Many angry hubbers took all their content and took it to Wizzley. I would think that's unwise, as I do make a little money here. I'm writing new stuff for there, and guess I could use some new content here. But I'm not knocking myself over it. I notice my shorter, (I think less interesting) hubs do better here.
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 12 years ago
I've never had a huge amount of traffic from Google, although I've found that in a general way I've gotten more Google hits in the last two months than I'm used to getting from the various Google engines by countries. HP views remain my top viewing group.
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Max Daltonposted 12 years ago
I had an unusually high CPM yesterday. Did anyone else see that? My traffic was down, but my CPM was about $2.50 above normal.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Don't tell me...your traffic was down a lot?
  
  I get the most fantastic cpms when I have really low views, which drop as the views rise.
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  Max Daltonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Izzy,
  
  Not down a lot, actually; probably around 7%. I don't have any Amazon or eBay ads, so that may work in my favor, and most of my hubs are around 1,000 words, have videos and are heavy with pics. I just thought it was odd tht my CPM was really high.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A 7% drop is nothing more than a blip. I think I answered my own question in this thread. Non-US people are being frightened off using Google because of their new privacy laws, but it'll only last a day or two until they forget.
  
  Rejoice in having an unexpected rise in cpms
  
  Guess these things happen, now and then
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years ago
I think my traffic is officially down a hair - but the truth is that just this week I saw the highest search engine traffic ever in a day...so I might be spooked by this forum thread...but no matter, I've already figured out what I need to do to improve about a hundred older hubs that I maxed out with amazon ads, and I think the pages are ugly due to too much amazon; if I think it's ugly, there's no reason to think that other folks wouldn't agree!
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IzzyMposted 12 years ago
Well I still haven't lost any google.com traffic which was at its bare minimum anyway, so no change really.

I'm wondering if the traffic drop could be due to other reasons? Like people moving off Google due to the outcry over their new privacy policy?

Especially in non-US countries.

There has been a huge outcry here in Europe, with suggestions that their snooping may even be against EC regulations.

They've been doing it for years, but it would seem that a lot of people have just woken up to that fact.
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jenuboukaposted 12 years ago
I have never seen such a blue sea of disappointed when I look at my statistics. I thought I was seeing things then came to this forum thread and can't help but think it has something to do with this...Or, or, I don't want to go there.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Where is your traffic missing from? Is it Google the world over?
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  andyozposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Same here, traffic fallen from around 3000 yesterday to 1000 today and still falling. Oh dear.
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  jenuboukaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  where do I find that info? Er, maybe I don't want to know, I am scared.
  Okay I do want to know.
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  jenuboukaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am going to register my links with Bing see if that helps.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I get most of my traffic from Bing and have never yet registered with them. Why bother when they find your hubs anyway?
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  jenuboukaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I thought I had to? I don't know, I am so confused...Google is/was my main source for traffic, looks like we are not talking as of now. How do get cozy with Bing?
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't say I was cozy with them lol, but Google barely sends me any at all because they have sandboxed my account.
  My hubs rank highly in both Yahoo and Bing, but not in Google.
  
  Unfortunately even being #1 in Bing will not bring you a fraction of the traffic a #1 in Google brings.
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  jenuboukaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sandboxed? what does that mean? why? Am I gonna have to rough them up now?! They (Google) have alerted me that I have be using them excessively lately, and required me to enter a captcha to ensure I wasn't a bot...For another job I have....
  At any rate I am still going to write Bing a love note to help in traffic, or publish like 1000 hubs and go for the HP ads program.....
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  jenuboukaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Never mind, just read your awesome hub about it.....(sandboxed) Still tans my hide, and with my luck....
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  Max Daltonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not very slick with registering sites with Bing. I set up my Webmaster account, but it's asking me to verify it using one of three methods, none of which it looks like I can do. I know I ran into this with Google, but I can't remember what I did. Any advice?
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  To register a subdomain with Google webmasters account, we just had to follow instructions in the learning center. Whatever that was, I've forgotten, but I doubt if that will work with Bing, but I don't know.
  
  Edit: sorry this a total non-answer! lol
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sunforgedposted 12 years ago
Now I feel bad for deleting my long response awhile back.

In short, forget about that HP backlink tool. Yahoo Site Explorer closed down, most backlink checking was done via the Yahoo API, Google only shows a representative percentage of backlinks and has been (possibly) monkeying with how much competitive data it displays.

Its equally as likely that the tool is broken as it is that you have "lost" backlinks. But, on the other hand, while your article have had poor visibility, your competition may have been gaining or making backlinks .. in itself that "quick glance" star metric is almost pointless

We dont even know how often it is run .. as it is not real time!
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That isn't the point, Josh. How hard could it be for a member of HP staff to pop in on the forums and say "nothing to worry about, piece of cake" or merely something to indicate they care about our concerns. It's not like they are simply too busy to spare a minute or two to tell us when thinks change here.
  
  But thanks to you for your input here. Without the veterans like you to give us some insight into things, this place would be a confusing mess.
  
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That makes perfect sense, thanks SF! That's put my mind at ease over that little matter
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Richieb799posted 12 years ago
I've seen a 15% decline today, but I put it down to the weekend...I'm on the road at the moment so I cant backlink a lot..I'll be happy if I stay at the position of 2000- 2500 views a day...while the Panda reeks terror.. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread because Panda is a complex creature...
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hazelwood4posted 12 years ago
VIA Google--Link evaluation. We often use characteristics of links to help us figure out the topic of a linked page. We have changed the way in which we evaluate links; in particular, we are turning off a method of link analysis that we used for several years. We often rearchitect or turn off parts of our scoring in order to keep our system maintainable, clean and understandable.

What does this change do in regards to our Hubs? Thanks
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only the shadow knows!!!
  
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Glamorously Jacobposted 12 years ago
Aren't panda's almost extinct?
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  2uesdayposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is it because they are fussy eaters or because they are reluctant to produce baby pandas?
  
  Google search constantly updates and changes the way it supplies results, in a way it is a bit like evolving. Panda the big one, was a more drastic change to the algorithm, so more were affected and hence it was more noticeable.
  
  I think it is difficult to keep changing things to keep up with the changes.
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incomeguruposted 12 years ago
Let me make it clear, the decline in traffic we're all noticing here is because HubPages now have part of the mighty G market share. Before, Google loves HP and that love was becausing they were promoting their product and not HP Ads that brought this nonsense.
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jenuboukaposted 12 years ago
Can someone please enlighten me on how a individual hub score works? After this update a hub that was at 100, is now at 91, it is on food and cramps with no ads. I may have one hub that has any ads on it, and now will remove all ads.
I am just going to ignore it for the weekend, yet that raises another question. Why a drop over the weekend? I would figure that people who have Mon-Fri jobs hammer on the web during the weekends.
Just curious. Thanks.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only HubPages know the hubscore rules. But hubscore doesn't matter much anyway.
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  jenuboukaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yea you're right, still drives me crazy at times when I see it plummet like that in one day.
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Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago
My Google traffic is down yet my subdomain traffic is up by at least 6 times. What would cause so much popularity for my subdomain?
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Glamorously Jacobposted 12 years ago
Someone please feed the panda some bamboo! He's hungry...
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
I think in my case, it's due to holiday traffic now gone. I had increased traffic for a number of months with Christmas and Valentines. My hubs that generally rank well are still doing ok, bringing in G. traffic.
I also think Izzy may have a point with the recent Google privacy change this past week. I'm sure many removed their search history which could affect search results.

I think watching next week will help determine if something with the evaluation of links has affected the site.

I like HP, I don't like the feel or look of some of those other HP type sites.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I experienced a surge of 15% followed by a drop. Now my traffic isn't that much higher than it was on Xmas Day! The timing was consistent with the introduction of the Panda 3.3 and the other bundled changes. So I am confident that in my case, this was the issue. Of course we are all on subdomains, so other people might experience something different. Certain keywords are treated differently by Google, for instance, so even the topics that you write about can be affected differently.
  
  Quantcast and Alexa seemed to show no major changes in traffic, so maybe only certain sorts of hubber were hit? It seems more than likely.
  
  I think most people will continue to use Google out of habit - the average user doesn't really understand the complexities of the privacy issues (it's a strain for me at times) or things like cookies and search histories etc.
  
  Certainly in my case, the Panda explanation is most feasible to me. I cannot speak for anyone else.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. It makes perfect sense.
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Paul Edmondsonposted 12 years ago
We always watch traffic trends. This week, traffic was down from the week previously about 9%. It wasn't Google specific, as all major sources showed the same one week trend.

When that happens, it's usually a macro cause (holidays, summer, school starting), but we will continue to look at it and get more data.

Overall traffic growth has been very strong this year. January up 19% from Dec, and Feb was up 10% over Jan.

When we see these things, we dig deeper into our analytics, review site changes (make sure we didn't cause them), and put a plan in place if it's something we need to address beyond our planned improvements to the site.

When multiple people post about their traffic changes, I look at several of the accounts, so it is helpful. Everyday, some accounts go up and down, so fluctuations are normal, but there are times when we can make adjustments. We'll continue to investigate if this is one of those times. Thanks again for the comments.
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  AliciaCposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you very much for this response, Paul.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Paul. If there's any way you could adjust mine up a little and perhaps move some of the other Hubbers down, that would be helpful.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  +1 ;-)
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for at least posting, Paul! Can you verify Sunforged's take on the now missing link metrics? Should we now consider this feature to be worthless as any indication of others linking to our hubs?
  
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  Sinea Piesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks so much Paul...it's always comforting for us to hear from you at times like these. My hubs were finally over 100 views a day...More like 120 - 150-ish. Now they are weighing in at 33-55? That's discouraging.
  
  Now, I am going to show my total ignorance on how Google works but is there any way that introducing Pinterest in the mix had an effect?
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Now that is a darn good question, what with the P-links now being no-follow. I wonder if "no-follow" not only means no-follow to google, but might also actually incur some sort of penalty?
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  njames306posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hello everyone,
  
  Please forgive me if I'm breaking any protocol here, I am new to all this, so I am looking for help on how to buld my traffic, and how best to compile my hubs to attract readers. Would someone please guide me in the right direction?
  Many thanks, regards Nigel.
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  Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That requires its own independent discussion thread started by you. Otherwise, this discussion - "Traffic hit by Google Panda 3.3!" - becomes very confusing for everyone.
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  njames306posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am so sorry, I did try to find a way to post a question, but being new, I didn't know how to do it. Where is the section where I post to?
  Thank you and sorry again, Nigel.
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  Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You could post your discussion here:
  http://hubpages.com/forum/category/2898
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nigel... Spend the day in the Learning Centre... @ Bottom of the Page below.
  
  You will then understand what we are all talking about. Right now by posting subjects that are irrelevant to the Initial Subject... you Are breaching the forum protocol..
  
  A Tip:
  
  May I suggest that you consider a wider range of subjects with your hubs?
  
  Enjoy your day.. I'm sure that you will.
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
Thank you, Paul, for reading and responding, it's very much appreciated.

And maybe help Mark out a bit~ who can resist that avatar and Panda artwork somewhere on this thread.
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PaulGoodman67posted 12 years ago
Thanks, Paul. I can see that the situation must be much more complex since subdomains were introduced. Anything that HP can do to help would be very much appreciated.
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Will Apseposted 12 years ago
Panda has made headless chickens of us all.

I had the fewest views yesterday since the sub-domain shift and that kind of thing makes me nervous. Happily the views picked up again today.

I hope other people's views have done the same.
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  Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm down by too big a percent for it to be my usual weekend traffic decline.
  
  There is definitely something up.
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  Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Given the ups and downs all these algo changes have produced over the last year it is easy to get paranoid.
  
  The fact is the traffic of the site overall is only down a small percentage over the last month and could easily recover in week or so. So could every individual account.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's contrary to what the CEO stated earlier
  
  But then what he stated was contrary to promoted site stats... which I might add also promote the presence of a happy community of 250,000 authorative writers
  
  But that's contrary to the reality that our personal F-rigging traffic stats and the generally unhappiness that mushrooms feel, when they are left completely in the dark and feed Ss-hit!
  
  Oh yeah...@Will Apse... what Mark (and I suspect others also) was finding humorous was the total Contradiction that YOU made within the 2 posts that he posted! Did you not see that for yourself?
  
  Wow! I think Brian has answered that question! -
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  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LAWL !
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  Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure no one would be happier than you to see Hubpages burn, Mark. I imagine that is why you are suddenly among us again.
  
  Just the faintest whiff of a problem and you appear to rub your hands in glee.
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  BRIAN SLATERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Will I'm sure Mark will respond in person to your remark, but you can not be serious that a fellow hubber who has worked hard and contributed to the success of hubpages would be rubbing his hands together with delight after watching his earnings drop by many thousands of £££.!! Just what planet are you on.
  Mark made his views on the way hubpages handled the original panda very clear and chose to go his seperate way to focus on building his own sites. You on the other hand have been dishing out The Will Apse, "make it up as you go along directory of forum BS".
  Not for the first time you have you have typed first and engaged your brain second. Grow up!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why would I want to lose several thousand dollars a month? I was just laughing at your ignorance and hubris. That was classic Will Apse garbage that demonstrated your complete lack of knowledge.
  
  I do not want to see hubpages burn, nor have I "rubbed my hands in glee." So - please stop lying about me. Thank you.
  
  I came back to write about the loss of a friend and just happened to see your ridiculous comments as I passed through the forum,
  
  http://mark-knowles.hubpages.com/hub/De … line-buddy
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  Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Crass stupidity. Proof positive that every village has it's idiot.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What a brilliant 'Panda' quote!
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Richieb799posted 12 years ago
I haven't had a major hit so far, touch wood
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