Hub score of 73 not engaging Hub score of 66 engaging

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   Sarra Garrettposted 11 years ago

   WTH is up with this?  My crappy hub is featured, my uncrappy hub is not.  Uh, doesn't make any sense to me.  Is this because the person rating the hubs aren't particularly interested in certain ones they read?  Something is badly amiss here don't ya think?  Anyone else having this issue?

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      Christy Kirwanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Sarra Garrett,
      
      Engagement is based on reader interactions with your Hub, so it's entirely possible that your Featured Hub simply contains information readers are searching for more frequently and interacting with more often. Low engagement does not reflect on the quality of a Hub.

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         Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         There is a lot more reader interaction with the higher scored hub than there is with the lower scored one.  Just doesn't make since to me.

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            summerberrieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Is the reader engagement organic search?

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         Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Are you a HP's employee or did someone there just "pink" your answer?

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            Kathryn Stratfordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Beth, Christy is Simone's replacement, fyi

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               Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I figured, thanks.
               
               I am always a little behind. I already read one of your hubs on sour milk... can't remember if I commented, but good job and welcome!

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                  Christy Kirwanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks for the warm welcome, and I'm delighted that you liked my Hub!

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            Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            heck if I was an employee I wouldn't have all these questions.  lol  No I'm white, not pink  lol

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               Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I'm just not going to worry about this anymore.  I've had it with all the wierdness that is going on with hubpages.  I feel like I have to feed the monkey peanuts.  Well, sorry monkey, the peanuts are for me.
               
               I'm done.

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            Christy Kirwanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Beth37,
            
            Yes, I am a HubPages employee. You can recognize us by the letter H next to our profile pictures.
            
            Just to be a little clearer, Hubs can lose Featured status due to low engagement OR due to quality issues, so if your Hub is low engagement, it doesn't mean it's low quality (or that it's lower quality than your other Hubs).
            
            I'd recommend promoting it via social media and other venues. You can learn more about doing so in our social media Learning Center guides under "How to Protect and Promote Your Personal Brand."

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Hub Score formula is a well guarded secret.  It is very difficult to play the game if you don't know the rules.  It now seem the entire thing is based on the number of hits a hub receives, and if the search engines can find it.  Gone are the days when someone can write and publish a hub just because they have something to say or share with others.  That sort of writing now belongs on Facebook I guess.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      First up, forget about HubScores. They're cr@p.   I started a thread saying, please get rid of Hubber Score and Hub scores because they're meaningless - and I got replies from not one but TWO HubPages staffers saying, basically, yes we know.
      
      Then later, Paul Edmonson (the boss) posted how great they were - so I'm guessing that even though his staff think scores are a load of nonsense, they're not going to disappear any time soon!
      
      Second, take a look at why the Hub was unFeatured.  If it was quality - then yes, I think you have to consider that the raters are all human beings and therefore they can get it wrong. You could try revising the Hub so it goes through QAP again and maybe you'll get a different rater who has more sense.
      
      If it was "engagement", then the raters never saw it.  "Engagement" just means traffic.  HubPages has decided to unFeature all Hubs that Google doesn't send traffic to. It's an automated feature and no one even looks at the Hub.  The theory is, if Google doesn't like a Hub, there's a good chance it's rubbish.
      
      HubPages has admitted there will be 'collateral damage' - Hubs which are not rubbish, they're just on subjects that people don't search for much.  However they say they don't have enough money or people to do it any other way. Which is tough on those of us who write on obscure subjects.

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         WryLiltposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         +1
         
         Scores don't bring money or traffic. Ignore them.

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   TenSplashposted 11 years ago

   Bums me too. I worked so hard on my second hub and they didn't approve advertising on it and the score is so low. Very demotivating it is.

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      PHILLYDREAMERposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Hubscores don't mean a whole lot, so don't place too much emphasis on them.  The thing that really matters and what you should shoot for is writing content that has staying power.  A great article about a new movie will get you decent traffic in the beginning, but once that movie gets old no one is going to read about it, which means it will get unfeatured due to low engagement.  Meanwhile an average article on a popular hobby will get consistent traffic, keeping it alive much longer.

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         Christy Kirwanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Very well said, PHILLYDREAMER.
         
         Hub Score is not directly indicative of Hub quality. It takes a number of factors into account, and it's a good idea not to fixate on it too much, since that number also fluctuates somewhat.
         
         Making Hub Score more closely reflect Hub quality, is in the works, though.

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   Bill Yovinoposted 11 years ago

   Writing "The Great Gatsby" isn't enough.  If no one finds it for a few months, it will be de-indexed and will fade away into obscurity.

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      Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      no lie.

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   Kathryn Stratfordposted 11 years ago

   Hmm, I'm not having that problem. That is strange!

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   CyclingFitnessposted 11 years ago

   Old poolman- I don't beleive it's about 'hits' as I've had hubs with 1000 daily views yet a low hubscore (I got very lucky with a hub during the Olympics- one day had 3000 page views!)

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I guess page hits was a guess on my part.  I guess I am just to old to learn the new ways of what HP is looking for now..  A website like this that is driving away their best writers makes no sense to me.

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   Cerebral Aspectposted 11 years ago

   Obviously it wasn't a very crappy hub, it was just anticipated to be crappy, but people want to read it!

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   peachpurpleposted 11 years ago

   most of my unfeatured hubs are featured now. I changed the titles and add in some subheaadings. The rest remain unchanged. Works out well for me.

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      But why should you have to jump through hoops when before this they were just fine?

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         Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         They raised the hoops, so to speak.

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         Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly Old Pool Man.  I have another one this morning that was getting organic hits all day yesterday and now it's unfeatured.  I'm so tired of the monkeys throwing poo at me.

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            summerberrieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sarra Garrett~ if you are getting organic search and your hubs are becoming un-featured due to engagement then I'd urge you to start a thread in the tech problem forum so it can be addressed. Remember there is a really low threshold for un-featuring hubs for low engagement (like maybe 2-3 google searches per month~ from what I could gather from staff in another thread)  This sounds unusual and can be a technical problem others are experiencing, too. I'd let Mathew know about it.

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   midget38posted 11 years ago

   I agree, an article may not draw that many readers, but is not indicative of it's quality. It simply means that readers connect more with certain styles, or information, something we don't always have to conform to.

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   delleaposted 11 years ago

   Another thing to remember is that some hub titles seem to get picked up by search engines much better than others. I read about the "evergreen" concept in HP's learning pages and it does make sense. In my blog I used to write "timed" posts concerning specific topics relating to specific time frames. I don't write that way very much in my blog now, and I try to never write any hubs on HP that are on time-sensitive topics because they simply don't draw long-term traffic. In summary, if you also have a blog, use the blog to write time-sensitive posts (such as current news or events) and use HubPages only for topics that are "evergreen". So far, by sticking to this methodology all of my hubs have been featured and seem to stay featured because they've gotten slow but residual traffic from search engines and social media sites. I have one hub that I wrote about satellite internet that draws lots of consistent daily traffic because I have plenty of experience on the topic and also compiled detailed research on it, out of all of my hubs it is the most "evergreen" thing I've written so far.

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      mary615posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with this!  I look at the "bottom feeders" Hubs.  You know, the ones just hanging on by the skin of their teeth.  I can tell by the number of views they are getting.  If I see one that is getting zero views a day, I unpublish it.  Later on when enough time has passed for it be unindexed, I put it on my blog where it will hopefully get more traffic.
      I try now to concentrate on "evergreen" Hubs; nothing that will be "time-sensitive".

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    lovebuglenaposted 11 years ago

    You should worry too much about a hub's score. It doesn't mean much in terms of how much traffic the hub will get or how much comments it will get, or how much it will earn.

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    khaledadnanhoshposted 11 years ago

    like

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