Since I migrated here from Squidoo two months ago, I've seen a steady stream of threads in this forum, complaining about lost page views. There are a lot of theories about why it's happening, and how much it's happening, and what can be done to get into Google's good graces.
Google is not my #1 referrer. It never has been, and it probably never will be.
Why? Because I go out and find my readers, instead of waiting for them to find me on Google. I pin my articles on Pinterest. I post to my Facebook business page, and to G+. I tweet links on Twitter. I keep my own email subscription list, and send out links to new or updated articles in my weekly newsletter.
Stop complaining about lost page views. Go out and find them.
I agree Lisa. I do try to troubleshoot to see what is happening and listen to the forum gurus. However, I use Pinterest, Facebook, Twitter, and G+. I have tested my page load time in Webmaster Tools to see why folks don't stay long on my hubs. I am going to see if I can make my mobile Pages better, but some problems are out of my control. We do have to figure out what can make things better. I guess everyone is trying to do brainstorming. Take care and good luck and keep on using those other sites. I know you attract traffic with your expertise.
How did you get your original email addresses for your newsletter? I am trying to come up with something like that for one of my websites.
I use Mad Mimi, and have a sign up box on all my sites. Every so often, I post to my FB business page, reminding people that I have an email newsletter. And maybe once a year, I put together an email drip campaign of useful information, that also has a link to sign up for the weekly emails, and give that away for free.
It's amazing how fast you can grow a list of people who are actually interested in the content you're creating.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to check that out.
It is obvious that you know what you're talking about. Would you mind either writing a hub or posting something in how to go about creating a mailing list?
Well, I'm complaining. My blog traffic and earnings have increased remarkably without me doing anything whatsoever to draw traffic other than write good content about what people are looking for, and my primary source is Google, while my HubPages earnings are plummeting. I haven't even touched my blog in several weeks and my AdSense earnings have more than doubled this month, and the month isn't even over. And yet instead of increasing even a little or staying the same, my HubPages earnings split in half last month . . . and this month? OMG, I'm at about a 10th what it was a few months ago.
My earnings have dropped to practically nothing.
All I want to do is get to my threshold, get paid, and move my articles where they'll actually make some money. But I might make more just moving them now and losing out on the HubPages money I've accumulated so far. At this rate, I'll be in my grave before I reach threshold.
Jennifer, I'm curious if the blog you reference in your profile is the one you are referring to at the beginning of this post.
Whichever one it is, congratulations on doing so well.
I had just become serious about my Hubpages account and was working out a writing schedule, when the fortunes of so many Hubbers changed so drastically. It's not hard to understand why people like yourself would be complaining.
i did tried to share my HP links at FV, Twitter, Linkedin, Tumbler, Google Plus and Pinterest.
Just let me know if I am right.
If I click to "Stats" in my hub, those sites listed are the traffic that I got , right?
How come I see google.com, google.uk, hubpages and no more.
Does it mean that all those sharemedias I had submitted, no one came to to at my hubs?
The new way to earn from blogs and websites is exactly what you're doing - gathering email addresses and using them to market to your loyal customers. However it's a strategy that works for websites, not for writing sites - there is no way to add an email sign-up box to HubPages, no way for people to sign up for our feed or to be notified of new posts. You can send Hub readers to your website to sign up - but many Hubbers don't have websites.
It's also a strategy that works for specialists: you concentrate on two or three subject areas, and people follow you because of the knowledge you share on one or more of those subjects, not because of who you are. Many Hubbers don't specialise.
I do know a few people who use Facebook, Pinterest etc to get traffic to their Hubs. Some of them claim it's successful, but when you look more closely into it, their idea of "successful' traffic is far below what I'd regard as an acceptable return on effort.
I don't know how "new" this is, since I've been doing it since 1999. And yes, there certainly is a way for writers on HubPages to build their mailing list, without a web site. You could easily use the web site icon on the profile page to link to a mailing list sign up box.
Here. If I wanted to do that, I would just put this URL in:
(This is a real sign-up form for my newsletter. Please DON'T sign up.)
I think what I'm getting at in this thread is that we have to start thinking about what CAN be done. We have to start thinking creatively, and sharing ideas, about how to get those page views flowing. If what I'm suggesting doesn't work for you---let's brainstorm and figure out something else that will.
The one thing that absolutely won't work: waiting for readers to magically appear. The internet just doesn't work like that. There are too many other places for them to look, being managed by people who are actively seeking them out.
Sorry, badly expressed. I didn't mean the technique was new - just that in the past, it wasn't necessary. You could make a good income with advertising and affiliate marketing on a blog or website, which required very little ongoing labour and was true passive income.
As for putting the sign-up on your profile - yes, you could do that but I'm not sure how successful it would be. You'd need a "pitch" in every Hub to persuade your readers to visit your profile (most HubPages visitors do not visit profiles). That would be against HubPages TOS, so you might strike trouble there. Then you'd need to use the beginning of your profile "blurb" to tell readers to click on the website icon, because it's so tiny and not obviously an email sign-up button.
My biggest problem with your idea is that the cost/benefit just isn't good enough, and I think we've had this conversation before.
If I go out and chase readers for my blogs, they visit the blog and then, if I've done my job right, they'll like it enough to browse around, read several pages, and maybe buy something from one of my affiliate ads. If I do the same for my Hubs, they'll visit the Hub BUT they are then most likely to browse the related Hubs at the end of my Hub - most of which are not mine. That's why I don't see that the effort involved can be justified for Hubs - you may get extra traffic but is it enough to justify the extra hours?
I can see how it could be difficult for you to quantify that because you have many strings to your bow online and treat your whole internet presence, wherever you are, as one. You have to remember that many Hubbers are not that experienced and HubPages may be the only presence they have. Exhorting them to put extra hours into promoting their Hubs, rather than learning about how to move on to the next phase, is pointing them in the wrong direction IMO.
Sorry, but what I'm getting here is that you aren't interested in finding new readers because they'll only read one of your hubs, and then move on to someone else? Wow. That's so not how I built my readership, so I don't know how to respond to it.
Mostly, I'm hearing a lot of "no, it won't work". It does work. It worked when I was at About.com, and Bella Online, and Squidoo, and it works on my own web sites. I pay my mortgage with what I earn online. If everyone here is just sitting back, and waiting for the passive income to roll in, I'm probably wasting my time with HubPages.
You're exactly right. Like I said, it's a cost-benefit analysis. I know how much I can earn, per hour, doing various income-producing activities. Going out and chasing readers to get ONE view is going to cost me too much compared to the potential income. Going out and chasing readers to get a visitor to my website (who will give me multiple views and a possible sign-up) is much more justifiable.
It would be justifiable if I was on About.com and Bellaonline, too - because there, I'd be writing on a specialist subject and also, I'd be the only one writing in my subject area so I wouldn't be "leaking" traffic to other authors.
I don't know whether it was justifiable on Squidoo because I don't know how strongly other people's lenses were promoted on your lenses. I believe Squidoo were more lenient about authors promoting their own lenses in a lens, too, so my sense is that it was easier to persuade readers to stay within your account.
Now I understand all the waling about lost page views. You guys are literally not doing anything to market yourselves or your work at all.
I'll start migrating my hubs to my own web sites tomorrow.
I don't think you should assume that everyone on HubPages thinks the same way I do. What I've described is my own personal assessment of what's worthwhile and what isn't on HubPages.
Here's my logic:
When I joined HubPages, it was to earn passive income. At the time, that was perfectly possible - it really was a case of "just write and they will come". Most HubPages "old hands" joined for the same reason.
If I follow your method, HubPages is no longer passive income, it's active income. I have other methods to earn active income, like my websites, eBay, real-life work and web design. HubPages as active income, even if I do it really well, can't come close to the hourly rate of those other options - and it's also more risky, because I have no control of the longevity of the site. So for me, it's not worth making the investment.
Others may not have the options I do, of earning better income from other sources, so they'll take a different attitude.
I don't think everyone is just sitting back.
Hi Lisa. I agree that "we have to start thinking about what CAN be done."
Eventually, when my earnings are much better, I may use a portion of my earnings for Mad Mimi or another email marketing site to help get more traffic. Right now I have to rely on myself and the social media sites. I just cannot pay another site to market my newsletter at this time.
I have been thinking for quite some time of creating my own newsletter and just picking up my personal email addresses and asking those people to please share with their friends/acquaintances. Then I have to figure a way to let readers subscribe/unsubscribe. Do you have any thoughts on this that might help me?
Thanks for starting this interesting thread.
Edit: PS: I also agree that complaining is not helping us get more traffic. We have to act.
Phyllis, If you have a niche, starting a Yahoo group would help and it is free. Members join from the Yahoo group site and you post whenever you have anything new. I've been doing this for years, but I am setup so that members can also post. It takes a little while to build it up, but I now have almost 2000 members.
For years, I ran my email list through a Yahoo Group, set up as announcements only, so I could post, and members could read. It was ugly, but it worked. I finally caved two years ago, and signed up with Mad Mimi. They have a free account that has a throttle on the number of messages you can sent per month, but if you're just starting out, it will give you the ability to send pretty emails. I pay them happily each month for my larger list and unlimited messages, knowing my readers are getting pretty pictures of my work in their inboxes.
i agree with you, no point sit back and put up your feet in yr desk, traffic won't come in that way
IMHO the way to make money off content is to attract search traffic. For most topics, any other method is too labor intensive to be worth while for me.
My content writing goals are to get passive traffic, or spend the time on something more profitable like paid blogging or ebook fiction.
So if other people have different goals, that's great--but my goals are up to me. And fortunately for me, my traffic has been steady as a rock over recent months.
It's good to have goals, and clearly, yours are not mine. But complaining about lost page views isn't going to change the fact that they're gone. If you're not doing anything to get them back, or replace them, then yes, your income is going to decline.
Passive income is great, but if you want to be passive, I don't think you can complain when, while doing nothing, your income takes a dive. If you choose to be passive, you get what you get.
The internet isn't a passive place. It's volatile and changeable. When things change, we have to actively change with them.
If I'm not getting views, I look to see how I can improve my writing.
I count on my readers to share anything I write that is good enough to be shared. If my writing is not good enough for other people to share, why on earth would I share it? Social media is not intended to be used as a free advertising service.
Most of my views come from Google and other search engines. Social media shares and organic backlinks are just pleasant bonuses.
SEO for me is so far, so good. Still chugging right along.
If that changes I will pack up and move along rather than work it. I don't have time. I am after passive income. That was the whole point of my venture here when I started several years ago. I could change, but at this point I am choosing not to.
Like you, I prefer to keep my social media social. If my friends are interested in the subjects I'm writing about, maybe they will find my articles if they take their queries to Google.
I am complaining as well. I am not chasing people down. I am not purchasing mailing lists to send spam mail. I am not investing in an autoresponder. Funny thing, who was saying "Stop Complaining" for the loss of earnings and traffic at Squidoo.
Your point is well taken, lisavollrath. You get out of ANYTHING what you put into it. You know the saying, "You get what you paid for." Also, I'm glad you mention loyal readers. I mentioned return readers once in the forum and it seemed to be a foreign concept. HP makes it so easy to share your hubs. Click on one of the share buttons, key in a bit of text, lick okay (send or what-have-you) and voila!
I wouldn't be in business if it wasn't for loyal readers. I have some that have followed me everywhere I've written since 1999. They read whatever I write, share it on their social networks if they like it, buy my products, take my classes. They also pay my mortgage.
It's totally beyond me how people can not see the value in identifying people who want to hear from you, and letting them know when you write something new or update something old. If you find them, they will put money in your pockets!
I found this post in my feed today and I agree with Lisa entirely. Stop complaining and do the things she said. Remember the 10,000 hour rule.
If you want to be the best in the World at anything learn from the best and then practice for at least 10,000 hours taking the time to check what works and what does not. Improve the areas that are not working.
Spend most time practising what you find hard until you are as good as anyone. Do not waste time complaining just keep doing what you need to do.
After 10,000 hours you will be one of the best in the World. If you are not figure out where you cheated yourself! This rule works for just about any sport, job, craft, art music etc.
The problem is that most people do not realize there are no guarantees and no shortcuts that actually work, or are not unethical or illegal or both. In other words do not complain when Google or anyone else closes one of the unethical approaches. If you had not been caught cheating you would not have been affected.
I know it can be hard as often those we thought were ethical and working honestly turn out not to have been. Here I am speaking to the former Squids. We need to let go and work to ensure we now follow the guidelines here and if we think they are not being applied say so in the forums. I think that HQ here read and evaluate things fairly.
If some people are still not happy then go get your own sites the only rules you have to follow then are yours! Of course you will have to figure out what big G wants all on your own and the only person left to blame will be you!
Lets not hammer the people who are trying to help by providing this platform for free, and even let us earn while we learn.
I think part of that 10,000 hours is understanding that what worked for you yesterday, or last year, may not work today, or ever again. That's especially true on the internet.
What Google loved two years ago, it does not love today. By putting all our eggs in the Google basket, we're surrendering control of our incomes to one very changeable entity. I can't see that as a good plan.
It would be great if we could all just write great content on topics about which we're passionate, and then just sit back, and let the world find us. But the internet has never followed the Field of Dreams model. If you build it, they still will not come. You have to go out and find your readership, and let them help you spread the word. Then, maybe, they will come.
I disagree with your comment about if you were not caught cheating you would not have had a problem.
I have never used unethical methods in my work...and I mean, never! Yet, one month prior to any updates, etc. I lost 90% of my views. My work was not harmed by the updates, and I continue to make improvements where I can...and yet...zip!
Don't be so quick to make brash statements. Many here took hits who are honest in what they do, and what you said, while true in some cases, is not true in all of them and is hugely insulting.
I must apologise for not being clear, although I did state that others can affect your results. Those of us that started on Squidoo were betrayed by self serving personnel at HQ. Unfortunately on the web there are far too many factors for most people to control their own destinies fully.
Had you set up your own account and blog then you would be able to control all factors, assuming adequate technical knowledge and the time to read and respond to the directives of Google and the other traffic sources. Unfortunately changing regulations and interpretations of rules will always affect us to lesser or greater degrees.
I did not mean to attack anyone, but was merely pointing out that affected people have been blamed for what Google now sees as unethical. To some extent this is their (our) fault as we either did not know or were not vigilant enough in checking out the changing environment. I think we have to be aware things change and we have to react to protect our self interests. That said I have not been affected that badly and my Google visitors are actually climbing slowly.
All work must be original and informative to succeed now, also I have seen increases in traffic as I replace links that mentioned Squidoo to be links directly to HP. That did surprise me a bit as I had not realised before that Squidoo had been hit by such a large penalty.
I have linked my hubpages account to my Google analytics account, which is giving me an idea of how many views my hubs are getting. I did this out of habit really, as I am primarily here to learn and get feedback on my writing.
Agree with you Timetraveler. At least there is one cheating method used by squid angels, etc, on squiddo, that helped the special people rise to the top, won't work here.
I just want our darn stats to start updating so I can see which pages are improving and which ones are not. Then I can tell what is working for me and where to head from there. It would also give me a lot more incentive to work.
Has anyone seen a post from the big bosses as to why the stats are not updating? Is this a Google thing or a problem with the new stats company?
That definitely would help a great deal.
No word from on high, but this is yet another thing that puzzles me: why aren't we all looking at Google Analytics for page view information? Yes, it's annoying that HP's stats aren't updating, but they've provided another way to get similar information. Yet, every time stats go down, there are a dozen woe is me, why are stats frozen posts.
I find the HP stats when working to be a very useful snapshot. Particularly at present as I am in the process of removing large chunks of it. I don't want to have to go to analytics then back here and so on.
I work in the tech industry. It is staffed by morons - either in the West or outsourced non English speaking idiots - few of who can achieve or maintain anything.
In my opinion a simple screen of stats should not be impossible to fix and maintain. It should NEVER go wrong. It is incompetence that beggars belief.
I guess HP ads income is based on those stats and perhaps QAP is as well. Therefore as a minimum it would be good if it could just work properly.
Yes, I could use Analytics. I could use Blogspot, weebly, Bubblews and anywhere else on the net also. Somewhere that works properly. That would be good.
Because for years the stats actually used to work, and only since late summer have they been lagging this badly all throughout the week. To be fair, there was usually a lag every other weekend or so. When something that previously worked well enough stops working, people complain. Pretty normal human behavior.
I sent an email and this was answered:
Oct 24 at 8:44 AM
Please fix our statistics so we can see what is happening with our hubs as we work on them. We have waited for days now, so we need your help.
I know Matthew you are very busy and I thanks your for your help in this matter.
Oct 24 at 1:18 PM
As the message on the stats page indicates, we are aware of the stats delay.
There is no need to email us when this occurs.
If you are concerned about more timely reporting, then we suggest using Google Analytics.
http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/sett … -analytics
Matt @ Team HubPages
Well, that's strange. There is no message on my stats page. I've just double checked.
There's not one on mine, either. The message I get when I click the ? is the standard information message that's always been there.
I also sent them an email about this today and advised that it would be nice if they would make some sort of public announcement as to what is holding things up. Usually it has to do with affiliate program payment issues, but this has gone on far too long.
I also explained to them that using analytics goes give some info, but is not helpful when you are trying to update hubs and easily be able to see what is working and what is not.
I just hate those standard, cold replies, but fortunately, they do not come often.
In other words, we don't care! Furthermore, the message on stats page is gone. We don't know if earnings are correct, if sales are updated correctly etc which is not part of Analytics. HP does not provide same numbers as Google Analytics either.
But we are to be patient and keep on writing. As far as the keep on writing, I will, but it will go elsewhere.
I'[m still fairly new to this as when I was with Squidoo I didn't really see much in the way of traffic. Since being moved over I've realized that there is a genuine opportunity to both improve my writing ability and put stuff out with good content in subjects that I am interested in.
I put something on the forums a couple of days ago as I hadn't seen any movement on my stats page for a couple of days. It wasn't meant to be a complaint but more of a genuine question whether it was a software problem or were people really not interested in what I'm writing?
I'm still figuring some things out and don't really have a lot of time for this as its a hobby that I'd like to turn into an extra income. Mine wasn't a complaint, it was a genuine wanting to find out what is going on. Since then I have had a note appear in the help box indicating that Hubpages are aware of it and working to fix the issue.
Gee there's a lot of complaining about complaining... Kettle, pot, black...put these words in the order that best suits..
Go to my account and click on traffic sources. It will give you numbers but not a hub breakdown.
Webmaster tools: search queries will give you search terms being used as well as what your top pages are.
The stats for each hub is close to being totally accurate. It may be days before search engines crawl it. I am not sure as to how often the stats of each hub are updated.
Thanks for that. I got an idea of what today's stats might be. ut overall they were lower for my 'ever ' count. It worked using my smartphone as well but I'll check everything out tonight on the pc.
I agree though the thing to aim for is better quality writing
HubPages has been known as a community of considerate, supportive, encouraging writers in the three and a half years I've been here. What was Squidoo known for?
I think everyone should read Paul Edmondson reply on this thread.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/125240? … ost2665029
He gave some ideas how to improve our hubs and what Hubpages is doing about our problems with traffic. He's talked to Google and SEO experts.
Page views from social media pay far less than those from google. Google has always been my number one source of traffic by far, and if you write quality content, you dont need to go out and find readers.
This post is 4 years old but I felt I should add my line of thought from my experience on Hubpages.
I have never bothered to chase after readers or promote my articles on social media sites. I did twice and realized the futility of it. I left that task in the hands of Hubypages staff. All I do is publish quality-lengthy articles. I have never complained a drop in my traffic because I have never experienced one. I don't give much attention to SEO techniques because I realised the futility of it.
Every month, I receive new visitors and return visitors. Though I don't make hundreds in dollars but it's a quite a nice passive income to brag about.
One thing I have to agree is that we should stop complaining and do something about our hubs. Mine always involved revising and editing. Adding video and photo capsules and updating the content.
If it was my blog I would do all I could to chase after visitors. But at Hubpages, mine is to write. The rest is on Hubpages.
Please don't bump old posts when a new post would be much more relevant. It confuses people.
And as for what you've said - that may work for you, but the ups and downs of Google vary widely based on your niche, your goals, your writing style, your competition, your education and many other factors. You cannot make a broad statement about traffic or SEO based purely on your own personal experience.
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