Voting is open for the next two weeks. Stop by today's blog post for details.
For Hubbers who feel overwhelmed by the options or feel like the Hubbies don't have as much of a personal touch this year, remember you can still honor your favorite Hubbers by visiting their profiles, looking to see which articles have been moved to sites (it will be listed in red above the title of each article), and choosing from those.
Hello Ms. Christy,
I am wondering how can I put my choices on the form?
I clicked on the link..it went to Google docs but then I can't put my username in or enter a link into any of the selection questions.
Any advice? Thanks..have a great day! :-)
Jo, as long as you are signed into HubPages you should be able to fill out the form at the link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp … w/viewform
Okay thanks..will it open a new window to Google?
Okay, John. I just tried the link again. It popped up, I go to type in and it doesn't let me. I just get a blue line when I click in the box.
Another year has gone by already? Or are you guys following the ancient Roman calendar of 10 months
The Hubbies were originally in August, though we ran them late last year because staff was so swamped with other things.
Ah, interesting changes made to the Hubbie Awards, hmm? Where are all the fun categories? I see the focus is primarily on niche sites and not so much on hubber personalities and contributions to the community. Okay, I'll still participate. Good luck fellow hubbers!
I noticed the same thing, janshares. Former ballots focused on the personalities and contributions of the hubbers. How in the world would we possibly know all the hubs that are on all those niche sties? There's no way anybody has time to go to each site and look for favorite hubs.I have no idea how to vote for those. I may just vote for the most helpful hubber and the two others that are specific.
That's a lot of niche sites to comb through for sure. Looks like my reading glasses are going to get a workout. I feel kind of bad only voting for a few, but I don't see how I can go through all of those sites. I'll go through the top 5 that pique my interests I guess.
Yes, that is just about impossible. I think I will just visit those hubbers I follow profile pages and scroll down to see what niche sites they are on. I already know which hub I want to choose on LetterPile, but it seems there should be a best hubber too for a particular niche site. It only makes sense to me to choose hubs and hubbers you actually read and follow.
I don't read many hubs, so have no idea where to start looking for the best hubs for each niche site! I miss the humor category.
Choosing a best hub for each niche site would be quite difficult. Anyway, we are not mandated to vote in each category. As a relatively new hubber who logs into the forums once in a while, I would definitely choose theraggededge as the most helpful hubber.
Not really impressed by this year's awards, but oh well, times change. It is too hard to vote for the best from each niche site..many I have never even visited yet. I preferred to have more individual "best hubber" categories. I will vote for the few I can.
Obviously the whole thing is rigged and they have already decided to give it to someone called 'Mima'. Cat? Robin's Auntie? Secret mod?
It's somebody who joined 7 years ago and hasn't written a hub yet.
I've written some tough ones ... never had to think about it for 7 years though!
Mima is HP staff member Marina's nickname.
My first thought was: But nobody knows me .... I'm quiet
Then I read the blog and thought ".... blimey, this is hard..." and closed the window.
You don't need community input for those awards this year, Christie. Just give the award to whichever hub is attracting the most traffic on each of the niche sites. That would be a simple, effective and accurate award, don't you think?
Then just tell us who wins each award so we can congratulate them.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not (+1 either way) but I had the same thought. (I'm not being sarcastic.)
I don't even vote in the Hubbies anymore because I really don't know who most other Hubbers are. The ones I know are the ones who are active in the forums, and that hardly seems like a way to make a decision for best anything.
I can't image how to vote for best Hubs on each site without actually going to each site and reading a whole bunch of Hubs, and I don't have the time or patience for that. I'd guess most Hubbers are in the same position
This site isn't as social and interactive as it used to be, and I'm fine with that. But it does make it hard for Hubbers to know each other. It seems like the staff would know who is "best" at anything much more than Hubbers would. Maybe staff should be the ones voting?
Again, trying to be constructive, not negative or sarcastic.
I used to know tons of hubbers, and really, I still do. I still maintain friendships outside of Hubpages with many of them. I just haven't been as active in commenting on their hubs and mine, as I haven't written a hub in nearly two years. Shame on me. Still, I appreciate HubPages for giving me a place to post articles and poetry over the years--and the payout it gives me! But I agree that I will only vote for the three specific categories such as top hubber, helpful hubber. There's no way to go through all those sites and know what is there unless we vote for our own hubs that we know have been moved to those sites. I wish we had the old list with all the fun categories such as funniest hubber, most cheerful hubber, most religious hubber, etc, etc . . . . Sigh. Things change--sometimes too much.
I tried to find official rules for nominating but couldn't so what if we nominated one of our own hubs? Just curious. I am new to Hubpages and have very little traffic. I do not think I would even be in the running at this stage but what the heck its all in good fun.
I wasn't being sarcastic, Eric.
To me, traffic to hubs/articles is the only logical way to determine this year's awards. The niche sites are all new and there's no way any of us could be in a position to determine any kind of 'best' ... apart from staff who can determine traffic flow across each niche site.
Let's be honest. I've never visited every niche site. Have you? Hard to imagine any hubber could have a realistic opinion on any of the categories for this year's awards, apart from 'most helpful hubber'.
It is not too late to change your approach to awards this year, Christie. You could simply award an additional 10 (or 100) views to an article that receives a direct nomination (probably from the author themselves, lol) ... and then give the award to the hubber whose article receives the highest views for one week on each niche site.
Doesn't that make sense? I'm thinking that's the only way this year's awards can have any kind of authentic value.
I actually like the new Hubbies. The focus is now more on the writing than on how much hubbers like each other.
I'm not personally charismatic or outgoing, so I've never won an award based on how much people like me, although I've won plenty of other awards based on what I wrote, built, made, or designed or based on how many people I served and how well. So making the Hubbies about writing gives me just as much chance of winning as anyone else because my writing can be judged by how good or bad it is rather than by how well people like me.
I am very unlikely to win anything, but I can feel good about losing to people who write better than I do. I can always strive to write better and the winning pieces will inspire me as they always do in other skill-based contests. Personal popularity contests are something for other people and I can't feel good about losing them when I never even want to enter them in the first place!
I don't understand why people are complaining that they'll have to read hubs to pick a winner. Why write if you don't like to read? It's like having a bunch of vegan chefs in a restaurant that serves only meat!
Why not do your part to support the community by reading HubPages as well as writing and socializing on it? Keep it open and use it as a first line search engine instead of Google to look up recipes, repair instructions, reviews, and so on. You may be surprised by how many good articles your fellow hubbers have written.
I really like your idea you shared. Yes, reading is as important as writing.
And you have just proven that HP can be very useful with writing a good opinion. :-) Nice to meet you. Will be stopping by soon to read more of your thoughts. :-)
I reckon the consensus, with the honorable exception of Kylyssa, is, that if HP want any kind of reasonable result with the niche sites, they need to pick a few exemplars for themselves.
Maybe in later years, there will be enough writers identifying with the individual sites to make it worth taking the democratic route.
Or as another alternative, find a committee of willing writers to choose stuff for now.
I kind of like the suggestion of traffic being a gauge with the niche site and having the staff involved in the selection process this year. But I think it is still possible to combine that process with community votes. Maybe the staff can select a few deserving nominees from each niche site and then we have the option to vote for those nominees. That way we still get to vote, but by narrowing down the nominees would make the process less cumbersome and it would insure that the hubs nominated meet the HubPages criteria of excellence. That is my two cents.
I don't disagree with the principle but in practice it would still be hard work. There are around 25 sites. Pick five hubs from each and people will still need to read 125 pages and come to a considered opinion.
I reckon that if HP want to continue with this at all, they should see it as a way of rewarding the better hubbers with a gold star and providing examples to the grunts of what to aim for, rather than as a community building thing.
Why not just vote in categories you already read? You don't need to vote on every category. I won't be voting on best hubs for topics I don't read. I don't think I'd be a good judge of which Bellatory hub is best, for instance, so I'll pass on voting for that site.
Each hubber can pick whichever topics they enjoy and use whatever hubs they've already bookmarked in those topics plus maybe read the most appealing hubs off the front page of whatever topic that is. There's no need to read 125 hubs, even though that's not such a crazy idea if you do it over the course of a year. Two minutes a day every other day will get you there.
I will be reading a bunch of hubs on network sites. I haven't felt good about publishing new hubs because there's really no point in adding to a slushpile it may take years to escape, if at all, at a rate of one hub every six months. So I may as well read hubs to stay engaged with the site until they either get to the point that there's a reasonable turnaround for submissions or I decide they'll never reach one soon enough if they haven't in a year or so.
Just to point out that new hubs are considered for immediate inclusion in the niche sites. I have had a couple of new offerings moved in a few days.
Also, they consider one hub submission every 60 days which is not great but better than one every six months.
You are correct. I don't now where the six months figure came from. I can submit six hubs a year, not just two. But only four out of my last six new hubs have been moved to the viable sites, and not all immediately. Even if four out of six of my new hubs move, that still adds two to the slushpile for every six I write. And I have no way of knowing if the two out of six have actually been rejected or not, so I don't have the information needed to know if I should move them somewhere else where they are wanted. In a normal publication situation, they'd be rejected and I could move on and decide what to do with them.
A hundred and forty-three of my hubs are already in the slushpile and it will still take me over four years to move the two dozen left that I think will take off to the network sites. Leaving an article on a site heavily penalized by Google for four years really isn't a good plan of action if you want it to be read.
This is my voice; I write to be read. Accepting semi-permanent placement in the slushpile is like accepting a seat inside the closet at a dinner party. I'm just autistic, not a hermit. I am also not physically healthy enough to think nothing of waiting a few years to get something published, never actually getting any definitive rejections in the meanwhile.
Getting 4 out of 6 pages moved is pretty good. Are some of ones left behind creative writing? That is a tough judgement call for anyone.
I would give creative writing a site of its own without any filtering/selection. It gets online and then writers can promote it as they wish. Search engines are not going to bring much traffic on their own to that category, anyway.
If you want to speed up the process, major edits will put the hub in front of an editors eyes, unless that process has changed. Select the hubs that you think have the best chance of moving and make some big changes. Use callout boxes instead of capsule titles, add some new images and new content and it might get moved in short order.
If you already follow a hubber, and read them, then you can probably guess they have hubs that were moved to niche sites. Since you know what topics they write on, it can't hurt a few minutes to look on those niches.
This would work for people whose quality of writing is good.
I've been doing just that. I've been here 5 years, and wrote many hubs so long ago, I sometimes forget they can be changed in ways I didn't even know about when I began. I didn't know we couldn't use any pictures on Google, so for me it's been hours of finding new photos. The free sites don't have much in my niche and I can't draw. I have a bunch of fictional things, and that gives me more latitude with pictures.
Also, the callout capsules really make a nice looking hub, and the subtitles can work as teasers. I've re titled, re pictured and put callouts on a whole series of hubs that were stagnant, and although they are still on HP, not niches, all of a sudden they are my top hubs being viewed.
And I always catch a spelling error or two. I used to write late at night, and proofread the next day, but even so I am shocked at what I'm finding. Sometimes our writing is great, it's just not getting attention because it looks boring. Good luck.
In all honesty, even with my suggestion, I still wouldn't vote for certain niche sites. For example I'm not really into tattoos and have no interest in reading about them. But for the subjects that we are interested in, there could be benefits in the staff recommending a few hubs. Those hubs get deserved recognition and by reading them we might learn a few things which could even benefit our own writing.
The editors should have a good handle on what they read and moved over to the niche sites. It seems each niche could get an editor's winner and a couple of runner-ups that we could then read and vote on. There could be a reader's choice award (based on most views) and a writer's choice award in the future.
Isn't this just an exercise in generating traffic for the hubs on their new sites?
Or am I just being really cynical?
I know I really don't have the time to even consider looking at categories I have no connection with and reading hubs. I don't suppose I'm alone.
Perhaps they envision a future where each of the niche sites has its own impassioned community, and this is just a start in that direction.
Yes, that's what we're hoping. It's still far off, but we want to build in community features like Forums for each site in the somewhat distant future.
I feel like a polar bear cub on an ice floe that has just drifted off from the mainland and Mama...
In my experience of floating off niche sites, unless you start building in the communication pretty soon after the site launch you won't continue to build traffic after you get over the "Google now recognises us" blip.
"Build it and they will come" models for information sites simply don't work.
Communication and community are NOT optional. They're not even a later stage.
I've now got a very steady upward trend for both visitors and pageviews and time spent on the two new sites I launched (for my mega-niches) - and that comes from adding in a blog - with regular updates - which people could sign up to for updates AND a linked Facebook Page.
Both of these also provide free info which isn't necessarily on the website - because the key to traffic and Google liking you (Google loves my sites) is to become known as authoritative for your very precisely defined topic.
I found this a bit daunting myself, but here is what I did, maybe some of you may find this makes it seem a little less overwhelming.
I chose about 10 niche sites (no way I'd have time to read something on all of them, and frankly there are some that hold no interest to me)
For each one I chose, I thought of a question I would have that could found on that site and I looked for hubs that answered that question. I thought I would look through two to three and see which one not only answered my query, but also had the best presentation etc.
I spent about an hour or so going through and I have to say I'm glad I did. I not only found some answers and new ideas, I discovered a few things I didn't know I wanted to know and a few new writers whose work I had not read previously.
Once I got into it; it was kind of fun to go through these other sites and pick some. Hopefully, others will have a similar experience.
I am a speed reader, so it may take more or less time for others, but just go through with a question in mind and search for that topic on those sites. It also helped me to find some hubs that otherwise might not have been picked since they weren't in many cases on the top category pages.
One more thing.....
Is it just me or does anybody else find it really odd that there are no links to any of the new niche sites in the blog post about the awards? Plus no obvious "easy to find" links to the new niche sites on the HubPages website either.
Is this HubPages trying to make out to Google that the new sites are really nothing to do with HubPages???
Or people just forgot to include them?
Any theories / answers?
Even though that would be a good idea (separating the sites) HP doesn't seem to be doing that. There are links to the niche sites from the related hubs section - so there's a lot of interlinking.
It's pretty easy to find btw. There's a blog post here: http://blog.hubpages.com/2016/06/29/hub … es-update/ You just need to go to the HP blog subdomain. There was also another post which lists them and they are linked to with their respective logos.
You will find this at the foot of every niche site:
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Plus a massive amount of interlinking between what they are calling the Hubpages Network sites. Hardly hiding away...
Aha - thanks! Hadn't thought of looking at the copyright info on the bottom of the page....
So I wonder why they don't put some up front links to the sites on the HP Home Page then?
Why should they? The visitors are come to read stuff on a particular niche why send them away? Do you have any reason in particular you want to see this happen?
Why shouldn't they is the question I'd ask!
That isn't a fair argument If you need something, you always need to say why and not why not. I personally don't see the benefit here. If I'm reading about gardening I don't want to know about crafts at the same time. If that was what I wanted, I'd have googled that.
OMGoodness, dizzy and overwhelmed after visiting niche sites, trying to participate in the Hubbie Awards. Delishably is especially daunting. I may need a tutorial, couldn't find my own hubs! I'll have to come back. Or vote for my own as someone suggested. I see how tempting it is to take the easy way out, like going to a hubber's profile page and click on a hub from there. I can check to see if it's on a niche site. Whew! Tired already. See ya!
I ended up just going through my list of people I'm following and seeing what Niche site Hubs they had. From there I selected a few Hubs I enjoyed. Of course I would have missed a number of deserving Hubs, but I can at least say I voted for Hubs that I genuinely enjoyed.
Good idea. I'll find that on the list of their hubs on Profile page. Thanks.
Done. Voted for the top three and 2 hubs from niches. No time for more than that.
Yes, that's what I've done ...scroll through those I follow profile and I can see the niche sites while scrolling down their profile page, and I will remember if it is one of my favorite hubs. If so, I voted for them in that category.
However, I do not follow thousands, just about 130- something, and sadly, a lot of them have not been publishing this past year or couple years, so that limits it even more for me.
I know there are probably hundreds of great hubs in all the niche sites, but I just wouldn't feel right voting for a hub that I have not read already and one published by someone I do not follow. Besides, there are plenty to choose from by those I follow.
How can you find what niche sites their hubs are on? I can't even find my own, although I know I was notified when some were moved.
If you go to the profile page it will list either the niche the Hub site the Hub is on or the HubPages category (if it isn't on a niche site).
Do you have to click on the hub to see, or is the site listed right there? Thanks.
No need to click on the Hub. It is the writing in red which appears in the Hub's description capsule. It will either list the niche site or the HubPages category.
Okay. It's still too much to look through to try to find hubs from niche sites. Especially with all those we follow. I may go ahead and vote for the first three categories.
I don't have that problem that you have. I guess because I do it the other way around.
When I read a hub that I decide I want to vote for, I just look at the URL of the hub. That shows me which niche it's in. You have to copy the URL anyway to put it in the voting form.
I actually just submitted my votes this morning as I had a good number of them selected already from my prior reading, and we are getting close to the last day.
I don't read hubs every day, and even if I do, I don't know what niche they are in. That's too much for me to keep up with. Like I mentioned earlier, I couldn't even find my own that are in different niches. I miss the old categories that made more sense--specific categories about our favorite hubbers.
• You can see which niche site anybody's hub is in by looking at the top left of the hub.
• You can find your own hubs filtered by niche simply by selecting the niche site name from the drop down menu in your stats listing.
I miss our own constructed groups - for groups of our hubs. That functionality was eliminated without a thought for how useful it was for hubbers with lots of hubs.
Ah well, I voted. Not sure it was an informed selection but then, when was populism meant to be informed?
I voted, partially. I spent more time on it than I actually had to spend. Of course I had to go with Sally on Feltmagnet, since they saw fit to build a niche around her hubs. My personal favorite was the wet felting of a kitty condo cave. Adorable!
Oh course! Sally is the obvious and deserving winner under that niche. She is amazing at weltfelting!
Well, I actually went to each new niche, and was surprised at all of the wonderful articles and writers I found so interesting. So, that is a plus, as I tend to stay with the ones I follow, but know I need to search out more new writers.
What is great is that I found articles that I had forgotten about reading on those I follow, so I was able to vote for those under the various niche sites.
There were only two niche sites I did not vote in. I'm glad I had taken the time out to check out each niche site.
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