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Nose Dive in views

  1. janshares profile image89
    jansharesposted 6 months ago

    My total current view count for "1 day" is less than the amount I usually get on a good day for my 2 top performers. I have 85 hubs, 17 on niche sites. Something is not right. Anyone else?

    1. jackclee lm profile image71
      jackclee lmposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Check this out - do a seach on google with - janis evans hubpages
      and you will see many sites rank high but lead to fake contents...

      I created a hub on this issue -
      <link snipped>

      I am pretty sure it is being done to many other hubbers.
      I have reported this to google...

      1. janshares profile image89
        jansharesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Thanks, jackclee. Will check it out.

      2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

        I looked and some of the things for "Timetraveler2 Hub Pages" direct to sites that have absolutely nothing to do with my work or HP, while others direct correctly.  I have emailed the team about this but it appears to be some sort of glitch that may well be affecting our page views.

        Thanks for the heads up

    2. Sherry Hewins profile image95
      Sherry Hewinsposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Yep. It's been a problem. My views dropped suddenly on the 9th, and they have not recovered. People have been talking about this Google algorithm update that happened that day, so I'm pretty sure that's what is causing this, for me at least.

    3. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      My total views have also dropped. I've been watching this for the last few weeks. Not sure what is causing it. I also noted that flipboard is no longer giving me views whereas it used to. Channge in algorithm from Google?

    4. peachpurple profile image77
      peachpurpleposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      I have 132 hubs and my daily views are 60-90, never above than that. I had been used to these views ever since the Google Panda issue

      1. theraggededge profile image94
        theraggededgeposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        I think you should rework some of your titles to reflect what people are searching for. For example, not many will be looking for "angry puppy", but they might be looking for "nervous puppy" or "aggressive puppy".

  2. Glenn Stok profile image94
    Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago

    This is being discussed in another forum:

    http://hubpages.com/community/forum/140 … k-a-tumble

    1. jackclee lm profile image71
      jackclee lmposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the info. I am not sure the two is related but in either case, something is going awry with google search...

    2. janshares profile image89
      jansharesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Yes, I've been on the other forum, too. But I posted here because I'm now wondering if there's a tech issue, like ads and formatting which was mentioned on one of the forums. I haven't seen any updates from Paul Edmonson and wondering if the problem is bigger than we know, from a technical stand point.

  3. GodsOfRock profile image90
    GodsOfRockposted 6 months ago

    This may be of some use: https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4838449.htm

    New tighter Google standards...and unfortunately quality content gets caught in the switches. All of my sites are down 50% since early Feb. and some are down 90% while competitors with spun content and loads of ads are ranking above me.

    Ironically though, my little HP account is not down nearly that much. Lot of people especially in the niche site realm are taking a bath right now...even those with ZERO affiliate links and no adds above the fold...

    My theory is to wait it out a while, and not do anything too drastic... maybe it will level out, but maybe not?

    Nobody said it was easy:(

    1. janshares profile image89
      jansharesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      GodsOfRock, thanks for your words of wisdom and the info.

  4. theraggededge profile image94
    theraggededgeposted 6 months ago

    Views on HP account gradually sinking, but Wordpress blog having best week ever and Sunday still to come. If only it made me a bit more $$s smile

  5. tony55 profile image79
    tony55posted 6 months ago

    It seems my earnings are at an all time low, compared to an all time high barely 3 months ago. There are a lot of weird thing happening, probably due to several changes on hubpages. i also stumbled on a few sites that use my exact hubpage titles and name with zero association to the subject matter. strange times

    1. Glenn Stok profile image94
      Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      I noticed that too with my hubs. There are copies all over the place on new sites. I'm also having trouble locating the abuse agents for the hosting services. I have a list of five new hosts of plagiarized hubs and they are not registered with copyright.gov. I don't know how they achieved that. But it's a way of hiding with no one to send dmca takedown requests to. Something stange is happening.

      1. Will Apse profile image87
        Will Apseposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Just send DMCA's to search engines if it is easier. Search is the only real issue for getting views back.

        https://support.google.com/legal/troubl … 4905?hl=en

        Select 'web search'.

        The recent loss of views is almost certainly down to a google algo change, though.

        I suppose if the niche sites have lost authority, in some way, copies will become more of a threat.

        1. Glenn Stok profile image94
          Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          I know of that link. I've used it before, but only after getting the copy removed. I appreciate your desire to help Will, but you can't ask Google to remove indexing until after the webmaster or host has removed the plagiarized copy. The option to select via that link makes that clear: "A piece of content I am concerned about has already been removed by the webmaster but still appears among the search results"

          If you know of an actual way to get Google to remove indexing when the copy still exists, please show me specifics, and let me know if you actually succeeded doing it that way.

          By the way, if all you do is remove the index, you have to do it with all the popular search engines. It's more important to get those copies removed.

          1. Will Apse profile image87
            Will Apseposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            I have several times. Given the small amount of effort involved it is worth jumping through the early hoops.

            A little help:

            Do not select 'A piece of content I am concerned about has already been removed by the webmaster but still appears among the search results

            Select:
            I have a legal issue that is not mentioned above

            Then

            I have found content that may violate my copyright

            Then

            Yes, I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on the copyright owner’s behalf

            Then

            Other

            Then hit 'use this form' at the bottom

            You get this:

            https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13453857.jpg

            When it comes to 'what is the infringing material', just say 'the text concerning...' whatever your page is about.

            You fill it in carefully and sign it

            Type your real name as the signature.

            Send it off.

            Incidentally, see if this link gives you direct access to the relevant page:

            https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools … &pli=1

            Chasing hard to find hosts is just too much trouble and, since it is ultimately for Google's benefit, I don't see why we should be expected to do it.

            Once a copy is gone from search it will not affect you in any tangible way.

            1. lobobrandon profile image83
              lobobrandonposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Yes this is what I do too. I have never bothered contacting the host. I just get the page out of the goolge index.

              1. Marketing Merit profile image87
                Marketing Meritposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                Yes, this is what I always do, although I do follow up with a DMCA.

                For me, it is more important to remove the copy from the search engines, especially if the copied content is ranking above my original article. This is most likely to lose views and income.

                Also, when I first started issuing DMCA's, I found that Google would not remove the plagiarised entry from the search engine results if the copied content was not found on the infringing url. In those instances, I had to wait for it to be de-indexed naturally by Google bots.

            2. Glenn Stok profile image94
              Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Thank you Will. That is extremely helpful. I never tried selecting "other" before. I'm actually a little surprised that Google would remove index just because anyone submits a request. Nevertheless, I'm going to try it this way as you suggested. I do need to try requesting the same from Bing, even though I don't get much traffic from them, Bing is responsible for a small portion of traffic has dropped too.

              Since contact info is not available for those new hosts, it may be easier to get all search engines to appreciate the request. I'm going to do it your way today. Thanks again.

            3. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Will, (or anyone else) what is your procedure for spun copies?  Articles that are not a copy, but are obviously a copy that is spun into something that is very similar (and often unreadable) but not a direct copy?

              I've got a couple dozen of those and have never filed on them because they aren't direct copies.

              1. lobobrandon profile image83
                lobobrandonposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                I don't bother with those as there is nothing that can be done to them.

                Most of them read horribly and if at all they ever do rank higher than mine I am sure that the person reading would just go back to search and click on the next result.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  That's about my conclusion as well, but I'm a little concerned that Google is seeing them as duplicates and down-checking the hubs because of it.

                  1. lobobrandon profile image83
                    lobobrandonposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    There is an update that ranks sites based on performance and my high view time hubs are ranking better and so are the individual pages on my website. So I think Google is smart enough in that sense.

              2. Glenn Stok profile image94
                Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                wilderness, Funny you ask!  In my process of tracking down copies of my hubs today, I found seven idiotic articles that make no sense whatsoever. They took individual sentences from many different places all over the web and combined into a "story." 

                Even though only a few sentences were from my hubs, I decided to report this to Google since they need to be made aware that they are indexing content that is spun from random pages around the Internet, providing a disservice to their customers (people searching with Google).

                This is useless stuff, serves no purpose, and doesn't give any meaningful information. I think they must be trying to make money from AdSense just for the traffic they generate. They must get traffic based on the various random garbage on their site.

                So, to answer your question, I reported them to Google via this form that was suggested by Will Apse earlier: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools … &pli=1

                In the box under "Identify and describe the copyrighted work" - I used the followed explanation (feel free to use it too):

                Took random sentences from my content and combined with random sentences taken from other content. The mumble-jumble makes no sense as you can see.  I found these copies with a Google search for the following random sentence from my content: “xxxxxxxxxxx  xxxxx xxx xxxxxx”.

                Replace the xxxxxx's with the content sentence you used from your hub when you found these copies.

                You can list the URLs of all the spun copies you found, one per line, in the box under "Location of infringing material".

                Good luck with it.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  Thanks, Glen - I may do that just to have it off the index.  Can't hurt!

              3. Suzanne Day profile image95
                Suzanne Dayposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                I report those mixed ones to google webspam. Get yourself the Google Webspam Report (by Google) for your internet browser and then click the flag when you see one of these sites and type in the box "spammy website with stolen content". Press OK and you're done!

          2. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            You certainly can get it removed from the index without getting the copy removed. As Will says, it's in a different section which they make difficult to find.

            Personally I always prefer to get the copies removed, because I will usually do that by complaining to the host and/or to Adsense.  My goal is to do more than just remove the copy - if enough people make the effort to complain  to Adsense, the thief will lose their Adsense account and get banned from every host they try to use, so it will put them out of business.  If I really get stuck, complaining to Google is my next step.   

            And yes, I agree that ideally you need to complain to all the main search engines - but if I look at the source of most of my own traffic, and of HubPages as a whole, it's Google.   So getting them off Google will fix most of the problem.

            1. Glenn Stok profile image94
              Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Yes, I always report AdSense abuse too, when they use Adsense on plagiarized copies of my articles. That has always worked — getting them to lose their business.

              However, in these recent cases, none of them are using AdSense. I can spend a lot of time tracking down the abuse contact agents of those other ad agencies. I've done that before, and I don't really look forward to doing it again. I'm going to just file with Google for now as Will suggested.  I want to get on with my life.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                What I was saying was, you don't have to contact the abuse agent to file a legal DMCA.   At least that's my understanding.   If the host hasn't nominated an agent  - and some never do - then they are directly responsible for handling their own DMCA's.  Which means you just use their main email contact to send the DMCA.

                If that wasn't the case, then every host on the planet would simply delay appointing an agent forever!

                1. Glenn Stok profile image94
                  Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  I know. Non of this is new to me as I'm sure you know, but I appreciate your input as it also helps others who read this thread. 

                  I have always done it either way: If I find the agent (listed on copyright.gov) then I email them, and if I don't I just email to the host support or abuse emails. However, these last few days were so different since I was finding host services that had no valid contact information. One even had a phone number (123)456-7890. I'm not making that up.

                  A few had contact info and they were taken down as requested. I reported all the other plagiarized copies to Google to remove from their index. So I'm done for now. I need a rest.

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                    Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    How weird. How on earth do they get clients if people have no way of contacting them?

      2. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        All I usually do is Google the name of the host and words like "abuse" or "DMCA" (e.g. "Crazy Domains DMCA) and one of the results will usually be their form or page regarding copyright. 

        If I can't find their official form then I just write an email in the standard DMCA format, that is perfectly legal.

        1. Glenn Stok profile image94
          Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Thanks Marisa, the problem is that these are new hosting services that seem to have found a way to hide their contact information. None of them have copyright complaint forms and none of them are registered with copyright.gov, which is where I always find the abuse agent listed. So I'm stuck as far as doing it that way. I wrote to copyright.gov and they are going through a transition period right now where all hosts need to register online. The old way was a form with contact info that was scanned. It looks like this gives crooks a period of time to avoid listing DMCA contact info.

          1. Stacie L profile image86
            Stacie Lposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            This is useful information, Glenn. I wonder if there is a way for any search engines to reject websites that don't abide by some rules of transparency.

            1. Glenn Stok profile image94
              Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              That would be great if they would do that. I'm surprised they don't make that a prerequisite to getting indexed. It may be because the problem is a new one, and it will only last until December of this year. Then the problem goes away since everyone needs to be registered by January 2018. So the search engines really don't need to bother with it. Companies that don't register just won't be able to host websites after January.

            2. jackclee lm profile image71
              jackclee lmposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              You have to wonder why it is so hard for google or any search engine to block spam sites...
              Do they really want to?

          2. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            The DMCA process does not require the use of a form and it does not require the use of a special email.  You can send an email to whatever contact address you can find for the host. Of course if they are dodgy, they will ignore you anyway, but it's worth a try.

            The reason Google is willing to remove an item from the SERPs on your say-so is that you supply them with a link to both your piece and the offending copy.  If they can satisfy themselves that your original is of an earlier date then the evidence is clear.

          3. alexadry profile image93
            alexadryposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            I hear you. It is very difficult finding who is hosting a website and reaching out to them lately. It shouldn't be this way. I have emailed dozens of alleged hosting companies at times, only to find out they really weren't hosting the website.

            Even more painstaking, is that I found some hosting companies that won't even tell you if they are hosting a particular website because of privacy issues! I find this ridiculous and have blamed them for conspiracy of plagiarism. They then suggest me to file an abuse form with them reporting the website which wastes lots of time if they are not truly the hosting company in the first place!

            I recently noticed though that the same companies that protect the identity of website owners also have abuse forms. Like nameguard has an abuse form. I yet have had the opportunity to use it, so not sure if it can help but it might be a way to get around things. I think through a company like nameguard by using their forms you can contact the website owner, problem is, you might never get a reply!

            I filed many times DMCA, but don't really like it. The page with your content still remains up, and even though Google doesn't crawl it anymore, it's my understanding that it can still be reached through internal links or it can be shared through social media as a direct link.  Social media can get a lot of page views these days!

            1. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              The thing is, Alexadry, that the official form is not the waste of time. If a host has a system for reporting abuse, they won't accept notices any other way, so it's a waste of time writing to them in the first place.

              When you find a host, don't bother writing to them.  Google their name with "abuse" or "DMCA" (e.g. GoDaddy abuse) and if they have a form that must be filled in, that will give it to you.

  6. alikhan3 profile image91
    alikhan3posted 6 months ago

    Something is surely wrong. I am at an all time low of past 4 months today.

    1. janshares profile image89
      jansharesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      +1

  7. EricDockett profile image92
    EricDockettposted 6 months ago

    There is a lot of discussion here about copied content being responsible for the drop in traffic. While I think it is important to corral thieves by filing DMCAs, I don't think stolen content in itself accounts for the drop.

    I think it's more likely that this content is simply more visible because of the shakeup in the SERPs due to the Fred update thing. It has always been there and will always be an issue, but because of the change in the SERPs more people are noticing it. And, yes, it is possible there is some traffic siphoned away because of it, but the real problem is the change in the SERPs, not the stolen content itself.

    I have a copied Hub on another account that I was unable to get taken down for reasons that make me too angry to discuss. Its on a crummy Blogger site that consists mostly of stolen content. While my original outranks it, every time a shakeup like this happens that copy rears its ugly head on the first page for those keywords. It's there now, since this update thing.

    It eventually sinks into the depths where it belongs, which is what I am hoping happens once this update sorts itself out. I am trying to be optimistic that some or all of our traffic will return, but also hoping HP is working behind the scenes to make few change that might help.

    On a more important note: Why Google willfully makes changes that allow things like this to happen is beyond my understanding.

    1. Glenn Stok profile image94
      Glenn Stokposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Eric, this isn't a debate on what's causing the drop in traffic. None of us really know. It may even be a combination of everything that's happening.

      There basically are three things going on: The Fred Algorithm, the ongoing copying of hubs, and the new rules that the copyright office is requiring hosting services to register online, with a transition period where they don't need to submit a new designation until December 2017. This gives crooks a chance to hide this year, in my opinion, and may be the reason for an uptick in plagiarism.

      1. EricDockett profile image92
        EricDockettposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Fair enough. I was just concerned that some people seemed to be working under the illusion that frantically filing DMCAs would somehow correct the recent traffic loss. There are suggestions to that effect in this thread and others.

    2. janshares profile image89
      jansharesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Thanks for your insight Eric and Glenn. I think we are all on the same page. I definitely think the experience and knowledge both of you share in your last posts pretty much points in the right direction as we try to understand and recover. As GodsOfRock said, we may have to wait it out a bit.

    3. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      +1

  8. TessSchlesinger profile image94
    TessSchlesingerposted 6 months ago

    I have never found that getting somebody to remove my copy has upped my figures. So I don't think that has anything to do with the loss of traffic. I think Google has adjusted its searh engine algorythm again.

    1. janshares profile image89
      jansharesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      +1

  9. hamza33 profile image59
    hamza33posted 6 months ago

    i just creat account can u tell me about hubpages actually for what

    1. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 6 months ago in reply to this
  10. hamza33 profile image59
    hamza33posted 6 months ago

    what i need to do how can earn?

    1. theraggededge profile image94
      theraggededgeposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      HubPages is a site for writers, so perfect English would be helpful.

  11. Will Apse profile image87
    Will Apseposted 6 months ago

    Probably Hilary and her private server up to no good again.

    1. lobobrandon profile image83
      lobobrandonposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      lol

  12. Oliver Twist 2021 profile image60
    Oliver Twist 2021posted 6 months ago

    Sorry I am new here.

  13. theraggededge profile image94
    theraggededgeposted 6 months ago

    LOL! No spam here. Nope, I can't see any, can you?

 
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