I suggest that the forum category 'Religion' be removed

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   Béla Mongyiposted 15 years ago

   or left in place.

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      countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Religion could be a good starting point for educational exchange of beliefs/culture. I guess problems only start when one thinks my religion/beliefs is better than others. That's why I guess elders suggest to us to have lesser discussion about politics or religions in public since some people can take it very personally.

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         Béla Mongyiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, I think that's logical.

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         \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         sorry what elders

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            Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            As in the advice of parents and grandparents.  Having discussions about politics and religion is a sure way of getting into an argument, and in all politeness one should not get involved in such discussions.  Mainly it was respectful to allow people to have their own beliefs and to not force yours onto others.  I know I was given that advice in my teenage years.  Interestingly it was more pronounced in the arena of politics and telling someone who you voted for was never forced, it was very private and often rude to ask.

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               countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, Jewels that is exactly what I meant by "elders". Thanks for the clarification on my behalf. In our family both my paternal and maternal uncles/aunts also are included among "elders".

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      mdawson17posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If you take out the religion forum then take out the rest of the forum's because that would be an act of discrimination against the freedom of speech as well as the right to belieave how we want to believe if you do not like to not go to it!! How about the hub page staff have better by laws to comments made in the forum and posting?

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago

   Removing that category would be the end of HubPages as we know it.

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      Hauntyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, hence the suggestion.

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         countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Business "suicide" isn't a good idea

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            Hauntyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            All I'm saying I'd like to see 'those people' talking about other things. I don't know how that would turn out.

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               countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               With too much time on our hands.

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      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Actually I remember times when there were no religion forum

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You sound like my Grandpa talking about the good old days.

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            teerayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Ah...nostalgia sets in, eh?

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   goldentoadposted 15 years ago

   that would leave me only the political forum to troll around in.

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      countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      We know better...LOL. You are far too intelligent to consider yourself a "troll". You rock GT

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   Christoph Reillyposted 15 years ago

   I think some posters in other forums should be removed and "placed" in the religion forum.

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      Teresa McGurkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      hear, hear.

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   girly_girl09posted 15 years ago

   This post made me think of John Lennon's 'Imagine'. Now, I have that song stuck in my head! lol

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      Elena.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Girly, this actually made me sputter my coffee up my nose!  Not sexy! 

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   Joelle Burnetteposted 15 years ago

   You may not like what someone has to say, but I'd rather have the freedom to say it than not to have the freedom at all.

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   cashmereposted 15 years ago

   I guess if you don't want the forum, just don't visit it. That's what I do.

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   Jewelsposted 15 years ago

   I don't care, I'm depressed.  Where's the mental health forum?

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   Anamika Sposted 15 years ago

   I am a little pissed of with the Religion Forum myself with all the religious fanatics throwing dirt on each other. So i have chosen to ignore the forum altogether. You could do that too.

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    JamaGeneeposted 15 years ago

    Last I heard, no one is ever forced to visit the Religion forum...

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       dingdongposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That's it

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       embitcaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       True, so now the Religious forum visits us.
       
       I suggest that all mentions of the Religious forum be confined to the Religious forum.

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    Elena.posted 15 years ago

    All right, I'm done snorting coffee through my nose.  Here's what I wanted to say before:
    
    Much as I'm allergic to that particular forum, I'm a lot more allergic to this form of covert censorship   No one forces anyone else to visit that or *any other* forum....  Live, let live, and all that jazz.

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    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    It's too bad, though, that the people who post on the religion forum don't approach their discussions like, "In my religion, we believe x and x."  Instead, they aren't on there to discuss or share.  Most of them have apparently got a "preacher complex" and go to the forums to let everyone else know they aren't getting to "heaven".

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       Elena.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, guess you're right, Lisa, but really, nobody needs to listen to those "preachers" any more than one needs to go to church.  It's a voluntary action to put oneself thru all the preachin' --either in the forums or in a real life church

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    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    Elena, I agree that nobody needs to listen/read, and I usually don't.  Still, it just kind of amazes me that there are people who would presume to preach to other people.  There's a point where we've all run into it often enough to once in a while think, "Hey, let's start preaching back."  There's an arrogance to presuming one "knows all the answers" and that he is a right to try to "smarten everyone else up".  People can believe what they and say/write what they like, and most of the time everyone else just politely ignores them.
    
    Sometimes, though, I just think that they don't think twice about trying to make everyone else feel ignorant and inferior when it comes to how "good" anyone is.  In fact, it's what they live for.  If they didn't have their preaching they wouldn't have any other excuse for fluffing up their own sense of superiority.  I don't really care who preaches on the Internet because I don't take any of what any of them say seriously.  Still, I'm not sure that once in a while a few people shouldn't "preach back".  They aren't going to listen any more than others listen to them, but why should they just be given a pass to go around telling everyone else that they're the only ones who know how to live and that everyone else is headed for hell.  Maybe my "moral crusade" is to point out to "certain people" that if there's a God He most likely doesn't care much for self-righteousness and utter lack of respect for anyone who has different beliefs about religion.
    
    Again, I don't particularly care who says what; and I don't usually come to the religion forum.  The religious thing, though, leaks out into half the the rest of the topics, as well as wherever else it shows up online and off.  I just thought maybe it would be fair enough for me to do a little preaching too, since "we're all preaching".  No, nobody is forced to come to the religion forum; and I wouldn't even want anyone to just listen to what I "preach" and buy it.  I do assume, though, I have a right to "preach" as much as the next guy does.  My point is, though, why not have a reasonable discussion about the different beliefs, rather than preach?  It just seems to me that if there's a God He'd much prefer some respectful conversation and debate to having any one human place himself above others.

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    gamergirlposted 15 years ago

    As the person who asked for the forum to be put up, I can honestly say that I'm not ashamed of it's current incarnation.  Each person has the power to speak as they will, within limits and structure, but overall I believe that it has had a positive impact on many people.  I do think that people have gotten out of hand in a lot of threads, but that is no different than the possibility of it getting out of hand anywhere else on the forum.
    
    I am still glad I asked for it, and that it sees a great deal of use.  I only wish that people would not misuse it.

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

    I don't know whether or not I am one of "those" people. I try to be respectful of what others believe, though I have chosen to avoid the forums altogether due to finding myself compromising on my morals in order to "fit in." Not good. I respect even the most vocal of our atheists for (his) beliefs. We all come to our conclusions based on different paths and my goal isn't to make people believe as I do, but to give people the opportunity to understand what I believe.
    
    I will confess to having felt backed into a corner and therefore to reacting. Not pretty. I try to avoid the topic now because I don't want to be the source of offense for another person (and because I don't want to be offended).
    
    I stay out of the politics forum for the same reason. I am a proud conservative libertarian. I would prefer to leave discussion of my political leanings to that than to get into arguments with people about "why." It just isn't worth it to me (and I'm over-exposed to politics in the home anyway -- hubby is obsessed!).
    
    I stay out of the "science" forum because I have a horrible tendency to get a bit... well, I can become a know-it-all. I was an anthropology major in college and... heh, I'd love to see a humanities forum other than politics and religion
    
    All in all, honestly I go to other places to discuss the subjects of the niche forums here. And the forums are just distracting. I need to work on my hubs: they suck!

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       countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       No, they don't. I have read some of your earlier hubs and they are pretty good. I will now go and read your hubs. Btw you are one of the few Christians here who is respectful of folks with other beliefs. I admire your politeness and respectfulness.

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          Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks!
          
          It's really some of the newer hubs that are grating on me. I don't know if it's that I know I can do better (because I do) or if I read hubs by others and realize that I'm not as good as they are! The impossible standard!
          
          I think that the reason you'll find so many disrespectful is that it's easier when you can't see and therefore directly relate to the person you're affecting/influencing.

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             countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You do a good job. Don't worry maybe the hub challenge must have made it a little difficult to reach your higher standards. I am with you about online interactions and I still hope there are more folks like you who can exchange there beliefs without taking it too personally. Have a good day, EM.

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    Maddie Ruudposted 15 years ago

    If we removed the Religion forum, people would just post the same sorts of threads in other forums.  At least with all of 'em in one place, people who are interested in such discussions can easily locate them, and people who aren't can easily avoid them.

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       cashmereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you for that. At least I have an option to visit or not!

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

    LOL, I quit the challenge pretty early on. I was pushing myself too hard and I wrote some l-o-n-g hubs during that period, too. Weird, I guess!
    
    I think that the standard for me has become the difference between something researched and something "off the cuff."

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       countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I usually write all my hubs "off the cuff". I did enough "research" for the technical papers during my MS days(and that is the last thing I want to do now i.e., talk about my regular technical stuff).
       
       Now I am just here for having a good time and relaxing(and sometimes learning too). But you are right we have a responsibility towards our readers too and I should spend more time writing quality hubs. Thanks for your insight. I will try a pictorial hub next. Have a good day. It's almost dinner time. Bye take care.

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