Ok for a start we really don't know each other, we are just people who write, post a hub and perhaps exchange the odd comment. But a remark by a hubber the other day kinda bothered me and made me think about what he said.
The matter of respect on Hubpages and to be honest I have noticed certain people no longer visit my hubs. Thing is there are also people that I no longer respect or read anymore and have also unfanned.
But really is this being too judgemental on people we don't know and I watch the forums and know it's not just me that gets a bit over the top at times. I have seen certain hubbers who deff hate each other, but why? You don't really know the person but on saying that there is a male arrogant hubber who makes me laugh nightly because he actually thinks he is intelligent wheras he just keeps repeating the same crap.
So come on, let it rip, do you stop reading a hubber you used to like, for what reason? Do you care if you notice a regular fan stops reading your hubs, answers on a postcard please
Lol I know that Shirley and I know the hub challenge has kept a lot busy and I wish them well but I know who I mean and if they are reading they know who I mean. You really are a lovely person ya know !
Um, I have no idea what this is really about, BC (?) And I just kind glanced through the postings.
I don't read that many hubs, honestly, and never really have, especially since I work full time writing & find it hard to put up my own hubs a lot, even.
And, I figure there are some here on the forums who are here just to have fun...some here to debate, etc., etc., but I don't disrespect anyone. Only a couple (well, one to be exact) who I've yet to see any redeeming value beyond being a troll do I dislike. 'Hate' is way too strong of a word, though.
So, as far as I'm concerned, be as you are. Whatever is good.
In answer to this question, yes I notice - probably because I fall into the category of "people that I no longer respect or read anymore and have also unfanned." for whatever reason.
I naively presumed that people joined a fan club because they enjoyed what that particular Hubber had to say, and the way they said it. I have since discovered that many join simply for the reciprocity. I still enjoy reading and answering comments and reading their replies, and while I see that not all my fans comment on every single hub, I respect that what I have written may not interest them, but maybe my next posting might.
I don't read every single hub from every single person I have fanned either - not because I don't respect their point of view or appreciate their hard work and diligence, but simply because that particular article might not be what I am interested in reading at the time, or possibly because like everyone here, I have a life outside of HubPages that needs attending to from time to time, and I'm not the most organized person on the face of the planet.
The only time I stop commenting on hubs is after being repeatedly ignored, again for whatever reason, which shows me my views are not of consequence to the reader(s) in question.
I'm not worried about an individual reader dropping my feed because some opinion I hold offended them or because they don't have time to keep reading it. I know if I fan too many Hubbers, I'll spend so much time doing my mail and reading Hubs that I won't have time to write mine or work on my novels or do my art.
I write for the people who like my writing, in several unrelated topics. I trust that my readers got into it because they like my topics and a fewer number of core readers just like the way I write, the same way I got the feeds for waynet and pamgrundy because I love all of their hubs and like all or almost all their topics.
I wouldn't worry about it if someone de-fans me. People either have time or they don't. I can't maintain a long list of people I fan, so I choose a very few top favorites and let it go at that. I'm new to the forums here though, so I have no idea how forum activity affects readership. I guess I'll find out.
One other comment about comments themselves. If I don't have time to comment, then I may read and not comment. For everyone who does comment, there are at least ten and up to a hundred people who read without commenting. Many may just do a thumbs up and not comment if they enjoyed it.
So I don't assume that if a Hub has no comments it means no one read it, or that my regulars didn't like it. They're probably reading all of them but not always commenting.
Usually when I comment, I do get a comment from the author of the Hub that I commented on, but I don't regard that as an obligation. It's way too easy for anyone to start getting so wrapped up in reciprocity that they don't have time to write because they're keeping up doing comments ahead of other priorities. I comment a lot when I'm relaxed in a garrulous mood. When not, I may just be in a "reading" mood and casually thumbs up when I like it without any words.
If I cared I wouldn't come to any forum. As I said 10000 times, for me is only fun. And yes if someone attacks me I fight back. I only would unfan someone whos has been rude to me, not for what he thinks or does, a couple of christian fanatics are my fans and I am theirs. And I never unfanned you BC not even then...
You I respect, you are up front and speak your mind I am talking about the person who is one day yer best mate then just vanishes without a trace. You are not false, you are you and I respect that in a person.
Its not really the reading of hubs Dennise it's the respect and that actually does matter to me. I never considered it until yesterday when I had a bit of banter with Fierycj and he said I had lost the respect I used to have because of that night I went crazy. I think Fiery is right, people do lose respect on here and I can understand that. Thing is I am who I am, I will not change and for me respect is important.
I read a lot of hubs and do not always comment. I do not think anyone hates each other on the forums, and often there are disagreements. Some people like each other more than others, and that is true on the forum as it is in life . There are certain people in the forum that love to give me a hard time because of certain views I have. I have been trying not to participate as much as there is no point to those discussions.
Eaglekiwi you are a diamond, you really are and you are yourself and if I was given a choice to pick my top 3 friends on hubs you would be in there. Just lately I feel like I am wasting my time on here. On the forums that is, lately I have been thinking of just posting my hub then rating a few and logging off.
Thats a very kind thing to say ,but Im nobody special truly Who knows one day I could get on here , shoot my mouth off and be banned..ya just never know ,so I even though I might mutter , ahem no one in particular , bloody silly buggar etc etc .. I know that could easily be either one of us melting down and BOOM ,Partys over
I hear ya re forum, its one constant power struggle after another...but I almost finished a hub today , and ezine approved an article and shot me up the list for some rss feed link...so maybe Ill make $2 this week ,instead of a few cents.
But Ive lost the edge a bit , unmotivated maybe ,dunno.
Oh thankyou again , youre either very perceptive or pulling my leg...nahh ya make up for other crap that gets said to me ,reckon we be ok bro
Personally, I go back and forth about that all the time. It does feel at times that you are wasting your time, but the real question is this: Why do you write? Do you write to inform or do you write in order to get validation from people. If you write for the first reason, you will most likely return even after getting burned out. If you, like me, write for the sheer joy of putting ideas down on paper and creating something new and unique, you'll always come back. It's like a drug.
If, on the other hand, you write for validation purposes, well you might no do so well here. Unlike writing for the sheer joy of it, a validator wants people to agree with him or her and/or admire the intellect of such a person. With the sheer numbers of people who visit this site on a daily basis you're going to get people from just about every conceivable ideology. It's a given that some people will not give a validator what they came here for.
Respect, in many ways is not defined correctly. Gangbangers, for example, use respect when what they really mean is fear. Likewise I think respect in the way you envision it is agreement. Respect is earned, but each of us have a different system by which we evaluate respect. With some people, for example, I do an awesome job of ramming my foot directly in my mouth. Later, as we talk and get to know one another, respect may grow, or it may not. Indeed, there are some people here I respect that I never would have believed I would when I first began talking to them. Likewise there are people I've met here whom I will never respect. But that's OK. It's not like my respect or lack thereof is going to materially affect that person. If I don't like them and they don't like me, we can tune each other out. Don't feed the trolls in other words.
In the end the only person you have to be able to look in the face is yourself. If you like what you see, great. If not, well you have some soul-searching to do I think. Anyway that's my two cents.
I checked out my 'comments on' tab and realised that I havent been reading hubs for ages.... but the reason is...... I spend too much time on this bleeding forum!
My '100 great hubs by 100 great hubbers' project will hopefully make up for that a little..... but I have noticed (without naming names) that some of this forums 'heavyweights' so to speak..... are the ones that havent bothered to help out another hubber by participating in my project.
I am convinced that a couple of this forums most heavily fanned and most active posters are in this game completely for their own benefit and without any desire whatsoever to help out newbies, or help anybody for that matter, but are very quick to jump on peoples back when they have a bad day or make one silly comment. There are a few very established hubbers that believe they should be worshipped for various reasons, but who have gained respect for all the wrong reasons.
I probably shouldnt have started this rant, as everybody is now going to wondering whether I am referring to them.
As it happens, you are one of my favourite people on here badcompany and were amongst the few that were quick to jump on my hubs to leave a nice comment and lift my spirits when I had my own falling out with some people (thats happened a few times, so again.... readers should not be jumping to any conclusions there).
But the best thing to do is forget about the people to whom you refer, and think about the greatest hubbers. Uninvited_writer, eaglewiki, Mark Knowles are a few of the great heavyweights that I can immediately think of. I have noticed that Relache and Nellie Hoxon (sic.) are also very helpful and welcoming to newbies..... there are some great people on here. (How could I forget, Cabingirl).
Then there are the newer hubbers, some of whom starting writing around the same time as me..... Colebabie, Davinax (think thats her name), tantrum..... there are many that seem like really great guys and girls. Helen Carter another new one that I notice that you have got on with, a few of us are really trying to help her out.... and thats testimony to how good this community can be.
- Edited - oops
Anyway, I want to see some hubs from you Badcompany99.... Im sure that you were on 46 a couple of weeks ago!
Hello BC, I couldn't help but notice and read your comments in here! I just wanna say that I read many times about people hating each other on HP and I never knew why? We don't see the person but we only read him/ her and if we don't like what we read, we should just let it go and move on!!! Our reaction should never be targeted at hating anyone... Some poeple deserve that but i just like ignore them...
Ryan can i just say Fiery is a true friend of mine, hes a good guy who speaks his mind and I both like him and respect him but his remark made me think about my persona on here.
Is my double act with Cabin Girl a farce, have I lost respect because I do know of 10 really good friends that have vanished and its ok to say its just a website. Its also a community and some people are so much different like Mark Knowles who could so easily have torn into me but he didnt, he offered help and I respect the guy for that.
Dude, I just edited my post after realising that and before you replied (maybe you change your reply to me so as to not upset him) Apologies for misunderstanding that post. We all get along with different people, but there are plenty of people that relate to your persona and respect you greatly. Those that dont are not worth worrying about. Everybody that has replied to this thread seems to like you for a start. If people are as fickle and impatient as to change their opinion of somebody after one incident, on one night, then let them go. Simple as mate, chin up.
Lol do you think he's stupid, only about 7 people have replied to this post. I am the Cabin Girl and believe it or not I am the main alter-ego and I tell him what to do. Do you recall the movie Sybil, well I am the main persona not BadCo and I decide what he does. This post has proved to me that my talks with him were well founded.
I personally enjoy the presence of Cabin Girl, and so do many others. I spoke to you on here because I liked one of your hubs, I also commented on one of Cabin Girls hubs before I discovered that you were the same person.
In fact, I cared so little about this news.... that I didnt even bother to read the 'controversial' thread(s). Why should I care?
I have to admit though, that I can never reply to cabin girls direct replies to me... I dont know why, not because i am offended by it, I just cant roleplay. I know that I cant roleplay outside of my own mind because I have tried it several times with girls We all see enough of the real badcompany.
I do have one bit of advice though.... maybe keep any other alter egos that you may have under wraps for now
I just read about the Fiery issue before Ryan Edited the post and had a look through the Thread - Like you said, F always speaks his mind but you 2 ended the "conversation" on a good note.
Personally, I think you just need to ask yourself one question. What are your objectives for joining HP? which I'm guesssing would be to Write good articles - and that you do very well. So, what's it to be Badco? Are you gonna let people's comments get to you?
Look forward to reading more interesting Hubs from you...
Im not too sure that I know anything about the Fiery issue... Im not sure if that is what this post by badcompany is about.... I misunderstood the thread at being aimed towards fiery, and maybe it was I dont know, I edited because the last thing I want is to get involved in another argument with Fiery myself
Tonight it was a choice of the two alter-egos Lady E and I won, I can write better than BadCo and unlike that wimp I am a ruthless bitch who cares not what people think. In future I shall write the hubs, BadCo is but history !
I never stopped reading and because of my husband I have even slowed down on my writing. I cannot seem to think if anything to write about. I have not unfanned anyone even if I disagree with what they say, I quickly get over it and move on. I have even gone as far as apologizing for being snippy it isn't in my character to really be rude but I have seen it within myself lately and I do not care for it. I don't believe anyone has lost respect for you I just believe that sometimes we all fight our own demons and we feel empty and lost. I know you BC and you are harmless all of us rant some my perception of you has not changed one bit. ((Big Hugs))
Since only a few have placed comments on my hubs I don't rreally care if they all read my hubs or not. I know of only a few who do. And I try my harest to read hubs but dang it it's like everyday I come on here and all the people I am a fan of has written a new one. I just can't keep up...
But as for respect...I do respect you BC and you CG and enjoy talking to you guys. I do my best to ignore the hubbers who do repeat themselves constantly with no point to their posts but as far as resepect goes I respect everyone until they show me that they don't deserve it.
I agree with your original statement. For one thing, none of us really know each other(I'm assuming anyway), so I don't understand why people get so upset and start slinging rude and nasty comments back and forth in the forums. Of course, i have had a bad night or two myself and posted some comments that were a little terse (not aimed at anyone but at the subject matter) and thought about it afterwards and wondered why the heck i did it. I could have just as easily given my opinion on the subject without being rude and just as easily made my point known. As for respect, well, that's a whole nother enchilada. I have my favorite hubbers and always try to read their new hubs when they come out. If it's something I really like or am interested in then I'll leave a comment otherwise I don't. I think too many people take these forums way too seriously. But I am still a devoted fan bc and cg, I love your sense of humor and writing style and just wish I could be half that good some day. lol
"Love yer hubs Ryan, you keep the faith my friend. I worked out a month ago that you wont please everyone but you can outlast half the buggers. A lot that pissed me off 2 months ago are gone and it will be the same in 2 months time. They come and go but we my friend will steal the cream, keep writing ok and dont ever let anyone steal yer fun on the forums!" -BadCompany99 (about 3 weeks ago)
Replace 'Ryan' with 'BadCompany99'..... looks like you just need to use your own words of wisdom mate
I really hope you don't leave. As I've told you before, you can always make me smile and or laugh, and there are days when that's all I have. Sometimes just reading your comments on your hubs to other people is extremely entertaining. And that's why i'm here, to be entertained and hopefully entertaining to someone else, to try my hand at writing and to meet people.
I think you must have miss read IE. I didn't read it like that all. So why don't you read read it. She has a ton of respect for badco. But even badco knows he is a little out there sometimes. I think what she was trying to say, is that she understood IF BADCO wants to unfan her, because she found it ironic that HE was writing about respect on the forums. I think some of you owe her an apology, and try learning her and bad's forum relationship for christsake instead of hating her for loving him!
Quite opposite really! I'm his number one fan, thank you. But I always seem to be riding his ass, and don't mean too. So if he is tired of it, I completely understand.
And about YOU not fanning me, I would not want a person so fair weathered as you. Nice jump to assumptions. peace. Don't ever read anything I write. I would find that to be offensive, from such a narrow minded individual. Just to let you know.
How does that saying go? Sticks and stones may break my bones bur names will never hurt me. call me what you want. i don't care. I am here for BC as you have proven you are not. So run along child and go play somewhere else.
Fair enough, just curious. I cant work out who likes BC and who doesnt. So far on this thread... I can only seem to see one person that doesnt seem to like him..... so just very curious as to who the other 9 are
Dude, she sent him her personal address and cell phone number reaching out to him in the forums for the world to see, you asshole. They had to snipe it. I too find it ironic that Badco is talking about respect issues in the forums, just as I'm sure he would find it ironic of me.
YOU are totally out of line here. Crazy- u too. TOTALLY OUT OF LINE!
No I didnt know anything about it. All I could see is my mate BadCompany99 upset, and somebody not being very sympathetic. If I become aware of a good reason for them not to be sympathetic, then maybe I would change my opinion.
There is no mess to clean up RKHenry, unless you took your time to explain this situation.
Looks like one big unfanning session doesnt it. I backed your corner just over a week or so ago, left you a nice fan message, got no appreciation for that. It looks like I have got right in the middle of something that I dont understand.
Yes thank you for saying my name right...and sorry for lashing out at you. I was wrong to have done that and again sorry but to me it seemed like you were being rude to BC and he was really down in the dumps. I read it wrong and I do apologize for that.
By the way nice nickname and where did you get your pic from? it's interesting...is that really a blow up doll
You know, it is okay for others to be real with somebody you might like Crazd. Rude or not, I said nothing derogatory towards badcompany99 to warrant your post. But again, I understand that you went to his defense. I would have understood your aggression better, if I would have said he was worthless or something like that. But hey, I mean bad knows his history here on the hubpage forum. And well, him writing a post about respecting others; please- that is incredibly ironic. And HE knows it is, and if he really cared about the integrity of this thread of his, HE would tell you that himself.
I've been around the block a time or two. Badco is reaching out in help. That is all fine and well. He knows I'm here for him, but Crazd I don't sugar coat things for bad, nor do I play make believe with him. And to some, and to him I'm sure it appears that I'm riding his ass all the time. Because I care for this writer, I want the best and I truly don't mean to be knocking heads with him. But it is my personal feelings, that someone has to be real with this person. Not saying you aren't, and maybe I'm off base- but yes, I've reached out to badco99 and when they are ready or need my help, I'll be the first one there. So what I was trying to say is that, BADCO if you want to unfan me, I understand. I'm okay with that.
Now what I should have finished with is; "Because it makes no difference to me, I'll still be your fan."
Now is that better?
Badco, I've very sorry for the mix up. I'll stop responding to you and leave you alone. But know- I still except you to keep on producing YOUR great stuff. Because I love your writing style.
Well sorry again for the misunderstanding. Thats all that this was, two people thinking that they were sticking up for a friend - when perhaps on this occassion a defence was not necessary/required/appropriate. And then two people subsequently sticking up for their own friend.
Enjoy your beer, thats the main thing.... there is a real world out there
Last night would be Thursday. It's BC's night of red wine???
In the matter of respect, which was the original question - when I read peoples replies to post, it gives me a little insight to who they are, some are downright rude and that gives me a first impression. Some of those posters are always rude, so I don't pay a bit of attention to them, nor do I care to run over and read their hubs. Some are fun loving, some are ditzy some are direct and to the point, and most are a combination of well thought out writers who like to have fun & debate a bit. I like to be blunt, but I don't want to come across as rude.
Oh yes, I knew it was Thursday, but I had no idea how crazy everyone was going to get!! I agree with you there, Jane, and I truly hope most people realize I am more ditzy although I am sure I have come across as rude. I feel everyone deserves some level of respect. Even if you dont agree with them. I think it is important to have self respect first.
awwwww. i know its silly, but I know that behind every single misspelled word out there, is a human being.They are living, and all have thier own stories. Some are insecure and truly will care what they read, and can actually have thier feelings hurt. And I would feel so so so awful if anything I ever stupidly typed actaully had the abillity to cause anyone unhappiness.
Yeah Misha, we are always on totally opposite sides. But I know what IE has done for Badco., or rather how she has lovingly reached out to him. I was on the forums that day, they are so off base. You know, she is a good person. She's made her mistakes, and you know they have NO right to JUDGE her like that....
I've said my peace. I just feel bad for her right now.
What the f' are you gonna do? Report me? Shall I report your hate towards IE? Just admit it, YOU were wrong! Apologize for christsake, she deserves it. And you are NOT welcomed in my corner EVER! Worthless, that's the first word that to mind. Worthless Crzy, crazy,
Go under my posts if you want to find out about my feelings towards badco. It is always a good idea to do that anyway- before you start telling someone like myself, or anyone to f'off, or that you ain't gonna never..., and stupid stuff like that. But hey, I think what you were trying to tell me through your aggression is that YOU were basically defending him- Defending him for "horrible" me apparently!! Well, as his number one fan and if somebody said badco99 was a horrible writer, I'd jump to his defense too. Just like RK, jumped to mine.
Thank you. It has not been a pleasure interacting with you Ryan, or Crazd. But hey, that's ok! The world is a large place, I'm sure we all can exist here together in harmony.
PS)I'm the type of person who feels if you have to told to apologize for being out of line, then DON"T do so. Thanks,RK but I don't want it, nor would I accept it. It would have been fake. Who wants that?
It seems that there may be good reason for you to be upset with BC, although your very defensive friends dont seem to be willing to explain that reason. If there is good reason, which I must again emphasise I am in no way aware of, then I apologise for the way that I responded to your message.
I am sure that you can appreciate that your response, from the perspective of somebody that was not aware of the history, did not seem justified upon reading. I still do feel that your friends Mischa and RKHenry - like you - could perhaps appreciate that me and Crazdwriter were genuinely not aware of those circumstances.
I am guilty of assumption in no greater fashion than those that were quick to defend you. Perhaps it would have been beneficial if, when posting on a public forum, you wrote the post with an awareness that the vast majority of hubpages 88000 members would not know what you were talking about.
I treat all of my fellow hubbers with contempt equally (and this thread has escalated into a perfect example of why)
Most of my fans have come from people on ‘fanning’ sprees, so nope I don’t usually notice when they leave. There are hubbers I like and hubbers I loathe, but ultimately none of you are any more to me than words on a screen, and although sometimes those words are interesting, funny, clever, etc. I certainly hold no emotional attachment, sorry.
bc i do not think you are being judgemental as you can only make decission on your fans based on your own life experiences in dealing with people. Some people on here will argue just for the fun of it, to irratete peolpe and others become fans just for the hits. and some just read your hubs but do not comment but give it a thumbs up . So i do not delete a fan for that reason. the only time I do that is if the fan is truely arragant and keeps the bad behavour up then i will unfan them and delete them off my fan list. saying that I have no problems with you I have only found you to be very nice to chat with you can be very funny and at the same time we can have a very good conversation with you and I find your hubs very interesting I might not leave feed back but i do give it the thumbs up. So if i was you I would just leave them be dont defan them but only do that if they keep giving you problems. but that is the way is see it and i respect it if you see it different from me .
I think that is what threw me IE...you told him to unfan you after that post. Instead of saying that you were there for him even if he is posting something ironic wouldn't have gotten to me like the other comment did.
So again sorry for jumping the gun...again one of my human faults.
I'll do my best to ask before I leap next time. and yes it is okay to being real with someone.
and are you writing anything? I havent been able to get around here much, but..Im off to get a new computer in about an hour, so...hopefully Ill get more done. I have a split personality at times, right now my other half is in bed, sleeping off this headache....
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