I was just wondering why foul language (obscene language, profanity, cursing, swearing, expletives, bad words, dirty words) is being tolerated in certain cases, and in the case of certain individuals.
It is especially embarrassing when it comes from a woman. Should she not be counselled by a Moderator or someone?
I don't mind sarcasm, irony, heated debate,etc. But we must all draw a line at 'lavatory talk'.
I thought this was a clean social networking site.
Who or what are you referring to? I've always found Hubpages to be a relatively clean site. And what's with the sexism?
Must we? Thanks for telling me what I must do - again.....
This is def the place to make another public complaint about what other people do, though.
Perhaps you could counsel her yourself? As you have appointed yourself overseer of the moral standards that we "must all draw a line at"?
Maybe HP would offer you an unpaid job checking the forums for "lavatory talk."?
1. Moderators can't be everywhere all the time. It's up to individual Hubbers to alert them to problems by hitting the "report" button.
2. This is not a social networking site. It is a place to write articles. The forum is a place for the writers to gather when they need a break from writing.
Get your own M@^%#$F#$%#$G Networking site and dictate your own G@$D#$M rigid policies!
Really it is what one considers 'lavatory talk' most of it is just a combination of biological terms and body parts, sometimes even land-scaping language like the 'ass' and the 'hole' pretty simple words that I would consider.
You hurt me to my HEART Stevie! I have never heard an unkind word from you... ever! And, who, in this whole world, would attack you in any way? Everyone knows you are the nicest guy on hubpages. This is not a forum for you to be in. It's gonna get bad in here soon.
hurt you? im sorry friendlyworld. i wasn't trying to offend anyone here. i was just voicing an opinion that's all. then after thinking about how i wasn't in the mood to debate it, i decided to erase it before anyone could reply to it. although it looks like im too late on that. anyways, im sorry if i offended you, as that wasn't my intention.
eta: Idk about being the nicest guy on here, but i do appreciate you saying that. im sure there's other guys on here every bit as nice as i am. besides, i never believe people are like a 100 percent evil or good. just some people tend to let one side of themselves dominate over the other. which side that is, is really up to the person.
"unfortunately, there's some hubbers here who are MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS. i won't say who they are, but they know who they are and everyone else knows them too. however, my philosophy is if you leave me alone and show me respect, then i'll gladly do the same. it's only when certain hubbers don't show me the same level of respect they would want for themselves, that I start to become a real jerk to them. however, i wouldn't let it bother you. besides, half the people that so called elite hubbers are idiots anyway. lol. there i said it! lol i went there. lol."
WOW - well speaking as one of the elite idiots, I would have to say that Mark may be right about the life expectancy of this thread, though three days may have be an overestimate, in light of Lisa's and Shadesbreath's assessment of the content - which is is spot on, by the way. That's what I think, although thinking does come hard to us elite idiots...
What's with the elite hubber smacking, by the way? This is the third thread with this kind of remark in it that I have come across in as many days... I am starting to feel like there's a target painted on my back. Sheesh - I drop in for some fun and conversation, and end up feeling like I need to duck
Whazzup with that?
When the Elite label was introduced, several of us said it was a terrible choice of words and would cause trouble.
Told you so!
It needs to be changed, and now, because people are misunderstanding the term. Why not make it V for volunteer?
Yep, some of us knew this was a bad choice of titles with at least one of the "Elite" having the "E" removed from their profile.
Actually, the title probably prevents some members from volunteering because it does set them up for such comments.
I don't see a big deal with the "e" thing. People need to quit making issues out everything from "e's" to bad words to something someone says in the politics forum. (How about changing the meaning of the "e" from "elite" to "esteemed". Might that be better? )
Lisa, whether people "ought to" do something is beside the point. If you set something up that invites misinterpretation, you can bet your sweet bippy that someone will misinterpret it. So why not avoid it?
Everyone knows perfectly well that the word "elite" can have negative connotations as well as positive ones, so it was a bad choice.
Sure it would be better, but the original meaning of the "E" would not be soon forgotten. Better to just change the title completely. It really makes no difference to anyone but the volunteers because they are the ones getting the flack about the label anyway!
Ahh, well - no good deed goes unpunished...
Perhaps if so many people find it offensive that some of us volunteers were given an honorific/special title (pat on the head) for helping out, perhaps we could be identified by the area in which we volunteer/help out.
SO then, we could be HN for the HubNuggets Team, HG for greeters, or whatever would make sense...
Then again, perhaps if we/I grow a thicker skin and learn to ignore certain types of comments (and we all know who - er - WHAT they are ) then some folks, and we all know who they are or do we? maybe that should be, and we all know what they are? or,... we all know why they are?... wait - I know - it's "and we all know where they are"... ? ...
ya know what - who cares? Maybe they will eventually tired of taking potshots. We live in hope
I don't like the word 'elite' either, but it has nothing to do with anyone personally. If anything, we all appreciate the work elite members do here and that's all that matters. I have a feeling with or without the tag, such people will continue being helpful, so it really doesn't make any difference one way or the other.
I 'signed up' to be a HubGreeter 2 weeks ago because I want to GREET! For God's sake, what's elitist about that? This thread makes me tired...
It doesn't play favorites. The HubPages Staff is limited in power with regards to the forum thread, because they are limited in number in Staff.
The moderators are not always in the forums and when they are, they do not have the power to moderate all threads. As for having some individual you supposedly and apparently chosen to say needs to be "counseled" is a misunderstanding. Moderators do not "counsel" members about their actions, they ban them from the forums based on reports and reviews brought to their attention by other hub members.
You don't mind sarcasm or irony, but heated debates in their nature always(almost) turn into some sort of "lavatory talk", regardless of which said is right or wrong.
This was your second misunderstanding- HubPages is NOT a social networking site, like Facebook or Myspace or any other.
I'm with you. These damn wimmins and their dirty, nasty mouths. It's gone too far, I tell ya. First we lets em have at them books and readin'. We jus' uppin' let em read whatever they damnwell pleased. Gave 'em ideas that. Bad idear, I reckon. Now they is readin' and writin' and gettin' some high-an-mighty opinions of theirselves.
Then we went an' gave 'em the right ter vote. I ain't sure what the hell we was thinkin' there, and now they not only is votin', they is runnin' fer office too! By God we damn near had us a woman president, and we got us a whole passel o' wimmins in the Congress for Pete's sake. Even some judges too. Nex' thing you know they'll be passin laws and we'll all be bakin' cakes and wearing Maxipads.
And if it weren't bad enough, they git ter just go out and just sex it up whenever they feel the urge, just come on inta heat and do as they please, and that weren't good enough, now they is figurin on cussin' too? Ain't no kinda decent woman gonna open up her pretty mouth and let that there profanity come on outta there. No sir, that is right uncalled for, I reckon, and we needs us some moderatin' ter shut em down.
Where's that darned Maddie Rudd when you need her.
Oh wait... Maddie is one of 'em! My God! They's ever-where.
And I bet we'll get one in the office in 2012. Either Sarah or Hillary
Frankly I would prefer Sarah, she looks way better
Me too. Sarah is hawt. The government is paralyzed by partisan crap and corruption anyway, might as well have a hot chick on TV. Just turn the volume down and enjoy our democracy.
I guess what you're sayin is - as long as you don't listen to her strident, caustic voice or the words that are spewing without any knowledge to back them up - then she's hawt? Which means all you're interested in is the bod and the face? which means, as far as I can tell, you might do well to stay away from politics and just watch youtubes of mud wrestling. Anyhow, I don't even agree that she looks good at all! There are multitudes of much better lookin women you could fantasize about! I worry that the public may be voting that way - on the size of accoutrements etc.
and yes, I know you're jokin' but sometimes people say stuff just like you said, and they're not jokin' - round here! oh golly - did I get baited again?
Besides, she can see Russia from her front porch.
I'm one of those 'passel o' wimmins' Shades, and I do take great offence at your obviously sexist and anti-Sarah stance. Gol durn it! Wait, is that a stance? You're some sort of worm. Worms can't stand. But you do. How do you manage? Oh, I get it, the beer!
Why do some public tv stations allow the use of the words: bitch, ass, damn, and crap while others don't?
Liberals have much more latitude in the subjective adjudication of the TOS. Convert them to conservatives and you'll see them banned for their evil ways!
How do you know whether it goes unpunished?
I used foul language for about 6 months, then ended up getting a 3 month forum ban for the priviledge.
It wasn't the use of language though, it was the context in which it was used.
What is wrong with swearing precisely when used in a general context rather than an aggressive or abusive one?
If I called you a f*c***g c*n* right now (hypothetical) then that would probably justify a ban. If I said "man its f*cking cold in the UK right now, I have 5 layers on", then that isn't exactly a crime punishable by firing squad is it?
How do you know who gets 3 day forum bans? As far as I am aware this is not publicly disclosed and can remain firmly between Hubpages and the individual who has been warned or disciplined. Your assumption is unfounded.
So Pi...... ummmm..... errrrmmmm.... piddle off.
Personally, I'm all for profanity as long as it is well used. Shakespeare used lots of 'rude' words because they were in common use and he was writing for his audience, Obviously, the constant use of rude verbs is annoying but hey, some authors are notorious for it' DH Lawrence to name but one.
I thought there were automatic checks in place for that kind of thing!
If you find anything objectionable, it is up to your to report the post in question, which takes about 30 seconds. Moderators do not have the time to monitor threads.
As you don't mind sarcasm and irony you will not be offended if I add pompous, opinionated, morally fragile, close minded, fanatical and obtuse - will you?
This question might be more relevant under the Taliban - this is a free world we live in - perhaps the Hub team are allowing some artistic license, I am sick and tired of people complaining about what other people write when their own writing is nothing to write home about.
ain't dat de trut tho! nothin to write home about - including, spelling, punctuation, grammar - some of those who are trying to guide us onto the straight and narrow path - well, its hard to even understand their hubs sometimes, or why they don't get a rudimentary English class first if they're gonna write English! but that's how it is - the most self-righteous usually beat their kids - usually. just sayin!
I'm sorry..... This thread has given me a much needed laugh. It can't be going anywhere but downhill from here, though...
In answer to the OP's original question, perhaps HP could appoint some moral guardians to help it control the rising tide of foul language, perversion and general filth with which it's being threatened.
You could even have an accolade to go with it, with maybe a suitable picture/icon:
yeah then when hubpages is cleaned up come and clean my bathrooms for me, i have 3 for some unknown reason in this house, and i am sick of cleaning them all, it is hard work, any volunteers.
love the picture. i must admit i have not seen much on hub pages that i have found o.t.t. but then maybe i am looking in the wrong places.
Honestly - I know it's "wrong", but I'm sitting here, cracking up at some of those fresh answers. Some of these folks missed their calling as comedians.
I wish i had a sense of humour i have read every post, and dont make me laugh..... what is wrong with me. The person that started this thread, writes lovely expressions on my hubs, so maybe that is making me a bit sensitive toward that hubber. Ah we are all so different. Nice to disagree without being disagreeable.
Joy, it's probably just my pathetic mood. I'm not laughing at the OP. I can't help it - fresh answers often crack me up ("evil" or not). Maybe, too, it's just that I knew, when I saw the thread, what was about to happen. (Here's how far away and distant I've been - I missed that picture of the cleaning brush. I thought it was a quill pen and ink well. for taking names. )
: roll eyesi can relate.......... having fun just communicating this morning, where do you live Lisa, i am in Ireland. I love that we can chat with peeps so far away.
This is sooo funny! I must keep out of the forums and get some hubs written, but I can't seem to be able to tear myself away.
For fu$ks sake, what the fu$k are you talking about! lavatory talk!!, like we want to talk about lavatories...you talk about lavatories on your own time matey.....what the fu$k!!!!!
Aww...., Wayne. I had been trying to slowly elevate this thread to something nicer. Now it's back where it was - and worse!
I do think I've lost this battle. Just going try one more time...
(think I'll leave with the puppies and daisies.... got a feeling this thread cannot be saved )
When the rain falleth it falleth from a great height
I gotta go to bed. Great thread everybody! Good luck with your little project Lisa!
Usually most commentary when it becomes defiling and debased on a level of lavatory wordage, it may be taken at face value, involved offending someone at some level, or be taken in a humorous light, such as, for example (and not directed at any one individual or Hubber intended, purely mentioned for commentary purpose;
Please take this <object prepared for inclusion into a specific insertion point> and Royally <make motion, usually in a forward manner, and then removed after a short period, then repeated for a duration> go <mentioning of various forms of sexual conduct or activity> self <intended to be the recipient of said object and motion mentioned above> .....
Some how just doesn't express well enough when said in that manner
I think it's awfully hot when you talk that way, KJ. Yum-gimme some more of those <>'s. See, and I wasn't talking dirty, either.
What now we are not supposed to discuss science?
Oh duh just noticed lavatory not laboratory.
Sarah vs Hillary -- The fight of the Century!
In this corner weighing --- 110 pounds -- Sarah's coach is Ron Montgomery
and Hillary's coach is Mighty Mom!
Ew. People are fantasizing over the potential POTUS?
That's kinda disrespectful, don't you think?
I thought that kind of thing went out with Jack Kennedy.
that's about it! it's what we do! a celebrity is a celebrity is a hot celebrity if you just squint your eyes enuf!
And you, too
BTW I don't see any disrespect in this...
LOL I am not a worm nor any other bulbous headed creature with a long tail whose name rhymes with one.
You have such a big brain for a worm-I'm still calling you that-so how come you didn't come up with 2?
BTW, I think we've killed this thread. Oh, well.
I am willing to bet it will be resurrected on the third day.
And then misquoted and abused for centuries in the relentless pursuit of power and self-importance?
And there you go again -- right back into cussing mode, and bringing the thread full circle.
*Takes cue to enter stage left swearing like a sailor. Or a wimmins. Or a potty-mouthed thread crasher*
But wait. If an atheist (e.g., Marke Knowles) says the name Jesus Christ in a sentence it cannot be considered taking the Lord's name in vain if said atheist doesn't believe in Jesus in the first place. Right?
If I start a thread about Winnie the Pooh - will that get me counseled over lavatory talk? (A lady can't be too careful about her choice of words, you know.... )
Sounds like an illegal immigrant to me.
LOL Lisa. Yes, indeed. The word "pooh" does show up on the banned list.
You could also offend some readers with references to Winnie the Pooh, the bear who is oh-so-fond of eating out of the honeypot
Do we need to be reminded that vulgar language comes from the Latin "vulgate" - vulgar language is the language of the common people. All this begins with class discrimination, and that ticks me off as much as the free speech issues.
The word arse originates from the Hittite arrash, meaning arm OR buttock. Interesting!
Jebus, the mind would just simple BOGGLE at that one (damn, I need a raised eyebrow icon right about here)
Really ? - I can't see how any language would have the same word for two such disparate body parts. Any more info on this ? the online dictionary places seem to think it is an anglo-saxon word at least 1000 years old.
this thread is so going down!
Oh dear foul language was so last year....I talk with my lavatory everyday and didn't do me any harm!
The important thing waynet is - did the lavatory talk back?
And another thing...I haven't read this entire thread, but how did foul language evolve into elitism?
I almost decided against that little 'e' because I don't want to be considered separate from other Hubbers. I am part of this community. And most communities I am familiar with have volunteers of one sort or another.
Boy, am I steamed!
But this is nothing against any of the very helpful volunteers here, Lorie! The title itself just begs for insults from disgruntled members or someone with an axe to grind against any of those trying to help out.
It would be the same if the "E" stood for exalted instead of elite. Please don't take it personally because it really isn't.
As I stated earlier, it makes no difference to me, but I don't see using the Elite label helping to engender community spirit and instead, the exact opposite may be the result. But good luck
Thanks for clearing that up, mega-I admire you for reading this entire thread to sort it all out. And thanks, Randy, for your words-I guess I got a tad miffed when I saw that word 'idiot' bandied about.
I think this all goes to show that there are some people more 'exalted' than others-of course there's some sort of hierarchy here. I'm not really savvy when it comes to computers-the Internet, especially-and put my feelings 'out there' when it's not necessary.
*Back off from the machine, Laurel*
...and I did, for a couple of hours, did some reading and gardening, took a long walk, and feel much more free of all the perceived or real BS.
Love youse guys!
Plain and simply put I don't care if it embarrasses you that I "a woman" uses profanity. You are one of over 100,000 members and usually the context that I use it is not directed at anyone and is rarely seen though you meet me in person I cuss like a gosh darn sailor.
hey - I just re-read over this last thread to determine what was going on with elite hubber bashing - and it all started when stevennix said something about elite hubbers - but I don't think he was refering to the elite VOLUNTEERS hubbers - he was talking about people that seem to get away with alot of borderline bad stuff. If he were here I'm sure he'd clear this up and say - no, he doesn't think the hubbers who volunteer and have the little e for elite are idiots (half of them) - no he was talking about those who sometimes break rules but don't get called on it - which is actually because nobody bothers to report them because they're popular. get it? I know for a fact he doesn't think the volunteer hubbers are idiots. i'm sure. that is, I think so so its all a beeeeeg misunderstaning!
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