many people on hp have dual accounts, alter egos, and split personalities. although several maintain a certain dignity with those accounts, we know they are the exception rather than the rule. after this morning's apparent outing of one of the more vicious trolls on the site, is it fair to ask that the hate talkers and name callers come out from behind their masks?
I did Duck check his site and see if he has been around awhile/ I also told randy I would give him my number with the area code to prove where I am! Randy also knows my real name and address! He can call if he wants
This is true BlueDog. Tex did give me his real name and address. I am honor bound to not reveal this against his approval though. Whether he has an alter ego I cannot say just as I have no idea about you or others having one. I do believe Tex gave me his real identity though.
Yep, here is your original question - you asked those whose second personas behave badly to reveal themselves. And I asked you to reveal yourself, as I thought your behavior was not any better. Sort of humor, or satire, or sarcasm.
Nope. I vouch for him. He's a photographer whose significant other is a school teacher, living in Austin, TX. He knows where Oak Creek, Sedona, AZ is and why it is special (for photography), and he's a decent person.
I definitely don't appreciate it. Fine, insider joke. As well as doggy-ducky stuff - is it insider joke too? If yes, then what the fuss is all about? You guys play insider jokes and then complain that some of you use second personas for that? Pretty harmless use I would say
Misha - I do not see Blue Dog as hiding behind alter egos, split personalities etc. which is what he's talking about. He seems to come right out and say what he thinks - all under his own name etc. That's a lot more than most of the blowhards here do.
It is not fair nor does it show anyone respect towards anyone else who is being themselves on here or any website really unless it is an RPG forum and website then it is okay to be whoever they want to be.
I have no alter eego. I see no reason to either. I am me and always will be me.
Because BC and CG are so open about it they have my respect. All others do not right now.
I wonder if Hubpages likes having the controversy. Perhaps they think it keeps people entertained and is therefore good for keeping potential readers (clickers) on the site. I can't seem to think of any other possible reason.
I agree with you, bluedog. I think 2 profiles can be helpful for writing purposes, I get that. And, some people are "out" about theirs, that's okay, too. But, the people who use their double identities in the forums to "hide" and promote their hate or agendas, I LOATHE.
"actually, over the course of several weeks that guy has been allowed to spew hate, racism and bigoty, nightly, in the forums. daytime as well, under the cover of deceit. hubpages allows him to have his bully pulpit. as has been mentioned frequently, it is because of people like him that this place will be dragged so far into the gutter it may never recover. alter egos and dual personalities are fine, when they are handled in a manner such as frogdroppings, just to name one. they're upfront, out in the open, and anyone who's paying attention knows who they are. but at the opposite end of that spectrum we're forced to deal with the absurdities of racism, cloaked behind fakes who would never show their real name in public.
the scorn and public ridicule directed his way is more than justified. it is more than deserved. hatred and racism are not games. they are the guiding light for the shallow minds without soul. there are those amongst us who will stand our ground against these pathetic losers,
these problems can be easily addressed, and corrected, by management. for starters, if someone chooses to be a part of something, then make a contribution. i'm not talking about a contribution of lies, deceit, hatred, and racism."
--Bluedog's post from another forum thread.
And yes, I find much truth in it. HOWEVER, for whatever reason, they are allowing the trolls to stay. Moreover, they are likely to ban anyone who takes offense to these trolls actions (that's what trolls do--they try to stir people up) and fight back...in the name of 'equal time,' I would imagine. A not very subtle management style or differentiation, but what can I say?
Anyway, it really isn't about alter egos, but trolling and nasty, crazy meanness...often disguised as 'political debate.' Those who truly engage know who they are (and Misha, I'm sure underneath your 'stance,' you know, too). Several of Hubpages star writers have stated they are disengaging from Hubpages and the forums...and I know this personally, as well.
None of this, however, is up to me. As I am well aware.
You called me a hog, said I should be shot and barbecued, said I was slug and said I should go kill myself. You also told me I was a stupid female twit and then turned around and also suggested I was really a man.
I'm really not interested in talking to you further whatsoever, frankly. And will not.
Never called you a hog or threatened to shoot you, you are a liar! Did call you a slug! Did say maybe you should kill yourself! You are the most unbelievably neurotic woman I have ever seen post! BBQ you? WTF!!!
I 'spread' nothing. Believe I disagreed politically with one...and I would put it delicately (bluedog said it succinctly), I would consider, uh, narrow minded. This is my real name and picture. I work in PR. I don't think it would be in my best interest to 'spread' in the same way the trolls present at this point on this forum do.
Anyway, I have made my point here, and I am busy as well.
I have been trying to stay off the political forum, I really have, but why can we not discuss legitimate concerns on here without someone or other jumping to cause more confusion. It did not even involve the person who jumped in, and I have to point this out, so I am not sure why they care so. If it had been one of their friends being targeted I think it would be a different story too. In my short existence on this earth I have learned some people will like you, and some people will detest you for no real apparent reason. We all tend to have these biases, but for some these are just so much more prevalent than others.
I assume you refer to a Red tractor that someone who is not involved in this owns? You respond to any post I put up so who is the Troll? You need to post your proof or admit you are a liar! But you won't because you are the coward I knew you to be!
what the hell does that mean? Did you read any of this this morning? It was not difficult to figure out who they decided I was, Poetry/Red Tractor hell he is one of my fans I see his picture all the time! Can you or he post proof that I am not who I say I am?
The dual personalities love to hide behind their avatars, and two or three in particular are just plain nasty. A couple of other hubbers love to question certain people arbitrarily and not others. I have noticed these particular hubbers even stuck up for people in the past that were feeling targeted by stalking/trolling, but for some reason blue dog was affronted here. I do not feel he was at all juvenile by starting this thread as others have been supported when these issues were brought up.
A little alter ego follow me around, and that is where I draw the line. I could care less how many accounts people have, but they do not need to make others feel they are beholden to them either. Blue Dog is a nice man that sticks up for the ladies, and I do not like to see him disparaged on this thread .
This is my last word on this Blue Duck is lying and will not admit that fact! I did say some mean things to Lita who said just as bad things to me and others! I will not apologize to either one for anything I have said!! The offer is in Randy's email and if he wants to confirm my location he certainly can! Ryankett and Blueduck seem to have concocted this fairytale for their own pleasure, you can find this crap on several different forums here today!
The worst part is they have brought Manleypoetryman into this and he has never done anything wrong!
Nope Not Joe Wilson I called Blue Dog and Ryankett liars for starting this crap. I have no alter ego and they did it because I don't take their insults sitting down! If i post something they are right there to add their two cents!
Point being... 3rd graders result to name calling, an adult shouldn't be so juvenile. Think about it for a second. Ask yourself: Have I called a complete stranger a name? Accused someone of being something they may not be? Yes we all may think it. But to say it, especially when it is harsh and you don't truly know the person. Grow up. That's 3rd grade stuff.
It isn't that someone is crazy if they don't agree with you. Going overboard with name-calling, attacks, etc. eh maybe a lil crazy... I think if you're trying to show your side, prove your point, or improve your argument... when you name call or personally attack someone you've just taken 10 steps back.
I personally have never been attacked or name-called by either of them. I've never seen (not saying it didn't happen) that occur myself. There is a difference between insulting someone's intelligence and insulting someone personally. Saying "you are a moron" is a lot less offensive in my book. But some people need to learn to let things go as well and realize "Hey I don't know these people, I shut my laptop and they're gone!" and not take things so personally.
I don't think you are as blind as you want me to believe, Lita Blue Dog call names all the time! Now they have gone over the line by bringing someone into this who has done nothing! Want to come after me then bring it, cowards involve innocents and blue dog knows it or he would post the proof!
I never said that accusing someone of something they didn't do was right. Like I said, I've never been called a name by either. And to me just because someone does something doesn't mean you should do it in return.
Great, thats fine, Then I guess you are with me and will want to see the proof of Blue Dogs claim? http://hubpages.com/profile/manlypoetryman This is who he claims I am and this is not me, he knows it and is just after payback because he is mad that I don't go away! call for the proof or don't involve yourself anymore! Not wanting to be mean just do not like liars! Not you Blue Dog
Not until he admits he is lying to stir up trouble! I tell real stories about things that have happened to me in some of my hubs, I shouldn't be discredited because he is a liar! Misha is right no one knows if any of these picture or names are real! Why do I have to be held to a different standard?
Well I was part of the confusion...I guess my own confusion as I hopped into the middle of something nasty. I'm Sterling Christianson, a newbie, and this is my pen name to play in this ARG game nobody seems to know anything about....Chris Marlowe II any help?
I have no idea what this clown is on about but if anyone wants to know if I'm someone else or not tell me how prove it. I have said numerous times I would post my picture but I don't no how. If you think my grammer is bad I'm way worse with computers. If it's that important show me how or you'll have to wait until my son comes home and he can do it.
Look theres plenty of name-calling going on, remember I'm the flim flam man, con man or any number of abbreviations I don't get. Hell my sons on the Hubs, hes just too busy to fool around all the time. Oh yeah, Colebaby you'll appreciate this he's currently in Analytical Chemistry, Bio-Chem and Physics II plus the associated labs thats why he doesn't mess on the Hubs much.
I don't need proof but I would like to see your pic. on your profile it will ask you to change your profivel picture. You click on that, pick a picture from any picture you have saved on your computer and hit download. After that you crop it and then it'll be posted as your avatar.
Hmmmm one guy who could totally help you is mtsi...but I don't think he is on right now. but if you still have the booklet for your camera and a certain cord then yes you can hook it up to your laptop and download the pictures into your computer....I wish I could help you more but I can't Sorry!
My real name is Richard Wing...I'm from triond.com and use sterling christianson as a pen name because while on triond I was plagerized, pist, and started kind of getting involved with this "Game" the picture is a photo I enhanced with a color and exposure variation of a victorian gatehouse in Millbrook, NY
Sneak- Yeah but he's a chem major. Chem isn't my friend. Chem is like that person in the group that no one likes. You deal with it, but only because you feel like you have to. (By the way, If you can't think of that person... you're the person.)
Organic is the worst even his doctor said he sweated it out. He gets it. Look I appreciate anyone who thinks I might even be smart enough to pull some kind of computer majic but you'll be real disapointed to find out you know rocks smarter than me.
You're welcome Kirwing. I hope you do have fun here and don't worry if anyone tries that on here there will be plenty of ppl who will jump on that other person's case and the hubteam is always ready to help out
I'm really not either...it was started on triond...it directs one to hubpages with this bizarre article as a clue and your suppose to correspond with a story or article relative to what you know or learned playing....it's really bizarre and I doubt I'll pursue it other than this forum seems a bit more intellectual than trionds....actually a lot more civil and decent
what's the point to all of this banter...let's chat about...aaahhh Hunter S. Thompson or Tim Leary....actually my photo is the entrance to the Daheim Estate where Leary launched his psychedelic revolution and Maynerd Ferguson, Jazz Great lived in that gatehouse
Misha, I appreciate you adding your opinions into this and recognizing the name calling goes both ways! I have been harsh with those two but they have done their name calling too! Anyway thanks for seeing both sides!
You are going to think I am weird because I love the Southern California heat. It is my favorite time of year . I am one of those who shivers up a storm in over air conditioned buildings, so I think I am different than most people living here.
Nope what is weird is even when it is hot outside I will sometimes suddenly get very cold and get goosebumps. I don't know what causes it but I am starting to lean towards moer paranormal events for that one
Actually most people I know are like you. I am the odd one because I like summer. However, I would like it to rain here more, and I miss the snow we used to get in the mountains. I hope they do get some good snow days up there this year. Southern California has every thing though, mountains, deserts, the beach, which is why I love it here!
I really do not like the Los Angeles or Orange County beaches, but San Diego is beautiful! I never used to understand why people loved working down there so, but then I got it when I had to spend a week down there at a conference. The pines next to the beach at sunset were spectacular!
Just to bring the thread a little further off topic (though I'm struggling to grasp what the topic was). I would just like to introduce myself. My name is gringoperry; and I hope to get to know y'all at some point. In the meantime, happy posting folks!
I noticed Lita had mentioned me re alter-egos, not that she was being mean in any way, she was using me as an example.
For the record, I have (now) three accounts on HP. This is the one I use, the others two are for satire and commercial purposes respectively.
They are secondary accounts, not sock-puppets. And only recently opened. I have no others or alter-ego personalities that post in the forums.
The only hubber I know that has an alter ego and uses both is Art. And as much as he kicks hubber butt at times, he often kicks his own more. Neither is he a troll. When he's cheesed of, he shoots from the hip - and uses either BC or CG, so you know who he is. Besides ... he's an irish laddie and the irish don't hide in a fight, you see them coming
Or was Lita meaning that I, me, myself - am a dual personanlity all in one body
I left this thread last evening, when I realized - about one page in - that I was completely confused. It appears it has been developing into "quite the thing" since then. (I'm still not entirely sure who, if anyone, was "outed" )
Things like this saddens me. I've been on the net since before windows was a gleam in Bill Gates' eye.
I've dealt with my share of trolls and as a result I back away and don't respond. I've glanced through the religion/politics forums and have chosen to avoid them completely. There is no place for a very politically liberal wicca.
I've used the handle Gemsong since the 90s. If you google it you'll find me.
My real name is Madalain. Google that and you'll really find me.
Gemsong is my writing mask. For the song of the gem has many facets... that hide the worlds within.
PS: that picture is really me. It's hard to find a picture of me with my eyes open.
This thread is an example of the problems caused when trolls are allowed free reign on a site. Otherwise sincere people suspect others of being trolls or they themselves are thought to be trolls. I know because I've made the same mistake before and this isn't a pleasant experience either.
I have attempted to mediate between posters using PM and hope this helps end some of the animosity between members on this thread. Unfortunately the trolls still troll.
Personally I use two accounts, this one for writing poems and BadCompany99 for writing crap. But in all honesty one can't blame the poor lil trolls for all the problems on Hubs. There are some nasty lil peeps on the site who use just one account.
As for people on here hiding behind an alter-ego, jeeez I know of at least 20 who do and if most on here can't spot them then I guess I am not that silly of a cabin girl as I thought.
I just wish I had a dollar for every time I have read an alter-ego thread, it's like a sodden broken record.
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