I am risking a ban doing this but I still have no qualms in posting it.
This was left on a hub that I wrote. I hope you feel ashamed of the effect your words have on others - I doubt this new hubber is alone:
Thank you Mr Frogdropping, actually I was about to join the forum yesterday but I couldn`t because I was choc by what I was reading. One hubber said that "people who cant write English should no come to the hub" I was really sad, because my confidence is really low at the moment, I came to the hub recently but I havent write a proper hub yet for the moment I m just taking my time reading all the hubs. But I m so hurt that I dont know if I will continue to come to the hub. Maybe I am to sensitive but its not easy when you write in another langage. Anyway I will come to say hello. Take care Mr Frogdropping and thank you very much. You are a verry nice frog. See you soon.
Personally, I feel awful. And I never wrote what keira or others may have read. I joined Keiras' fan club and wrote them a message, in the hope that they have the confidence to publish a hub on HubPages. I hope others will do the same - to give him/her the confidence you've crushed.
If you are new, please ... don't be afaid to write and join our community!
I nth that. Hey I don't speak the language all that well and it's my native tongue. Seriously though, many here are quite bright, can figure out what you are saying, and maybe even suggest how to improve some phrases and tenses.
But by all means write. Knowledge should be shared.
Thank you verry verry much. I am really touch and really I dont know what to say. I fell a bit embarass now. God bless you all. Thank you again. Mr Frog a big thanks to you specially. You made me cry because I was really touch. Thank you. You all very nice hubbers and its so nice to meet you all. I cant stay now but i promess that I Will come to join you when i can. See you soon and thank you again.
Froggy, you're really a wonderful person (and a great hubber). Thanks for bringing this to the forum's attention. I'm a non-native English speaker and writing in English takes an extra effort from us. The support you and the other hubbers give is what really makes us write hubs and go on writing.
Frogdropping - this is for you: Sorry to let your "hope" down, but I am not in the least bit ashamed of making the comment that I made to World of the Wise. Furthermore, you can argue your point and make any comments you wish about me, for that matter, all day long; however, I am sure others will agree this is getting pretty old. If you wish to play counselor to other hubbers, please feel free to do so. I have nothing further to say regarding your request for a pardon other than rib-bit...
Hey EK, may I borrow your sword (or whatever you call that mean little thing on Xena's hand)? Just want to sling it to HT to get her down from her high horse . She just might be so stuck in there, she can't get down on her own.
Keira7, please come aboard. We will be most delighted to have you participate with us on HP. As you write more and more you will get better and better. Believe me. And there is always a helping hand round the corner. Absolutely nobody can intimidate you. Just believe that. Welcome. I am joining your fan club
I agree, I agree! I was treated so nicely when I first got here and I think that it really made the difference in my level of confidence in posting more of my work here. Thanks for pointing this out. I would hope that this person as well as others know that not everyone feels animosity toward them for not knowing everything right off. Heck, I can't imagine myself having to write in another language - I give them major kudos for venturing out and wanting to write in English. We have many ESL writers, and I am in constant awe of their continued mastery of a language that is not native to them. How else can one learn but to try, try again. I would hope that the rudeness is far outshined by kindness - because I know there are a lot of sweet hubbers willing to offer encouragement to a writer making their foray into using a new language. As long as it doesn't violate the TOS (like, actually being in another language) I personally don't see the problem...
Frogdropping, thanks for posting this. I am so saddened to hear that thread has spread a sense of negativity around the forums. I have such respect for people who are here writing in a language that's not their first. I hope your thread will allow others to see the opinion in the "other thread" is the minority. I welcome you, Keira and hope to see you in the forums and writing many hubs!
I just read the thread you're talking about - egads! I'll refrain from saying anything else other than welcome, keira7!
...and to Misha: , my wise friend.
It also seems relevant to note that when one writes fiction, often grammatical errors and slang terms are included deliberately for a variety of reasons. This is not to mention the fact that we're talking about the forums for crying out loud! But, I digress. I wasn't going to say anything, sheesh!
I think it's great to have more voices...in hubs, the forums, the community at large, the world, etc. It's what makes life more interesting.
Kiera, if you want to write, don't allow others to intimidate you. I've been writing for myself or newspapers and television for several decades and if there's one thing I've learned, it's that you should never let anyone else decide for you if you should write.
Any writer--true writers--I know all say the same thing...you write because you have to. Writing, like art and music or any passion, comes from your soul. It is a part of who you are. If you question whether or not you should even try, perhaps writing is not for you.
Writing has always been a desire for me. I feel like I'm suffocating when I don't have enough time to write. And as far as what others might say...that's their bullshit and you need to grow a thick skin if you are going to accomplish anything substantial.
Recently, I wrote something for a newspaper. An opinion piece about politics and how ridiculous my son's school was for not showing the president's back-to-school speech. Reading the comments made in response to my story, some supported what I wrote, but the ones who were against the president's speech...they were vicious. They couldn't find an intelligent approach to my argument and instead chose to attack me personally, creating lies and calling me an unfit mother.
Should I be upset with these nuts? My response could be to give up and hide my thoughts and feelings. I could choose to be afraid to speak up; I could be afraid to say something to those in charge. Screw that! I'm a writer and I have passion for what I do.
If you don't have passion for writing and what you are writing about, then perhaps writing isn't for you.
When I was first starting out in television news in San Francisco, I was talking to an anchor woman about changing from writing/producing stories to being in front of the camera as a reporter. I told her of my insecurities about being in front of the camera. I told her I wasn't sure if I'd rather just stay behind the camera and stick with writing. Her response was to be a bitch to me (and we were driving on the highway on the way to a story, so I couldn't exactly get away). She told me how being in front of the camera was something you had to know you wanted to do and if I didn't have that passion, get out of the way. In the end, being a tv reporter wasn't a good match for for me, but writing as a reporter for a newspaper was.
Again, if it's in you to be a writer, if you feel that need to be a writer, you'll just know.
To Keira and anybody else who may have lost confidence because of the vicious nature of that attack - whilst there was one σκύλα on there causing trouble, there was also a horde of Hubbers leaping to the defence of one of our own.
Don't be afraid to post - HotTub is not a typical Hubber
You have already done it, just be who you are and enjoy being who you are. Jeeez girl I love loads of people on Hubs but few I respect but you I always have. Keep that Avatar ok and be you, have fun and let yer hair down and trust me, it can be done and you so need it. You work damn hard as a wife and Mum so when you log on leave them behind and be just you, works for me !
No matter how you may feel about how well your english is, if you don't start somewhere you'll never get anywhere.
I remember when I was first starting out on UkladnerwowyPages (that first part is Klingon!) Despite what people said about their culture, I took the risk to start trying to write pieces and I was greatly rewarded with a lot of friendship. Heck, I even got a great blood pie recipe.
So, I hope that kiera7 can get past the nervous tension. Because I for one won't allow anyone, ever, here..to deny the human right of writing.
@Frogdropping ~ I greatly appreciate your bringing this incident out into the open. I can understand completely how easily it is to turn a potential hubber leery of having faith in this site! It is wonderful to see your caring and thoughtfulness...also happy to see that keira7 is now staying. I had no idea about the internet world of social/writing networks when I arrived here, after seeing beyond a few scares myself am grateful I have stayed. There is so much inspiration and support here for one to grow and season into writing..
Thanks to FD for this. Unfortunately the other forum is closed to reply. I was soooo much enjoying the thrashing to pieces of 'you know who' . She's lucky to have escaped from that zone. Probably in a corner somewhere licking her wounds.
Problem is a lot of hubbers already called her out for her behavior (I think you are one of those?) but still even towards the end of the thread, she still would not admit that she did something wrong. Unfortunately, she already did some damage to other hubbers. Kiera is only one, wonder if we will ever find out if there are others.
She did that thing where you completely ignore the points that anybody makes and insist that you are right. Sometimes, it is easier to admit that you made a mistake and back down - I am a rock-headed northerner, but even we are not that stubborn
Yeah but somehow they still managed to let the fruitcake get the last word again. What is it with HP and their pro-loony stance, I'm seriously starting to entertain the idea that these are all Maddie and Paul's sock puppets, and like hub Gods they sit in their office and toy with us.
hey no harm done. Gave me a chance to promote a hub for free LOL. I think Misha has a hub about sushi, if you also love those. Me, I love them both. But unfortunately the nearest japanese restaurant is like four hours away! *sigh* have to content myself with pictures.
Eagle I was actually horrified when I read keira7's comment. I know how much power words can carry and when the original thread was going on, I was actually wondering what others (like kiera) may be thinking.
I have to use portuguese almost everyday and I suck at it - yet I have to try. More than once I've been met with disdain from native portuguese speakers. It's awful. You feel so embarrassed and belittled.
And I don't lack confidence as such, but it still bites a bit deep. I honestly wish HP would simply remove the whole thread, to prevent others from reading it. We have a habit of focusing on the bad. Many that may read that will focus on one hubbers attitude, rather than the dozens that went and kicked ass.
And that attitude, the one that stands out - is the one that will be noted.
Hey froggy, I can relate with the portuguese part. It sucks when you try so hard to speak the local language just to have them point out that you still sound foreign or worse hear them correct you then laugh at you .
In fairness, HP is more tolerant when it comes to wrong grammar or misspellings. I'm writing on one academic site and although it is still expected that you write well, the comments I read can be sometimes brutal.
If HP will not remove that thread, then let's bury it to the 30th page of this forum (if there's such a page) so that no one can find it .
prasetio30 This person was also criticized for his gramar but has written some wonderful hubs. He has e-mail me several times thanking me for the nice words and for the encouragement, it has been a month and he has improved dramatically. If you get a chance go read his hubs. ( I hope I spelled everything right, I'm not wearing my glasses.)
Great thread FD, keira7 is just the sweetest, looking forward to reading her work. I hope her and others know that they are all very welcome here at HP and that most of the hubbers are kind and helpful. Love up your work FD!
He is a great person it seems. And im so glad you started this forum of encouragement FD. He sent me an email too to thank us all and i'm sure he must have taken the pains to send to so many other hubbers. Thumbs up FD. You are a good example of a fine hubber.
FD as well as being kind and funny, you are pretty also. I know hot head feels this is getting old and she will never apologise, however I want to say thank-you for this thread and all your help, support and advise, I am sure many hubbers feel the same.
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