I suggest that HP prevent any registered user from posting a new topic to the forums if they have no hubs. They can comment but not start new threads.
Most forums that I use have this restriction in place.
That is the best suggestion I have heard all year. I just leave when the spammers start and come back a little later to see if they are gone.
yeah good idea , but will it help? I mean if all the spammers need is one hub in order to post new topics it shouldnt take them long to throw some crummy hub together and still be able to spam
No, we'll never stop the spammers but we can limit them. I only brought this up because of what happened on here this morning. Some Gucci person went and spammed every single forum topic and just cluttered up everything for a little while. That sort of thing happens mostly because they know when the staff is working. With such a small staff they can't watch the forums 24/7 so the hubber community has to police itself.
Would make the sock puppets put up at least a token hub too.
They could require the hub to attain a minimum rating.
I would think that the only people that would be against this are the spammers and the sock puppets
Okay...I feel real stupid ...what is a sock puppet?
Spammers. Since they're usually promoting affiliate products and thus are "controlled" (like a sock poppet) into spamming.
Those people would be very likely to just copy paste someone's article and be like "there's my first hub". But that's why a minimum score requirement'd be put in place.
And @ Relache, having a forum just for 0 hubbers is a great idea. Would also make it easier to track down spam.
Thank you for the explaination...basically if the topic hubber has a 0 hub count and has just joined...do not patronize the topic put forth in the forum... got my vote.
of course that leads to the legitimate 0 hubbers needing legitimate advice/help being corralled with the illegitimate 0 hubbers. which then leads to: how many experienced hubbers would frequent the 0 hubbers forum to help those needing help?
No I think "legitimate" 0 hubbers would be directed to the FAQ or the SEARCH function of the forums to find an answer that has probably been asked to death on here. If they try to post without any hubs a message will pop up directing them where to look first.
At the very least, I'd like to see a limit on how many threads a 0 hubber can post. This will limit spammers (not prevent them) but also limit the sock puppets from stirring things up.
about the sock puppets, why not eliminate them entirely, painful that it would be for some? they bring nothing of value to the site.
It would be difficult to do, because some Hubbers have multiple accounts for legitimate reasons.
Agreed, one account per living viable person...I'm not sure how the hubstaff could sort through them though. Computer savvy people can fake an e-mail and identity pretty easily now a days.
Actually I'm pretty sure sock puppets and spammers aren't the same thing.
Spammers are people who make posts purely to promote their website.
Sock puppets are second, third or multiple accounts created by existing Hubbers, purely for the sake of arguing on the forums (sometimes with their own alter egos) - sometimes because they think it's terribly clever and funny, but generally with the aim of deliberately making trouble.
Me too though I know what is meant by a sock puppet...what is a 'spammer' exactly?
I'm against this idea for one reason alone:
What happens to the newbies who have genuine questions to ask, or need help of some kind and would like to post in the forums, but can't because they don't have a hub published?
Such a decision would, I think, have more of a negative impact than positive.
Also - everyone posting threads about the spammer of the day only serves to help the spam keep flowing. ;-)
Well the suggestion was to stop posting new threads, not posting to existing threads. They could just find one that's similar to their question and ask there.
Also I imagine that, if we did have some sort of antiposting rules, the person would get a message telling them why they couldn't post. With that message, I would hope they would write at the end something like "PS. If you really need help, check out the following hubs that are bound to answer most of your questions." They'd just really need a kick-butt list of awesome hubs.
If people would only take the time to just report the spam, and somehow get it through their skulls NOT TO POST ANY REPLIES TO IT, there would be a lot less spam in the forums because then it would be cleanly deleted. (This is one of my pet peeves)
I think livewithrichard's suggestion has a LOT of creedence to it. How about personas with no hubs only have a single forum they are allowed to post in?
This is a great suggestion - perhaps the "Need Help?" one.
I've been on other forums where you can make forum posts but you can't include any links until you've been a member for a period of time, have achieved a certain minimum standard, or have made a minimum number of posts.
What a great idea! I agree that having one place someone with 0 hubs can post a thread to would be great. I also agree that one of my pet peeves is hubbers who respond to spam. If you simply report it then HP can clean it up.
What's with all the haters? Don't you people realize that Spam helped win the war. You take a nice thick slice, brown each side, some fresh rye bread, and a shot of spicy mustard....mmmmm spam.....spam-spam-spam-spam....
Would love that too, richard. that would be great! Then we wouldn't have to see it all over the forums.
True, occasionally those who have been here a while and have one hub spam the forum, but not often.
The best way to stop spam completely is to have queued posts.
With phpBB forum software, you can set it so that every first comment(s) by a new user must be manually approved by staff before they go live.
I think I'd die without queued posts - they are a lifesaver.
by Tony Lawrence 10 years ago
OK, I heard the objections to my idea of no hubs/no forum posts and see the validity.How about a mandatory "Introduce yourself" post that has to survive not being flagged by X number of people in X amount of time and if they pass, they have access to every forum. Otherwise, no...
by girly_girl09 11 years ago
I have been seeing a lot of forum spam lately. I think it could be *greatly* reduced by only allowing new sign-ups to post under the help section until they've published one hub. After they've published their first hub, then they could post anywhere. I think this would deter a lot of the people who...
by Richard Bivins 11 years ago
I think HP should put some sore of restriction on posting to the forums to keep people from joining just to post their spam.New hubbers should have to at least publish One hub of original content before having access to the forums. I'm sure this will not eliminate all the spammers but it may...
by yoshi97 10 years ago
all the people I see spamming the forums are signing up long enough to post on the forum but aren't writing any hubs. So ... I was thinking. Why not require three hubs from a person before they can post in the forums? They would still be allowed to read to their heart's content, but they would need...
by Carolee Samuda 8 years ago
This might be my last forum post because I am tired. I can't be wasting my time beating a dead horse.HP is a business and they need to start treating their business more seriously. They need a task force to sit and brain storm about how to keep spammers out in the first place.I know that I have...
by Lionrhod 5 years ago
There are a lot of us who haven't been feeling safe on the forums. They've felt stalked, harassed and browbeaten.Sadly, some folks go with the letter of the law, but not the spirit of it in their posts.For an excellent post on why we need Forum Moderators, check out what Makingamark says here...
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