Can killing a lover ever be justified

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   theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

   In Ireland at the moment there are more and more high profile cases of men killing their wife and indeed women killing their husband, can this ever be justified, can a crime of passion be a justifiable death....

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      PrettyPantherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know anything about the cases you reference, but I believe that killing in self-defense or in the defense of another is justified.

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         debbie2410posted 16 years agoin reply to this

         I know that if it was me or the other and my life in the balance I would not hesitate to protect my life

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      Cagsilposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      No!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I could be wrong about this, but ...I believe it used to be legally justified to kill your spouse IF they were unfaithful; or to kill the offending interloper.
      
      But these days, with divorce (except when there's money to fight over) being handed out at the idea of "irreconcilable differences",  it's very easy to get a divorce, therefore never holding the offending party accountable.

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      Stevennix2001posted 16 years agoin reply to this

      umm....hell no.  although, i know in countries like japan, i once read that it's legal for a wife to shoot her husband if he's cheating on her.  and vice versa.  however, i still don't think it's right. 
      
      taking a life is never justified to be honest.  unless your pure evil like bin laden or hitler, then i'd say you deserve to die.  however, if your not someone like them, then there's no excuse.

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         Sab Ohposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Just for the record, that is not true.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Nope, never! The anger is justifiable, but murder can never be!

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      AdsenseStrategiesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I am very tempted to answer this with a stock: "Is this a serious question" (but maybe I won't)
      
      There might conceivably be some situation where killing is acceptable, but this is not one of them...at all. Not even close

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      vox vocisposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Can any killing ever be justified? Of course not!!! Who has the right to take somebody's life? We don't even have the right to take our own life!!! I'm a bit puzzled with the question.

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         PB_Smithposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Why wouldn't someone have the right to take their own life?
         If someone is terminally ill with no hope of anything but pain and misery, why shouldn't they be allowed to bring their suffering to an end?
         Honestly, who are you or anyone else to dictate that.
         
         Killing another person can and is justified in many situations. To say it is never justified is naive.
         
         Killing a spouse because of infidelity is not justifiable in my opinion. Killing a spouse because they present an immediate danger of grave harm to you or your children is justifiable.
         
         My wife worked with someone who was in an abusive marriage. During one of the many brutal beatings she regularly received, her 8 year old daughter tried to intervene and her husband punched the girl and broke her jaw. The woman got hold of a gun in the house and killed him. This all transpired in a matter of a few minutes. She was charged, but then within a week all charges were dismissed.
         How many of you saying killing is never justified would not have done the same if in that situation?
         
         For those religious folks out there, the Bible condemns murder, but not killing another person. There is a big difference between the two. Murder implies forethought and malice of intent.

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      Ghost32posted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Justifiable, no.  But the very inclusion of the word "passion" means that the killer FEELS justified at the moment of action...and what the rest of the world thinks or does not think isn't included in the equation.   
      
      One of the most remarkable cases I've heard about occurred a few years back in rural Montana.  The couple lived in a remote mountain cabin, high above the snowline, no neighbors nearby or even within sight.  They'd been together quite a few years.  One night (drinking, no surprise there), the wife kept telling the husband to shut up.  He wouldn't.  Things escalated.  Finally, he told her, "If you want me to shut up, just shoot me!"  So she did.  That didn't shut him up.  So she shot him again.  That worked.  Then she covered his bullet-punctured face and called 911 on her cell phone.
      
      Never did learn how her trial came out.

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Why matters, always

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       yenajeonposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Its justified it they are trying to kill you first!

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   tantrumposted 16 years ago

   Never !

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   prettydarkhorseposted 16 years ago

   killing is bad, you rob them of the opportunity to be killed softly and slowly, just kidding

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   theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

   prettydarkhorse, this is a serious question and you talk about kissing and cuddling, nice one

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      prettydarkhorseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      hehe,
      
      some people at the spur of the moment cant do things unimaginable too, and killing obviously is never the solution to any ills and problems--personal or societal

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   Beth100posted 16 years ago

   Depends on the situation.  I agree, if it is in self defence for self preservation, then yes.  If it's because of passion/infidelity/religion/you just want a change, then absolutely not.

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   theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

   there have been several high profile cases recently where people killed their spouses, allegedly these killings were all carried out as there were 'affirs' going on....husband meets younger woman type of thing.....

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   Dale Mazurekposted 16 years ago

   Are you kidding me.  In no way ever can murder ever be justified.
   
   I would only say that the only time I would agree with someone getting killed is when we have to use capital punishment.
   
   If without a doubt we know someone is guilty of murder, rape or crimes on children then they should be put to death.
   
   I know this is a touchy subject but I also know its my opinion.
   
   Dale

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      tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      What if you are the one to do it ?
      what if it's your best friend ?
      Very easy to say.
      I would like to see you there. Even for killing a total stranger.

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      cosetteposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      right on!
      
      and if anyone killed my child, i would hunt them down and kill them, no problemo

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   Twenty One Daysposted 16 years ago

   sorry to be cynical, but can a cat qualify as a lover and if so is it justified to kill the little pussycat lover?

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      tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      did you ran away from some 'place', or did your spaceship left you behind ?
      
      
      
      
      
      

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         Twenty One Daysposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         LOL.
         hi Tantrum.
         
         just being myself

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            tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            So what happens after the 21 days ?
            Some ship comes  for us ?
            

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      PB_Smithposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't that what he was talking about, men being killed for loving another pussy?

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   theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

   The capital punishment thing is a whole different discussion, we have cases here in Ireland coming back to haunt us from the time of the British presence, new documents and disclosures show that some Irish people lied against other Irish people in ordinary criminal matters and some people were hanged for crimes they did not committ....very difficult situation....

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    Deborah Sextonposted 16 years ago

    If someone is killing you or someone else, it is OK to kill them first in self defense or to save someone. Never in passion of jealousy or any other way.

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    inspireyourspiritposted 16 years ago

    Why kill a lover.  If it's not working out just go get a new one!

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    Karina S.posted 16 years ago

    no, never

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    thekidandblueposted 16 years ago

    no

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    inspireyourspirit, I know what your saying but some people seem to want it all they want the mistress and they want the wife or husband out of the way permanently....

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    shazwellynposted 16 years ago

    ... only if it is a sheep!

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       shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       It does get lonely in Ireland! hehehe

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          tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Poor Denno !

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             shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             fancy a sheepie burger? lol

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                tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                
                Yummy!!!!

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    cosette, I am hearing what you are saying, but for example here in Ireland we recently had the revelation that a senior politician here in Ireland Gerry Adams - had concealed the activities of two child rapists from the authorities, nobody is calling for Gerry Adams to be hanged...surely he is as guilty as the people who carried out the crimes particularly when he helped both to conceal their crimes......I just dont know the answer myself there seems to be a lot of double standards...

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       tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       It's very easy to say 'kill them!'
       but what if the ones that cry out loud that statement ,had to make the killing themselves?
       I'd love to see that !
       
       so childish a statement !
       

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          Linda Faye Knollposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          According to FBI statistics here in America, there is a girl child raped every 4 minutes, a boy child raped every 5 minutes, and a woman raped every 6 minutes. Those stats do NOT include crimes committed by parents or marital rape, nor do most local cops arrest a man for said crime even though it is the law in all 50 states.
          
          As both the survivor of vicious childhood abuse -- including sexual abuse -- and domestic violence, and the mother of a boy who was raped at 7 because his damnable father decided how I felt about my birth family was of little consequence as HE LOVED THEM! Even after he saw their abuse, and KNEW my son had been abused. My boy waited until he was 18 to tell me. When I asked him "Why?" he waited so long, he said: "Because you would have killed them, Mom, and then where would I have been?" He is absolutely correct!! And I still would. Line them up, get your camera, and I will thrilled to show you just exactly how the moms of raped kids feel about the death penalty. Don't stand too close. I can knock the 'O' out a Stop sign with a rifle, hollow points, and a sniper scope at 500 yards.

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       cosetteposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       really? why did he do that? protect child rapists, i mean. while i agree that protecting someone like that is horrible, they didn't actually commit the acts upon these children, so they aren't as accountable. they are to some degree, but not as accountable as the men (or women) who actually do the awful deed(s).

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          Linda Faye Knollposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          All pimps feel the same way. So do 'prostitution breakers'. I assume you know what those are? Men who rape and rerape, usually induce drugs into the victims to keep them compliant, and have NO  qualms about raping an infant or a child under five. Aren't AS accountable as the 'in your face' rapist and pedophile? Yes, they are. And are according to God's laws. Saying nothing, doing nothing, sweeping the crimes under the rug, all fall into the category of "accessory before and after the fact". The ONLY castration I believe in for sexual predators, regardless of age of criminal or victim, regardless of race of criminal or victim, regardless of economic status of criminal or victim, is castration from the neck down. As ye sow so shall ye reap ... The cross was good enough for God's son and He committed no crime. Execution is most assuredly good enough for those who do. Two petty thieves were crucified with the Lord that day. God only pitched a royal fit over his boy's murder. The other two were criminals.

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Why did he do it? to protect his political career, one of them was his brother the other his father, he has admitted this on TV as one of the victims (his niece) spoke out after being forced into silence for many years......yet he remains a senior politician getting his pic in the paper etc.....

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       cosetteposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       wow.
       
       sounds like there's some weird stuff going on in that family. i would turn them in, whoever they were. that man should be stripped of his power at least.

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Lonely No,read my post on what makes women good in bed....

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    Stevennix2001posted 16 years ago

    hi tantrum.  hows it going?

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       tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Hey there !
       Having a laugh. As always !!

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          Stevennix2001posted 16 years agoin reply to this

          that's good.  glad to see your having fun then.  your not getting into any kind of trouble are ya? 

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             tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             No!
             I'm innocent !

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                Stevennix2001posted 16 years agoin reply to this

                sure you are. 

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                shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                LMFAO! Thatll be the day! x

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    shazwellynposted 16 years ago

    Fresh and tasty!

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       tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       so, where's Denno ?
       

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Innocent of what? As that famour Belguim detective would say, it is not all as it would appear to be Hastings....

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       tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Poirot!
       

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    lyricsingrayposted 16 years ago

    No.

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    Stevennix2001posted 16 years ago

    

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    tantrumposted 16 years ago

    Nobody believes me !!!!
    
    
    
    

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       Stevennix2001posted 16 years agoin reply to this

       oh come on tantrum, we all know how much of a bad girl you like to be.     

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          shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          she'd get BANNED for less! hehehe x

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             shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             err... sorry.. she did! lol

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Poirot thats him just watched him before the massage and love making thing, anyway I believe you, Take her down.....

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       tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I will have to call Miss Marple !
       

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Take her down is what the judges used to say when someone was found guilty

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    tantrumposted 16 years ago

    

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    Stevennix2001posted 16 years ago

      yeah, but that's why we all love having her on hubpages though to spice things up around here 

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       tantrumposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       But I can't spice them as I would like anymore!
       Too bad!
       anyway, I'm doing my best !

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          shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          she's a spliced girl!

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             Stevennix2001posted 16 years agoin reply to this

             

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                shazwellynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

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       Linda Faye Knollposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Get a cookbook. All of us ARE NOT interested "her" particular type of spice. Try hot thai sauce.

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    well how are we all today, killing lovers seems to be a world wide phenomena, crime of passion , dont know, perhaps in the heat of the moment things happen....

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    One of the most high profile trials (man kills wife) is coming to an end here in Ireland, the woman had once been in a James Bond Movie and her husband was a film producer.....the woman was brutally murdered and her husband said he had seen a man run from the house.....crazy world....any way if you wish to read the facts about this story I have a link on my Hub to The Irish Times which is the paper of record in Ireland.....

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    NewYorkerposted 16 years ago

    No

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    NewYorker, you say No, I have never been to New York and my only knowledge of NY is the movie son TV CSI NY etc etc etc.....is there really alot of crime in NY or is it simply over dramatised.....

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       NewYorkerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       There's alot of crime, there's crime almost everywhere you look, they just make it seem so much more.. huge in the shows and movies. I mean, I do not walk down a street without seeing a police car with flashing lights and a siren or a cop running past me. I mean.. There are over 2000 unsolved murder myesteries in the city.. So, Crime is alot, but there's not so much of like.. huge prostitution rings where every other costumer gets killed by a giant green swordfish like CSI is aiming for people to think.

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       Poppa Bluesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Right now New York is the safest big city in America! Of course if you put 11 million people from all different backgrounds into a confined area like NY you`re gonna have some crime!

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Thanks NY that is good to hear, although I love CSI NY/MIAMI etc have alot of the DVDs, here in Ireland we have small amounts of crime compared to other countries, well with  a population of 5 million that is to be expected, but we do have some high profile murders and this keeps the media busy....

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    NewYorkerposted 16 years ago

    Yeah, I heard something about honor killings in Ireland. Is that true? Do you guys really have honor killings?

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    I dont actually know what honor killings are, what we do have is small ruthless gangs of drug dealers in our cities, but they mainly kill there own over small petty amounts of money...scum bags really....

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       NewYorkerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       So it's pretty much the same as we have here. Mostly just some gang bangers shooting each other over the littlest reason. Honor killings is like.. when you would kill your daughter for having sex or getting pregnant before marriage or something like that. Some religious parties and countries allow it. I heard Ireland was raging in honor murdering.

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Jesus No, no problem with sex in Ireland, there was a time when people in Ireland would have been dictated to by the Catholic Church but now it has lost its power due to various scandals....no just ordinary boring crime.....most people dont see it as it is in ghettoes in Dublin(1.5 million population) thats our biggest city....there is probably that many people living in parts of NY.....so relatively small stuff here..

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Jesus No, no problem with sex in Ireland, there was a time when people in Ireland would have been dictated to by the Catholic Church but now it has lost its power due to various scandals....

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Latest up date on that trial here in Ireland (man on trial for killing his wife) while the man said he had seen an intruder run from the house, the Police later found blood stained clothes in the attic in a suitcase....these clothes are very similar to the clothe sthe husband was wearing earlier that morning as seen on CCTV as he entered a shop.....

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    Manly Manposted 16 years ago

    Not unless you can get her and her secret lover with a single bullet! :-)

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    saltposted 16 years ago

    like the last answer.. no
    
    youve just shown intent.. if this is your feeling at the moment.
    
    go and talk to someone or if you or someone you know feels that bad, they really have to change something in their thinking.. anger management might be needed...(())
    
    breakups are manageable.. its not the end of the world and there are other partners .. etc...

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    andromidaposted 16 years ago

    No way.

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Manly man whats going down there Bro.....

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    poppa blues, glad to hear that NY is doing OK....we only get the dramatised version here....CSI

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    What time is it now in New york?

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    PB_smith, yes thats what I was saying but not in terms best suited to the pets and animals section....still I see the point your making...

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       PB_Smithposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       UHM, you do know the slang meaning of pussy don't you?

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Im Irish we know nothing over here.....

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    tipperaryposted 16 years ago

    Absolutely not,  in my view if your not happy , you walk away.

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       Ghost32posted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Been there, done that.  Six times (with a paper trail), in fact.
       
       Well...twice I didn't walk away...I ran like a rabbit.

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    theirishobserver.posted 16 years ago

    Tipp I hear what you are saying but it is not always that easy, thats a mad case going on at the moment in the Central Criminal Court in Dublin.....8.30am here in Ireland

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    Black Lillyposted 16 years ago

    Any form of violence can never be justified. Especially when it concerns someone who you trust.
    It's the highest form of betrayal.

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    Alessia Amnesiaposted 16 years ago

    Killing anyone is never justifiable unless it was an act of self-defense gone wrong. No one has the right to purposely take the life of another human being away.

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