It's less than 50% of the usual and it continues to decline every week. I just checked my status and it's worse than the last week. There are no signs of improvements in traffic. What about you guys?
This month’s earnings are just depressing. Around half what I’ve earned the past year. Pretty discouraging.
Going down farther.. Getting very confused as to why I've lost about 65 to 70 percent of my traffic. CPM is Under 2 dollars a day.
The only thing that's keeping me half way afloat is Amazon purchases. However, they have lessened as well because I need the traffic.
Last two days Dengarden seemed to have recovered most of the traffic in my case, but drop again today. The long-term trend for this month is a drop.
Google just got smarter with its algorithm. While rankings for the main keywords haven't changed much, related keywords have lost its rankings for the most part. That's why we're seeing a huge decline in our traffics. I am afraid there is no short or long-term solution to this problem.
Their official statement reads that there is nothing wrong with the websites or pages losing traffic. They're brining others websites into the equation with these updates - sites that didn't get much attention before.
I wouldn't expect things to change anytime soon.
It would be nice if HP would get in forum and tell us if they know anything as to why. Just a thought; they updated the 'terms" In Pet Helpful, which I think is great, but wondering if there's a correallllation.
I have too lost a good chunk of my traffic. Let us hope things will stabilize and go back to normal.
There's a lot of noise online and in SEO circles, but very little indication of what's there to do. Looking at it, I'm beginning to suspect our current levels are the true traffic levels, as in previously we were receiving too-much or traffic we didn't deserve. It's a grim thought.
Be reminded that we are approaching the holiday season, so fewer people are reading and more are shopping, planning for vacations, etc and reading less. Google can't be blamed for everything. You have to pay attention to what is going on in the world...seasons, storms, elections...almost anything can get in the way of people reading hubs. This is not to say that Google lacks blame, but it certainly is worth thinking about!
Rankings are down not just traffic. Traffic going up and down is fine, not much we can do about it, but when rankings fall, yes it's something to do with Google.
I have no idea as to how to find my rankings. Can you clarify for me?
Google search in incognito mode. Google incognito + the browser you use for a tutorial.
Thanks, but need more info. Don't know how to search using "incognito", what to search for and how to use my browser for a tutorial. Old people like me need to be taken step by step.
Haha. I was walking to university when I replied, so couldn't get into details.
Incognito mode is basically a private browsing mode (until you log into a Google account of any kind: Gmail, Google docs, etc.).
If you use Chrome press: Ctrl+shift+n to open an incognito browser. On Firefox I'm not sure exactly but you can find any link on any webpage, right click and say open in private browser (something on those lines).
When you are in an incognito borwser go to google.com and type in your popular keywords. Keep track of where they are at, you can keep track over time (don't spend too much time on it, just a rough idea) and you will see changes after a Google update or over time. For instance, I was #1 for the term green apples, I'm not #3 and with that and some other losses goes 40% of my traffic to that hub.
Oh, I forgot to mention. I checked the DA for some of the niche sites and discovered we are surprisingly low.
"Influencer" blog sites with shallow content and see-only-the-back overprocessed pics are doing better than us. That is just ... incredible.
I don't want to say you are wrong, but DA is a factor calculated by sources other than Google. It is a good indication and I use it too, but it's not the holy grail. The DA of the websites did not drop overnight for the traffic to drop. If it did, all of them 24 or 27 of them would have had to lose a major portion of their backlinks overnight. So, no that's not the problem.
Also, if you are interested in SEO you should consider joining some FB groups where people who actually work with websites are present and not just blogs of people who own Ahref or other stuff. They have the data, but they don't work with recovery methods and what actually works. They get to the party later than people working on fixes. That is why you are probably not seeing any chatter on popular websites. This reply is partly in response to your earlier post too. Data analysis is king in my opinion, but only after the data has been collected.
Hey Lobobrandon, thanks for highlighting. If there's any way, could you suggest some of these groups.
You're right. I'm mostly looking at blogs, sites, owned by SEO services. They mostly regurgitate the obvious.
As for DA, I'm aware it's not the best indicator, there never would be one. I'm also aware DA or PA doesn't tank overnight. What I was trying to say was I didn't realised we are low. I always assumed the niche sites would at least be twice of what I saw. My conclusion is that we are hit by a multitude of factors and it's really going to be a long, long road to recovery.
Traffic back to normal for popular articles but 0 traffic for the last week or so on that Owlcation hub I mentioned in another forum. Earnings have not recovered, down a whole dollar a day.
I wish I was only down a whole dollar a day!!
I haven't had a month without $2 days in a while. For Oct. I've only had 1 day just over $2 with only two other days even close to that amount. I might just speak by in terms of payout this month - am waiting to see earnings for yesterday and today- but if so it will be just at $50, no more. This is down $14-$20 for the month. Last October was one of my best months ever and I thonknthe first time I ever hit payout in a single month.
Janshares, just to let you know, my Owlcation hubs are my best ones and most are still, more or less, performing. Only a couple are down.
What's in the dumps for me are my Reelrundown and Levelskip ones. 0 everywhere.
Several of my Owlcation articles are down 40% to 50% on views.
Thanks, CYoung. I suspect it's also issues with my article. I plan to tweak the title.
I can't say the same. My traffic is up significantly over the past month. My content is seasonal so this for me is business as usual. Hot and cold weather brings traffic. Not sure about year on year....I did not look at that.
OK ... so my traffic is coming back on Owlcation ... I could be wrong here, but I'm thinking the Google updates didn't like the extra links to my other series articles within the text that I had prior to updates ... nor does it like more than one, possibly two Amazon products in an article. Now that I've toned down these two issues - it seems my traffic is coming back on Google and amazingly overnight. Got more red arrows than I've had in a few weeks which really isn't much but it's a sign. Will monitor the next few days and if it slows down again ... I'm putting the damned Amazon products back
My traffic has dropped but not nearly as much as my earnings. My CPM just keeps going down month by month. I don't know how much longer I'll be willing to keep this up as it just doesn't make sense. I have views that are registered on other sites that would only be counted if they actually clicked the link to the article. Yet almost none are showing up from any site that I'm marketing through on HP. 5 different sites and only two are showing up at all and while they register 1.8k views from one site and 3.2k views from another site HP stats show 1 view and 3 views from them respectively. The other three sites which are showing between 300-500 views a piece aren't showing up at all in HP stats. I've asked a friends to go through the sites and just view one article apiece and actually read it as they normally do just to see whats what. Those three articles all show zero views for the day (this was a couple of days ago - I waited just in case there was a lag). I'm not certain we are credited for all the views we get, possibly not by a long shot. Coupled with the continuously decreasing CPM's and it becomes a losing proposition.
If you don't trust HP's stats system, use Google Analytics. You can confirm that your GA code is present on the page by seeing the source code. When people use Adblockers or do not allow HP to track (from the EU) the views will not be counted as they cannot be tracked.
Not sure what this means. I understand about adblockers but the majority of my traffic is from the U.S. and it's hard to believe that only one or two out of thousands of views per day can be tracked. If that's the case how long before everyone uses adblockers and we make nothing?
Much depends on how Google is ranking your articles on HP. Are you talking about views from articles on niche sites or on the basic HP site, because if it is the latter, I doubt Google ranks them highly and thus views would be small in many cases. One thing you might want to try is to take one of your low view articles and upgrade the title. Be interesting to see if that would help. Just one word in a title can make a huge difference in views.
I am not sure what to think. All through October, I checked my stats and money and it seemed to have dropped by half from September. It did recover the last week before the 28th. When I got my email from PayPal, I only made $10.00 less than last month, so was feeling better. But that doesn't make sense from what I saw money wise as I checked each day.
What I cannot understand is how a popular article of mine on ToughNickel can receive a generous amount of page views for three consecutive days, and then go down to three or five or ten views for the following two days. Then the number of page views goes way up again. This is a cycle that keeps repeating itself over and over and over again. Plus, all of this traffic is from Google.
Mine are cyclic, but that's because my articles on Dengarden are usually popular at the weekend when people are off work and doing gardening or DIY. The ones on Owlcation are popular during the week, presumably because they're read by students. Oddly traffic is always highest on Wednesdays, maybe because there's an element of "laziness" at the beginning and end of the week.
Are your ToughNickel articles popular on any particular day of the week? Maybe it has something to do with when people do shopping or get paid or pay bills?
Good question. Before this cyclical pattern began, my traffic on the article was very strong on Monday-Thursday. It dipped a bit on Friday, was always poor on Saturday, and then recovered on Sunday to a comparable level as Friday’s traffic. The article discusses consumer debt statistics and patterns in the USA. I’m sure that the poor traffic on Saturday occurs because potential readers are “out and about” doing grocery shopping or buying a new pair of shoes at DSW. I also have American nostalgia articles on both Hobbylark and Owlcaton that also receive lower amounts of traffic on Saturday. However, these articles are quite new and I cannot establish more definitive traffic patterns for them just yet. At any rate, thanks for your useful insights. It is quite interesting to see your own unique traffic patterns,
You shouldn't expect view counts to stay more or less the same every day. My attitude about this is "what are the average views per month". I always go to GA, check the views for a month and then divide that figure by the number of days in that month. Then you get a better snapshot of the realistic average you should expect to see from one month to the next, understanding that holidays, weather, events, etc can affect those views either positively or negatively...not to mention Google fiddling around with algorithms!
That's because you get paid the amount shown in your Balance History, not what you see on a daily/monthly basis.
I just noticed that in the past 4 days my CPMs have jumped 33 % even though my views have dropped about 25%. That's significant.
It would be an interesting experiment to force users to turn off their adblockers and/or be tracked before being allowed onto the sites to see what the effect would be on views/impressions.
Adblockers are not new, they've been around forever. Advertisement companies almost always find a way to get around them with ads becoming less and less intrusive. A few years ago the internet was full of pop up ads. Also, that's nothing you can change, so why worry about it?
But one impression from a few thousand, something's off there.
Amazon links (instead of capsules) seems to be an effective way to get around some of them. Since you and Bev convinced me to change my Amazon sales have gone way up. I think people that use adblockers are more likely to click on those links. (No proof, just an impression.)
Now if I can just figure out how to put a link in to my hubs for one of those Russian dating sites!
Still record-breaking traffic here, and HP earnings for the last couple of days have exceeded my target. I'm not holding my breath though just in case it's an anomaly.
Amazon, however, has dropped off the edge of a cliff. Started when HP changed the 60/40 impressions to 60/40 total sales. This time of year is usually really good but I've earned less than $7 in the last week. It would normally be ten times that in October.
Edit: I just checked last year for the same period, and I may have exaggerated just a leetle. Let's say four times
Capsules vs in-text links. More people viewing your articles probably bought from Capsules, but more people use adblockers these days so in-text links do better for most of us, but every niche is different and people behave differently. This could be a reason you are seeing fewer sales.
Nah... only my old stuff still has capsules. I've been using in-text links for ages now. I think it might be because one particular article was generating most of the sales, but that one's traffic has fallen from 500-700 per day to around 400. It's still selling though... so I don't know.
Brandon, my neighborhood Carnegie Library has the “incognito” feature built into their computers for both Firefox and Chrome. Until this thread, I didn’t know what any of it meant.
My CPM fell dramatically yesterday after about four days of significantly higher amounts.
I’m having a record-breaking day for traffic. Hope it lasts.
I just had an overnight huge tank. Blue mountain coffee all over.
Have dropped to almost nothing.. I am just flabbergasted
Someone just posted this on an SEO group I am on Facebook.
Quite a few people have commented saying they saw sudden changes, some saw gains most saw drops. This "could" be the reason you lost traffic. Too early to tell.
My traffic has dropped again. There are only three possibilities that I can see, given what I am reading:
Google is tweaking its algos repeatedly and in extreme fashion.
The experimental ad regime is having a profound effect.
The experimental linking regime within Maven is having a profound effect.
Of course, it could be all of the above...
I did better for a few days, now it's back down to practically nothing. I had some of the awful ads on my work too. I was just beginning to write new material again, so am really discouraged.
My worst case scenario has Maven desperately trying to recover from the losses inflicted on it by Facebook a few months ago by upping ad revenue even if it hits site quality and consequently traffic numbers.
I should say I have no real evidence that this is what is actually happening. Probably just catastrophizing.
Easy to do in this climate of never being sure what's going on.
These awful trashy porn ads/links are becoming an issue. If we all sent strongly worded emails to Samantha, or a member of staff, perhaps someone in high office would get off their butts and get rid of 'em?
Staff here are pretty expert at dealing with the vicissitudes of Google's algos. They also understand perfectly that unrelated links on pages are toxic and that poorly placed/poor quality ads can kill a site.
I reckon everybody knows that the only way to deal with YMYL issues is to boost EAT (expertise, authority, trust) which requires credentialed expert editorial input (at the very least).
https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/10/1 … expertise/
So the ways forward are clear enough, if they can be implemented.
My traffic seems to be continuing to drop at 10% per week across all articles on all niche sites. Why the gradual daily decline?
I'm worried about these trashy porn links/ads and sense growing frustration from a number of veteran writers here on HP. If these awful things are ongoing perhaps that would deter people from visiting, hence your 10% fall?
I've written a strongly worded email to Samantha for an update.
Mine has held steady for the last few days at over 2k extra per day (as compared to about 10 days ago). It's mostly on a handful of articles. It's the highest traffic I've ever had.
My traffic is good, no complaints, but I'm vigilant. These horrendous porn links/ads are worrying. Are they still showing up across all niche sites?
I've written to Samantha for clarity and some action.
I've never seen one, apart from when people have posted screenshots. I use adblocker though.
I disabled ad blocker and still don't see these. Just the screenshots. But it really is disturbing.
Right now I'm totally lost. One of my Dengarden hubs (best for this season) is doing great. I updated it and doubled the content two days ago, maybe that's the reason it is doing well. Others on Dengarden are stable and as expected, but a few others have crashed to 40% of what they were a week ago.
Caloriebee is holding on at a 50% loss since September.
With my adblock on I see "Related" Hubs in the sidebar, just as it looked before HP started experimenting with these off-topic links to other sites.
With my adblock off I see "Recommended" in the sidebar, and often see off-topic articles mixed in with niche site Hubs. Clicking on them take you to another site, which seems extremely deceptive. I don't know how HP can ever call a writer "spammy" again when they are willing to do stuff like this.
So, it appears HP is showing readers two seperate things, dependant at least in part on whether they use adblock.
Oddly, when "Recommended" appears even the niche site articles are not as closely related as they are under "Related". For example, instead of all fish articles appearing on my fish Hubs, I see articles about dogs and other animals. This alone seems like a terrible idea.
I really wish HP would stop this nonsense and put the niche sites back the way they were. My traffic and earnings are down significantly. If this keeps up I don't see how it get better.
I think Maven/HP need to remember that we HubPages writers depend on our income just as much as Maven writers do. Sacrificing one to boost the other isn't right.
Yes, these trashy, unrelated ads/links are a little disturbing. I sense some unease among established writers here on HP.
I've written to Samantha asking for some clarity. Perhaps if she or another member of staff is bombarded with emails there'll be momentum enough to nudge someone to act?!
It's been a disasterous merger. My traffic has declined week after week, there's really no point in trying to write anything new.
Combine that with Google's algorithms and it's the beginning of the end.
I'd agree with you here. While my articles on Network sites have not been affected that bad, remaining ones on HubPages have suffered for sure. I have lost rankings for almost all my keywords. It's not as easy to have your article in the top 2 now if they're not on any niche sites.
Obvously the number and quality of hubs on the main site would be less because the best ones go to the niches, so it would make sense that, as a whole, rankings for HP would drop. The niche sites are our ONLY hope of having any success, which means that if your numbers are dropping, it's time to update, rework and refresh and then try to get them on the niche sites.
I have been doing the same for the last couple of months now. I submit the articles pretty regularly. Been rejected once or twice.
As soon as they get to the niche sites, they do A LOT better.
Yesterday was Halloween, so it is kind of tough to gauge anything by traffic over the last 24-48 hours (unless you write about Halloween).
The next two months will be very telling, though.
I hope Maven/HP come to their senses and restore the niche sites to their former prosperity. Otherwise it is going to be a tough 2019.
D'you know, I never thought of that. I write a lot of witchcraft articles
I am not looking forward to the crash
I just saw your "Are you a witch? Telltale signs..." as a recommended hub on something I was looking for. Maybe kids were reading and hoping to find a how-to article for Haloween.
(Of course this can also mean that Google has discovered your hub and will now send all of their searchers your way! Hopefully there will not be a crash.)
"Yesterday was Halloween, so it is kind of tough to gauge anything by traffic over the last 24-48 hours (unless you write about Halloween). "
Isn't that the truth! My one Halloween hub, normally getting 1 or 2 views per day, hit 200! (Could we arrange for Halloween every day? )
You're right, that seemed to be the main cause of the decline although traffic is still way down from even 2-3 months ago.
I get my highest traffic in Nov-Dec so it'll indeed be interesting to see what happens.
The niche sites were doing just fine before the new company started messing around with them. I'm sure Google's constantly changing algorithms played a role too, but I have a feeling our traffic would've been a lot better if the niche sites weren't tampered so much.
My traffic is definitely down. I'm editing some content and practicing patience - the HP team has always been marvelous in the past with handling google algorithm changes, so I'm watching and waiting to see what happens. Hopefully I'll see more red arrows soon!
Here we go again. According to Search Engine Roundtable, there may have been a Halloween algorithm update.
Yup, I posted an post here earlier that there were discussions of an update the day before yesterday on a FB group too.
I think it's reached that stage where updates happen twice a month, soon it would be every week. So, we can't really focus on these as individual updates, instead action needs to be taken to follow the best practices for delivering quality content that matches user intent and gives a top priority to user experience.
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