So I've been on Medium for a year and Hubpages for six years (my second time). I've come to the conclusion that they can benefit each other.
I have twice now earned quite a bit more on hubpages as a result of an article on Medium. A few days ago, I posted a link to one one of my hubpage articles, and I got nearly 400 views from that. It's still driving traffic to my hubpages.
Of course, now that I know that, I will use Medium to drive more traffic to my hubpges.
That said, it depends on how much traffic you get on Medium. For the my first year on Medium, I was earning between the same as on Hubpages and double the amount. A few days ago, I suddenly started earning three to four times what I earned at hubpages, plus I received a check for $500 as an unexpected benefit. Apparently Medium was giving away $500 bonuses to their top 1000 writers. I was one of them.
Yesterday, I made $125 on Medium, got a new sign up on Patreon (monthly donation), got a donation on Ko-fi, and someone paid for a year subscription to the Gold account.
Added to that, my affiliate marketing has gone up on both Hubpages and Medium.
I genuinely think that these two accounts work well in tandem. I also know, however, that you do have to understand how to find a good topic plus write a good article. It's a particulary good thing if your article is on a niche site, but I am also very impressed that the new discovery site is doing well. Traffic has definitely picked up for Hubpages articles that are not on niche sites.
I don't earn anything by writing this for you. I just wanted to report back.
They work well in tandem for me also but for a very different reason. On HugPages, I can write about my gardening passion. That topic would not work well on Medium. On Medium, I rant about politics which doesn't work well on HugPages. I am earning well on both sites by writing content that is suitable for each platform.
That's really interesting to know. I think that what you say is true. For me, the articles that have done well are the ones that are overlapping. It also never occurred to me until recently to refer to articles on hubpages to increase my traffic here.
This is well noted for understanding how to leverage the sites.
The post is good to hear and is amazing. I hope to open an account some day and try the writing rope on Medium. It should be fun.
Yeah, when someone writes something very inane or generalized like "good" or "thanks for sharing", it's suspicious.
It's also irritating that the spammers revive old threads too, I think the threads are picked more or less at random.
The subject matter of the thread is also somewhat ironic. Tessa ended up leaving Hubpages and says she's canceled her subscription to Medium after claiming that they were shadowbanning her. I think she's now at Substack.
Tessa, at Substack? I wish her good success. I've not see the post past 7 weeks till today. Happy Sunday guys. And I was a little worried about the spammer. What? It took me some time to dig or fact check the challenge. I can see an issue with 'Thanks for sharing' when the context of the read is obvious. When it couldn't yeild a SEO friendly result, and gone are the days at HubPages. But as regards to the clarity of information or question answered, 'Thank you' should not be elevated to spammering. Because of the simplicity of tone, that deduction is wrong. The information seems like a gift on a silver plate. Okay?
What is shadow banning? I thought Tessa left to write books, after she had earned 60K a year at Medium via Kofi and Patreon, her patrons followed her writing regardless of Medium promoting it.(sic - I don't know how you spell those).
I was wanting to write on Medium more but haven’t done it, but you are inspiring me to go back and get to work on it. Do you stick to one subject matter on Medium?Also is it better to get a subscription?
I was in two minds to renew my subscription. I've suddenly started earning really good money. This earned $53 yesterday. The day before $125. The day before that $34.
I am too much of an eclectic writer to stick to one topic. So I have different magazines - one for world issues (politics, economics), etc. One for writers in which I teach people about writing, one for human issues (everything from dating to self help).
Each of my magazines are sub-divided. For instance the one for writers is divided into fiction, poetry, and writing school.
This is really good because people can sign up to follow you (all your articles) or to follow one of your magazines. It also helps with SEO in that Google knows how to index what you write.
I'm glad I renews my subscription. You can earn money without paying for the subscription ($50 for the year). However, you won't be able to read other articles. Well, you can read three a month. I read substantially because there are some absolutely amazing writers on Medium. Also, you can read the Atlantic, New York Times, The Economist, Barack Obama, etc. all free of charge because they're all on Medium.
But that's not it. I comment - a lot. When I comment, I often write almost an entire article. That sends people to my stream to check who I am, and then they read some more of more articles (and, of course, I get paid for that), and they often add me to follow. So then I get even more reads from them.
Make no mistake, I had to work for this. At times, it was discouraging because there was so much rubbish - just as some people will always try to game the citizen. However, Ev Williams recently changed the goal posts and while some people have seen both their income and their reads drop, mine have shot up.
So I think it's better to get the subscription.
I'm truly glad I renewed it, because I'm pretty sure this would not be happening if I hadn't.
That makes sense that commenting increases your own readership, so I can see why getting the subscription is a good idea; and $50 a year isn't that much money. I didn't know you could do separate magazine, that is good to know and also awesome. I definitely want to write there, trying to decide if I have the time and energy. I feel like it could be well worth it now.
Why not. Who in they right mind would let such an opportunity bypass them if they had the bent, energy, time? It's definitely worth a try. And besides, $50 would seem to be such a small sum of money to a Westerner. But in a place like Negeria, it's equavalent of a months basic pay for Clerical Officer in the civil service
I paid the $50 when I was living in South Africa. My income was $200 per month. It took me three or four months to make it back again. It was a climb. My money went up every month. There was only one month where it dipped, and I didn't write that month.
You can, however, still earn without paying the subscription. It might just be more difficult to get followers/readers.
Tess, thanks for all the information, especially about the commenting. It's worth giving it a try. Wish you the best at both site- HubPages and Medium.
I have been publishing articles on HubPages from one and a half years, but I have not had a single payout. I have 48 featured articles as of now. Please guide me on how I could improve organic traffic to my blog, as there seems to be a defeciency there. I would very much appreciate any inputs to improve my work.
Whether one gets traffic on not depends on two things - the topic one is writing about and one's SEO skills.
Unless you're a world famous poet, nobody is going to be searching for your poetry. I have several articles about SEO, both here and on Medium. You need to learn those skills, and then you need to chose topics that people search for.
It's not what you want to tell people, but what people want to read.
Tess, where can I get your articles about SEO? I'm yet to see one on Hubpages.
Tess, much thanks. I've gone throughly the article and
Tess, much thanks. I've gone through your SEO article and bookmark it. The piece makes much sense to me than any other I've ever read. Is there not yet another of your stories on SEO or SERP? I'm still hungry. Much thanks again.
https://medium.com/born-to-write/how-to … e872e8c1be
You can google SEO. There aer many videos and articles written on it.
I will say one thing. I doubt that you writing will be accepted at any professional level. Your word order is out of kilter with the English language. I suspect that English is not your first langage, and you do need to be a good writer for this to work.
I publish blogs on my website and later share them as stories on Medium. Can we do the same on HubPages? Currently, I don't see any option to add a canonical link to blogs. Help me
I want to ask you one thing; you have your articles on different niche sites on HB. Can you tell me that which one is getting more traffic?
Tess, this is an excellent post. I think it is worth looking into. Thanks for the information.
I like Medium a lot. I have a few articles over there. Ultimately, I end up with the same problem as every other platform I've tried publishing on over the years, even back to the Squidoo days.
The question is always: Why publish an article over there and hope it pays off when I can publish it here on HubPages and know it is going to pay off?
The specific issue with Medium is how they compensate writers and how they select articles to show to members. If my articles gets thousands of views from search or social shares it doesn't really matter unless members read it.
I would love to contribute more to Medium if I can figure it out and I will probably keep trying. Maybe there is something I am missing.
Well, things have changed recently (as they always do on content sites).
1. They are not so fussy about writers asking for money anymore. So I have Kofi and Patreon set up, and I have people donating to me there.
2. I put affiliate links into those articles that are drawing a lot of traffic from google.. You can see in your analysis how much traffic Google is sending you, so those articles are the one's I put affiliate links into, and I earn from Amazon. One particular book is doing very well as a result. The four months I put the article behind a paywall, my books stopped selling, so it generally takes about 3 or 4 months to know whether your article is drawing google traffic. If it is, insert an affiliate link and remove the paywall.
3. Medium changed its distribution algorithm about a month ago. Virtually every single one of my articles are distributed now. If you're a half way good writer, you should be able to do it. They now focus on writers that people want to read and support them.
All of that sounds promising. Thanks for the update! I wasn't aware that they changed the distribution method. That alone makes me want give it another shot. I'd never quit on HubPages but having another iron in the fire is always a good thing.
Tess, the symbol ++++++++++ seems to be unique to you or is your trademark. What does it convey? I'm very curious. Thanks
Nor unique to me. Lots of people on youtube use it. It's like a 'like' on fb, or to indicate approval or agreement.
There is very little activity on hubpages forums these days. Lots of people aren't here.
Eric, dose registration with Medium differs from being a member? I want it to be clarified. Thanks.
Oh boy, Tess, you seem to be working your a**e off on Medium! I don't think I've ever done more than 3 or 4 articles per week on HP, even during my busy periods, but you're doing twice that!
I've always been able to write a lot. If it's only 800 or 1000 words, I can do 3 or 4 articles a day. On the other hand, if it's pretty serious stuff, and I have to do a lot of checking (and I do that on Medium), it can take me 5 hours to do a 1500 word article.
I've just finished one.
Well done. Now relax nr get some entertainment. Thanks.
I used to churn stuff out when I first started at HP. Then I realized it doesn't get you far on HP.
Blog-style posts are certainly much easier to produce, as research tends to be minimal or zero. They can also be more fun.
I'm still hoping for a HP recovery though. I still think passive income is the way forward for me.
Medium seems like true gig economy stuff (Uber driving etc.), one is on a treadmill, it seems, and if you get sick or want to take a long break, the money will dry up.
It's also easier for earnings to max out when they're dependent on productivity.
For me $X per month earned passively will always beat $X per month earned through productivity.
Anyway, we'll see... I've got 4 or 5 articles in the pipeline, intended for Medium. I'll probably start releasing them into the wild on Monday.
You are quite right. Only I gave up on hubpages for a number of reasons.
1. The constant bullying and abuse by right wingers, constantly falsely accusing me, and then been banned by whoever when I was not the one in the wrong.
2. I have no idea what Hubpages wants, and it's discouraging to write and to be ignored. It's possible that I am not liked and therefore my stuff is ignored, or it's possible that I simply don't understand what hubpages wants. The point is that writing for hubpages costs me a lot of time with very little reward. I now earn about $50 a month on average. On Medium, I earned $2115 this month, and $3800 last month. I have also earned the $500 prize for being one of the top 1000 writers on Medium for the past two months.
That said, I don't think it will happen again. I think Medium is promoting writers and giving everyone a turn. I did pick up a 1000 new followers in about 10 days, but my income has dropped substantally.
What I have done is take advantage of Medium's page ranking which is impressive. I have started doing affiliate markeitng, selling on Amazon, and when my pieces rank, I get a steady source of income from Amazon. To date, I'm mostly selling my books which is a double win. I get paid the royaty on my book plus a commission for selling the book.
I don't know if I'll ever write for Hubpages again. There is only so much abuse I will take from people who are, internationally, not accepted, but in America, seem to be okay. And Hubpages seems to have no problem with them.
Tessa., I don't like the way you're still nursing this old wound here on hubpages. Your going good on Medium with all the income your taking. Why the fret?
Really? And why does it matter to me what you like?
Tessa, okay. Take good care of your health. Stay safe.
Maybe your skill/personality set is just better suited to Medium, Tess. Those are good earnings.
That might be part of it. I'm not that good at the 'how to genre.'
HP advertises itself as a writing site, but you have to do a lot of keyword research and checking out online competition etc. to get noticed and earn. That element is a turn-off for many people. I don't know whether that's true in your case, but I suspect it's true in many cases. There's none of that stuff at Medium, as you're not writing to please the search engines.
Actually, many of my pieces on both Medium and Hubpages are at the top of Google. I earn the affiliate marketing from Google traffic - not from Medium traffic.
In the screenshot below of one piece, you can see how much google traffic I get.
I remove the articles from behind the paywall so that people who read them aren't blocked by the paywall. They can therefore buy articles, so I earn in four different ways from Medium - ebooks, affilite marketing, Ko-fi donations, and through people reading my stuff. And these last two months, I've won $500 each month for being one of the top 1000 writers on Medium.
I spent several years working as an SEO writer for various SEO companies, and every article I write is written to get to the top of the SERPS. I might not always get there, but I certainly have the skills to look for longtail keywords and figure what will work and what will not. I've been doing this for a very long time.
Okay, so I have signed up for Mediam and posted an article, and am now more perplexed than ever.
What is the "Pay wall"? Why would you put your articles behind it?
How do you choose "magazines" to submit to?
If you sign up for stripe and partner program, are you automatically setup to earn or do you need to check some box for it to ear (I never saw a box to check, but a medium tutorial told me to check the box)
Can you use any affiliate marketing links or just Amazon?
Put your articles behind the Paywall so you get paid
Don't worry about publications yet. They are sort of losing importance.
You have to sign up for Stripe and the MPP to earn. The 'box' probably refers to the Paywall.
You can use both kinds of links, but I don't. Wait until you've settled in.
I'm sure Tessa can help you better than I can.
What's your name on Medium? I'm just Bev-g
Evidently, if you were not in the partner program when you publish, you don't get the option of the metered payment check box, and there is no option to change that after publishing.
I hate a learning curve.
This shows you how to make a new or existing article eligible to earn:
https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articl … earn-money
I have a publication called Born to Write. Go look for it. It's going to tell you what you need to know.
Also, go to the Help section of Medium and read about formatting your work correctly. It's important because if it is not formatted, the algorithm will throw it out. Forget about publications. Your aim is to get distributed. Distributed means that they put you in mags emailed to people, put on the desktop when people open Medium. One of my articles earned over $2000 from being distributed.
When you have figured out your style, open your own publications. When you post, post to your own publications. Each publications would be topic specific, e.g. I have homes and gardens, politics, writing, and odd stuff (very odd stuff).
The pay wall is the fact that people cannot read your article unless they have a subscription to Medium. If you are not behind the paywall, you don't get paid.
I don't put all my articles behind the paywall because I use those articles that are ranking on Google for some affiliate marketing.
However, be very careful with affiliate marketing. Medium needs you to put in a statement that you will earn as a result. Rather use a variety of of ways to earn money. I use Ko-fi. I get about $80 a month from that.
If you want to know anything, ask me.
Thank you - I will check your writing section out. paywall = eligible for metered payments?
Yes. You don't have to check out my writing. I am not looking for reads. It's never been my style to promote myself in anyway.
It's my understanding that even if you don't pay teh $50 per annym subscription that you will be paid for reads anyway.
That said, I'm not sure if they distribute your work if you don't pay. I'm not sure what the latest ruling is. I happen to enjoy reading people on Medium - plus you get free articles from many of the major publications like the New York Times and the Atlantic. Works for me. And I can comment!
Tessa, is the publication Born To Rule on Medium or is it your private publication? Thanks.
One can open one's own publication on Medium. They're really a way of making folders so that you can sort your work into different topics. Prior to the new way of doing things, one used to try and get into someone else's publication if they had large numbers.
I found getting into the publications of other people less than useless. It never increased my readings at all. With the new format of focusing on writers, I have far more traffic.
Just remember that Medium doesn't do passive income - Hub pages does.
So if I put in a link to a Hub, I would not want that to be eligible for metered payments right? That would just be in the interest of driving traffic to my HP niche article?
Medium articles don't always seem to be indexed unfortunately. I tried this, creating articles on Medium as teasers with a backlink to niche sites. They still haven't been indexed after 6 months. Medium support said they would request a recrawl, but still no joy. I'm not sure whether Medium or Google is the problem. The articles were indexed by Bing and Yahoo.
I truly do not understand that. My stuff is indexed almost immediately. In fact, it peeves me that I make a comment on someone's article, and Google indexes it immediately. I know that because I receive a Google alert that it has been indexed.
You can see from the screenshot below that I'm on top of the SERPS for this article. And you can see that I am getting traffic from it.
That said, as Google has given me a knowledge panel, maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know. The ways of Google can be mysterious to us ordinary mortals.
Just curious. What's your name on Medium? And which are the articles?
I'm Eugene Brennan on Medium.
The string trimmer one isn't indexed.
The electrical fire safety article now seems to be indexed. I suppose it just takes time.
Added you. Ignore Casey Botticello, and all the other success marketers. if I remember correctly, some of my pieces did take 6 months to index, but others have been indexed almost immediately.
Thanks Tessa. Can you recommend any Facebook groups for sharing stories? It was his group I joined.
My personal opinion is that none of the fb groups do anything for your traffic. I was a member of five or six for a while. I might have got 2 reads on occasion, but that's it. I can't get excited about two reads.
I belong to this group, but only because Sam is friend of mine. We share data about things. She's a good person to know.
I belong to several FB groups, but not for traffic. They are a good source of information and changes on the Medium platform. For me, they take the place of the forums here since there are no forums on Medium.
That is quite true. I am friends with one of the owners of the FB groups, and we often exchange data.
One of the really interesting that that has come out to date is that one's traffic and followers start going up the moment one has had a viral piece or two.
For the people who have been there quite a long time, that traffic became permanent and didn't drop.
The newbies that have joined in the last year find that the traffic spikes and then falls back down again, but still substantially more than one had previously.
That hasn't been my experience at all. My traffic has climbed steadily since i started in June 2020.
I gained 1100 followers in the week one of my pieces went viral. Before that, I had steady growth, but nothing approaching 1100 new followers in a week.
Those extra 1100 followers I received in a week pushed up my monthly income immediately.
Also, when I spiked at over 40,000 reads in a few days, it never dropped down again to what it was before my piece took off. It dropped down, but not even close to where it was.
There is one factor, I am not certain about. When I returned to South Africa, my traffic everywhere on the web dropped to less than half of what it was in the US and the UK. The moment I returned to the EU, it went up again. I don't know if there is a correlation or not.
Is the facebook group at Medium connected with HubPages?
For now, put all your articles behind the Paywall. You can still link to your hubs.
When you become more familiar with how Medium works, and if your priority is to drive traffic to HP, then you can make the choice.
Just as a note of interest: profile names with a green circle around them are paying members.
It's also useful to know that non-members are permitted to read three Paywalled articles a month so it won't prevent people reading your articles. I have a couple that attract mostly Google traffic yet are paywalled.
Am I allowed to post the same literature in Hubpages and Medium or do they have to be different articles?
You can duplicate articles on Medium that were originally published on Hubpages, but not vice versa. You should add a canonical link to the Medium version, pointing back to the Hubpages URL, to tell search engines that the primary version was on Hubpages.
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