Hub score/ featured articles

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   Oscarlitesposted 4 years ago

   This last year I improved my hubs and had 112 featured of 130 articles:  Now suddenly they bust me down to only 30 featured hubs.   I feel this contributes to a websites decline. I made a comment on a survey that I don't get any payout for this site and gave my opinion, and now this.  geez.  who done it?

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      OldRosesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I took a quick look at your articles.  Quite a few of them are timely articles, i.e. they address current issues that may or may not continue to be relevant in the future.  Hubpages likes evergreen articles that will remain relevant for years.  I also recomment that you check out Medium.com.  I think that your topics would be a better fit there.

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      samanthacubbisonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Our team does not manually defeature articles unless they are in violation of our guidelines. As others have said on this thread, articles can be automatically defeatured if they do not receive enough traffic. We do not use reviews for anything other than the data.

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   DrMark1961posted 4 years ago

   You have been here 8 years and your articles have been viewed less than 10,000 times. They were obviously unfeatured for lack of traffic. (If you do not know what that means, you need to do reading at the learning center.) Allowing a lot of articles that do not get traffic contributes to a websites decline, not allowing them to stay even if they are never being read.
   If your articles are not getting traffic, either you are writing them and no one wants to read the subject you have chosen or they are so poorly constructed that no one finds their answers there. (HP has not moved your articles to network sites where they would get more traffic. Why is that?) If you are not being paid, it is on you, not someone else.
   It is time to accept your responsibility here.

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      Oscarlitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Dr. Mark;  I already had hit the 10,000 mark before the hubpage maven/raven.  They reset it somewhere along the line. I was on a good track before google dumped the hubpage access.

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   Marisa Writesposted 4 years ago

   You've been here a while but it looks as though the changes to HubPages have passed you by. 
   
   A few years ago, HubPages was penalised by Google and lost a huge amount of traffic.  Management realised that traffic to HubPages would never recover - so they created a network of new "niche sites" instead, which weren't tainted by the Google penalty.  They moved all the best articles from HubPages to the niche sites.
   
   It looks as though most of your articles were left behind on the old HubPages site, so it's not surprising if you're not getting traffic or earning money.  The old site is just a slush pile from which they cherry-pick articles for the niche sites.
   
   If you want to earn some income from them, then you need to revise them and try to get them moved to the niche sites.  Alternatively, you may wish to try another site such as Medium.com

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      Oscarlitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I believe your remarks are very relevant. May God bless America!

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   Oscarlitesposted 4 years ago

   Thanks.  Yes, I kinda get the picture,  I had at least 10 articles moved to the niche site, but they only allowed me access to " letterpile" which is another slush pile of articles that are mostly disregarded.  I just mainly was commenting to the fact that maybe they reacted to my giving them and low score, and retaliated with cutting 70 articles off of the featured status,  that's why I said "geez".

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      Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Each niche site covers a specific subject category. Your articles couldn't be moved anywhere else but Letterpile because they are poetry, inspirational or religious writing, and none of the other sites accept those.
      
      Letterpile was always bound to perform badly, because fiction, poetry and inspirational writing don't do well on the internet, unless they're on a very specialist site (e.g. romance fiction on a romance fiction site, poetry on a poetry site).  Letterpile is not nearly specific enough.
      
      For that reason, I'm actually surprised your articles stayed featured for as long as they did.

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         It would be much better for hubpages to re-model LetterPile or modify it. Many hubbers don't just create poetry. We were poets at heart.

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            Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            If it is not making a profit, why would they waste time and energy on remodelling it?

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               Oscarlitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               oh, you can bet hubpages is making a profit.

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                  theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Marisa means Letterpile specifically. It's unlikely to be a profitable property given the low traffic.

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         NateB11posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I feel like having a niche site like Letterpile here is a courtesy for writers who like to write fiction and poetry. Encouraging non-profitable writing is a good thing in itself but it probably is a good business move because retention of customers and employees is usually good practice. I have a couple pieces on that niche site just because I like to do something creative once in awhile and prefer Hubpages publishing tool.
         
         Of course, I can't help but wonder if it will forever be worth it for HP to maintain that particular niche site. Maybe it's negligible in terms of expense. I have no idea.

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      OldRosesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree.  HubPages does not retaliate against authors.  Your articles were unfeatured most likely because of lack of traffic.  It was nothing personal.

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   Erudite Scholarposted 4 years ago

   HP needs to re-evaluate many of the articles on the site. Niche sites are a great way to get noticed but the greatest percentage of articles get sent to LetterPile.

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      theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I have one on LetterPile, and, as it is about house cleaning, it probably shouldn't be there.

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      OldRosesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That's a pretty sweeping statement.  For the record, NONE of my articles have ever gotten "sent to LetterPile."

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         Oscarlitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Did you intentionally use the oxymoron in response to the mentioned of a cleaning hub subject?  Lol

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I can hardly understand that. Much thanks.

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               Oscarlitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I'm sure the other two got it, mieb.   just hang in with it and eventually it will come to ya. whatever its supposed to be.

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                  Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Okay, got it. Thanks.

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   Miebakagh57posted 4 years ago

   Why then why keep something that is not making profit? Does that makes sense? Why not remodel it to make profit? It makes sense, right?     The argument that of all the niche sites, that LetterPile alone cannot make profit for HP is not logical unless it was completely phase out.

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      Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Why not remodel it to make a profit? Because that would be impossible.  The subjects on LetterPile are not profitable subjects online.
      
      As Nate says, I think HubPages created LetterPile as a courtesy to writers, so there would be somewhere for our occasional fiction or poetry piece.  The idea being that if HubPages provided a home for all our writing, we wouldn't be tempted to look elsewhere and discover other sites to write on.
      
      The world has changed now and I do not think Maven will have the same attitude in the long term.

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Cut the "im" out of impossible and it becomes possible.        The idea that poems, religious writings, fictions, or non-fictions cannot make profit online seems absurd. It equally looks like cheap cheating.                         Let me ask a question: what are does Ads about religious topics on the internet? Why do Google display them on   HubPages? Does this my argument here holds water? They were old and and new poetry writers on HP whose traffic, I envy. I humbly read and study the root of each of their poems. I had good success. But I am not always into  writing poetry.

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   Moondot1822posted 4 years ago

   Bev G, I have my two articles on LetterPile. Wouldn't that benefit me?
   What advice would you give me? Which topics I can select for more traffic?

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      theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Are you getting traffic?
      
      I can't tell you what topics to write on. Only you can decide that. Why don't you visit all the network sites and see what kind of articles appeal to you?

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         Moondot1822posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks. Bev G, I will do something better than before.
         InshaAllah.

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      AliciaCposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, Moondot. You told me that you had a degree in botany. Botany might be a good topic for some of your articles.

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         Moondot1822posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Alicia, thanks for your attention. I have a lot to write. You are so kind, Alicia.

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   Marisa Writesposted 4 years ago

   It's very simple.  Your articles cannot make money from those ads unless readers can see them.  If someone Googles for religious writings, Google will provide a list of religious websites.  If someone Googles for poetry, Google will give a list of poetry sites.  LetterPile is too much of a mixture, so Google will not include it.
   
   That means the only readers you will get are other Hubbers, or friends you give the link to.  That is not nearly enough to make money from.

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, from your last last paragraph and last sentence, you're infering one can make a little something writing better quality poetry on HP.       Incidentally, off line platforms for poetry were now getting online. Some of us on hubpages can leverage on that and earn more. I hope you're understanding this?        More so, I've not give a link to any person. Nor do I share my poem links on facebook, twitter and so on as you reasoned. It is quite abrurd! Cool down.

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         Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         No, I am not saying you can make more money by writing better quality poetry on HP.  You cannot make money writing any kind of poetry on HP.
         
         You are right, offline platforms for poetry are now online, and because of that, LetterPile does not stand a chance - specialist poetry platforms will always get more traffic. 
         
         I have no idea whether you share your poetry with friends or not. But it is the only way to get traffic to your Letterpile poetry so you migth wish to consider it.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I say "Cool down" like an old soja commander commanding. It is an order!

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               theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               I say, it's best to say nothing at all. Marisa is offering advice. Don't shun it.

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                  Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Bev, yes. But her tone, her advice at times is of tangent. So better she cooooooooool down.

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                     Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     I have been writing online since 2004 and I speak from experience.

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            NateB11posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Many years ago, long before the Internet, I looked into making money writing poetry and found out poetry notoriously does not make money. This is why poetry publications are so expensive because they don't sell enough of them. The only poetry that's ever made significant money are poems that were published when people would want to buy them. Allen Ginsberg's "Howl" is an example. The mood of the country in the 60s made his poem particularly popular.
            
            In other words, poetry will not make money in any format.

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   Oscarlitesposted 4 years ago

   hehe.. some of us are as edgar allen poe and samuel clemens. Our poetry will survive us and thrill the future generations..

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I agreed with you. One of my favorite English poems is: "Old Roger is dead."

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      Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      You may very well be, for all I know.  However even Samuel Clemens would not become famous on HubPages or LetterPile.  Seek out a specialist poetry website and you will gain many more fans for your brilliant poetry. 
      
      It's true there aren't any poetry websites which pay for articles, but how much money is your poetry making here?

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         DrMark1961posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Excellent point, but I doubt even a specialist poetry website is going to help. The world has moved on and left poetry, as it well might move on and leave those articles we write here--even now it seems that most people prefer to get their information from Youtube videos.
         Did you notice that those poets are from the 19th century, before the dawn of radio and TV? Someone mentioned Alec Ginsburg, but then again he was famous before the home PC.

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            Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            You might be surprised how many people still like poetry.  They are not prepared to pay for it, so you need to be very good, or very lucky, to find a site that will pay for your poems.   However, there are still specialist poetry sites that get good traffic so at least your poems get readers - which doesn't happen much on LetterPile.
            
            At one time, some Hubbers got together and created their own poetry site for that very reason.

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               DrMark1961posted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I have never seen a group of adults sit around in the evenings to read poetry. A football game? Sure? Game of Thrones? Sure. But how often do you hear "Come on over on Saturday night so we can read poetry."
               What do you think happened to that site on poetry? How does it rank?

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    theraggededgeposted 4 years ago

    Probably the best way to earn with poetry is to enter competitions.

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    Miebakagh57posted 4 years ago

    Your knowledge, experience, and advice are here for every one to see.          None is bad mouteing them. But some how you get overboaord and get entangled. Don't you realized that? That is why I keep sayying  Cooooooooooool down.

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       Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       You are reading too much into my words. I am telling you facts, that is all.  I am very cool

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       theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Miebakagh,  please stop. Marisa is always neutral in tone and writes facts, not feelings. You are misconstruing her words.
       
       She is Australian and I am British. We don't insert sweet words and platitudes into advice because it's not how it's done in our culture. Clear facts is all.
       
       Read what she wrote without overlaying your perception.
       
       Take your own recommendation and cool down. Okay?

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          Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you raggededge

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    Oscarlitesposted 4 years ago

    My Hubpages are of wide and varied topics. Science/ Political, religious viewpoints,  personal family history, American life, tourism and history; but not the least, poetry and song lyrics.

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       Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

       That they say is the spices of life. And is a stable passive income method. Congratulations!

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       Marisa Writesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Like I said, that's probably why HubPages bothered to create LetterPile, because there are plenty of Hubbers like yourself, who like having all their writing in one place, and who don't mind if their readership is small.
       
       However, different people use HubPages for different reasons. Other writers have different priorities - some want to make money, so they won't waste their time writing on subjects they know are not profitable.   Quite a few of those writers will split their work between HubPages and Medium, because subjects which don't earn much income on HubPages can earn money on Medium, and vice versa.
       
       Some people aren't so worried about income, but want to lift their profile as a writer.  They will write on several different sites, choosing each site based on which one will attract the widest audience, or where there a chance to build a genuine following of readers. For instance, a poetry site for their poetry and a short story site for their fiction.

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