There are some irritating entities in the forums who seem to get into good threads trying to start pointless arguments with pointless questions or are just plain rude for no reason. I have seen reference to trolls and sock puppets - I think I have got troll but can someone explain it all for me.
Also what happens when someone gets banned, can they get back here etc etc.
How and where do you report abuse if you think it is happening?
You can write to firstname.lastname@example.org for help and clarification.
In addition, trolls sometimes post negative comments on Hub comments sections with a spam link atttached to their screen names in order to pull traffic to their own sites. Trolling takes a lot of forms, some for money I think! lol
I'm not sure whether they ban by email, IP address or what around here, but either one is easy to get around for someone who knows what they're doing. It's up to the community to alert the moderators when something inappropriate or fishy is going on.
trolls and sockpuppets are the scourge of the internet. obviously banning doesn't work. they are very clever and unfortunately, technically adept. they are just a fact of life in virtual worlds. you can ignore them, or report them. sometimes i deal with them, but you have to pick your battles because when it's all said and done, they're not worth the aggravation.
a troll is someone who simply signs up for no purpose than to irritate others, destroy their work ( if possible ) and to spread spam and possibly viruses..
Simply hit that report button if you see them on forums, if not, please e-mail the Hubpages team to report their misconduct.
Sounds like you could use some anti-troll cream!
Me I only got some snake oil for sale just now, a real effective cure all
I've seen many people chasing other members and making personal remarks to them,in my view that is also qualified for trolling.
I hope this helps, and I will only speak for me as I will not judge or call out others.
I just recently was called a forum Troll, meaning I would (TERM) Hijack threads. That I was continually posting messages that had nothing to do with the topic of that thread and irritated many people.
I have been banned, but I will tell you, deservingly so. I repeatedly went after another hubber with a personal attack, not cool. The details causing me to do this are irrelevant. Anyways I was banned for three days-meaning you can not post and yes, when it is lifted HP staff let you know and you may return. First ban 3 days, second 7 days, third, 30 days, 4th for ever. But I just saw one person get to come back and their ban was lifted. So it depends on the individual, their motives, if any and disruption to other hubbers trying to have a conversation.
I hope that helps some and Patty actually put it in much clearer,shorter way ha
btw welcome china man, glad your here
Hard to imagine anyone objecting to you dropping in - you are welcome to drop in on me, any thread - any time!
thanks for that, can you enlighten me - what is a sock puppet ? and are there any other scary things lurking behind the avatars and between the words hat I should be aware of?
Thanks for that Tex - I find it hard to believe that with your moderate and gentle opinions you would be even likely to get banned.
no, its for real, a whole clang do no appreciate my behavior here, so immediately, i cleaned up my act, changed my address and deodorant, got new plates on my car, ate a huge lunch and came here golfing, all the same. fuck me man where's the recess monitor, these are dangerous grounds and someone could fall off the monkey bar i tell ya.
Thanks hon, but there is a group that do oh well cest tu.
Now sock puppets, and hopefully someone will confirm or correct me on this, are also known as alter-ego's, other identities people create to write under a different name, maybe even for the privacy or writing a different style. I am not afraid to tell you I gave 3 alter ego-s all which are a very different part of me. I do enjoy the privacy and non-judgmental opinions they give me.
china I hope Im right about sock puppets being alter egos. someone will clarify either way
and china, you can drop in on me anytime too, thank you
an alter-ego can be used as a sock puppet, but only becomes one through how it is used.
An alter ego that exists solely to write or even to project another side of ones personality is still just an alter-ego
Its not a sock puppet until it is used to manipulate conversations with the help of another profile that you also control
and these sock puppets often have conversations with themselves, meaning one person is talking to himself, or arguing, flirting with himself! it's quite easy to spot as you will often see them following each other into threads.
trolls, just don't feed them, they hate being ignored.
their motivation? they have a really sad existence, most live under bridges...
flirting and following each other around - I thought that was Lyricsingray and Hokey !! But then half the faces on here seem to be flirting with Hokey and not all female I think !!!
No it was me most likely, I refuse to be serious and Hokey is a friend. Others may not know details behind my actions, but I know I will not be singled out any longer and asked them to be justified
Can we end this grave-digging ? I think we had enough of that already. Let's talk about in general instead of relating it with old issues.
are you saying, what I think you're saying? be serious?
well, ok, but how much is there to really say about those crazy little buggers, trolls et le sock puppettes?
Lot to say about them. Some people did mistake out of fun, some did that just out of their personality and those people learned here not to repeat this again(so far so good). But there are many out there still and we can still find out a lot of about those buggers. More we know less we know.
but didn't you just say a little while ago that you enjoy watching people harass each other? So you don't really want to eliminate their butts do ya?
It can be easy to make the first mistake when funny things pop to mind when answering or somebody says something that just invites a humorous response - problem is you don't always know whether you are among friends or what. You can't see if an avatar has a teenie weeny - or super-fragile ego, or is a kid even ??
that only makes it more interesting! - challenging sometimes, but interesting. I regret that many do not know how, or are afraid to make a direct response without being offensive in one way or another. But I really have a huge aversion to the Miss Manners approach to interaction in the threads - its complicated.
Yes i agree.
And My point is do you want to see each profile hitting the point of teeny-weeny ? Just keep on reading responses, it's easy to find that out who is running on line of sarcasm, offense, fun, argument, inquiry etc. If we start finding fault in every member posts we might end up being paranoid, there are just patterns we can see on forums that will help to find out those people.
ok. so. now. we find these people and then . . .
I have just come back from that nice 'crazy' thread - apparently we are mostly all paranoid at best !
sock puppet doesn't have to be alter egos or anonymous account. Many hubber here have anonymous name including me. Sock puppet motives/definition is quite cleared here in this thread by sunforged. Alter-egos is not got into trolling then they hardly qualify for sock puppets.
I consider myself quite the expert on being banned, usually a personal attack will get you banned. What is a personal attack? I have no clue, but rest assured the hubpages staff know!
Trolls like to spread dissent, disagree, insult, annoy and commit general malfeasance solely for the sake of the attention or causing waves.
This is usually a direct result of shortcomings in the sexual organ area or a failure to connect with humanity in the "real" world.
Trolls should be pitied but they are best ignored as they quickly self destruct when no notice is made of them.
thanks - I know how to recognise them now - they have teeny weenies
This is all true but not all there is to it. Most do it just to make fun of the replies they get. They do it for lulz, which is for laughs. They will purposely post soemthing to provoke a certain response and laught about it along with all their buddies.
I remember participating in some thread hijacks and it was lots of fun.
Some threads really deserve hijacking, when you have nothing better to spend 5 minutes on.
Sometimes, the subject and/or replies are so dumb, you can but have a good laugh about, as if they were started only for that purpose.
Hijacking is a little different I would guess - and pretty harmless as it does not attack anyone. Some of the funniest stuff I have read here had nothing to do with the thread posted.
thanks sunforged that's pretty clear now.
'Tis true - sometimes threads are prime for hijacking, usually the really blatant spam or sockpuppet ones.
Some threads meander - you might get a few folks going at it hammer and tongs in the religion or politics sections. Eventually, things calm down and the thread calms down into a nice chat about random things. Of course, the next shift arrives and the gladiatorial battles recommence.
That's why I like the HP forums - they often have a nice 'ebb and flow.'
Yeah, but people shouldn't mistake 'opinionated ones' as trolls, as there is a big difference. I've wondered this before, as I occasionally have a fetish for contesting individuals for their true opinion on matters, but, at times, it gets mistaken for being "trollish" of some sorts and if that was an actual word, I could understand this feverish fear of trolls. LOL!
some of us just have a lot of extra time! and I say this with love!
Not really - you are clearly doing what you do and that is ok because you have the right to say what you like. stretching an argument to breaking point requires the opposition to stay and willingly argue with you. And just because I am being nice to you doesn;t mean I think your girlfriend in your pic isn't still ugly as **ck !
Ugly? You wanna bet? She is just shy and doesn't like being exposed to freaks online. I'm still ugly, though. I admit that, ha-ha! Thanks, China Man! You're such a nice guy...
You are so right.
In my profile I state that I am blunt and honest but I'm never against people..just ideologies.
If someone attacks me, they can count on me being that blunt person. That doesn't make me anything else.
one definition of a sock puppet
An alternate character/profile/avatar used by one in order to create false support for an idea or statement.
Sock Puppets are frequently used by Marketers- One account will open a thread with a question.
Than another account usually brand new or lacking post history will arrive and post the answer with a link or suggestion they will make money from.
Occasionally the two accounts will talk back and forth in order to stay on top with the other fresh threads
here at hubpages, the term is often used to describe those who change their account in order to insult and or troll against others in the forum ..but that in fact is more accurately described as being "two-faced" or in schoolyard slang "a spineless pussy"
Now I understand. I had someone call me a sock puppet and called me someone like TK. I have one identity..me Deborah and have no other accounts. It is really irritating when someone says you are not who you really are and vice versa.
I am not the type to hide my identity so that I can say something. If I have something to say..I say it.
but are you a marketer? I don't think you are, but if you are, it would be nice to know - I know a couple other people in the forums are marketers - and I still don't understand how harassing people on the threads would help market anything, but I have a lot to learn!
No I'm not a marketer. This person came in and starting making fun of what I said. When I stood up for myself she said I was rude and that I was a sock puppet and my other self was someone named TK.
ahh - TKsensei - see the recent thread "Hello from Pam Grundy" it's just fascinating (not)
Man, Deborah you take that comment way too seriously.
I don't actually care much about the sockpoopers and the trollbuggers, or how to combat, etc. but I keep finding myself sucked into these constant threads about them! Is this, or is it not, a prime example of mind-control attempts - and don't say I'm just paranoid! even tho this is possible. From other of your posts online, Deb, I see that you are interested in this very subject, which could make me paranoid, but I won't allow that to happen. today. anymore.
There have been times when people followed me from thread to thread..am I not allowed to stand up for myself? Would you for yourself? YES
I was having a conversation here, than you start talking about how you are paranoid. How is someone suppose to react?
I guess I need to limit my time on the forums.
I would hate for us all to be alike. Variety makes life more interesting..
I didn't find anything on that thread about TK anyway..just others talking about him/her.
I remember that thread and that was probably my fault - the comment was aimed elsewhere. I can only assume that I messed up with the quote/reply thing - I still haven't got the hang of that.
Apologies to all concerned for any offence caused by incompetence.
I have never doubted that you are who you say you are
good point - how can it help anyone market anything to harass in a forum?
I guess the two distinct uses of "sock puppets" are being confused a bit.
The marketing example (very common in Yahoo Answers)
Why cant I get these coffee stains out of my teeth ?
OMG! I have to go to the Prom tomorrow and I was like up all night drinking coffee for my midterms and now I cant get the coffee brown off my teeth ..yuk..Help!
Did you try brushing your teeth?
try baking soda!
Try This tooth whitening system I used it for my wedding and my teeth were gleeming white (*Affiliate link or link to affiliate site*)
Sock Puppet/ Harrassment/attention method
god is dead
OP: how dare they say god is dead!
*crickets chirp*..no responses
OP's sock puppet:(with the bump)
like really what were they thinking? of course god isnt dead
Your so right
And your right to
i disagree, god is dead, obviously!
Your an idiot
i second that, your an idiot
.................and it continues
or hungry is all
Hey Mega and Denno, miss you two
I only spent one day away! but it is nice to be missed!
I miss you all, too. School and moving both are eating up all of my free time. Ack!
oh. that's good! cuz the other night I got real paranoid in the "Hello fromn Pam Grundy" thread and began to think that the forums were being manipulated by some kinda 4th Power Block!
Here is my theory:
- Taking out frustration
- Defending some belief/thoughts
- Have some grudge on person based on their thoughts
- Less rational thinking
this is what leads to trolling IMO, nothing to do with evil and all. Troll for one could be friend or messiah for another.
Hi Denno66 - miss you on the forums
As for the trolls - I agree that they are best ignored - without a
participating audience that get worked up and retaliate there is not much point or fun in trolling.
A good indicator that I've noticed thus far, is that the forum trolls often have an enormous amount of forum posts with barely any, if any, hubs produced with words. I've seen some, that only do 'picture posts' for hubs and spend the rest of their time preying on the weak. I haven't had any trouble with the so-called "trolls" yet, but maybe it is because they think I am, ha-ha! Fight fire with fire, as the ol' adage states.
Can I complain if I have never been hijacked or socked by a puppet or approached by a strange person with a teenie weeny ? I kinda feel left out now kinda - you know - - boring
Maybe I can go and get banned ???
welllll, I'm a little outa practice, but I could give it a try, with your permission ? ???
that is I could try to "sock" you or give you a good troll!
I'm wondering now (possibly thinking, but that's debateable) if the original forum question has been answered, will it then be permissable to greet each other and talk about >>>>>> NO? ok, then, well banning works not so good, because some people just never learn!
no, if I am a real sock puppet or troll I will either be doing it for the hell of it or I would be paid for some reason to invade and control the whole shebang in order to promote some other site etc etc etc - BORING! isn't it? On the other hand . . .
am I getting any knowledge or fun out of this forum hovering today?
I dunno, I didn't read the Memo this morning. Should we be?
You know I've been avoiding eating lamb since I've known you and that avatar ?
I missed you, but your absence gave me an opportunity to have a nice leg o'lamb last sunday.
I'll stop now that you're back, but I'll check your presence here regularly.
Between a thread and a threat the difference is extreme...
at the right extreme, to be precise.
Bye everybody gotta leave for another few days, unexpected, see you whenever though, cheers
Cheers! Kimberly - have a nice vacation, or whatever!
Bye - thanks for your input and the hijacking etc
We Trolls take Offence to being called Trolls!
I personally prefer Ogre,it's so much more descriptive and makes for a Great Visual...
I've set up a second ID here today. The reason is because I want to try some very sales-oriented hubs, but want to keep these separate from my regular input (small enough as that may be). When I signed up the second time, the email address I used initially for HP was rejected and I had to use another. So, my question is, does HP staff monitor multiple IDs, sockpuppets, etc? I did register my Adsense and Amazon account details, so presumably am trackable through those. If someone doesn't, what is the situation?
I doubt it is worth anyone's time to keep track of them to be honest.
Anyway if you live in Treorci you deserve as many ID and names as you like in my book. I lived 5 or 6 years in New Quay just below Aberystwyth and was close to major depression like everyone else there !!
It is very illuminating to google your different web identities -if they are at all linkable by similar info you've used when setting them up, you will see that anyone can find out what your different identities are. If it matters to you, then of course you have to jump through some more hoops to make yourself "invisible". I hate all this maneuvering to "market" or having anything to hide, so it is very easy to find out who I am for real online and offline. But I am interested in knowing what kind of minds actually do this stuff - sockpuppeting and trolling. It is a bit of a waste of time though.
It's not so much having things to hide. I just didn't want to dilute my main identity with loads of product reviews, etc.
You are only doing it for particular reasons - from this discussion sock puppets and trolls are doing it to deliberately bump up some marketting numbers - that is not what you are doing I think
You're not the type to have any reason to hide. You are always very nice. I think in Sufi's post it explains very well why people would want two IDs
What is "sock puppeting" as i want to hear it from 'mega1's mouth because I've never heard of this before. I've heard of the infamous troll crap, but not the other. I'm behind on new-gen jargon, so please enlighten me because I obviously need to be on the look-out for these "sock" people...
I didn't understand the reason to have separate ID for commercial hubs. makes any difference ?
I can sometimes - if, for example, I wrote some personal Hubs about creationism/politics/insert controversial topic of choice, I may put off potential clients who do not share my beliefs. A commercial account would create a separation.
I haven't done that, but it is certainly a possibility
A troll is a creature that lives under a bridge and jumps out when 3 goats try to cross over the bridge!
I have encountered a few trolls and while mostly I just ignore them they can sometimes be very irritating, But I think that must be a right of passage into the troll kingdom.
I have never been refered to as a troll that I am aware of, but it was stated by someone here that they thought I was a Demon.
So what? What do people actually troll for; ain't it all jovial play? Ha-ha! I think they better some people, in a way. Hell, I wished I had trolls frequent me any day and I've tried to the extent of going after known trolls and still had no luck! They won't mess with me since I want them to, ha-ha! In a way, I think they think I'm also one of their clan! Come on, trollies......I'm ready, you pathetic little bastards!
Thats a nice picture of you and your Mum!
Thanks; I know I'm handsome; but, I can't help that she is camera shy...I'll ask her one more time, for a doggy-style pic but I doubt if she'll comply! Mr. Arse...
It isn't jovial play though is it - it is irritating as hell to have some juvenile moron asking moronic questions in a place where we often take time to think and writing a considered answer to find in fact there is no-one listening - it is all about just getting a response.
That's exactly why I'm an 'imbecilic repellent'...even to the so-called experienced ones like yourself, ha!
Moronic imbecile & doltish bastard with a fetish for retardation! How's that? Do you like me now, fool?
You know I mean the trolls - You are all the above, but you are ours and we couldn't do without you.
For the first time, you actually lost me on this one, Huh???
Okay, go fu*k yourself? Ha-ha?!!! How's that for grammatical corrections, Mr. English Teacher? Teach me some fu*kin' Chinese in the name of profanity, while you're at it! Please?
I'm starting to like this China tough-stuff language. Thanks, dude. Yeah, I got the jest of your joke. These forums are good for info, turmoil, anger, and fun... Even though, they are not very productive. Ha-ha!
Sorry I popped out for 30 minutes to cook and eat dinner and photograph the stages and then write up the process for a recipe.
Where were we?
Chinese profanities. The reason they love ours so much is that they really don't have any being deeply cultured and with politeness at the centre of their traditional thinking. This means, unfortunately for us, that even the poorest field worker has better manners than most western people could even imagine, let alone aspire to.
A typical rude remark to someone is talking, what we would economically call, BS would be -
"fang ni de go pi" which literally translates -
"you are talking dog farts."
Because they do not have our cuss words, especially the foul variety my girlfriend loves to learn them. When they come out of the mouth of a pretty Chinese girl as a foreign language they lose most of their offensive nature. BUT having explained to her that in the UK we call thigh high boots FMB's - and one of her yoga positions I also call FMB - she loudly announced in the shoe shop where we were helping a rather naive christian young 'lady' - look there are some f**k me from behind boots !!
Who told you there weren't any profanities in Chinese?! There are many and quite colorful ones. No disrespect intended, but you may be living as something of the sheltered waiguoren there. Curses don't often directly translate between languages, but Chinese can cuss each other out with the best of them. (let's face it, everyone everywhere can)
Don't get me started on "politeness"...
Teaching here ? where ? I am thinking of moving on to another city next year and would like to avoid wherever you got your view of China, it is like nothing I have ever seen here.
Sab oh is actually a troll. It used to be here under the name TK Sensei but was banned. If you want to see an expert troll in action, just look through a few of its last posts.
I spent time in Shaanxi, Kunming, and Sichuan teaching at universities.
I don't think it's a matter of where you live but how you live that will expose you to various aspects of a place.
Don't get me wrong, my view of China is positive and affectionate. I am very fond of China and extremely fond of her people, but I have to be honest, don't I?
I am a Filipino American and when I get angry I swear in my native language not in English LOL, when I swear the American way its funny really!
yes - doesn't have the same venom in it as the native snake does it
yes it is LOL< it is really funny when I curse the American way, it means am not at all angry yet, but when I curse my native language, it means I am now really angry hehe
I am now having to stop her using profanities at any time as joke - we are going to my daughters wedding in June in the UK!
nice one, good for her....! Best wishes to your daughter, is this her first time to go there??
I also joke about profanities at times, but it is weird really, I dont take it seriously anyway..
even if some say bad words to me, in American way, I am not hurt because I cant see the real menaing of it maybe
I am English and my daughter is in UK - but it will be the first time for my partner to go there
my father used to swear in Spanish. you would think i would have picked up some good Spanish swear words but alas...
My man swears like a trooper as a matter of course! A lot of the Spanish do, I even hear swear words on TV all the time. They are mostly less offensive than the English equivalent.
The again, Mexican Spanish use different swear words to the Spanish.
eg - the Mexicans use hijo de perra (son of a bitch) and the Spanish use 'hija de puta' which is literaly daughter of a whore. You hear that expresson A LOT, but never hear 'hijo de perra' here.
Anyway, back to the subject of trolls and sock-puppets...
I am back
thats good for you Ms cosette, since the Spaniards colonized the Philippines for almost four centuries,
we still learn spanish in college..
I know also lots of Spanish profanities, , they're cute hehe
you know i thought his writing style looked familar.
i notice many other "new" people who read just like other familiar posters. *tsk* can't hide no matter how hard they try...
the only other language aside from English I can swear/curse in is Sign Language and this hasn't been very effective here so far :
by PhenomWriter 6 years ago
I am very interested to figure out the psychosis that creates this thing called sockpuppeting. Do you have any idea. In case you don't know that there are laws that prevent it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
by Richard Bivins 8 years ago
I suggest that HP prevent any registered user from posting a new topic to the forums if they have no hubs. They can comment but not start new threads.Most forums that I use have this restriction in place.
by Rob Welsh 6 years ago
How many good hubbers have left Hubpages over the last Year as a result of Trolls or Bullying?Let's take a head count because this problem is Not Being Resolved and many good people are being consistantly targeted.... 2 x that immediately come to mind are: Lita & Wordscribe.
by Lionrhod 3 years ago
There are a lot of us who haven't been feeling safe on the forums. They've felt stalked, harassed and browbeaten.Sadly, some folks go with the letter of the law, but not the spirit of it in their posts.For an excellent post on why we need Forum Moderators, check out what Makingamark says here...
by mythbuster 8 years ago
Okay, so this isn't intended to be a very serious topic/thread.Go ahead and express your opinion about forum trolls:(lookit all this space that needs to be filled)
by mandybeau4 8 years ago
Mandy that is horrible!! I don't know what is happening to HP ,
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