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   Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks ago

   Hi, what are you, the editorial team, doing? Why are the statistics not being updated? Is everybody on sabbatical?

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      It appears "everything" else is working. HP is withholding the overall page views and such to keep us from knowing how much we are truly or should be making.

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      Cheryl E Prestonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I'm getting views but being paid less. They could have at least let us know they were decreasing the CPK rate. I used to get 3 or 4 dollars daily, now I get under one dollar.

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      Cheryl E Prestonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      They also are not responding to emails. This is not a good sign.

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         Springboardposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         This is the part that is always concerning and confusing to me. Whenever a site doesn't communicate to its members about what's going on, people tend to fill in the blanks on their own, and it's usually very negative. Then what the site generally has to do is damage control. It makes no sense. Just tell us what the problem is and what is being done about it.

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   mikec1978posted 5 weeks ago

   It looks like it. Although whilst the 'views' stats are frozen the earnings ones do appear to be updating.

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      bravewarriorposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Earnings updating? What difference does it make when the earnings are less than a penny a day? That's not an earning, it's a spit in the wind that comes back to slap your face.

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         CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         I think this is very unusual. My Statistics haven't been updated in over two days. That shouldn't happen. And yes, the Earnings are now even less than they were before.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks ago

   Now, I am sure that the HP Team is enjoying a sabbatical vacation.

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   CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

   This is a very unusual situation. How long can it possibly take for them to update the statistics? It is just an update. It can't be that hard to do. It is good that we are discussing this. Maybe, they will realize that we writers need to see how our articles are performing.

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      bravewarriorposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      To paraphrase the great Clark Gable, "Frankly, my dear, they don't give a damn!"

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Ara, TAG/HP have stopped listening to us some time ago.

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   CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

   The other thing is that I'm considering transferring some of my articles to other websites. The compensation for writers on Hubpages has really declined. It is like you have to really promote the articles in order to get enough traffic to make a sizeable commission.

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   revmjmposted 5 weeks ago

   There is a notification on our page that says, "Includes data from 5 days ago and earlier." However, the earnings are updated every day.

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   Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks ago

   The earnings have been updated, but they are significantly lower compared to before the freeze.

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      theraggededgeposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yep, they can pay as little as they like - hubbers have no idea if they can't see their stats.

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         Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         Yes. Unfortunately.

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      CYong74posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I just checked mine, they aren't updated. Wouldn't be expecting any lovely surprises too.

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         Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         Yup. It's sadly true.

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            Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            I doubt the earning figures appearing there. What if they are updating a single hour's earnings after a 24-hour gap?

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               Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

               I wouldn't even try guessing. From what we know, it's worthless.

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               bravewarriorposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

               I have more money in my spare change bucket right now than I have in my HP account. I don't even know why I bother checking anymore.

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                  Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Hi, that's a lovely asset. I used to have that kind of hobby, keeping two large pouches of coins. But that game ended with the onset of COVID and the introduction of digital payments.
                  
                  Now, we make payments through UPI apps only—no physical money.

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   CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

   I'm still continuing to publish on Hubpages occasionally just because I enjoy the writing process. I like to think the editorial team will eventually update the statistics to show the current ones.

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Ara, we shall see, hopefully.

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      Matt Wellsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      We are working on it. Sorry for the delay.

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         bravewarriorposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         Matt, since you're here now, please give us an honest update regarding the fate of HP and its writers. Things have taken a dismal turn and we're all concerned.

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         Cheryl E Prestonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Why have our CPMs dropped, and why is HP not responding to messages?

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      Kulsum Mehmoodposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Same here. I am a senior citizen still I am continuing to publish on Hubpages because I like to write. Sincerly I do hope whatever problem the Hubpages team may be facing, it will be resolved speedily and we get to know how our posts are performing.

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   CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

   They have to update the numbers eventually. That's just common sense. They work for Hubpages as editorial staff.

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    Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks ago

    I want to keep going as long as HubPages doesn’t shut down on their own.
    
    I published my latest article on 16th July 2025.

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    Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks ago

    Today, the statistics page shows that "statistics include from seven days ago and before that period".
    
    I think they cannot tell which views are human and which are from AI. That could be the reason why they are not updating the figures.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

    It has never taken this long for theme to update the statistics page. Usually they will update them within 2 days at the latest. I published my latest article about three days ago.

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       Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       Ara, TAG/HP is not as you think. Look through the forums. That will help you understand the lack of professionalism.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

    The issue is on their end. They will have to resolve this.

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       CYong74posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       I doubt TAG feels the same way.

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    theraggededgeposted 5 weeks ago

    They don't have to fix it. They may never do so.
    
    How to say 'we're closing HubPages' without actually saying it.

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    PaulGoodman67posted 5 weeks ago

    As a matter of historical interest, I believe that the Titanic's clocks were all showing 11:40 p.m. when it went down.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

    "Sorry for the delay?" That' all you guys can say? You have got to do better than this, MUCH better. We are working on it is not good enough. It has been 9 days since any statistics updates. You guys have to do better than this. There's no excuse for this. Now please resolve the situation as soon as possible, thank you.

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       Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       I hear you! But save your breath. It's futile.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

    I know. It is challenging to do when you've been a longtime member. Some of these writers earn a pretty good side income from Hubpages (or at least they used to before all of these changes). I also think they should bring back the commenting feature on articles.

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       Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       I suggest you peruse the forums. All this has been talked about.

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       Springboardposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       I actually liked it when they shut comments down and focused more on promoting things organically. When we were a comment driven site I don't think anyone actually bothered to read the articles or were even interested in them. They wanted to offer a backlink for views, and I think that took away from the purpose some of us had to come here...
       
       To write articles and be read by a genuine audience who cared.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

    Whenever the Hubpages staff would ask me to rate them via a survey one of the things I always let them know in the other comments section for them to bring back the commenting feature. They probably discontinued this because members were getting into arguments. That's my best guess.

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       Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       Nope. It wasn't arguments. It's baffling that TAG/HP's reasoning is unclear.

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       Shesabutterflyposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       Samantha Cubbison said multiple times comments were not a feature that could be supported through the transfer to the Maven platform. If you check out most of the other Arena owned sites they do not have comments either.
       
       That was the reason Rojo was created and why Letterpile for example, had a new system added.
       
       I do not think they were able to find a viable replacement and gave up on it.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       You're wasting your time. HP hasn't listened to our grievances/requests for several years now. This site has bitten the virtual dust.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 5 weeks ago

    Oh I see. Did you ever find out what the reason was?

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       Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       No.

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       theraggededgeposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       Yes. They switched layouts from the original HP style (see Author View on your stats to see what that looked like) to the new TAG ad-ridden, disjointed, ugly version that you see now. Along the way, several of the original capsules, including the comments were trashed.
       
       They always said that comments would come back but they never did. "We're working on it", is the standard response.

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    mikec1978posted 5 weeks ago

    9 days since the last stats update makes me think they are not bothering with it. The 'we are working on it' does not convince me either.
    
    Whilst earnings are updating I'm not sure these are accurate either although I have never earned that much per day on here there is a drop off.
    
    I may see if I can start writing on other sites if there ane others which pay

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    A side effect of the stats freeze seems to be that new articles (I'm still writing them because, as I explained earlier, I was kicked in the head by a horse) are not being moved from the HubPages swill bucket to Discover. That means they can't earn the portions of a penny per week that I have become used to.
    
    If fixing the problem is too challenging for HubTAG, I have a neighbour whose 12-year-old could probably get the job done remotely in a few minutes.

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       Nageshwar Rana906posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

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          Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          When you say "spoke," do you mean "email"?

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             bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             He joined just ten days ago and has only written one (unfeatured) article, so I doubt he knows what's going on. Why would he contact HP with an issue that clearly doesn't concern or affect him?

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                Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Thanks, Shauna. My goodness. What a waste of time.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks ago

    Server problem? It must be on Hubpages' end. I'm starting to transfer some of my articles to my own websites because we don't know when this stats issue will be fixed and then the other thing is that unless writers get a ton of traffic to their articles, they usually only earn pennies through the Hubpages ads program. It's not worth the time anymore to keep publishing on Hubpages, what do you guys think?

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       Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       That's what most of us are doing, leaving.

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          Springboardposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          That's really the real issue with lack of communication, isn't it? I mean, if HP ISN'T shutting down, it doesn't matter if members feel like they are and stop writing or leave. That's the damage control I was talking about in an earlier comment. HP is really just shooting itself in the foot by not being transparent with members about what's going on and what's being done about it.
          
          It's frustrating to say the least.

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             PaulGoodman67posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

             TAG already announced that they were no longer interested in the HP model three months ago.
             
             The niches were closed down and the editorial staff dispensed with.
             
             The platform's done.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I stopped publishing here three years ago because things were going downhill then. Now the bottom of the barrel has been hit.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks ago

    Yes, this is a very different website compared to even 2015 or earlier. They used to allow duplicate content. That would have been really nice fir us writers, then we could get double the traffic if we posted them on other sites. But those days are gone. What are some of these writers doing nowadays? I'd guess perhaps they start their own websites? I think Hubpages should allow posting these Hubpages articles on other sites, it would be better for the writers.

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I've been here 16 years; HubPages hasn't permitted duplicate content since Google launched its panda updates years and years ago. By implementing such strategies HubPages managed to survive and eventually thrive... until the disastrous Maven/TAG buyout. It's been downhill since then.
       
       Duplicating articles doesn't double traffic, it tends to split it.

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          PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yeah, duplicating articles hasn't been allowed here since around 2011.
          
          Google Search punishes all duplicates. If there are multiple versions, it usually treats the oldest one as the original and deprives the rest of views.
          
          No additional traffic is gained.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks ago

    The more exposure that articles, get, the better it would be for us writers. That's why I think Hubpages should allow duplicate content.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks ago

    Hubpages used to be a much better website years ago.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks ago

    Yes, my earnings are definitely down too. It doesn't make a lot of sense to publish on Hubpages if you only get a few cents each day from the Ads Program. Not worth the effort. Does anyone else here feel this way?

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       PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Virtually everyone else feels the same and has been posting in the forums about it for at least the past two years.

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          theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Looking forward to my final payout in a couple of days

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             Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             Same here, Bev. My clients are keeping me too busy to move my articles. I have a glitch on my other site about image uploading. Angst! Hopefully, next week, I will be able to resolve the issue.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Most of us old-timers feel exactly that way.

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    vrdmposted 4 weeks ago

    Way to go Team Hubpages....  And this isn't the first time!

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    mikec1978posted 4 weeks ago

    12 days since the last stats update and no real word from Hubpages except 'we are working on it'.
    
    So come on hubpages actually give us a real responce and a timeframe to get this fixed. It is not just affecting the stats but also any new articles we may publish.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    It is beginning to dawn on me that they have no intention of fixing the frozen statistics. Why would they bother?
    
    They obviously have no interest in trying to retain writers who whine and complain a lot about being mistreated. Why not hand that creative stuff off to a machine that never bellyaches and doesn't ask to be paid?
    
    We've experienced frozen stats in the past that were repaired in a matter of hours. A dozen days of inactivity suggests a deliberate policy of neglect.

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Exactly. They have no need to do anything if the site is finished.

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          Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          YES.

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       Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       100%!

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       Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Rupert, that is what some of us have found out. Take a look at some of TAG's "writers." Fake identities as writers can write about anything and anyone, hoping no one is the wiser. However, the AI machine (or system) still needs to obtain content from real writers until AIs start regurgitating each other's content. It's only a matter of time before real, hardworking writers find another platform for honest and truthful content.

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          CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Finding another platform? That's what I'm doing in fact I've already got that.

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             bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             Where will you be writing? Does the site pay its' writers?

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          DrMark1961posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          I just clicked on an article with a well written title, meant to make the reader curious, and found that the information was incorrect. (It was not TAG.) At the bottom the "author" said that it was AI generated, but if you look into the NIH report on that subject it was totally wrong. If you check Googles AI report it spits out the same answer, so unfortunately I do not think that the AI machine any longer needs real writers. They are going to include this article in their database, which is going to agree with their answer, and then someone is going to come along and write another answer based on this false report. It is just going on ad nauseum.
          At this point I do not know that real writers are ever going to find a platform if they dare to disagree with AIs mistakes.

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    CELEBSFAN78posted 4 weeks ago

    I think this is the year where we can say that Hubpages has reached its lowest point.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Clearly. It will be defunct very soon. The writing is on the proverbial wall.

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          PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes, that’s true regardless of whether the stats are fixed and we get to see our crappy views updating again.
          
          I think the writing’s been on the wall since they let go of the editors. They gave up at that point. Since then it’s just been the endgame playing out.

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             Solarasposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             LOL!! I am appalled by my crappy views. I was thinking the crap I was seeing would look better once things were fixed up. Not hardly. 
             
             I will be sad when I am no longer able to come here and have a laugh about how poorly we were treated, with the only consolation being that they did this to themselves as well as us.  Greed and stupidity are a profound combination when it comes to running something into the ground, in one of the world's most prolonged suicides. Thanks Maven.

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    Upendra Patil98posted 4 weeks ago

    I will continue writing on hubpage, whether I want to earn or not, I do not need any money, I like writing and I will always support hubpage, love, hubpage will not close anything

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       To my fellow HPers: this person has been reported. He has no bio, no articles, and is a total fake.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    No doubt they are working on it, so the ban should come through in about six months.

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    PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks ago

    I don't see the stats being frozen as being at all important. I think the issue gets attention because it's very visible and an easy problem to understand.
    
    That's why people who never post normally suddenly appear in the forums.
    
    The big issues are really:
    
    The end of the topic sites and everything going to TAG or Discover.
    
    No more editing and the human filtering of articles effectively ending.
    
    TAG using hubber articles to create their own versions and promoting their own content at the expense of hubbers'.
    
    The rise of AI and the radical changes in online search.
    
    I don't think there's much prospect of change, just saying that within the wider context, the frozen stats really don't matter.

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       They really don't.

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          CELEBSFAN78posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          Also, Hubpages doesn't allow that much creative freedom it is kind restrictive.

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    Cheryl E Prestonposted 3 weeks ago

    How do you know there is no editorial staff? I had nto heard that.

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       theraggededgeposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       Because no articles are being edited or snipped. I'm not sure whether new ones are being moved to Discover right now either.

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          Shesabutterflyposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          The last I heard an editor being involved in articles was on my thread 6 weeks ago. Which surprised me at the time, as I was under the impression editors were no longer employed for Discover.
          
          Nothing has been moved to Discover since July 25th if the homepage is accurate.
          
          Per an email I received from HubPages staff, "there is a delay for this right now, and it is taking longer than normal" for articles to move. In case anyone left still actually believes anything they might have to say.
          
          The email didn't really answer the question I asked them. Which was, why were we not informed new articles are no longer being monetized since they are no longer being moved to Discover.

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             Cheryl E Prestonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

             Wow thanks for the info.

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             Kenna McHughposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

             It's safe to say that some things are happening in the background. We will never know what they've done or are doing.

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       Kenna McHughposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       Word is getting around on the Internet. HP is no longer legit.

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          Gregory DeVictorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Interesting comment because I've been asked about HP over at Substack recently.

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             bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

             In what vein, Gregory?

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                Gregory DeVictorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                Well, someone expressed surprise recently that HP was still around. They thought HP had dissipated into thin air along with other writing platforms. I told them in detail about all of the nonsense that has gone on here for the past several years, and emphasized that each chapter at HP gets worse.
                
                Edit: I mentioned about the stats being frozen for two weeks and they were shocked.

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                   Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                   Some of us are getting the word out as a disciplinary tactic and to warn other writers to stay away.

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                      Gregory DeVictorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                      Kenna, have derogatory comments been made recently about HP on the Internet?

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                         Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                         Yes.

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                            Gregory DeVictorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                            Kenna, I don’t intend on hijacking your thread, but I thought you might want to hear this.
                            
                            Over at Substack, a poll is now being conducted regarding what is “wrong” and “right” about the site.
                            
                            Well, many responders, including me, have made it clear that one of Substack’s best features is that there are “NO ADS.”

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                               bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                               Amen!

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                                  Gregory DeVictorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                                  That poll made my weekend.

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                               Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                               That makes sense. It could also be how the ads are placed.

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    Kulsum Mehmoodposted 3 weeks ago

    But, it has been a very long time the statistics are frozen.

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    theraggededgeposted 3 weeks ago

    I'll take a bet that there will soon be a forum post stating that due to the impossibility of fixing the glitch and all the other unfixable things that the site will be closing. Or, at best, continuing as it is, broken and limping along, for a little longer.
    
    In the words of the immortal Frazer of Dad's Army, "We're doooomed".

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    This received at 3:43 a.m. August 6 from "The Team
    
    "We are currently aware of and are working on an issue with articles taking longer than usual to be moved to Discover. We are working on revolving it."
    
    Perhaps, the final sentence suggests they are expecting it to happen again.

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       bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Based on their last sentence, apparently the editors are nowhere to be found!

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       It reminds of spamming emails.

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    Venkatachari Mposted 2 weeks ago

    They may keep it going for some more weeks. By that time, we will become accustomed to it or quit HP.

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       CELEBSFAN78posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       It is now 3 weeks since the last statistics update. I think this may go on for a few more weeks at least. We just have to be patient.

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          vrdmposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          You'd think Hubpages might report on progress from time to time.....

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             Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

             No. They will not report.

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    Kulsum Mehmoodposted 2 weeks ago

    But they have a benefit of doubt. I personally feel we should wait for a while more.

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       I doubt it because they are spending all their time on Owlcation. They just revamped it to make it look like the original one.

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    Eileen Hughesposted 2 weeks ago

    I actually earned 3 cents yesterday and 2 today  whooppee!!!!!

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    In answer to my query about frozen stats on August 6 I received the following from "The Team" in the wee small hours of this morning, 8th,
    
    "Yes, everything should be up to date soon."
    
    Make of that whatever you will.

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       WriterJanisposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Keeping my fingers crossed.

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Oh boy! I am so excited!

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          Gregory DeVictorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          A very wise person once taught me not to believe everything that I read or hear.

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             Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

             Yeah! Seeing is believing.

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       bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Apparently, "soon" hasn't happened yet.

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          Patty Inglish, MSposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          HP "soon" is not soon enough (never?). However, my red and blue arrows are changing and my overall average hubscore changed, but impression counts are still the same. Not professional.

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Rupert, you might want to peruse Owlcation because TAG mined one of your articles.

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          viryaboposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          How do we check if our articles have been mined/stolen?
          I have a bunch of stuff on Owlcation.

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             Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

             You can peruse Owlcation. The steal titles, URLs, spin content.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    I understand the negativity but the response suggests there is activity. Unless they are flat-out, stone-cold, bald-face lying.

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Could be.

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    PaulGoodman67posted 2 weeks ago

    When HP is finally done and gone, I predict that nobody will be saying: Well at least they fixed the statistics updater thing!

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    Hi Kenna
    
    I did a by-no-means exhaustive search of Owlcation and came up with the article "5 Philosophical Dilemmas Without Clear Answers." Is that the one you mean?
    
    I wrote an article with that title in 2017 and, while Owlcation has the same title, it's not my body text. As far as I know, having the same title is not a copyright issue, and anyway, don't the TOS mean TAGpages can do this with impunity?

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       As long as you keep the article on HP, they can use it.

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       theraggededgeposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       And I bet it has the same url as yours did on Owlcation. That's currency to them - you do the work; they reap the benefits.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    "You do the work; they reap the benefits." But, that's the very definition of the gonzo capitalist system under which we all operate. I don't like it, but I am powerless to change it.
    
    In the absence of any viable alternatives to HubTAG, I am following the example of Captain Edward Smith of the Titanic by going down with the ship. That's my choice and I accept that others will disagree with it and take different approaches.

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Rupert, it's your choice whether you let TAG use your hard work to make money while you make none. That isn't capitalism but self-depreciation.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    We've veered far from the original purpose of this thread and to have dropped into the realm of personal insults.
    
    "Self-depreciating " is not a thing; perhaps, you mean self-deprecating, which I take to be pejorative. So, I'll thank you, Kenna, to keep speculative assessments of my character to yourself.
    
    Let's get back to the discussion of frozen statistics, although I fancy we've pretty much exhausted the topic until, and if, the stats are thawed out.

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       bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       They haven't thawed yet, Rupert!

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       Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Right on, Rupert! It's at least something to do while we're frozen. We can play with the more humorous spelling. Or, it's no longer funny, and life on HubPages is too serious.

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       PaulGoodman67posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       While I suspect things are even worse than Rupert realizes, given his dislike and spurning of the technical stuff, he can go down with the ship if he chooses. I am aware of the shenanigans but am still here. I’ve yet to find a good alternative.
       
       One thing that could be happening with the stats is that there’s some sort of major overhaul taking place and this is messing with stats. If that’s the case, it doesn’t bode well, given all developments have almost universally been negative in recent times.

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          PaulGoodman67posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          That said, I agree with Rachelle that the site is simply done.

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             Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

             Shenanigans is too kind of a word.

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                PaulGoodman67posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                I pick my words. You pick yours. That's how writing works.

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                   Kenna McHughposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                   Words belong to everyone!

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    Rachelle Williamsposted 2 weeks ago

    Why are you all arguing about HP, it's clearly done - nothing else really matters.

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