Hubpages has better ranking than squidoo!

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   jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years ago

   I also have squidoo account, but I will prefer to write more articles on hubpages. Not only that I found it more convenient but its also has high ranking than squidoo (based on alexa.com). And it does matter to me.
   
   How about you? What do you think is the best, hubpages or squidoo?

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      forlanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      yes i see that hubpages is better than squidoo. hubpages is the better thab squidoo because it give me more money

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         jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Good for you that you already start earning to hubpages.

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      prettydarkhorseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      HubPages for me. I never tried Squidoo, but I checked their pages and the pages are not as neat as HP.

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         SubmissionWorkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         May be you have not seen many squidoo lenses.
         
         Squidoo gives you more freedom when it comes to designing. But yes hub pages is basically for the quality content hence they rank well in search engine as well.

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      Angela Harrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I have always like Hubpages better than Squidoo. Ever since I discovered Hubpages, I have abandoned Squidoo. I just never was very successful with Squidoo.

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         jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Me too Angela. I have also abandoned squidoo already.

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      kcreeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hubpages is better.  I should write more lens for Squidoo but I haven't bothered so far.  I also read that we get more traffic at Hubpages.

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      PhoenixPoetposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Providing what you say is true, I would be willing to bet that this could be because HP doesn't care about whether or not their members have even mastered the English language. 
      My boss has a Squidoo account.  She has more trouble getting her writing cleared on there than she does here.  I've not noticed as many ESL people there as I do here.
      I DO confess that I have some of the same thoughts as some of you do about the look of Squidoo and I honestly believe that it's easier (especially for an uneducated person) to use HP than Squidoo.

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   Cagsilposted 8 years ago

   HubPages is better from what I heard from the veterans of HubPages.

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      jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I feel its really better.

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   thisisoliposted 8 years ago

   Hubpages is much better in nearly every respect in my opinion.
   
   The only benefit of Squidoo I have personally found is that it has a few more interesting widgets, but then again widget placement options are terrible!

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      jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I guess you're right! Thanks for your wonderful opinion thisisoli.

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   jGauntposted 8 years ago

   My biggest problem with Squidoo is that it takes me longer to put a lense together than it takes to do a hub.

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      waynetposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's just what I was going to say, Squidoo lenses are clunky to create and time consuming, although I started off with Squidoo first, Hubpages is much smoother to create new hubpages and has positioned itself as a premier writing site with community!
      
      I haven't made a squidoo lens in around 6 months, but here I knock one out often!

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      jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I found the same problem too. It really takes longer to do some lenses. And another thing that I know was that, lenses no longer rank high in google due to some conflicts that only google and squidoo knows.

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         bgamallposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Squidoo was good as a start, but I think they work on seeing how slow their site can load. It drove me nuts! And besides, you have hubs that could be earning but you won't know because it isn't your adsense account.

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            darksideposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            HubPages is quicker to load, in viewing even a long hub, or in edit mode. Selecting, adding and moving capsules around is a quicker.
            
            I think the process of building a lens has been dumbed down so much that it's made it more painful for an experienced user to use.

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            jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, in squidoo, we don't own our adsense account. And I don't like also the idea that they still have to dish out all the earnings of the site. They get the 50% and the rest to writers.

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         Habbyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I've noticed this, too.  I often see hubs ranking in Google, but infrequently see a Squidoo lens rank.
         
         As for my own two cents, I was familiar with both before I committed to Hubpages, and with limited time to write and post, that means I've definitely cast my vote for Hubpages.

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   elayne001posted 8 years ago

   Me too - glad I started with Hubpages first - when I went to Squidoo,I found out it took longer to put a lens together than a hub so I only have a few there. You rock Hubpages!!!

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   Appletreedealsposted 8 years ago

   could be factors other than just the site authority, (like the quality of content), but I see hubpages in the serps a lot more than squidoo.
   
   my opinion - the hub pages hub layout looks much more professional than squidoo, (borderline cutesy, but I also use squidoo).
   
   plus the ease of use factor in hubpages favor
   
   GA

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      Originposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I 100% agree, and I also use Squidoo for some things. I like the professional clean feeling of Hubpages more, it's easier to navigate... and at the same time it's easier for visitors to navigate as well.

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   Ajitanposted 8 years ago

   I think it's because of the content quality and the fact that hubpages pays better than squidoo.

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   AEvansposted 8 years ago

   Hubpages! the community is more friendly and much more personable.

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   brettbposted 8 years ago

   Squidoo is horrible! It took me ages to make a beautiful lens and it's only had 3 visitors.
   
   In its favour, the fact that it has its own Amazon and eBay accounts is attractive. The revenue sharing model is also attractive for those of us who can write very high traffic pages.

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      jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Its very hard to rank high in search engines with your lenses. So I prefer to stick with hubpages.

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    Mutiny92posted 8 years ago

    I think they each have their places.  I make more money from Squidoo for the lenses I have in the top 2,000.  It's a bit over $20 per month per lens.  I don't make that much per hub on HubPages per month.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I congratulate you Mutiny92! I know how hard it can possibly be to rank high in squidoo and earn those amount per month.

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          Originposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It's easier if your friends with a lot of Squid Angels who boost up your score more than the average person. There's almost like a cartel over there from what I understand, a group of empowered people that constantly rank each others up and into the 2,000 mark. I had some in the top 2,000, but it's through shear will and mental powers, and I suppose 8,000+ word articles (original content) that got me there.
          
          Also, to the previous poster.. yes you can make a bunch of junk lenses over there earn still, but that's the problem with that site.. a lot of junk on there that isn't filtered, yet still ranks well. That may be a contributing factor as to why Squidoo doesn't rank as well as Hubpages. I know that some of my Squidoo lenses do rank rather well for key terms, but it seems much easier with Hubpages, to be honest.

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             jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

             That's  a very nice insight as well Origin. Seems that you are an expert here.

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                Christeneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I wouldn't call Origin an expert.
                
                "There's almost like a cartel over there from what I understand, a group of empowered people that constantly rank each others up and into the 2,000 mark."
                
                This is not true.
                
                I am a SquidAngel and I do not have a single lensmaster, or group of lensmasters that I give blessings to. If I did my wings would be taken away.
                
                And, I'd have a lot more top tier lenses if people were focusing on mine.

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    Whitney05posted 8 years ago

    I prefer HubPages. It's more profitable, looks better, is easier to use, and has less junk.
    
    The more simple the better. Otherwise, it's junky and people don't like it. They do keep adding tons of junk, but oh well... Hopefully, it'll never get like Squidoo

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Can you tell me more about 'junky' whitney? I can't just identify what is the so called "junky" in squidoo.

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          Originposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          This..
          
          [Main Content Below]
          [Wiki Module]
          [Twitter Module]
          [Link Module]
          
          Etc. You can just basically make an entire page from just modules, you can whip one out in minutes.

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          Whitney05posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Very few lenses have content to them. Like Origin stated, most lenses are just a compilation of various modules that have no content in them. I quite using Squidoo when I realized all my hard work was for nothing; I had like one or two good months, and nothing else.
          
          Squidoo attracts people to just randomize capsules without any real content.
          
          I've don't research for hubs and come across many lenses. I always check them out, but never find any information in them. Most of the lenses I've come across while doing research are for ebooks, so the content is just about an ebook  that I won't buy. This is stuff that is typically found in a 1 or 2 page website for that ebook, but not copied/pasted or rewrote on a lense for Squidoo.
          
          They continue to add new capsules and "junk" that just minimizes the quality of the website because, the more junky options and capsules, the less original content will actually be used.
          
          Also agreed with Origin, it's just easier with hubpages, and as long as they don't add junky add-ons and features, I'm really happy here. I'd rather them focus on improving what is already here instead of adding on tons of crap like squidoo has done.
          
          (Side note... The Kontera contextual links and the large popup ads are junk and crap in my opinion, and I definitely wish they weren't implemented because to me they lower the quality of the page and overall website... Sorry soap box.)

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             jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

             Its no surprise for me anymore why you stick to hubpages and had published about 800 articles. You're a good writer Whitney! I mean, you're an expert and an intelligent writer.

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    mythbusterposted 8 years ago

    I have a squidoo account as well but my earnings add up at squidoo, ever-so-slowly...while hubpages is the main reason why I earn at all and actually receive cheques!
    
    I've noticed that people can put together a basically "no-effort" lens over at squidoo but the quality is low and isn't "member content" at all...and I am glad that Hub Pages stays away from allowing these sort of options at HP.
    
    The 'cheater lens' as I like to call it, comes from the many options squidoo has for putting together lens "sections" or modules... Squidoo dashboard gadgets allow a selection of "content" from Wikipedia, blog feeds, etc and a LOT of junk lenses are built just with a hodgepodge of the "no-effort" features - which is aggravating because no user content at all needs to be on some lenses, save for a user created title and subheadings.
    
    I use "the wikipedia excerpt" on my lenses for additional content. Many users are using "the wikipedia excerpt" for their main content and text. The latter tactic can't be very profitable and makes for a very plain, unoriginal "lens."

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I never knew about it until you say it. So you're saying that there are a lot of lenses that are only being copied but still earns?

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          mythbusterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Yes and no...
          
          I lot of people, I think, get onto Squidoo and make a lot of "easily made" lenses via the Squidoo software. Personally, I cannot see where people who do this are making any money. Squidoo has a bunch of areas on site which deal with "Making money" and "Making good lenses" and one thing said in such places by the "Squidoo Team" is NOT TO DO the stuff that I just mentioned...because mass numbers of poorly made lenses don't fool the affiliate companies used by Squidoo (etsy, ebay, amazon, allposters, many more than available on hubpages) nor do they rank well on-site or online with google, etc.
          
          Anyway - My lenses are original content with a wikipedia module added, just in case people wish to check on my "authority" for the topics I write on...but I spend longer creating a "lens" over there, trying to troubleshoot how to make sure my lens doesn't look like "automatic junk content" than I do creating a "hubpage here" which starts off LOOKING like (being) my own content, anyway. And I've only, in 3yrs, reached payout once at Squidoo.
          
          I saw Origin's "module list" - yep, that's what I'm talking about, too...you can make an "automatic garbage lens" and reach "publishing stage" within 2 minutes on Squidoo - and a LOT of people have done that...you can tell by browsing the site for an hour or so. In an hour, you'll probably hit upon two FANTASTIC lenses you'll want to bookmark - and the rest, "ick - why is this allowed to be called a published lens?"
          
          Yes to the "copied" part - No to the earning part...

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             jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

             Some say that hubpages is just a copy to squidoo, but they are better copy and had surpassed them.

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                thisisoliposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Nah I don't think so, Hubpages came about from a structured plan, squidoo started off small and just grew.  You might as well say Squidoo copied itself from a myriad of different article directories which were around at the time.

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    andromidaposted 8 years ago

    Though, Squidoo has better PR than hubpages, yet I don't find it user friendly- Google loves hubpages.

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       thisisoliposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       The Squidoo main page might have a nice PR, but I have Hubs reach PR4, with squidoo you are lucky if a page reaches PR1.

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          andromidaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          agree

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          AKdudeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I have several PR2 lenses. When I'm doing research in Google its not all that uncommon to find PR3 and PR4 lenses. Good lenses will get decent PR and be found in Google.

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    BritFunposted 8 years ago

    I have an account with Squidoo as well as HubPages - I like them both, but I slightly prefer HubPages overall.
    
    It's a very slick editing interface - simple, yet powerful, and it produces good results.
    
    Hubpages is more work than Squidoo, to keep your activity levels and Hubber score up.
    
    Hubpages seem to have stronger anti-spam controls than Squidoo - which probably means that Google will rank HubPages better than Squidoo - making it worth the extra effort.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Wow! Meaning that if a site has stronger anti-spam controls, it will rank high in search engines. So, we have better chances of getting more traffic. Excellent info BritFun!

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       darksideposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       There is no need to keep 'activity levels' up in order to earn money.
       
       Publishing quality original content and ensuing traffic is enough to maintain a respectable HubberScore level.
       
       My wife has a hub account, zero forum activity and a HubberScore in the 90s.

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          jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Please continue to share your ideas here in hubpages darkside. You are already an expert here and I am one your fan.

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    Christeneposted 8 years ago

    You are breaking my heart people.
    
    I absolutely love Squidoo. I like Hub Pages too though. They are different eggs.
    
    I've earned over $9,500 on Squidoo with almost $1,300.00 going straight to charity.
    
    Here I can't really get paid. I have a LONG wait before I'll see the minimum payment from Adsense or Amazon, and eBay won't accept me.
    
    I'm also a very visual person and prefer the look of well made lenses to well made hubs.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Here's what I want to know Christine. Does squidoo set up everything that we don't need to apply for adsense and ebay?

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          Christeneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, you do not need an Adsense, Amazon or eBay account to get paid and you can set your minimum payment to $1.

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             jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

             Thanks christene! The truth is that, I don't have yet my adsense account. Its so hard to get accepted. I am inspired now to continue using my squidoo account. Thanks again christene...

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry Christene! I really never know more about squidoo that is why I am posting this forum.

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       mythbusterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Well, I am heading right on over to your lenses over at Squidoo to have a look at your content and the way you set a lens up!
       
       In this thread, I just made comments on how easy it is to set up "automatic" junk lenses...which is probably what a lot of people are doing, expecting to make fast bucks...and which ultimately leads to disappointment.
       
       I'm still learning how to make better lenses (and better hub articles here on HP) and hope to match the kind of earnings at Squidoo by the end of this year that HP helps me reach.
       
       I have understood for a long time that different sorts of things/articles work for each platform/site but am still somewhere in a gray area in this learning curve, I guess.

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    pendoraposted 8 years ago

    I'm very new here, but have had Squidoo pages for a while now.  Very low earnings, even with the networking and promo I've done.
    And in my opinion, they have a very clumsy dashboard and platform there. I don't like working on it.
    
    I'm hoping my hub experience will be a good one.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Almost every squidoo users who left have almost the same comment as you.

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    Louidam1posted 8 years ago

    Hubpages is so simple to use but with Squidoo it is so confusing to create lenses so I quit that site.

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    billyaustindillonposted 8 years ago

    I definitely enjoy Hub Pages - easy to use and a great community of diversity and interest. I joined Squidoo and did one hub and really didn't enjoy the process I also like the fact of having my own adsense and all that, I am pleasantly surprised that hubpages has a better ranking.

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    sonu417posted 8 years ago

    yes..hubpages does..

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    Stacie Lposted 8 years ago

    I just signed up with squidoo and it looks so complicated.
    i made a profile and lens the first day and when I signed back on,.it was all gone!
    ugh!
    

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       What happened?

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    Whitney05posted 8 years ago

    With only a few hubs, it's hard to really earn with Hubpages unless you really promote and market them. There are some people who do that, but I don't have the time. The more you write, the more you will earn.
    
    It took me about 6 months to reach my first payout, and 2 months after to reach my second. I now get Adsense payout of $900-$1000+ a month from HubPages alone, not to mention other sources. Amazon is about $150-$250 on regular months and well over $500 during the holidays.
    
    I've written similar hubs and lenses, and the hubs always rank higher in searches, get more traffic, and are more profitable overall... I ended up deleting similar lenses and just making more hubs with them; for me they do better over here not there.

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       Mishaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I still keep my lenses - diversification, ya know Yet as I said already, my Squidoo earnings are a fraction of HP earnings.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Wow whitney! You're now one of my idol here in hubpages. I'm glad you'd made it to have some kind of earnings. Sad to say that I haven't earned yet here. Anyway, I am still a beginner. Stay cool!

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    Silver Roseposted 8 years ago

    Hubpages and Squidoo are completely different animals and should be used for different purposes.
    
    If you write a lot of "how-to" articles and long informational articles, then Hubpages is best, as these types of articles do really well with Adsense, and on Hubpages your Adsense ID will show up 60% of the time, without you having to worry about being "in" with any social crowd as you do on Squidoo due to the way their central-pool money is dished out.
    
    On the other hand, if you want to make affiliate sales, then Squidoo is superior. They allow you to put your own affiliate links, banners, and ads on the lenses. So if you sell through Commission Junction, a Squidoo lens is a better bet, as they allow nine links out per lens, so you can lay out your lens with nine related items. And because they are your own affiliate links, you get to keep 100% of the cash.
    
    As for how well hubs or lenses rank in Google - depends on whether you have backlinked them. If you have, they rank, if you haven't, they don't.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       A very clear perception Rose! You really have the ability to see clearly and intuitively the nature of this complex  subject. I didn't know that squidoo would allow about nine affiliate links through one lens. Thanks for the knowledge shared Rose!

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    bojanglesk8posted 8 years ago

    Yay.

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    WriteAngledposted 8 years ago

    I tried setting up a lens on Squidoo a few days ago on the same topic as a hub I had just produced a day earlier. I rewrote the content completely and changed the title.
    
    It took me far, far longer to set up the lens. The interface is extremely clunky and the site is very slow.
    
    Up to today, I have 43 views for the hub and ZERO views for the lens.
    
    In addition, when I search Google, even when using search terms that match the lens title more closely than the hub title, the hub currently shows in 6th place on the first page. The lens is nowhere to be seen in the first 100 results.
    
    The only reason I investigated Squidoo was because you can earn from Ebay ads without having an account. I'd be far happier having Ebay on my hubs than Amazon, but since it is no longer possible to be an Ebay affiliate without a fancy web site, this is not going to happen.
    
    However, since this first lens has sunk without trace, while the hub is at least featured in searches, I don't think I'll bother with Squidoo again.

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       jamesbrownbeteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, I gained only 4 visits from my lens since my last post 3 weeks ago. Too bad! While my articles here in hubpages, though not  so well written, already gained a thousands of visits from few weeks upon its publication. And its still growing in number of visits. Most of these traffic came primarily from google, yahoo, and social sites. And as we all know, traffic = earnings! This is why I prefer now to stay focus with writing to hubpages only.

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    derricktranceposted 8 years ago

    When I got started many years ago,it was easier creating lenses on Squidoo than on Hubpages.I also liked the Squidoo layout.Hubpages looks ugly but their Adsense Page optimization is great.I just logged in recently and it seems they have improved a lot - creating a Hub is now quick and easy,but their modules are limited compared to Squidoo.Also,Squidoo is compatible with many forms of media that you can embed in your lense.However,the revenue sharing system system at Hubpages seems to be better than Squidoo.Hubapges is getting stricter because they think they are growing big and I have a feeling they will give their users a slap in the face sooner or later.

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       thisisoliposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think hubpages will be doing any slapping to legitimate users. I have to admit that while Squidoo has a lot of available modules for lenses, that is one of the key reasons why a lot of articles posted there look spammy.
       
       I have always prefered the clean cut layout of Hubpages compared to the bright cartoony squidoo interface. Nobody buys froma  cartoon.

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    Wendy Krickposted 8 years ago

    I love them both. Lately I've been getting better results from Hubpages.

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    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 8 years ago

    Well, I am reading alot of interesting commentary here of how one writing site is better than another.
    
    I really don't see how writing one or two lenses at Squidoo to discover that HubPages is 'better' really resolves the question. I have seen the exact same statements over at Squidoo's forum as well about HubPages, yes shock, horror huh alot of folks over there think that HubPages is rather difficult or ordinary to use.
    
    The way I see it HubPages is a great fit for me and my way of liking to earn an income on the net.
    
    For other reasons, forget the earnings which may be far less for actual Squidoo earnings when one thinks about the potential for how you can utilize affiliate marketing. I still use Squidoo and will in the future. Not as much as HP, but I shall still be over there as well.
    
    Christene has already given you an idea of how much can be earned on Squidoo. Misha has also suggested not keeping all your eggs in one basket as well.
    
    I have also recently read in these forums of how places like Associated Content and Ezine Articles have been abandoned by alot of hubbers for fear over their article content being stolen, respun spammed and regurgitated. Shame really, considering 25% of my traffic to my Hubs comes from these two sites alone and I am looking at 40%-45% by Xmas.
    
    So happy Hubbing, or Squidding or writing or which ever endeavor your currently undertaking, I wish you the best.

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    JulieBMackposted 8 years ago

    Good information!  I do not have a Squidoo - it seems that this is better and plus I do not want to wear myself thin, having two blog and also writing for Suite 101.  You can only write so much and I think I am focusing on HubPages!!  Love the forums and ppl seem so helpful!!  As a newbie hubber, thanks!

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    Kidgasposted 8 years ago

    I started at Squidoo and HubPages about the same time.  I felt that HubPages was easier to work with and felt that I would be rewarded for my hard work and traffic even if it didn't make the top tier at HubPages.  For what I was doing, HP has the better business model so that I can earn not see all my efforts go into a big pot to get distributed to others.

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    Csanadposted 8 years ago

    As a number of people said, they are different animals. Can't compare apples to pairs. Hubpages is very limited in the way you can customize the look of your article. In squidoo you really can live your creative gusto. I guess, they target different kinds of people; those who just want to write, and don't care much about layout, or those who want to tailor their article's layout to reflect their own personality.

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       SubmissionWorkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes quite agree with you on designing features.
       
       Hubpages are for contents and I think that one is also important reason that hub rank well than squidoo.

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    SubmissionWorkposted 8 years ago

    For me both are top class but yes in search engine hub pages rank well.
    
    I like hubpages because -
    
    # At the start they give no follow backlinks (So less spam)
    
    # Hubpages appreciate daily work and dedication and for that you will get reward in increasing points.
    
    # Since here we got less spam hence more user friendly community and very active as well.
    
    But squidoo provides more option to you so that you can modify your lens accordingly and beautifully.

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       x3xsolxdierx3xposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, however, dependent upon who one speaks to, Squidoo's plethora of options for modification can actually be over-bearing and complicate the platform for new users. When I make a lens, I know there are really only 3-5 modules that I actually use consistently. Most of the rest could be done without.

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    CoolWatchesposted 8 years ago

    The main power of Hubpages to me is the indexing speed. Half the lenses I write simply never get indexed, even if I bookmark them, the the ones that do get indexed take weeks. With Hubpages though, they pop up in Google usually within 24 hours, sometimes under and hour! Hubs I find also rank better overall than lenses. I think google trusts Hubpages more because of the quality.

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    TopUniverseposted 8 years ago

    Hubpages is much better for everyone including newbies.

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    sid_candidposted 8 years ago

    I have not used squidoo but will join it shortly. As I have no experience of working at squidoo it will be unfair to comment on it. I think Hubpages is good though you need to have patience and perseverance to succeed here.

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