Am I Spending Too Much Time Participating and Not Enough Time Writing?

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   bayouladyposted 14 years ago

   Hi Anybody..I need help.I  am probably am asking stupid questions. If you feel that I am, just ignore me.
   I've been here since late June, and thanks to all the advice I took early on, I have a good hubber score (ranges 95-100).I have 14 hubs,(or 15..can't remember..)and I like what I have done with them. Hubbers have been nice to me and have followed me. I reciprocate IF I like their work  or their persona on the forums.Which means I follow I'd guess about 80-90 hubbers. I have really tried to keep up with reading and commenting.I enjoy reading the hubs. I love the forums, and read many of them.(I don't comment near as much as I want to..just pressed for time.)
   
   That being said, I have little time left for actual article (hub)writing. Writing and hopefully publishing is one of the reasons I comforted myself about having to retire from teaching because of my legs. I  should have way more hubs than i do by now!
   
   I could definitely use the money and I love to write.
   (1.)HOW IMPORTANT IS IT to read and comment?
   (2.)Will my hubber score go down too much if I cut back on reading /commenting?
   (3.)Though I have 175 followers, only abot 50 are regular commenters. Would it help me to just follow those that actually seem to give a whistle about mutual hubber reading?
   (4) Would it help to just write for a few weeks and only briefly spread hub love?
   
   Please don't tell me I'm asking silly questions. I addressed that in the first part of my hub. I DO need advice!!!!

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      MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      There are really two types of writers online:
      
      1.  Bloggers
      
      2.  Marketers
      
      
      Bloggers write and hope to gather a following.  They focus primarily on the social aspects of writing primarily.
      
      Marketers write to earn income.  I myself am a marketer.  I've written about 100 hubs in the last 6 weeks and I am earning a significant income from them already.  Tonight is the first night I've ever even entered the forums and I did so just to break up the monotony of writing my sales hubs.
      
      If you enjoy writing and the social aspect, by all means, participate in forums, comment, follow, etc.  However, if you are interested in earning an income, you should spend most of your time writing, backlinking (although I don't), and learning SEO.

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         shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You said:  I myself am a marketer.  I've written about 100 hubs in the last 6 weeks and I am earning a significant income from them already.
         
         That is why you have ziltch followers and ziltch hubs!  Unless, of course, this is a sockpuppet (at which point who are you really?) , your comment doesnt appear to count.
         
         As regards to the question in hand...bayoulady, just do what comes naturally.
         If you want to read something that interests you, read it and add an insightful comment - rate it up, if you feel it warrants it.
         
         Dont follow people because they follow you, just follow people you are genuinely interested in.
         
         Comment on the forums when you have a spare moment or two and you just want to be sociable.
         
         Write what you love and enjoy it.  This is what it is all about!
         
         Authorscores are only an issue if you are below 75 (hubs become nofollow) - dont make too much of an issue over it.
         
         Dont dump following people - they could come up with something interesting and that would mean you would miss out - just add hubbers that you follow naturally because you enjoy them.
         
         Just take the pressure off yourself and love what you write and love what others right - it is easy, right?
         
         Good luck and enjoy Hubpages for both socialising and producing good content.

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            good advice

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               Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               It was, it was... Still processing that.

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            MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            LOL.  It's funny how so many people here claim a comment "doesn't count" when someone uses a posting ID.  It's always nice to see an adult welcome another adult to the forum by calling him names.  Rather childish when you really think about it.  But, that's just my opinion.
            
            Anyway, since you asked who I am, I'll tell you what I can about myself.
            
            I'm a successful internet marketer whose been doing this for the last decade or so.  I own over 100 niche websites monetized exclusively with AdSense, I'm a published author (poker), and I currently own just about 100 Amazon hubs that are very profitable.
            
            I've been here just about 6 weeks and I'm already approaching the 10,000 views mark on those hubs. 
            
            Of course, you won't believe me (because I'm a "sock puppet") but that really doesn't bother me either way because I'll make my money today from my network of sites regardless. 
            
            
            Some words of advice to folks like yourself:
            
            There's nothing underhanded about a posting ID.  When you get to the level I've gotten to, you learn to protect your work.  I use a very specific strategy to generate the traffic (and profits) that I do from HubPages.  By posting with my main account, I open myself to being copied by everyone who investigates me like you did.
            
            Since my strategy really is that simple, it is very easily copied.  As such, I'd be inviting competition.  Why would I want that?
            
            So, you can continue on disregarding advice that comes from so-called "sock puppets" but I can assure you that many of those very "sock puppets" are the most successful online marketers that you'll meet.  But, to each his own.
            
            
            As for anyone else actually interested in learning about the IM industry, feel free to message me.  I'll be glad to provide general advice/assistance. 
            
            Feel free to follow me as well.  If I sense enough interest in what I have to say on the subject of profiting from HubPages with AdSense and Amazon, this "sock puppet" may write up some sort of guide if I have time.

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               shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I really don't know why you wanted to write a hub about it in the forum.  Why not publish it?  I just cant understand why you cant just hang out in the forum as yourself.  What's the mystery?  Whatever 'strategies' you might have, you are welcome to keep to yourself but why hide? 
               
               Now, look at it from a different point of view...  Here is someone with an authorscore of 27, no hubs and no followers spouting off about being a pro online marketer - it doesnt endear people to take on board what is said, does it?
               
               As regards to calling you names... I cant see any evidence of this.
               
               Anyway, if you are a newbie here - welcome

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                  MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  @shazwellyn
                  
                  You stated:
                  
                  That is why you have ziltch followers and ziltch hubs!  Unless, of course, this is a sockpuppet (at which point who are you really?) , your comment doesnt appear to count.
                  
                  
                  You clearly wish to discount what I have to say simply because I use a posting ID.  For starters, at no point did I ever claim I was a pro marketer.  I'm quite the opposite actually as my internet marketing has simply provided a second income for me for quite some time.  I just happen to be very good at what I do.
                  
                  I'm also not sure where I was "spouting off".  I was simply providing feedback to a fellow hubber based on my experience.
                  
                  To be honest, it doesn't matter to me either way whether I'm endearing to people or not.  I'm not on HubPages to make friends (or enemies).  I'm here to write profitable hubs which is what I do.
                  
                  All facts and information (about SEO, keywords, and IM in general) that I speak of are publicly available and verifiable for those interested in investigating.  What I won't do, however, is provide my hubs as a blueprint for people to freely copy.  The truth of the matter is that profiting from Amazon is very, very easy once you understand proper SEO and keyword selection. 
                  
                  If you prefer to disregard what I have to say out of hand because I use a posting ID, that's certainly your prerogative and it's no skin off my back.  My original response to you was simply my way of telling you (and others) a bit about me.

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                     Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Your alleged hubs. There are established hubbers on this site who are proven Amazon specialists. Everyone can freely read and study their hubs, and these proven earners have no problems with that. I find your rationale for having this alleged second account a bit difficult to follow.

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                        MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm OK with that.  Although I will note that there are a few respected hubbers that freely admit that that they hide their hubs on another ID.
                        
                        I'm not here to convince anyone of anything nor am I here boost my ego.  It's just my personal choice to not reveal what niches I operate in and how I target them.  Revealing my hubs does exactly that.
                        
                        I'm just offering my insight based on many years of experience.  People are free to take my advice or ignore it.  It's up to them (and you).

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                           Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           The advice you have offered has made sense to me so far. The best thing you can do to gain credibility and protect your primary account is to write a couple of quality hubs for your posting ID, fill out your profile and get an avatar. Stop mentioning that you have a primary account, or you will probably end up compromising the confidentiality sooner rather than later.

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                              MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              That's fair enough WE but I'm not the one that keeps bringing it up
                              
                              As I mentioned, I'm really not here to prove anything.  However, against my better judgment, I'll post a screenshot of my recent traffic taken from GA.  This is after 6 weeks of "hubbing".
                              
                              EDIT: On second thought, nevermind.

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                                 Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I have been trying to make a general point, apparently to little avail. I am not going to click on that link, but I'll be happy to take your word for it. Have a nice day.

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                                    MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    OK, that's fine by me.  I understand the point you've been trying to make.  Although the counterpoint I've been making all along is that I really don't have a point to make
                                    
                                    You have a nice day also.  If you (or anyone else) have future questions about SEO, keyword selection, or IM in general, feel free to contact me.  I'm always open to assisting others.

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                                    Kidgasposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I was curious so I clicked on it and nothing was there.

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                                       MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       I removed the link and the photo from Flickr.  I was afraid it would just arouse more hard feelings.

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                                          Kidgasposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          That was awfully quick, but I do understand your rationale.

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                                             MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Yeah, I've maintained all along I'm not out to prove anything and that simply flew in the face of my priorities.  To be honest, those that doubt me now would only assume the photo was faked anyway.  Know what I mean?  I'm not sure it was going to prove anything anyway.  Sorry about that.

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                                                Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                You have nothing to apologize for-- I can't see any wrongdoing.

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                                                   MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Thanks Rochelle!

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            Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The poster you refer to has obviously created an account just for forum posting (thus the name he or she is using). There is nothing wrong with that. It's his business if he wants his business separate from his/her "socializing". Multiple accounts are allowed, and I can't see that the comment was malicious or mean in any way. People are allowed to be anonymous if they chose to.

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            bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks, lot of good advice. I need to make money. So I guess I need to write more and socialize a bit less.

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      TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well without sounding too rude, you have more forum posts, just as we all do, then hubs.
      
      So if you want to make money, write more content because in the forums you make none.
      
      Having said that, it is nice to get a feel of your persona by your responses in the forums. It gives us a chance to "get to know you".
      
      Personally, I think your doing just fine any way. As to reading and commenting on HP if you find the forumula, let us all know. You have a hub score that is enviable.
      
      I don't even know you, but your tone, warms me to you.
      
      In answer to your question, write more content. With a 60/40 split your better off having your own blog and link to it from HP. That way you will have a 100 per cent split to you. If I saw one of your links to your own personal blog, I would be there in a flash. And, I am a very active blog visitor, so are others.
      
      HP is a stepping stone. Simple as that. It is not the be all to end all.

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         bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks terrygl, and I will definitely start writing more.I reach a 100 every once in a while, in fact did so this morning. But if I can still have a viable do follow at 90......then I can be okay with that I guess.
         
         I do have a new blog! I tell about it on my profile. Is there another way I can let hubbers know I have a blog, like  putting it on each new hub? It's an amateur venture, but I do have products and adsense.

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      thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hubber score is not very important to making money. If you are looking for retirement income then you defiintely need to write more.

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   mega1posted 14 years ago

   Yeh - I should really focus more on writing and backlinking - in the past two weeks I have probably lost, oh, say $2.21 in revenue since I haven't posted a hub!!! or even made any new backlinks.  Shame on me.

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      bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ya crackin' me up! But I NEED that fifty cents!

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         mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, well, its true - too true.  People say there are ways to really make the money and I know its true - I know some subjects really pull them in off of Google - and I hit a couple pretty good ones, pretty much by accident.  But you know, thing is, I just can't think that way.  When I try to think up something specifically to pull in traffic, I can't.  The things that truly interest me aren't big traffic pullers -  I'm so weird.  So yeh - I'm keeping my day job, for now, until I find that miracle niche that everyone can't find but wants! One day it will come to me - just like my prince.

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            bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ha! Really,though, my retirement check is not near as much as I  was told it would be, and now I  am looking for ways to make money at home.Figured I need to get REAL serious about this.

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   SteveoMcposted 14 years ago

   I am no authority, but I think it is wonderful to have a follower who actually takes the time to comment on my writing.   I write when I am motivated to do so.  I spend a lot of time reading and commenting too.    I like the mix.   In terms of money, I don't think that any of that, including hub score and author score makes any difference.    I have a friend who makes a lot more money than I do on this.   Her hub scores are nothing great, her author score has been lower than mine for months.   Still she has discovered a niche and does very well with over a 1,000 views a day and has hit over 3,000 a couple of times.    She never participates in much other than writing.   
   
   The secret is to find something to write about that lots of people want information about and there is very little information available.       By the way, she has 15 hubs.  No more.

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      bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      thanks SteveoMc- i do like following !I like the mix, but i'm afraid the way i'm mixing doesn't have enough cashews,so to speak!Ha!

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   relacheposted 14 years ago

   In my opinion and based on my experience over the last four years:
   
   1) not very
   2) nope, not at all
   3) I have over 2600 followers, and follow less than two dozen people myself.  Don't waste your time on your followers if your goals are something other than being social.
   4) yes

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      bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you relache,that's what I needed to know. (I don't know why, but I think I'd be embarrassed if my hubber score got very low.) I have great respect for your hub savvy.

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   IzzyMposted 14 years ago

   bayoulady...it has been said time and again...and in kinda went in one ear and out of the other for a long time...but SEO is the answer.
   I've been here 10 months, and when I started everyone said "write good content" or "write about what you know".
   To a certain extent this is great advice. I wrote loads and loads of hubs about "what I know".  I wrote over 100 hubs, many of which even today do not get much traffic because they are not SEO optimised.
   I've changed what I could. But most of these hubs will need re-written from scratch because the URL was wrong all along.
   This coming year I plan to re-write most of these hubs because I really didn't know when I wrote them that they could make money, and also because I can re-write them optimised.
   
   There is only so much we can do with hindsight.
   
   Hubpages is a tremendous platform to write on.
   
   I don't mean because of the ease of layout or whatever, or for their high PR, but for their inclusion straight away in yahoo and the open directory, for the domain age, for their internal backlinks, for the number of backlinks they have pointing to our pages, it's like Wow!
   
   All we have to do is write an SEO optimized page and try not to look surprised when we are on the first page of Google search.
   
   It's that easy.
   
   I have seen some CRAP - no other words for it- ranked highly in google for some good keyword terms.
   
   Some of them are hubbers but thankfully no-one from the forums.
   
   Google isn't perfect, but we can help them become it, by writing good quality original content that is optimised for the search engines, while making money ourselves.

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   IzzyMposted 14 years ago

   And just to answer the question you actually asked, I think by posting on the forums you got your name noticed among the rest of us. That in turn brings traffic as we look at first your profile and then your hubs.
   It also brings friendship, and assistance, and all kinds of interactive relationships, as well as increasing internal backlinks.
   Those all-important backlinks again eh?
   Hubpages is a business. I don't have a problem if the set up is for their gain as well as ours.
   
   They knew about SEO when they launched the site, but they have not only given us a chance to learn, they have given us 60% of the potential profit from each page we write as we learn.
   
   It's weird learning to change our writing to write for search engines instead of real people, but it can be done with minimal changes and without loss of integrity.

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      bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Izzy,thanks for all the time you took to answer. i read every bit of it twice. I am pretty much in a blur about SEO. I think tomorrow i will study hubs about SEO and see if I can get a clearer understanding of it. I have made some good friends here ,too!

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   Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

   bayoulady, as someone said above, I'm not authority.  Here's my take on it (for what's it's worth):
   
   The more high-quality, useful, informative, Hubs - the better.  Just about equal to that (at least in terms of traffic and earnings) is putting in the SEO/backlinking efforts.  Some Hubs, with just basic attention to paid to SEO-related stuff, will get some outside traffic on their own.  The more time spent on getting more outside traffic, the better (especially when it comes to earnings).
   
   I don't see my time on here as one thing.  I almost sign on "with a different hat", depending on what I'm signing on for.  The Hub-writer "hat" is the person who just signs on and writes, builds the Hubs, etc.  That's the "hat" that gets involved with Hubs, whatever I do or don't do with them..  I have x amount of time for that hat, and that's it.
   
   I'll answer comments as they show up if I can.  Otherwise I answer them as part of going through e.mail and whatever else there is to address at any given time.  So there's another hat.  It doesn't take much time (usually), but I don't even see myself as "in an on-HubPages mode" when I just pop on to respond to questions.
   
   When I'm on the forums I don't even see that as a "hat" at all.  It's something I do on the side, while I'm doing other stuff on my computer.  If I weren't a Hubber I might be on Yahoo Answers (or whatever).  It's just kind of entertaining to see what shows up and participate a little.  So, for me, I don't even see participating on here as part being a Hubber (for the most part).  If I weren't using the forums as a way to "take a break" from other stuff I'm doing on the PC, I probably would check in here once or twice a week (or else maybe once a day - that kind of thing).  As it is for me now, being on here is not taking away from my "Hub-Writing Hat".  I wouldn't want to spend my "Hub-Writing Mode" on forum participation.
   
   With reading other people's Hubs, I don't see that as wearing a "Hub hat" either.  It's entertainment, some quick reading, etc.  Because the comment box is there I'll comment if I have something to say.  I don't let that take away from that "Hub Writing hat time" either.   If I'm reading Hubs it's because I'm in a "down time" and looking for entertainment.
   
   Because of my weird schedule and need to write whenever I feel like it, have the energy, or am inspired; I have to make the best use of all "spare-time" writing when the mood strikes me.    If the mood struck me to write for hours, I wouldn't interrupt that "hat" to participate in other stuff on here.  I guess I compartmentalize when it comes what I do on here.  (Sometimes, especially Friday nights, I tend to just want to fool around and be on here for no good reason.  Doing that, I guess, "covers me", in the participation department.     I went for ages never coming on here, and I still had a decent score (although it didn't hit 100 until I'd been on the forums, but I don't know what impact that's had or not had).  As you can see, though, I don't have 100 now either - so you can't worry about scores as long as they're decent enough.
   
   In other words (and again I'm not expert), I'd say spend your time with that Hub-writing hat on, factor in some efforts on the SEO/backlinking stuff; and let the rest of the stuff be stuff you do when you have time (or if time is tight, make a little time for at least a little of the other stuff).
   
   (And, with all the words I've written here, I bet you can't tell that I'm not really in an "On HubPages mode" right now.  I'm in a Friday-night Doing-Nothing mode.  I guess, now that I think about it, I don't see anything other than working on Hubs (and getting traffic) as "Being on HubPages".  The rest of it I just see as having a little entertaining time on a site I happen to know and be a member of.  It makes more sense to be on here fooling around (in view of the fact that I'm a member) than to be on something like Yahoo Answers.   

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      bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you ,Lisa. I really appreciate all the time you took here, even if it is your Friday -night -do-  nothing- time!

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         Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You're welcome.  It was actually a part of my "doing nothing".       When I'm "doing something" I need to control the tendency to be "verbal".  When I'm "doing nothing" I feel free to "go wild" with words.    (Oh, the not-so-appealing traits of "writer types". ....     )

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   Website Examinerposted 14 years ago

   Bayoulady, HubPages and the Internet in general is a tough environment for making money. If that is what you really need, you may want to consider other options.

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      bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have no other options right now, WEB, I have serious health problems,including heart issues and bilateral lymphedema in my legs.There is no cure, only treatment, and I am in stage 2 (not trying to have a pity party)I can't work . I wish I could.Night!yawn.I really am headed to bed this time!(told mark K that 20 min.ago!)

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      shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      umm... I like this comment - subtle but true - lol

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   Website Examinerposted 14 years ago

   MyPostingID, that's fine with me. I will judge your comments on their merits, but ignore your unverifiable claims of expertise and success. Perhaps one of these days you'll do yourself a big favor and find the time to get yourself an avatar, a description on your profile page, and a couple of hubs to your name.

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      MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's OK with me.  People are entitled to their own opinions.  It doesn't affect me one way or the other.  Yes, I suppose an avatar would help but it's just not that important to me.
      
      I only started visiting the forums yesterday to break up the monotony of publishing hubs.  I figured I could be of assistance while I was at it.  However, it does appear the effort is wasted and not appreciated and that's OK too.  Like I said, it's just a way for me to take a break from hubs for a bit.

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         bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         MyPostingID, I'm sorry, it was appreciated. I see that you were offering your advice, and I do thank you.I have been busy all day, and just logged on.Sorry.

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            MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh that's OK. I wasn't directing that comment to you.  It was directed at the others who are more concerned that I use a posting ID.
            
            Feel free to touch base if you ever have questions about rankings, keywords, Amazon, etc.

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    WryLiltposted 14 years ago

    Ok to address your concerns:
    
    1.) Important to what?
    -People's ego? There are plenty more people out there who will likely comment and if they rank well in google, they'll get external comments too.
    -Your score? See below.
    -Looking like a good follower? You yourself say that most of your followers don't comment.
    2.) I have accounts where I've done nothing but write hubs. Quality hubs are about 80% of authorscore - and remember the ONLY thing that the score influences is outoing links being dofollow. In fact there are people who never use the forums who are at least in the low 90s. Remember - score doesn't influence traffic or earnings in the slightest. It's more an ego boost once it's over 75.
    3.) Why do you want mutual hubber reading? Are you here for money? If you are, you don't want hubbers reading your hubs. You want at least 80% of traffic from google, because google traffic converts into clicks and sales.
    4.) Yes.
    
    Sorry to be harsh (don't jump on me please!), but I very rarely comment and only hang out on the forums because of the information I can learn from seeing posts made by pro-hubbers. While I'm there I make myself useful by answering questions I know I can.
    I rarely comment on other people's hubs. Most of the people I'm following I may not have read more than 2% of their work. I don't follow many people, either.
    My best is 7 hubs in one day. I'm currently lagging and writing interest hubs - ones without keyword research. I'm hoping over the next week or so to write more keyword oriented hubs, both informational and product hubs. And I don't care if no one comments on them. I just want converting google traffic.
    
    
    So yes, it's a nice ego boost to get a comment. In fact it's a must if you're a creative writer on the site (creative writing doesn't make money online, generally). However if you're here for the money, score, followers and interaction is a very minimal part of that.
    
    The only good thing about them, from a purely fiduciary view? Feedback lets you know when you're doing it right or just boring people or confusing them, meaning you can improve your hubs so people are more likely to visit from google.

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       bayouladyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       WryLilt, thanks. No it's not harsh. Been thinking the same things myself. Initially, I wanted to write for fun, an audience, and a social outlet that was different from facebook. I didn't like facebook. Too much drama.
       
       Since I joined, I started reading about adsense and etc. .so two weeks in, I decided to add google adsense.....I now very much want to supplement my retirement check for emergencies.
       
       I do enjoy following, I'll just have to cut back a bit.
       Thanks!

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          Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          bayoulady, keep writing.  That's the main thing.  When I first signed up it was to "just write" (the stuff I felt like writing).   Because I was looking to "challenge myself" I went to HubPages "requests" (now "questions") and just wrote one Hub after another in answer to those requests.   In time, I started to earn money.  Generally, the more decent-quality Hubs, the better; and the longer they're online, the better.    So, if you just keep keywords and the right kind of title (the kind of thing people search for) in mind, just write and enjoy yourself.   Use the forums here and there if you feel like taking a break from writing - that kind of thing.  People don't need to worry about scores or percentages of time spent doing things other than writing Hubs.

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    Dan W Millerposted 10 years ago

    BINGO!
    
    I have to go now AND GET WRITING!

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