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Do Secret Societies Actually Exist?

  1. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Fairly simple question. smile big_smile

    Answers?









    Btw- I didn't know/wasn't sure, where to put the topic. If anyone can think of category to put it into, then by all means report the thread and have it moved. wink


    Thank you in advance. smile

    1. IzzyM profile image89
      IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Of course they do. We already know about the Masons and the Bilderbergers, so they are not so secret anymore, but for sure there are more.

      There are too many things to puzzle over for there not to be. I've been doing a lot of researching these last few days on a topic, and each question throws up more questions.

      There has to another movement afoot. Maybe it is the Masons - just because we know they exist does not mean we know how they operate.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Appreciate your input. smile

    2. Sunnyglitter profile image84
      Sunnyglitterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I believe they exist, even though my boyfriend thinks I'm just paranoid.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Much appreciated Sunny. And, as for the boyfriend who thinks you're paranoid...well, I'll leave that alone. lol

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      mtsi1098posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I believe yes - there are too many unexplained things that go on to blame on UFOs

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Good answer. lol

      2. manlypoetryman profile image69
        manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Does that mean we got'ta stop blamin' UFO's....

        Dog gone it!

    4. thisisoli profile image54
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Of course secret societies don't exist!

      *whistles innocently*

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

        1. seanorjohn profile image82
          seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          How easily are some people amused.

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Easily amused?

            "whistles innocently" is what I was laughing at. If you don't get, I can understand. hmm

            1. seanorjohn profile image82
              seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If you don't get.......Did you mean to write "it".

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Typos happen from time to time. wink No one is perfect, not even you. wink

                1. seanorjohn profile image82
                  seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  They are not typos, you are illiterate, but you make yourself out to be some kind of philosopher.

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Make myself out to be some kind of philosopher....boy you're definitely out in left field somewhere.

                    Name any given time I have laid any claim to being a philosopher. And, I'll gladly admit that I have lied.

                    I have gone to great lengths to establish that I am not one. So, it goes to show your inability to distinguish from reality and fantasy. Good job. You must be really proud of yourself.

                  2. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Actually Sean OR John, I am far from illiterate, considering I did graduate school. From many of your posts, I am not sure you even know what a school actually is, much less, graduated from one.

    5. seanorjohn profile image82
      seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Put it in the dustbin.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The "dustbin"? Interesting notion. Did you get that from a kids book? Or did you actually think that up on your own? roll

        1. seanorjohn profile image82
          seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You asked where should you "put it". Yes, the dustbin was right.

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Apparently, you would be incorrect, considering HP doesn't have a dustbin. roll

  2. tritrain profile image73
    tritrainposted 6 years ago

    Yes.

    Yale has the Skull and Crossbones for one.  Take a look how few get admitted and how many of those few become presidents of huge companies, AND the United States.  Creepy.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Appreciate your input. smile

  3. sunforged profile image71
    sunforgedposted 6 years ago

    Yes, they are everywhere  http://i55.tinypic.com/154w03o.png

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol Good to know Sunforged. tongue smile

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When you posted that, I was given a chill, a real one.

      And I have no idea why, but it freaked me out. What is that image and what does it represent?

      It will probably be something stupid now, like an American road sign, but I NEED to know.

  4. shogan profile image87
    shoganposted 6 years ago

    Cags, I think you'd be surprised to know how many secret societies exist.  Keep in mind that those mentioned here must not be all that secret.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Appreciate the input Shogan and no I wouldn't be that surprised. smile

  5. stclairjack profile image80
    stclairjackposted 6 years ago

    I CANT BELIEVE YOU POSTED THIS????!!!!!!

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Believe what you want...it's posted. tongue

  6. stclairjack profile image80
    stclairjackposted 6 years ago

    I CANT BELIEVE YOU POSTED THIS????!!!!!!

  7. stclairjack profile image80
    stclairjackposted 6 years ago

    I CANT BELIEVE YOU POSTED THIS????!!!!!!

    1. stclairjack profile image80
      stclairjackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      do you know how much trouble i'm going to be in for this,... i mean realy,... the old phrase "i'd tell ya but i'd have to kill ya",.... you know our group takes this very seriously!,.... and to be quite frank,.... i'm running out of places to hide the bodies!

      i'm also on my 3rd drink and this topic was WAY TOO INVITING! ha!

      1. stclairjack profile image80
        stclairjackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        and in my own deffence, i have no idea how i posted this 3 times,... could be the tequila,... but i blame dial up.

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your group huh?

          Last time I checked, we didn't have that saying, but then again, I'm not about to say anything about it. tongue

  8. tritrain profile image73
    tritrainposted 6 years ago

    We should each create one.  Only one member can be in them at a time.

    I don't have one, of course, but if I did it would be a secret.  Shhh.

    1. tritrain profile image73
      tritrainposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My secret society will be called the "Trilateral HubPages Commission".

      Too wordy?

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, not at all. lol

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    ryankettposted 6 years ago

    Definitely, the answer to the question.

    Particularly with organized crime. The best crime gangs do not make it known that they are gangsters, and as such are largely secret, until they are discovered. If they are ever discovered.

    In the UK we have cannabis factories sprouting up everywhere, there are always found with one 'gardener'. This gardener is generally an illegal immigrant, they rent a house under a fake ID, and then move in and turn it into a cannabis factory overnight, wiring it up to steal electricity.

    The people behind them are said to be British, but they are NEVER caught. Neither would they be telling random people in bars that they are involved.

    Top level organized crime is always a big secret. And then of course you have the CIA, MI5, MI6, those agents operate overseas in secrecy. The organizations are not secret, but the individuals and operations are.

    For example, the network of Russian spys in New York who had been operating undetected for almost a decade. The ones who were then 'swapped' for American spys discovered in Russia.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good input Ryan. Much appreciated. smile

  10. DREAM ON profile image59
    DREAM ONposted 6 years ago

    There are so many that have exsisted over the years.Now with the ease of computers so many more societies can exsist and promote their own cause.It is a shame so many secret societies have  been created in the need for power and control.Instead of helping other people in different ways.We have heard of hundreds of them that problably start out harmless but then can later promote the bad.The more you find out the more sad life can become.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated. smile

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    Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago

    Of course.  You've never seen PCU?  Balls and Shaft is real, so there must be oodles others out there just like them.  tongue

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am pretty sure that secret societies exist. I just wanted other people's answers. To me, it's fun to think about and to see what people have to say on the matter. tongue

      Much appreciated. smile

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        Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think, to be honest, there are probably far more of them than any of us could imagine.  I just find it hard to understand why they still exist.  Almost everything is acceptable in our day and age.  Seems like there would be no reason to hide much of anything - unless of course, it's just flat out illegal activity.  There's my serious two cents.

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, there is plenty that isn't common knowledge to many and that is the part that many people would fail to understand, because of the complexity of it all.

          Example: Do you know what the best way to utilize America's way of life?

          Indulge me for a minute or two....if you have an answer, please do tell. wink

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            Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know that America has a truly unique way of life, but if so, I wouldn't (personally) feel that it would be too terribly complex.  As to utilizing it, what do you mean exactly?  Utilizing it for what - personal or monetary gain, political advancement, etc...?  I guess I don't generally feel that anything of true value to humanity should be kept secret.  If it's something that is truly beneficial in furthering the cause of the human race toward a more peaceful and productive end, I think it should be right out there for everyone to see. 

            Part of the problem with that, though, is that I suppose it then becomes wide open to be perverted from its original intention, much like other things over the course of history, which may have begun with the very same intentions.

            smile

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Okay, from your statement/post, you're not even sure if America has a unique way of life, which is precisely one of the problems with many citizens who live in America.

              There are only two things in America that are distinctive- (a)it's way of life and (b) freedoms/rights.

              America's way of life is all about equality, however, to gain that equality, is to have a specific knowledge about living.

              America's rights/freedoms are a double edged sword and when you look at society(citizenship), who is treated better than others? Those who have wealth. Now, if that playing field was leveled? What would happen? I know, too much to think about, but I'll leave it at that.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I am in complete agreement about the unique nature of our freedoms/rights.  Unfortunately, I think that too many of our citizens do not know enough about the freedoms/rights of other nations to truly understand how unique that nature is - which leads us to a way of life that isn't terribly unique.  This is perhaps what you mean by the problem with many citizens who live in America?  In that case, I agree on that point as well.  In general, actually, I agree with your entire post.  As to leveling the playing field in terms of wealth, I don't see that as a realistic possibility in my lifetime.  Seeing as how the attempt has been made in other nations (meeting with varying degrees of success - some of which were no success at all) to level the playing field in terms of wealth, I can understand the fear of making an attempt to do so in our very own nation.  Many folks strive for "equality" in our country, but in reality, they are actually striving not for equitable treatment, but rather better treatment.  While I think that there is actual merit in the whole "From each according to his ability to each according to his need," concept, I believe that what often happens is that those who are actually "able" refuse to put in the effort of which they are capable, preferring instead to be seen as those in greater "need."  Are we talking here about equal opportunity - or equal reward?  That does become a part of the question, in my opinion.

                smile

                1. Cagsil profile image61
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I have written two hubs with regards to both issues you posted.

                  How Does Equality Survive In Capitalism?

                  and

                  Controversial- Rights versus Morals? (not to mention, I wrote a hub on morals as they are truly defined-however, that hubs doesn't address rights, as the above one does.) smile

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I'll actually check them out.  Sorry about the long winded response.  I tend to think out loud (even in print) and, as you've gleaned from elsewhere, I do enjoy a good conversation.  I'll take a look - thanks!

                    smile

                    You may now have your thread back, sir.

  12. readytoescape profile image61
    readytoescapeposted 6 years ago

    As a member I can say unequivocally NO.





    However since posting this response I have been kicked out, SO the answer is definitely maybe!

    The Ousting carried a death threat.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Ready. smile

      1. readytoescape profile image61
        readytoescapeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are definitely welcome. Just don’t tell anyone.

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Who am I going to tell and what exactly am I suppose to tell them....you really didn't say anything. tongue

          1. readytoescape profile image61
            readytoescapeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes indeed that would be the point.

            Thanks for bringing that to the forefront.

            I am now back in

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol

  13. Sweetsusieg profile image83
    Sweetsusiegposted 6 years ago

    Just a little input....  The 'Secret Societies' are secret for several reasons...  In regards to the Mason's...  The reason for the secrecy, at one point they would have been killed upon discovery.  They have secrets signs that are meant to be known only to those other members.  The signs and handshakes help identify one another in a place among strangers. 

    Look at it this way, if you are in a strange place where you know no one, you make you sign and then discover that there is another like you, you might feel less frightened.

    Some of the organizations are not as secret as they seem.  Just the signs that you (a non-member) aren't aware of.  All of the Masonic families (there are a lot!) do everything humanly possible to help out within the Community.  Ask yourself this "Where does the money come from that is donated to food banks, women's shelters, children's Hospitals, youth groups etc?"  A lot of it comes from 'secret' organizations.  The organization I belong to has a list that we donate every year to....

    So my response to the question "Tell me about your Secret Organization" is this..."If you want to know our Secrets, join us we'll tell you!"

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well I didn't ask if anyone belonged to one, but I appreciate your input. smile I was just curious to see other people's take on it. smile

      1. Sweetsusieg profile image83
        Sweetsusiegposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not a problem...  I hope you didn't mind...  Just trying to demystify the Mason's a little bit.  There is so much negativity about them.

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not at all. I appreciated the input. smile

  14. Hugh Williamson profile image87
    Hugh Williamsonposted 6 years ago

    The most secretive and nefarious secret society that ever existed was obviously the "Raccoon Lodge."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N-h4D-wSak

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Hugh. smile

  15. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 6 years ago

    Do Secret Societies Actually Exist?

    roll How Would You KNOW??? 






    roll  Sheeesh!!!












    BE Honest..... sad










    How would you Know?  hmm














    If Secret Societies actually exist.......










    Then they.....







    Wouldn't Be SECRET would they......


    If You Knew!!!!  roll



    big_smile  Duhhhh....

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated PD. tongue

  16. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ACG6lH-LdJA/S8KSy678QUI/AAAAAAAAAYo/2lMIh7L19zY/s1600/eyes+wide+shut+2.jpg

    I don't know. Ask them.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol

  17. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    M2C -- I can vouch for Cags. He's a gem! MM

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Again, I'm humbled and honored by your kind words Mighty Mom. smile

  18. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    LOL. Quite a contrast in tone and content from our earlier chat over on Lynnchandler's thread, eh? tongue

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And, you took off, just as it was about to get good too. If you didn't see what I wrote, then I would suggest you go back and see. lol lol

      You might think differently of me. Not likely, but there is always a possibility. tongue big_smile

  19. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Oh, you'd already said a mouthful (self-slap).
    I had to go get good.
    And I did!
    Night! Gotta sign off... til 2moro. MM

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good night Mighty Mom. Sleep well and be safe. smile Till tomorrow. smile

  20. Cheeky Girl profile image80
    Cheeky Girlposted 6 years ago

    UK has its fair share of secret societies, but they can exist anywhere. I know friends from my old university days who were indoctrinated into secret societies. Bilderberg, Masons, Trilateral Commission, so many of them. Wikipedia will tell you even more.

    Some are shady and hidden while some can be quite useful. For example if you are a member of one and have a hard time getting work, get networking in your secret society - they will get you a job, where conventional methods won't in the face of favoritism.

    There is a huge theory about conspiracies too, but there can also be compassionate conspiracies. Some secret organisations do good things too. It's a huge subject!

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Cheeky. smile

  21. Mikeydoes profile image75
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why? Do you belong to one? tongue

  22. Disturbia profile image61
    Disturbiaposted 6 years ago

    My first husband was a Bohemian.  Do they quality for secret society status?

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Disturbia, great to see you. Hopefully you're well. smile Thank you for your input. smile

      And, I don't know what qualifies for a quality secret society, but I would think to remain secretive would be one quality. lol

      1. Disturbia profile image61
        Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Bohemians are very secretive.  Nobody knows what goes on at their gatherings.  All these influential men, yes men, I believe it's the last remaining "males only" club but I could be wrong, gather at a place called the grove and many people speculate that world altering deals are struck there, but I suspect it's just a big frat party where they all let their hair down and prance around drunk and naked in the woods. LOL big_smile

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hey Disturbia, I don't think that secret societies are limited to just men. But, you could be right about the prancing/dancing naked drunk. tongue smile

          1. Disturbia profile image61
            Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL, no Cags, I mean the Bohemians are a males only society.  No ladies allowed.  Only rich, famous, political, or powerful men need apply.

  23. profile image0
    Mad Prophetposted 6 years ago

    I have a secret society. It's called "screw with me and i'll..."  well you get the idea.  of course, the society that i run only consists of three people, me, myself and I.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good to know Mad. lol lol

  24. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I'm still stuck with how a secret society can be secret when we know about them. smile

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's the ones you don't know about. wink The ones that have been exposed were secret before being exposed, but that doesn't mean more do not exist. wink

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        OK. Good! Now I get it.
        In that case I would rationalize that as there are many we know of, it is very likely there are many others we don't know of.
        All good now!

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes Earnest, there are others, at least one I know of, but don't expect me to tell you anything else that I know about it, because it will go unanswered. wink

  25. seanorjohn profile image82
    seanorjohnposted 6 years ago

    Serious question. Are you on the autistic spectrum? You made some crazy comments about Mark Newbie. You don't seem to get humour, do you?

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There wasn't anything humorous about Mark's thread about the negative aspect of traffic NEVER RETURNING to HP. And, your pathetic attempts to demean me, while knowing I wasn't going to return to the thread is a prime example of you being two-faced.

      1. seanorjohn profile image82
        seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So you did return then. I seem to remember you saying goodbye to the forums as well. You just can't help changing your mind.

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I said I wasn't going to further post. Now, who is illiterate? Can you not read? Or Do you only read what words matter to you?


          Edit: You constantly bring up the fact that I left the forum and came back. At the time, and I will explain it for you, since you apparently have a comprehension problem- I was able to do other things, without having to worry about leaving the forums. Got it?

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    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    Of course.
    If you google it, you'll find a whole role.
    The most common (and influent) around here, are Opus Dei mainly in the Iberic peninsule and Italy and The Franc-Maçonnerie mostly in France and Anglo-Saxon countries.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you for the input. smile

  27. profile image0
    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    Come on Cagsil.
    Thank you for being polite as usual, but I doubt my input brought any added value to your knowledge.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You told me something I didn't know, so of course you added value. wink

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    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    I'm glad about that.
    smile

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      cool

  29. Tatara profile image60
    Tataraposted 6 years ago

    I saw a documentary on Discovery Channel.They exist.Creepy.

  30. manlypoetryman profile image69
    manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago

    I like to add the word Money in between Secret and Society. Like some kind of CSI investigation...or Secret Agent Movie plot: "Follow the money trail". Where you have Secret Societies that are in control of all the money. Now, that is my definition of a real "Secret Society"...those are the ones that are in control! And it is no secret...other then...the vast amount of the public haven't come to grips with all the Secret Society Groups! (And the list is long...)

    Did someone mention the Bohemian Groves earlier?

    1. Disturbia profile image61
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, my first husband was a Bohemian.  I won't say what else he was... LOL!

  31. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 6 years ago

    cant tell you it's a secret

    1. Disturbia profile image61
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, it's the old if I tell you, I'll have to kill you deal.  For even having this conversation, all our names are probably now on a secret hit list that was tattooed in special ink that can only be seen by black light , on a psychotic, mute, monk's backside.

      1. manlypoetryman profile image69
        manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh no...I think I just saw a psychotic, mute monk in the parking lot...lol

        Actually, in this manic, paranoid society...we live in...it would not surprise me...if even mere slightly out spoken individuals got their name on some kind of "list".

        1. Disturbia profile image61
          Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think Richard Nixon kept such a list.  Wasn't he a Bohemian?

          (whispers)  You're not secretly a Bohemian too are you manly?

          1. manlypoetryman profile image69
            manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            HA! lol

  32. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "I think Richard Nixon kept such a list.  Wasn't he a Bohemian?" Nixon was enlisted into politics by Prescott Bush - Skull and Bones.

  33. Richieb799 profile image60
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    Yes they exist, I'm writing a hub about them now wink

    1. Disturbia profile image61
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh I know they exist, as I said, my first husband was a Bohemian, but that's not really a secret society.  He also belonged to some other clubs too.  Ones that had darker more sinister purposes where likeminded, strange people came together and did things I'm never going to admit to knowing anything about.

  34. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    The bohemian club was actually once bohemian.

    http://www.mollycliffhilts.com/bohemian … ection.php

 
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