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   lovetherainposted 5 years ago

   Are they just boy's clubs, or are they something else? if so, what?

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on who you talk to.  If it's the membership, they're just a boy's club.  If it's a conspiracy theorist they are evil things with evil people that want to control everyone else.
      
      If they're actually secret you'll never hear from either group, though...

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         lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I think at one point, they were secret, like the Freemasons. Now they are just boys clubs. But I could be wrong of course.

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         MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         True, Wilderness, but I've been seeing some scary ones featured on the History Channel. However, that channel's intent is to make money so do we believe them or not?

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      Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I wouldn't put it past any secret society to aspire to world control, although I'm not certain how possible that would be.
      But, I don't think it is far fetched to think they exist for more reasons than guys wanting to hang out together.
      
      Although, I find your assumption biased. I'd assume any secret society was controlled a woman.

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         lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I don't understand your last sentence. Can you rephrase it please?

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            C'mon!  They don't let silly, fluttery girls into a boy's club!
            
            (Sorry, LTL - couldn't resist!  Ever read Calvin & Hobbs about that?  As usual, Susie got her revenge.)

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               lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               That's just not fair! LOL.
               
               I used to work at a country club as a waitress and hostess. There were boy club meetings all the time....they were very strange I tell you.

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Bet that was an uncomfortable gig to work!

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                  MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, a men's social club here in town got a shock when it had to admit women or be charged with sex discrimination. Actually, I thought a social club could discriminate, but apparently not.

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                     wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Considering that girls must be allowed on high school wrestling teams without regard to the sensitivities of their opponents, it's not surprising.

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                        lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        do you think it's ok for men to have their own "clubs" and activities?

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                           wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Truthfully, I don't have a problem with that.  I think that there are times males would prefer to be together and the same goes for females.  I would go so far as to say that the women (for instance) that force their way into a men's club don't do it for the camaraderie and friendship of belonging - they do it to make a point that "You can't exclude ME from your club!"
                           
                           But, as always, it's gray, not B&W.  A country wide organization with 100 clubs scattered in every major city is perhaps another matter and deserves a different ruling than a poker club of 50 guys in Hoboken.

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                              MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Wilderness, get out a cushion to land on your fanny when you fall. For once I agree with you! 100%

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                                 wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 I know; hell is freezing over as I type!

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                                    MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    I like that.

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                        Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I guess that is ok, but I assume that the each gender only can compete with one of their own?

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                           GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           "... I assume that the each gender only can compete with one of their own?"
                           
                           Okay, I admit it, I am a goat. Since wrestling matches are done by weight class,  I am sure you can guess the first mental image, (and the second and third),  that came to mind when thinking of a Co-ed high school wrestling match.
                           
                           GA

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                           wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           No it does not.  Boys are forced to either get on the ground and wrestle a girl or leave the competition.  Both have happened - not only is there the question of impropriety for some boys (others would love the chance!) but can you imagine the comments from team mates if the boy loses?

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         MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         LTL, was your last sentence missing a preposition? Should it have read "I'd assume any secret society was controlled [by] a woman."?
         I don't know of any controlled by a woman, but of course, those may be really  secret. Most of the secret societies were formed in the strong patriarchal days, but in the features of some that I've seen on TV, there have been some with female members. Most of these are among the world's richest people who meet to control the economies of the world, and they are all billionaires or trillionaires.
         You mentioned the Freemasons, but that society has a women's auxiliary (the Eastern Star), and as far as the world knows, they don't admit women into their male ranks. I read a book by one of the conspiracy theorists that said the upper echelon of the Freemasons is made up of the world's most wealthy and influential people and is very secretive. It said that the lower level that is shown to the world are just everyday people who are being used by the group's hierarchy. I don't  recall whether it said that there were women in the hierarchy. I still have the book around here somewhere but I can't remember the name or the author. If I find it, I'll post the information.

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            Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Posting from a phone, for me, includes typos and accidental omissions. Sorry

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   Credence2posted 5 years ago

   Maybe the times have got ahead of me? You have women's swim teams and men swim teams, there are also men track and field and woman track and field. Have there always been reasons why the sexes compete within their own gender?
   
   Are you all suggesting that officially in high schools that administrators are actually serious about not segregating by gender in a contact sport like wrestling? I can imagine all the trouble that would ensue, couldn't anyone?
   
   That is beyond the pale, even for me....

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      MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Well, in the past females were called the weaker sex because most of us are physically weaker than males of the same age. I think we can compete fairly in skills sports like riflemanship, but wrestling is one area in which we women have to realize that most of us would lose. I've seen a few muscular girls who might compete fairly, but what about the rest? This is a contact sport and females are already complaining about unwanted male contact. Will they complain when some guy grabs their boobs, either accidentally or on purpose?

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         Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Well, in the past females were called the weaker sex because most of us are physically weaker than males of the same age. I think we can compete fairly in skills sports like riflemanship, but wrestling is one area in which we women have to realize that most of us would lose. I've seen a few muscular girls who might compete fairly, but what about the rest? This is a contact sport and females are already complaining about unwanted male contact. Will they complain when some guy grabs their boobs, either accidentally or on purpose?
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         Thanks, MizB, While there are fewer woman because of biology that can compete with a comparable man in the strength department, there is always an Amazon or two would could prove the exception. I don't know guys can grab boobs but the girls can grab the 'family jewels' and mess you up.
         
         I came along too early, how come I couldn't have had this much fun in high school?

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         wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not sure how true that would be in high school and even more so in lower grades.  Girls mature physically before boys and are often just as big in, say, the 9th or 10th grade.  Not sure when the difference in musculature makes its appearance, but would guess somewhere around puberty, fully maturing a few years later.
         
         While I'm pretty confident that by the time these kids are seniors it's all over for true competition, I don't so confident about it at at 14 or 15.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Federal laws require equal sports opportunities for boys and girls.  If there aren't enough girls for a wrestling team (in each school) then girls must be able to compete in a boys team.  So the very few that want to wrestle do just that and heck with whether the boys wish to grope a girl in public.  They don't matter.

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