Hubpages Ads program : Anyone disabled it?

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   shabarigirishposted 13 years ago

   HP ads are running on my hubs since one week. My earnings through the program are pretty low, may be because of lower traffic I am getting.
   
   My hubs were making couple of dollars before signing up with HP ads. Now from past one week my hubs earned nothing from adsesne.
   
   I am just thinking whether I shall disable HP ads or wait for some more time say one month to see the clear results. I know only few people got invitation to join this program, so I don’t want to miss any opportunity offered by HP to make money.
   
   Please let me know how is your earnings from HP ads and anyone considered disabling it?

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      snakebabyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Having earned even one cent since HP ad added. This is no coincidence. HP ad takes away all my adsense earnings, not sure if it's worth it.

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mine is higher than Adsense earning as well.  I don't care so much where I earn, so long as I am earning.

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      wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I disabled the HP ads on my regular account.
      
      After safely making AdSense payout for this month, I activated the HP ads. I had them for about a week. The program earned me less than 40 cents a day. I was still getting some AdSense clicks too but not enough to make up the difference I was getting with AdSense alone. I might turn it back on after I make AdSense payout in April, then again maybe not. I too hope HP will allow us to select which hubs to put the ads on. 
      
      For anyone used to getting AdSense payout every month, I recommend you wait until after you get to the threshold before trying the HP ad program.

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         Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         my google ads have earned less than $50 in 9 months with a modest number of hubs (and zero for amazon).  Just got accepted into hubpages ads & so far making around $1 a day, so seems to be a good start compared with the google

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            wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Good job Baileybear. Sounds like you're making progress toward your first AdSense payout.
            
            The HP ad program is working for some people, but my recommendation was for people who are accustomed to making AdSense payout every month. I would safely make the threshold first to be certain of making payout, THEN test the new HP program out. 
            
            Thanks.

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         4youreyesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         How can you use AdSense when you have no hub's ?  Why would HP choose you to use the program as a test when you have noting to test it on ? Why are you not writing any hub's after 11 months with HP ?

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            wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You're kidding right? Did you not see that I said, "on my REGULAR account"?
            
            I learned the hard way to protect my work and my potential earnings. People have a tendency to copy, sabotage, attack, etc. I'm not saying that you personally would do that. Anyway, my hubs are not 4youreyes. lol. Sorry, I couldn't resist making a joke. 
            
            Seriously, it does seem like other people are having some of the same results I had with the HP ad program and deactivated it.
            
            The bottom line is try it for yourself, but I wanted to let people know that if they're used to getting payout every month they probably should make sure they reach payout before turning on the HP ads. Anyone who wants to take that risk of not making it, can.
            
            I've seen several veteran hubbers say that for the first time in years they did not make AdSense payout (with hundreds of hubs) with the HP ads going.
            
            Anyway, that's all.

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               4youreyesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               wbfree,
               I'm sorry I did not mean to offend, my mistake for not catching that you had a regular account also. I will be more careful next time. Please except my apologies.

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                  wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  4youreyes, you have a kind heart. No need to apologize. No worries.

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         Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But you don't have any hubs. It's impossible for you to earn Adsense.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You can have more than one account you know.

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               Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I thought of that. but then, it would be useful to see how many hubs he's written and what they were about...

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Why? I have a lot more hubs than you can see on my account.

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                     Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Because, Mark, I get a picture of where the person is coming from when I can see what he generally writes about. A comment, on its own, can sometimes mean a million different things.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I deliberately hide the things I write about.

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                           Website Examinerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I think it depends on the discussion. Sometimes, it is a problem if someone talks about their (alleged) other accounts, which cannot be verified. In this discussion, I don't see a problem; it was something casual, and there is no reason to believe the poster - wbfree - wasn't telling the truth.

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              This was actually good advice:
                              
                              
                              And I see no reason to disbelieve him/her/it because it uses a sock puppet account for forum posts. I have learned to my cost that this is a good idea.
                              
                              I have currently disabled the HP ad program in order to try and determine which is the higher earner. The introduction was just bad timing as it came a few days after the google algo change and my traffic pattern changed quite drastically. I used it last month and the few hundred dollars it produced did not make up the drop in earnings from other programs - by a large margin. I will compare the 2 months and decide.

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                                 wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 You are spot on Mark. I learned the hard way. It's amazing that some people are naive about some things. I guess once you become a victim, you learn real quick to protect your work and earnings.

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                              wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes, I am telling the truth, but frankly I couldn't care less if a person believes me or not. I put it out there and people can take it or leave it. If what I say isn't for them, then they should carry on about their own business.

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                                 Website Examinerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I had assumed you wanted to be believed.

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                                    wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Naturally, anyone would want to be believed, but I'm not going to have any fits or lose any sleep over it. I move on, life goes on.

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      Barbara Kayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am making just slightly more than I did in February using both Hubpage ads and Adsense. I was in the first wave and signed up the 2nd week of March. I think I would have done better if I had the hub program the entire month of March.
      
      I feel better not being so dependent on Adsense. What are we ever going to do if the program would end? This is one of those "don't put all of your eggs in one basket" things. All good things can come to an end as the whole Panda thing showed us.
      
      I feel much better having a second program to rely on.

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      vietnamvet68posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Anyone who has signed up for the HP Ads is a FOOL, they will not bring any amount of money in for yourself but they will bring in lots of money in for HP and on top of that you can bet they are selling your personal information just like facebook to make even more money. HP is dying and they are trying everything they can to keep making money for themselves. Open your eyes people.

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Awww...did you not get an invite?

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            theherbivorehippiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's what I was thinking!

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      Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I got an invite but after hearing some people say their Adsense had gone down I decided to leave it for now, perhaps when I am earning as much as some of the big cats I will try it. But I just like getting paid each month like I do with Adsense at the moment.

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         WoodsmensPostposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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            Karandaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's right on!

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         wbfreeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Right on Richie.
         
         I "loves" getting my AdSense deposits every month! The "big cats" as you say, may have enough money to play around with, but "Homey don't play dat". LOL
         
         Joking aside, within hours of disabling the HP ad program I saw a dramatic improvement in my AdSense earnings. I hope to see some more of those $13+ dollar days I was getting a few weeks ago.
         
         I realize some people are doing great with the new HP ad program. Good for them, but again, I'm not risking my AdSense payouts.
         
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         I had to come back and update my wording from "significant" improvement to "dramatic" improvement in my AdSense earnings, because I just checked my AdSense earnings so far today and I'm already about at the half way mark to a $13+ day. Go, Go, Go AdSense! Yay!

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      melbelposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It was really affecting my AdSense earnings which are more important to me, so I disabled it.

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      pinkdaisyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am running HP ads and I am seriously thinking about disabling it. I'm not making as much money
      
      Does anyone know what the cut off point is for payout?

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   theherbivorehippiposted 13 years ago

   I did disable mine...only because it was really affecting my Adsense and I didn't want it to take away from my earnings for March.  I do plan on turning it back on though April 1st and giving it it's fair chance though.  I know a lot of people seem to be really happy with it...I just needed to finish off this month as strong as I could. 
   
   You can disable it and then enable it again if you want to "comparison shop" the program and see which you prefer.

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      shabarigirishposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yup.. HP ads works on impression basis so many people who are getting high traffic might be earning more.

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         Garrett Mickleyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I didn't know that.
         
         I generally get decent traffic and no clicks, so this would be great for me.
         
         Can't wait to get my invitation!

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            Balineseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            i did not get invitattion too - and  no click but  quiet  alot viewer   i have no idea

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         thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Can you give me the source on Hubpages ads working on impressions? So far my earnings seem to be comming through from clicks because of their variance.

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It's both impressions and clicks, but I should imagine it is clicks by an overwhelming majority, on any hubs with any substance or earnings potential whatsoever.
            
            The only ads that I have seen which look for candidates for being impression based are the ones for cars, which is brand building. Most that I have seen have been very niche specific, rather than broad, and anything other than a click campaign for those would be ludicrious.
            
            People are getting confused by the use of 'CPM' as a reporting tool, oblivious to the fact that their earnings come from their clicks, a few impressions on top, and nothing else.

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               ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               (just like AdSense I must add)

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   Lymondposted 13 years ago

   Does actually disabling the HP program return the ad space to Adsense? May have just been coincidence but very shortly after the HP program came in my Adsense revenue dropped substantially. At the time I wasn't invited to the HP program and just figured it stole impressions from Adsense on my pages even though I wouldn't earn off the HP program til I was invited.
   
   I seem to be earning off the HP program (at a slightly lower rate than Adsense when it was producing regularly) but for someone like me who can barely scrape a cheque a month, splitting revenue streams leaves me with nothing but gaps between payouts as I don't make the minimum requirements on both.

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I have virtually no clicks now. In fact, Last week I went for 5 days without receiving a single click. That had NEVER happened before!

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   Will Apseposted 13 years ago

   I have been impressed with the earnings from the Hubpage Ads but it is a pain that you cannot enable or disable on individual hubs. I could do a lot better (and Hubpages could do better too) with this choice.
   
   It is hitting adsense and Amazon, too, I reckon in an unnecessary way.

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      BRIAN SLATERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Will, I think hp may look later in the year at doing individual hubs at the moment they are concentrating at getting everyone joined up and making the beta system fool proof.
      It certainly hasn't affected my Amazon earnings, although they are down since the algo change. My adsense earnings have completely dried up.

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         shabarigirishposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hope HP will give an option to enable it on individual hubs, so we can enable it on hubs which are geeting no clicks or low CTR and disable on high CTR hubs.

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            shabarigirishposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry small typo *getting
            

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   2besureposted 13 years ago

   I have deactivated my HP ads as well.  I don't get that much traffic and don't want to have Google ads to compete with he HP ads.

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      freelanceauthorposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      how did you do that? I badly need to deactivate it. My earnings are declining
      
      Thanks

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         prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sign in - Go to My account - Earnings - Configure HubPages Ad program, then choose Deactivate

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   sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago

   My Adsense ecpm had dropped through the floor since the "Panda"
   ("Panda"...isn't it sweet that they named such a destructive thing after a cute animal? Next I guess they will cut half the Adsense publishers and call it "Operation Fluffy Bunny")
   Anyway, with the HP program added to the regular Adsense, I am actually making more than I was after Panda, though not more than I was making before Panda.
   So, I'm leaving it on for now and keeping check of the total ecpm and profits.

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      Website Examinerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Say again?

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         sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Okay...say before Panda I was making 20.00 a day.
         After Panda I made 10.00.
         With the HP program added in to Adsense now, I am making 15.00
         So I'm not making as much as before Panda, but more than just with Adsense alone after Panda.

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   leahleflerposted 13 years ago

   I'm relatively new, so I don't earn a lot with any method - but the HP program is paying me more than Adsense. Prior to the google slap, I was making $1-$2 per day with Adsense (with fewer hubs than I have right now). Now I'm lucky to make $0.50, and many days go without any earnings on Adsense. The HP program has more than made up for that, so I am quite happy to leave it on all of my hubs.

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   I had one week of post-Panda adsense earnings before joining Hubads.
   While Panda knocked my traffic down 30%, it knocked my earnings down 60%.
   HPads show a fairly steady return each day, while adsense has stayed in the doldrums.
   To try and boost my adsense, I turned HPads off for a couple of days. My timing was terrible (I always pick the wrong queue at check-out in the supermarkets too!)as other people reported record earnings during those 2 days.
   Adsense did not pick up at all with Hubads turned off.
   Maybe I was just unlucky in the days I picked I don't know.
   With Hubads, my earnings are almost back to normal.
   My traffic seems to have fully returned, but my earnings remain down a bit.

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   thisisoliposted 13 years ago

   Don't forget that after the update things are normalizing again.
   
   My traffic is slowly coming back to normal.

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    IzzyMposted 13 years ago

    What's annoying me now is that my traffic is more or less back to normal, but my earnings are way down.
    For the last two days I have earned less than .50cents per day on Adsense.

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    Rudraposted 13 years ago

    Have enabled it, will wait for another month or so and then can decide.

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    andyozposted 13 years ago

    I've been happy with HP ads in the week I've been using them.  My total earning are up slightly and I seemed to earn more of a conisntent amount on HP ads.  My Google Adsense is down but I don't mind that if the overall amount is more.

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    shoganposted 13 years ago

    I've noticed, having it on for over a week now, that I seem to earn something small every day, but I don't get that odd "big" day.  Just pretty much the same total, every day.  That's great, if you've got a ton of traffic, but I'm wondering if I'm better off gambling on the ups and downs of Adsense alone.  I'm getting absolutely nothing from Adsense with the HP Ads turned on.

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Go back over your monthly earnings and put them in a spreadsheet.
       Set up calculations to work out your average earnings per day on adsense alone,then hubads plus adsense.
       
       That is the only way to work out which is better.
       
       Since the google crash, Hubads plus adsense wins hands down for me, but it isn't the same for everyone. Some people are reporting that their adsense is still higher, post-Panda.
       
       But keep a record, then you can see at a glance and not be dependent on memory alone.

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          shoganposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          IzzyM, thanks a lot for responding.  It's lousy to feel like you're talking to the air.    I tend to think that I've been here too short a time and have too few hubs to make any research meaningful, but I'll take your idea anyway and go with it.
          
          Looking through the posts in this thread, the number of hubs and the time on the site don't seem to reflect any pattern of success with HP Ads on or off.  None that I can see, anyway.

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       pinkdaisyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I have had the exact same experience...couldn't have said it better myself

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    CASE1WORKERposted 13 years ago

    i agree, with your suggestion.
    My monthly earnings for March(HP plus adsense) post panda are a little more than Feb adsense alone and we didn't start HP to 3rd and still have two days earnings to go on HP!
    
    I think with everything you just have to give it time, if it is the same in subsequent months then thats fine. It does make me chuckle. I was one of the first wave of 500 and if you remember there were some strained forum posts that we were coining it in! Well no one is, but even 10 per cent more is better than nothing!

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    Bill Manningposted 13 years ago

    I am making more off the HP ads. But then again I never had many clicks here for adsense anyways. So I'll take the few extra bucks or whatever a day and post more hubs.
    
    But yeah, everywhere on every site I have clicks are down big time since the Google change.

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    Rosie2010posted 13 years ago

    I've had HPads for a about a week now and my Adsense earnings are not affected, so my earnings for the week has doubled compared to the week before HPads.  But I had a couple of good days earnings on Adsense so my Adsense earnings for the week is higher than HPads.  It could be just a fluke.. too early to say.  But my Adsense earnings for March has surpassed that of February, with the HPads activated the last week.  So, I say so far so good.  April will say how it really is for me, as both Adsense and HPads will be activated for the whole month.  For me.. so far so good.

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    IzzyMposted 13 years ago

    You have 45 hubs and you've been here 4 months (says me, stating the obvious LOL). I had less hubs but had been here 3/4 months before I started keeping a spreadsheet.
    On that spreadsheet I note number of hubs, adsense, views, and loads of other details that I hope will one day be useful to me.
    The whole point I suppose is to have an overview, a perfect memory, of trends or earnings or whatever.
    I don't know about you, but this has all been a huge learning curve for me.
    I wanted to write AND I wanted to earn money.
    The spreadsheet keeps me right. On this day last year I earned .26 eurocents.
    Today I earn an awful lot more than that in total, but I have a record of the high times as well as the low.
    I'm still not earning the minimum wage assuming I worked a 40 hour week, thanks largely to the Panda update.

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       shoganposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I almost missed your response down here, IzzyM (I am assuming you were responding to me, right?).  This is quite a learning curve, made worse by the fact that I'm an English teacher, so spreadsheets are a bit like my Kryptonite.  You are correct, though, and I know it.  I'm a tenacious sort, and I plan to stick around for a while, so I need to start being more methodical in my record-keeping.  This may be a stupid question, but isn't some of this info collected by Analytics?
       
       The nice thing for me is that whatever I earn doing this is extra.  I don't need it; I'd just like to have it.  Panda must have been a bear (pardon!) for those who depend on online earnings.

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          IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I've never understood Analytics, maybe one day, but for now, no. So instead, I keep records, and add to them, and make new heading columns, and kid myself on that it pays me.
          
          That aside, if you intend to stick around, you will find that your own records will give you an at-a-glance summary of your previous history which can guide you in future, apparently.
          
          I said "apparently" because the future is rocky and uncertain at the moment, but in more normal times your spreadsheet would be reassuring.
          
          Then again, if this is only a past-time to you, don't worry about it

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             shoganposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             "Then again, if this is only a past-time to you, don't worry about it "
             
             Well, that's what I'm stuck on.  I guess it is a past-time, since it's not a necessity, right?
             
             I respect your dedication to record-keeping.  It's inspiring me to take another look at my approach here.

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    lakeerieartistsposted 13 years ago

    I am getting Adsense clicks and and HP Ad clicks, but it still doesn't equal what I earned pre Panda.  My traffic has leveled off but not gone back to pre Panda either, and my Ebay is tanking.  Amazon seems fine for some reason (knock on wood).  I may have no choice but to move all my Ebay related content.

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    PaulaHenry1posted 13 years ago

    HP profit is much better than Adsense right now, but overall they both are doing poorly. Amazon has dropped to one very small sale. I'm very saddened with all the changes as my profit level has really tanked. But I will keep HP because I feel it is the better of the two right now...

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    Thrillerposted 13 years ago

    HP Ad program will not be very a good proposition to Asian writers writing on regional topics as advertisers from this part of the world will not sign up for HP Ad program. They'll stick with Adsense and so should we.

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    Dame Scribeposted 13 years ago

    I haven't got invited n had 20 hubs unpublished can't say anything since I have no idea.

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    warchild75posted 13 years ago

    Nearly $30 in 7 days so no im not disabling it!!!

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    Well, I had it for one week, and comparing to the previous week my combined HP eCPM dropped from almost 15 to a tad above 12. I am giving it another week, and if the pattern persists, I am out of it....

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    Marye Audetposted 13 years ago

    I have had it for most of march so know what my average is with it...will turn it off for a bit and see what Adsense looks like for April..and then decide.Since Panda and the new Hub Ad program hit me at the same time I don't really know what has been affected by what.

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    bloggerdollarposted 13 years ago

    My Adsense earning really took a hit after enabling HubPages Ads, for a while I didn't notice those two were related. I will disable Hubpages ads but it would be really good if they offer individual Hub enable option and/or we can choose where we can place Adsense and Hubpages ads on a single page.

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    viryaboposted 13 years ago

    This issue is so disheartening. My adsense is almost becoming non existent in comparison to post Panda that i thought was bad. My HPads earnings are not too bad, but still....
    
    I'll still hang on and see how it pans out, but i'm getting so jittery. And i hate feeling jittery.

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       David 470posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       What is this post panda hubbers are talking about? Are they referring to Google Algorithm change??

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          viryaboposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yes

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    Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years ago

    I just disabled mine this morning and have already received 5 clicks.  I've had Hubpages on for about 10 days and the very first day was good but it declined after that.  Since then I've actually made less than with adsense.

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    Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years ago

    I also don't like it that we can't track Hubpage revenue throughout the day like you can with adsense.

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    David 470posted 13 years ago

    I noticed that my adsense earnings are almost gone completely. However, adsense was never consistent, in the time I have been using it. I would have bad days, average days, and above average days.
    
    It seems like the hubpages ad program is consistently average, but my adsense earnings have tanked basically.

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    Rik Ravadoposted 13 years ago

    I have 2 accounts that are both in the Hub Ad program but find my overall earnings slightly down from pre Panda days.  I've therefore turned off the HubAd program for a few days but my AdSense earnings are still VERY low in spite of improving traffic.
    
    I'm therefore about to turn HubAds back on.  My problem with Hub Ads is it makes accounting difficult.  You don't know which hubs are earning what and each day I have 3 earnings totals; AdSense in Pounds(£) and two separate figures for HubAds in Dollars($).
    
    I miss being able to look at my AdSense stats for the month and identify the best earners.  Anyone else find this a problem?

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       Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I turned HP off and that was one of the reasons.  I just couldn't stand not being able to see which ads were making money and how much I was making throughout the day.  Funny thing is that my adsense seems better after having switched back.

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    gracenotesposted 13 years ago

    After today, I will have equivalent amounts of time to compare the performance of HP ads and just Adsense alone.  It looks like Adsense alone is going to come out ahead, but just slightly.
    
    If there's very little difference between the 2 modes of earning, I'd prefer to just have Adsense on my hubs.  I'll have the obvious advantage of being able to track their performance on Google Analytics.
    
    I know another hubber's results could be different from mine, and it probably depends on the niches, number of hubs, and individual traffic patterns.

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       Brie Hoffmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I have the same ..adsense is slightly higher and you get to track your earnings...  So HP is off.

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    brandonhart100posted 13 years ago

    I don't see why you'd turn it off... It gives you better performance and allows competition for your ad space which can only be a good thing.
    
    My revenue is up at least 50% since turning it on.

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       shabarigirishposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       HP ads are nothing but google adsense ads with HP's tracking code, I don't understand how adsense ads can compete with adsense ads itself.
       
       Anyhow congrats for your increased earnings.

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    Question:
    
    For the Hubbers who would like to have the HPad program on some Hubs, but not on all, would it not achieve the same effect to move some of the Hubs to a different account?  Then you could have one account with HPads and one without? - Or, would those Hubs (the ones moved) lose rank or Google love (if there is any left in the world for HP) when they are moved?

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    At the moment I don't want to deactivate the hubad program, not even to test it, because it seems it's doing quite well for earning me a nice small chunk of change....

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    Website Examinerposted 13 years ago

    I dare call this thread inconclusive. Maybe someone can explain under what circumstances the program works, and when it doesn't.

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