Whats your opinion about the latest HP blog post by Jason?

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  1. SunSeven profile image62
    SunSevenposted 12 years ago

    If you have not seen the post its here - http://blog.hubpages.com/2011/05/followers-hub-traffic/

    It seem to discuss / declare that the more followers you have, the more traffic you will get to your hubs.

    But the stats displayed stops at a very vague 50+ followers (get 102 hub views per month). There are a lot of members who are with 100+, 500+, and even 1000+ followers.

    What is not clear is that why these hubbers were not considered to do the analysis, and if its done, why it was not mentioned in the post. Anyway you were collecting the data, this must have been easier to give the analytic stats.

    My take on the new post: A feeble attempt at making new sign-ups to get more active at forums, Q & A section, hub hopping, etc., as the seasoned hubbers (well, whats left of them) are critical, cynical, complaining, and at times .... well people, you know what!

    Perhaps they dont want us any more?

    What do you think?

  2. Uninvited Writer profile image78
    Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago

    I am averaging just over 400 views a day for all my hubs. Obviously most of my followers do not read them smile

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 12 years agoin reply to this


      I hear that

    2. SunSeven profile image62
      SunSevenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      According to that blog post you must be getting manifold that! smile

  3. David 470 profile image81
    David 470posted 12 years ago

    I do not think more followers help traffic organically, but may help get hubs indexed better? So perhaps in an indirect way having more followers helps.

    Plus, people may be tweeting hubs or sharing etc..

  4. darkside profile image62
    darksideposted 12 years ago

    Followers = Hubbers = Not What You Call Quality Traffic

    1. SunSeven profile image62
      SunSevenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly! smile So, what is the big deal about that blog post correlating both. I do not understand.

  5. Mutiny92 profile image64
    Mutiny92posted 12 years ago

    people with more followers have been on longer.  Aged hubs typically do better.  I believe the driver is the age of the hubs, not the number of followers.

    1. SunSeven profile image62
      SunSevenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I dont think Jason is not aware of that fact!

      1. Mutiny92 profile image64
        Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I concur...  Your post is spot on about the issue.

      2. Williamjordan profile image58
        Williamjordanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I have to agree the older a good hub gets the more traffic it gets some of the first Good Hubs I wrote get more traffic then new one that I believe are better quality

  6. Greek One profile image63
    Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

    I have almost 250 followers

    That means that get .000000000001 views per follower per month

  7. rebekahELLE profile image84
    rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

    I think it also depends on why people follow you, which can be for various reasons. Definitely not all of my followers read my hubs, but I'm happy for those who do. People are here for different reasons. Some hubbers with thousands of followers don't care about their followers, even stating they they follow only a handful of the very best writers... which sounds a bit smug.. hmm

    I enjoy my followers and read a number of their hubs. I like that aspect of the HP community.
    Traffic has more to do with interest, I believe. Obviously, the more followers you have who follow topics of interest, the more they will read your hubs. Although I have some followers who visit and comment on hubs even though they thought it may not interest them.

  8. psycheskinner profile image84
    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    He seems to be making the basic mistake of assuming correlation implies causality.

    The longer you stay active on hubpages the more hubs you will tend to make, the more followers you will tend to get, the better you will get at writing effective hubs and the more views you will get to each hub.

    The idea that followers cause views directly strikes me as pure nonsense.

    1. SunSeven profile image62
      SunSevenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I totally agree with you.

      I feel, that the blog post is misleading, at best. Lisa made a very good reply to that post when I checked last.

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      EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this


      Not to mention the fact that if you want to achieve even halfway decent traffic (correction, any traffic after the initial burst of interest from within HubPages), you have to be pulling in readers via the search engines, not from within Hub Pages. 

      People who find your hubs via the search engines won't even know how many followers you have, much less care.

      I honestly can't understand the reasoning behind blog posts like the one in the OP.  What exactly was the point?

  9. Daniel Carter profile image62
    Daniel Carterposted 12 years ago

    Erroneous conclusions do not necessarily support facts.

    A huge number of my followers came from a click and a request: "please follow me in return." It was obvious from the start there was no intention to read any of my hubs. And their hubs were questionable in many cases.

    Followers do not equal readers, in my experience. Some readers, yes. But not overall. Followers *can* be an additional networking source. They like your work and therefore, assist in backlinks, actively participating, etc., but they are NOT necessarily the consumer who values your writing and contributes to your income.

    That much is pretty clear to me. The erroneous conclusions that HP is drawing that contests are producing better quality and higher quantity hubs is also remarkably misconstrued, IMO.

    I think the propaganda campaign here is highly over rated, and I'm quite tired of it. The facts are what empower us, not a propaganda campaign.

    1. SunSeven profile image62
      SunSevenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Right said, Carter. smile

  10. darkside profile image62
    darksideposted 12 years ago

    This artificial correlation between cause and effect is putting the cart before the horse.

    No good can come of it. It will only encourage the less... capable, to put the 1 + 1 implied in the blog post and figure that the way to get ahead, is to just get more followers. Mass following/fanning spamming (aka famming) sprees will abound.

    They will lose sight and the meaning of how those who do have more followers came to get them.

    And followers in itself does not guarantee or even imply that you'll get more traffic. It is low quality traffic. Hubbers don't (and shouldn't) click on other hubbers ads. Hubbers don't usually buy items off other hubbers. That's what the rest of the internet audience is there for.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image62
      Daniel Carterposted 12 years agoin reply to this


      1. WoodsmensPost profile image61
        WoodsmensPostposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I don't have an opinion on this topic, or I guess I could fabricate one hmm

  11. IzzyM profile image87
    IzzyMposted 12 years ago

    Well I got the impression he wasn't so much saying that your viewing figures comes from fans, but that the more fans who read a new hub, and appreciate it by linking it on Facebook etc, the more Google is likely to notice that hub.

    An interesting thing about the correlation graph he put up is that it fits my profile. I get 108 views per hub per month on average and I have 50+ fans. He said the average was 102.

    But other hubbers only account for a fraction of my views.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image62
      Daniel Carterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Your observation may be completely accurate. If this is true, Izzy, perhaps Jason's writing could be edited, tightened and clarified to convey exactly that. I don't think a lot of people read it that way. Not pointing fingers at you at all, btw.

      And my comment in light of all that HP presently is doing to actually promote "good, high quality content."

      I guess if the shoe fits...

  12. Mrvoodoo profile image58
    Mrvoodooposted 12 years ago


    1. David 470 profile image81
      David 470posted 12 years agoin reply to this


  13. Lisa HW profile image61
    Lisa HWposted 12 years ago

    I don't know...   I didn't see the post as a big deal, or as saying anything about earnings or high-quality traffic or anything other than than the simple data that seems to point to fewer views for people with a really low number of followers (and probably also people who are either new or else those who don't think there's any reason to get involved in the community at all).

    If there are great Hubs that aren't getting anyone who sees them and votes them up, I'd think that would leave a lot of Hubs in their starting-score range (which isn't going to do much for them outside-traffic-wise).

    Anyway, I just think that particular post got a lot of unnecessary uproar over stuff it didn't say or imply.  I know that just may be my personal reaction to it, so I'm not saying all those "uproar people" are wrong.  Just saying I, personally, didn't see it as a "big, misguiding, deal".   hmm

    (roll):  After I posted I saw that sign above my post.   roll  I'm not being "that person" who doesn't ask questions.  I do think, though, that a lot of people are kind of looking for excuses to find fault with, and criticize, some fairly harmless things/statements/whatever these days.)

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      EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I suppose you're right in a way - in the Grand Scheme of Things, the post *isn't* a big deal LOL. 

      However, it does bother me that new members will read it and get a completely misleading impression of the mechanics of what it actually takes to get traffic (real traffic) to their hubs.

    2. Mrvoodoo profile image58
      Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      LOL, don't worry, I was only messing around. As somebody said that it felt like propaganda. which, for right or for wrong, was sort of my initial reaction to the post too.

      And it wasn't aimed at positive hubbers.  If anything, it was aimed at the way I've perceived a 'lack of positivity' as being used as an easy way to discount conflicting opinions.

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        DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        no you weren't.....  tongue

  14. Mark Ewbie profile image81
    Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

    Hello.  Please to follow me and fan my pages - I need some traffic.  In return I vote you good time in Hubnuggets.

    1. WriteAngled profile image74
      WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      i follo u & fan u if u press buttons & mke my hbs all awsom


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        DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I like pressing buttons.  wink  but only if you press mine too....

        1. Julie2 profile image61
          Julie2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          AHAHA wink

      2. Mark Ewbie profile image81
        Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        u go first. I hv 120 copied and spun hubs to mark up before they get big flag from bad man. then i need sxy fan message from HP auntie.

  15. Richieb799 profile image75
    Richieb799posted 12 years ago

    I could see how having more followers will interlink everyones pages together and could have a benefit in terms of backlinking but other than that I can't see any other reason it would be beneficial to SEO


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