Hub Publishing and Hub Sensoring by Hub Staff

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   Dave Mathewsposted 12 years ago

   I write Religious Christian Hubs. In total I have published about 130 Religious Hub articles in the Religious section. Each hub I write, is totally, purely, inspired from inspiration provided by God. With the exception of Holy Bible Quotations, every word I write, is my thoughts and words. Recently someone at Hub Pages has maliciously withdrawn two of my publicized works, and comments from my readers, claiming that I have duplicated in part or in total someone elses works. This accusation by Hub staff, could not be further from the truth.
   Maybe someone at Hub Pages pushed the wrong button, or something, but I am certain I have not copied or used any text from another writer, except for the various Biblical Quotations.
   I feel that Hub Pages monitoring staff are overstepping their authority. I further feel that Hub Pages monitoring staff is not physically with their own eyes reading and screening Hubs but only doing a scan for key words and not varifying facts.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe you have too many biblical quotes? I don't know what percentage of words will trip the filter, but it looks to me like you may have used too many quotes and not enough 'original content'?
      
      Either that , or Hubstaff are atheists!

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         Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Or God is a plagiarist

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I thought Google was God?

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         Dave Mathewsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         It is not the Bible quotes since Quotations are permitted. They claim that "My Words" are duplications of someone elses words, yet they are not.

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Are you sure about this?
            
            I have one quotes hubs, which quotes famous people's quotes and it was flagged as duplicate, though not unpublished as it was published at a time when duplicate content was allowed.
            
            Thankfully hubstaff allowed my hub and manually took the warning off, but I've never written another because of this.
            
            I don't see biblical quotes being any different from other quotes.

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            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, HP is telling you that the exact same words have been used in other thing written online and too many quotes directly from the bible(and yes I am aware you can quote things, but the quotes CANNOT make up more of the writing of a hub than you own words, which is the point being made).
            
            It is nice you put your own words into a hub. That is good, but when you take quotes and bring them to a hub, then YOU must have more original content than the quotes have words.
            
            You want to quote a piece or section scripture and then explain it in your own words? Feel free, but don't expect to be able to publish it online and not expect it to be considered duplicate or unoriginal content.
            
            There are already millions of sites for the religious and YOU making hubs about the scripture is no different than those sites. There is a HIGH probability you'll use the same words.
            
            Just my thoughts on it.

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            psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Nope. Many modern versions of the Bible are under copyright.  You can quote a bit under fair use--but if you want to quote a lot you need to make sure it is a public domain translation.
            
            Also, you have to expect this will look like duplicate content to the automated system, and send an email to support asking them to remove the warning.

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      Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Got many Holy Bible Quotations?

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         Dave Mathewsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Usually I quote two or three verses from the Bible. Wher I have exceeded more than two or three, In the past they have still permitted them.

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            wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Things have tightened up and changed since Panda.  New requirements are often more stringent than older ones.

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               Dave Mathewsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               
               Nothing of what you say makes sense.

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                  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  NEW RULES = NEW REQUIREMENTS = STRONGER MODERATION
                  
                  What part of Wilderness post did you not understand?

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                  frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Here then, try this Dave - since the Panda update, HP have tightened the rules. If anything they're simply enforcing the existing rules - the no duplicate content rule already existed.
                  
                  Copying and pasting swathes of biblical text is ... duplicate content.
                  
                  Maybe it sucks but I reckon that (to be fair) anyone that quotes text (such as bible verses) is going to take a hit.

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                  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  A year ago a hub deemed duplicate was not one with a bunch of quotations - it was a complete copy/paste from somewhere else.  Few were unpublished because of this particular problem.
                  
                  Since Panda Google has indicated that duplicate content is a major problem and will result in low rankings.  HP has thus taken steps to prevent duplication, including a new definition of what constitutes "duplicate".  The new definition requires a much higher percentage of original content that was previously allowed.
                  
                  I cannot be sure of course, but I suspect that some of your hubs with high rates of quotations are crossing that invisible line and are thus being considered as duplicate and unpublished.  An email to HP should confirm this.

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                  thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Panda is the nickname for a Google update which had a huge negative impact on Hubpages.  Since this update GOogle has implemented many tighter restrictions, including restrictions on duplicate content. The best thing you can do is e-mail team@hubpages.com and ask them to manually review teh hubs and point out that the duplicates are just quotations.
                  
                  around 50% of the article being quotes is too much though.

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            Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            They have changed the rules. No more duplicate content.

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      waynetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It could be a message from God, maybe try and write something new and unique instead of years old bed time story quotes!
      
      Praise the lord!

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         theherbivorehippiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You actually just made me giggle.

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      Jason Menayanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Dave - It looks like those Hubs that were moderated were heavy on the quoting and light on the analysis. I think if you pared down the copied parts (scripture) and focus more on your interpretation as the bulk of the Hub, it should be good.
      
      The moderation emails might have shared additional information as well, so I would make sure you read those carefully.

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         Dave Mathewsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Interestingly enough, all I had to do was to write a new title for the Hub, and it became approved for publication.

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   Some of your hubs seem to be around 50% quotations.
   
   This is probably the reason - a quote is obviously a duplicate and to have half a hub duplicate would probably trip the filters.

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   Daniel Carterposted 12 years ago

   The bottom line is that we don't get to make the rules when write hubs. Rules come from HP and Google. So regardless of your claims, Dave, you're being flagged for duplicate content. And if you are certain that your writings are new, original content, then it can't be anything else, but Bible quotations that's setting off alarms. Apparently there is very little tolerance for quotations of any kind, as indicated by Izzy.

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   Lisa HWposted 12 years ago

   Dave Mathews, you've so often engaged in "solid" discussions on some of my Hubs, I, personally, have no doubt that you're someone who presents his own ideas (except for the "quotes-things"    ).   Things are "setting off automated alarms" for all kinds of reasons these days - not just quoting someone/something else.  Some people have written about something like cancer of one body part or another and tripped filters.  A lot of people e.mail to try to show why there Hub isn't the problem that the automated processes "say" it is.  So, if it's just two Hubs, you could either do that; or else just add some more of your own remarks in to clear it up. 
   
   I never do quoting of anyone/anything, but when it comes to even words I'll use or subjects I'll write about on here, I just stay away from some doing some things because I know it's someone else's site - not mine.  I don't think anyone is over-stepping anything by putting filters in place as a way of trying to improve the site's performance and reputation.  BUT, all the filters can create some challenges. 
   
   Another problem is that people flag/rate Hubs based on not quite always being able to sort out what's "supposed to be" in a Hub and what isn't.  A lot of what might look like "malicious" is often just someone not having a good understanding of what's within the latest rules and what isn't.  It's not for me to say that whatever went on with your Hub wasn't malicious, but there's a really good chance it wasn't that at all.

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   skyfireposted 12 years ago

   Censorship ? Nah. We discussed this change three months ago and it's all about adapting to search engine changes. Excessive quoting surely hurts main domain. So they're enforcing more rules on quote hubs.
   
   If you still think this is censorship then so be it. We lost money on this platform and you're worried about rehashed religious content ? If SEO doesn't make sense to you then you're free to think that folks on HP started to worship silver surfer who is awesomely more powerful than jesus and hence they're removing rehashed religious content as per galactus's order.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   IMHO it should not be difficult, even with this topic, to have 50% or more of the HUB be original.  I mean if people just want to read the Bible, there are plenty of places to do that.

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      R.S. Hutchinsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Best selling book of ALL time in fact!

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   Randy Godwinposted 12 years ago

   Why not merely post the chapter and verse numbers instead of the verses themselves.  Anyone willing to waste their time reading these quotes will almost certainly have a bible or can find one online.  Problem solved, but it does cut your word count down quite a bit. 

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   seanorjohnposted 12 years ago

   Looks like Jason from hubpages has answered this question, Less quotes and more analysis. We can all learn from this.Best of luck.

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   Eric Graudinsposted 12 years ago

   Well of course, this sensoring (sic) of religious posts is a logical progression of the cleanup that is going on all over the internet.
   
   Why should religious topics be exempt from the endless spewing forth of garbage that is choking the internet on just about every topic.
   
   I understand that Jesus himself is so concerned about it, that he is starting a new promotional campaign to get his followers to stop their endless preaching.
   
   Here's one of the leaked posters from the new campaign:
   
   

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      Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well heck...if Jesus says it, that oughta be good enough for Dave!   

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      Urbane Chaosposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Really now, that's a bit too much.  Even though the picture may be humorous to some, it's just not cool.  For someone writing online in a "professional manner", and even promoting a business, I think one could find a better way to represent themselves.  --or, at least, post material that some may find offensive under a different name.  If I was looking to hire someone to help with a website, after a little research, I think I'd go with someone else.

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         Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think Jesus needs your website job! 

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            Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Will you marry me?

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               Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I'll have to become a Mormon first, Susan! 

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    Christoph Reillyposted 12 years ago

    Ha, ha!  Nuff said!

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    Eric Graudinsposted 12 years ago

    Well "Urbane Chaos", so I'm "uncool" ?
    I don't have a problem with that.
    
    In response, I think it's uncool that some anonymous person on a forum presumes to tell me how behave, and how to run my business.
    
    So you think that it's OK to engage in a bit of political incorrectness if one hides behind an assumed name.
    Is that why YOU have one? :-)
    
    I work best with people who have a sense of humour.
    Perhaps posting something like this might work as a filtering process that repels those who think like you.
    And attracts those who don't.
    
    Anyway, thanks for your concern and advice.  But 2 years on HubPages providing assistance and advice and being very politically correct has not resulted in any clients for me, so I don't think that posting this graphic is going to have much impact :-)
    
    regards, Eric G.
    
    (P.S. (A Christian friend of mine thought the cartoon was hilarious)

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       Urbane Chaosposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       My friend, I never said you were uncool.  The subject in the sentence was the picture, not you.  In the right circumstances, the picture is funny, but in this case, not so much.  I'll admit, I got a chuckle out of it, however, thinking of others and how they see this site, I don't think it would be a good representation of things here.
       
       Like you, I also run a business.  I work closely with various places in Oklahoma in order to promote growth and encourage tourism.  Because of this, I have to remain PC everywhere I go.  I don't always like it, but it pays the bills.  But, that doesn't mean that I don't have a sense of humor, it just means I'm more selective about where and when I make an off-color remark.
       
       The point is this: I'm speaking from a business standpoint, and of course, this is just my opinion, but as an entrepreneur writing under my real name I'd be a little hesitant of posting something that could potentially have detrimental effects on business.  A good portion of my business contacts are Christian.  If they saw me post something like that then I know I would lose their faith in me, and their business.
       
       As for me "hiding" under an assumed name, if I knew how to change it without moving all of my hubs, I would.  I've used this name since the days of the old BBS's, 300 baud modems, and DOS (I still  miss DOS), and when I joined here I naturally put it in.  At first, I had no intention of making money here.  Rather, I thought of it as a place where I could host my unpublished articles online.  I would have never figured I'd make decent money here, but I have, and with the backlinks and all it's too late to change everything around.
       
       Either way, it is what it is.. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, this is just mine.

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