Adsense Account Disabled After 3 Years!!!!!!

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   hassamposted 13 years ago

   This probably is one of the worse days of my life, after so much effort I have put online, here I stand with my Adsense account disabled due to invalid click activity. I don't have any clue why this happened! I have been here at Hubpages for more than 3 years and make more than 90% of my earning from Hubpages alone. All this time I had been receiving regular payouts from Google and never face any issues.
   
   I also always made sure of protecting my Adsense account by using a single PC for login and only allowed sites that have my content from the Adsense allowed sites interface. This month I was going to receive my biggest payout as I got a traffic surge after we moved to sub-domain. I experienced a traffic increase of 5 times than what its was after the site was hit by panda.
   
   May be Google considered this extra traffic as means of making invalid click activity. But that is impossible as my eCPM hasn't changed much. Now I have no income source at all I couldn't move to Hubpages Ads earlier as Paypal isn't supported in my country, although I was trying to get somebody abroad to receive payments on my behalf. Now I can't do that either as I DON'T HAVE AN ADSENSE ACCOUNT!!!
   
   It's really frustrating!! I am about to make an appeal to Google, but from what I know and heard it doesn't help much but I still would make an effort. Before doing that I wan't help from all the hubber friends on the site and the Hubpages team too. I know the team here at Hubpages is one of the best and I would really appreciate if they could help me out in this matter as this issue is just an error from Google.

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      xmasdecorationsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      All that I can suggest, if an appeal fails (worth a try though), is that you convert your content to function as sales pages and begin to make money from Amazon instead.
      
      The only problem being that Hubpages is about to exclude many of their own writers from Amazon as a program, because they will only pay by PayPal, making them effectively just as bad as Google.
      
      If you don't win your appeal, and Hubpages doesn't introduce alternative payment methods to include the developing world, then my only suggestion is to move your content to Bukisa, where you have the option of getting paid per impression rather than per click.

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         James Agbogunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The process of moving contents out of Hubpages is now Complex. While you might republish the same content in another site and delete it from HP, HP might decide not to delete it if they so desire.

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      ngurecoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is very worrying. You have put four years of hard work and now you are being told all that work is naught. Seriously, this must be a very risky business!
      
      A sudden increase in traffic 5 times may be sufficient to trigger ‘all is not well’. Also, friends and relatives are very good when they genuinely want to assist you without themselves knowing the consequences of their actions.
      
      If you can get to know what triggered the invalid click activity, then, it would be easier to lodge an appeal with Google.

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         hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yea, the traffic is going up slowly right from when we moved to sub-domains, but most the traffic is organic as my hubs are getting better ranking on Google. The earning also increased proportionally, I have looked at my Analytics and it doesn't give any clues, I will check it more closely today.
         
         Yes, I am aware how friends can get really curious about such stuff and can ruin your hard work quite easily, that is why I never told anybody of my presence online.
         
         I have been checking local news that a large portion of Pakistani bloggers have been hit by Google ban, may be they included me too in this hammering!

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      HubPagesGuyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You're not alone, Google is doing racism by banning Asian publishers. Almost 30 accounts were banned on this website within a week, and all of them were from Asian and Indian continent. http://www.webanswers.com/technology-co … led-6e9972

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         Stephen Crowleyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Unfortunately, and I am in no way agreeing with the action but can see why this may have occurred. There have been an inordinate number of reports to Google about spammers and the majority are chinese or asian in origin. Problem is that Google's seemingly decisive action to ban by country or ip is being confused with the number of accounts that were banned. Lets not raise the racisim flag here at all. It just seems that way. Hassam, try and get footprints of the ad clicks, ask Google. Also, try chitika and amazon though the former choice is better. I have heard that clicksor is ok too. You should be using several sources for your content marketing income streams and not just one. Best to you Hassam.

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            hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, its not really an issue of racism, therefore Google should reconsider atleast those people who have been with them, right from the birth of Adsense.
            
            My primary aim was to generate streams to monetize Adsense and that is what most Pakistanis where aiming at because all other advertisers pay via PayPal which is not supported in our country. I do have a Chitika account, but I never monetized it due to this reason. I am thinking of moving my content to Bukisa and Squidoo, if I don't get my Adsense back as I won't have any other option. HP too won't allow me to earn via their ad program without Adsense.

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      brandasaurposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Hassam. Half of my Blogger friends' Adsense accounts just got banned last month. I dont know why and how, but Adsense gave the same reason like what they told you.
      
      Invalid clicks or fraudulent clicks are sometimes what they only say if they doubt on you if you experience a sudden surge of visitors. They sometimes dont believe that its true and legitimate clicks that they'll just ban you.
      
      That or someone sabotaged you, used auto clicked or just manually did it -- talk about envy friends

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         hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think I was click bombed by someone, I checked the stats. I can't stop the invalid clicks as they can happen quite easily if I am getting quite a lot of impressions daily.

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   psycheskinnerposted 13 years ago

   That sucks.  Good luck with your appeal.  They are sometimes successful if you outline the precautions you took to avoid any problems.

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      hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It really does! I really need some good luck as most people fail to get their accounts back when Google decides it's over.

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   Cardiaposted 13 years ago

   I am so sorry to hear about that! I hope that everything works out and that you get back your account! Please keep us updated.

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   Richieb799posted 13 years ago

   I do sympathize with you, I also have put in a lot of work and I too would be devastated if that happened to me.
   I think they should make more effort to communicate with the account holder when the account is closed.

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   samuiweddingposted 13 years ago

   Sorry mate to hear that. Let us know if you solve this problem. Nobody want these happen.

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   Hassam, I would think that after all the time you have been here, it is very unlikely you would be party to an invalid click activity.
   
   Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of your fellow countrymen.
   
   I read a comment made on here by an Indian hubber who used to post a lot, saying that basically it was accepted practice in India to click on a fellow Indian's adverts as a way of showing solidarity.
   
   I reported the post at the time to Hubstaff and asked them to remove it because Google almost certainly reads here too.
   
   I don't know whether or not it was removed, or even if it was important, because if some newer hubbers feel that way, then maybe a lot of Indians feel the same, and then can you blame Google for banning accounts?
   
   Just saying...
   
   I do sympathise hugely though.

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      hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I took special measures to protect my account. I was doing wonderfully fine here why would I ask somebody to do such a things for me? I know people do that and they get the outcome very soon as Google bans their accounts even before they receive their first cheque.
      
      But it's just really disappointing for me as I always took measures to protect my account. I never told my friends that I publish content online not even my family knows where is my content placed. I never did any marketing just worked on backlinks that too from my own blogs. Almost 90% of my traffic comes from search engines.
      
      Yes, I do receive a lot of traffic from sub-continent but that's only a small portion as most of my traffic comes from America and UK. The eCPM hasn't shown anything alarming on these hubs.
      
      I also stayed away from any discussions here at hubpages as I know people get attacked quite often due to jealousy or difference of opinion. But all this of no use now!

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         Stephen Crowleyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         internet marketing has brought a lot of expert marketers to sites like hubpages but also it has dredged up hordes of total losers too... but, if anything, on the mass bannings, its best for the rest of us who abide by the rules, and on that, I hope you can resolve the issue and get your adsense account back.

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      msivakumarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      IzzyM,
      
      Just a clarification, though not directly related to post - Hassam is from Pakistan and not India. BTW, both are separate countries, though I love us to be united ;-).
      
      And, with respect to the invalid click I am not sure how the story or myth spreads. India is a fairly IT savvy country and they dont need scams to get rich (they do make a lot and can make a lot with outsourcing itself). Maybe Google has enough proof in its hand - I am not sure.
      
      But in this age of IT sophistication (where you can log literally even the keystrokes if you need) why this cloak of secrecy and trying to brand a entire country or countries as a scam oriented one.
      
      Why can't Google just say for every banned account - see, this is why you have been banned. It is because you have violated our TOS. In black and white and clear. Period.
      
      Why they are adamant on not telling the reason behind the ban ? It can save so much of discussions and productivity ....
      
      Simply can't understand ....

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         Stephen Crowleyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         agreed. But the real issue here is that google needs to improve its support when these issues occur. I mean really.... they have a multi billion dollar brand, they can afford to have a dedicated call centre in every nation for good customer service to help with these matters instead of an email that may never be read except for an automated response.

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   Rosie2010posted 13 years ago

   Oh Hassam, I'm so sorry this has happened to you.  That is so scary!  I sincerely hope you get back your account.

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   hassamposted 13 years ago

   Thank You people for your support, lets see what the outcome of the appeal comes out. I would highly appreciate if anybody who witnessed something like this share his experience on this thread, so that it could be of some help to me.

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Despite what I posted I really really do feel for you Hassam, and hope you can get it sorted with Adsense.
      Google really have overstepped the mark. I don't like monopolies, especially ones that stamp on people's livelihoods without a second thought like Google has done to a lot of us.

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         hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I do know that and I have always stayed away from illegal means of income. I always feared this, and now its has happened to me, right when I needed the money, the most!

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      seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Hassam
      
      I am so sorry. I know you must be feel just sick. Although I didn't have my Adsense account banned, a year ago, someone hacked into my email, Adsense, Hubpages, and Amazon accounts. They changed the passwords, the information for a password retrieval, and the banking information. After I secured my accounts, they then started click bombing accounts. It was a literal nightmare.
      
      If you haven't done so already, contact the Google Adsense forum immediately. In the subject, make sure you put your account was hacked. You won't get a Google employee right way. One of the higher level volunteers will have to refer you first. If you don't get any volunteer's attention, make sure you keep posting until you do. Once you have contact, make sure you tell them everything you did to secure your account and any other pertinent information. Don't give up yet. Sometimes, they do reconsider.
      
      For anyone else reading this post, this is why it is important not tell anyone that you make money with Adsense or anything about how the program works. Not only will strangers do this. It only takes one angry bf/gf or jealous relative or friend to ruin all your efforts.
      
      If you get your account back, make sure your password is a tough one to crack...mix in capitals, numbers, and symbols into your password. Do not use any common words. Check your account frequently, and if you even think you have any abnormal click activity, report it on the form available immediately.
      
      This is why I far prefer using Amazon over Adsense. At least with Amazon, you don't have to worry about somebody clickbombing your account as they have to buy something before you get paid for it.
      
      I wish you the best.

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         hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yea, I would be posting in Google forums too. I will be gathering as much info as I can today, so that I could make the appeal in the best way. Hmm!! Amazon is too moving to HP Ads now, and no HP Ads without Adsense. I have now way to earn right now.

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            seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Although it won't help with the Adsense and in the immediate feature, you could start a product website selling Amazon products.

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         Stephen Crowleyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         To quote: "If you haven't done so already, contact the Google Adsense forum immediately. In the subject, make sure you put your account was hacked. You won't get a Google employee right way. One of the higher level volunteers will have to refer you first. If you don't get any volunteer's attention, make sure you keep posting until you do. Once you have contact, make sure you tell them everything you did to secure your account and any other pertinent information. Don't give up yet. Sometimes, they do reconsider. "
         
         yep, and thats an example of a bad customer service operation.
         
         hence, why adsense is about 10% of my marketing income... and i have no intention of increasing that.
         
         try chitika, amazon, infolinks.....there are lots, check the hubs, people here have written excellent articles on passive incomes.

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   QuestionMasterposted 13 years ago

   Recently, many Adsense account holders from a variety of 'high risk' countries (mostly India and Asia) have been getting generic bans for such enigmatic reasons as "Posing a risk to our advertisers".
   
   Seems Adsense is attempting to get rid of accounts in these countries in one fell swoop, even if the accounts have been active for some time and have no real violation issues.

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    sofsposted 13 years ago

    This sounds bad.. I am so sorry about this.. hope you appeal is successful and you get back your account.. Best wishes to you.

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    AEvansposted 13 years ago

    I am so sorry to hear about it. I found a link on the Internet that may help you.
    
    http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/A … p;start=80  It may be of interest. I see an abundance of Chaos going on and I hope they give your account back.

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    ngurecoposted 13 years ago

    They say that if you feel that their decision was made in error, and if you can maintain in good faith that the invalid activity was not due to the actions or negligence of yourself or those for whom you are responsible, you may appeal the disabling of your account.
    
    Perhaps you may want to check this link: http://www.google.com/adsense/support/b … swer=57153

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    Yea, I have checked Google forums which shows Google has hit many legitimate publishers too. An appeal is the only option left, I was wondering if HP staff could be of any help as they ask about website logs and IP addresses. I am not sure if Google Analytics shows about IPs of users, but HP would have some clue about it.

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    msivakumarposted 13 years ago

    Hasam,
    
    Its sad and my sympathies with you. If you are really confident that you have not violated their TOS be ready to persist. Spend time in their help forums, appeal for the reinstatement and try all the possibilities.
    
    The folks in the Google help forum are fairly helpful guys (the volunteers), put your case there, discuss and build up a case.
    
    Hope for the best.
    
    Regards.

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    skyfireposted 13 years ago

    Hassam, there are many other ways to earn online and they have much higher pay than adsense. You can choose between CPA, PPC and other monetization methods for your content. I guess hubpages is not going to be profitable for you without adsense, so good luck.

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    SiddSinghposted 13 years ago

    Right now, the signal to noise ratio is very low about what appears to be a massive purge - figures as high as 90% of accounts cancelled were bandied. What is definite is that thousands of account have been cancelled.
    
    From adsense forums, few possible trends emerge -
    
    >> Tech blogs heavily hit
    >> bollywood based/songs/pictures/wallpapers type of sites heavily hit - they are anyway against adsense TOS because of copyright concerns
    >> sites structure that encourage clicks - probably ad blocks placed next to images etc
    >> plagiarized content
    >> Possibly another reason - users in the subcontinent will immediately recognize this - those Adwords ads promising genuine adsense account for X Rs within N days. How those ads got past adwords QC team (do they have one?)is beyond me.
    >> Another reason - there is apparently a very low level of adwords inventory in Pakistan - with the result that very few, if any, local ads will be displayed on the content network. Now, if the CTR is high even in such cases, there is some reason for doubt - who is clicking these ads, and why?
    
    AS with any purge, there will be a lot of "collateral damage" - hence affecting even those who would be following all the rules. Hassam bhai, gehu kay saath ghun bhi pis gaye!
    
    MAybe, you should lie low for a few days - let this subside with the hope that the really guilty parties will realize that they cannot get it back. Meanwhile, you can gather all the data you need - I hope HP staff are of some help. Your other websites seem to be hosted on/by Orble - will you get access to data there? Apply for a relook in some time.

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    Right now there are many cases from Pakistan being posted on Google forums, I am wondering if my case would receive any attention, I will still try though. It is true that there are dozens of ad programs other than adsense but I haven't heard of anybody earning a significant amount of money from these Ads like if he would earn from adsense.
    
    Even if I go for alternatives I have to build my on website, what do I do of these 600+ well established articles here at hubpages? It really hurts even thinking of putting them down from this site. I thought Adsense developed some confidence in me that is why I never got even any warnings, but this happened so suddenly, I am left wondering that how should I find an alternative to the earnings I got from adsense.
    
    Yes Siddsingh, I have blogs on Orble that run on revenue share, I also have content on some other revenue sharing websites, but just for backlinks I don't get much impressions from them. I also have a flash games blog on blogger but I purposely didn't place adsense on it as I knew Google could get suspicious about it. Unfortunately I have access to only analytics data, and and some basic traffic stats coming from other orble blogs.
    
    From what I have heard so far even the heavy weights having 6-7 year old accounts have also been disabled. You gave a good example though "gehu kay saath ghun bhi pis gaye!" and that is what it seems to be.
    
    I am getting unsure if I should go for an appeal or wait for some time as lot of people must me appealing now. Just wondering if any Hubpages team member would help or not.

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    SiddSinghposted 13 years ago

    I would say, wait for some time, maybe a week, and then apply for a relook.
    
    In the meantime, gather whatever data you can.
    
    Try to contact HP team and see what they have to say.

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    joseph merlinposted 13 years ago

    Salam Hassan Friend I am from Pakistan also , I am not older in adsense and not know much about it. I feel very sorry for you as I know that what will be your feelings at this time.
    
    I also seen daily adsense forum and daily there are claims from Pakistan and Asian countries about disable/suspension of accounts without knowing the solid reason. And appeal also not make strong measure to get your account back. I will also request to HP staff to take in to your matter.
    
    Sorry Friend I am also worried like you I also follow what you say not even tell my best friends about my website , and I am also scared will I reach to my first payout or not ?
    
    As I know there are many persons in our countries who are thinking of becoming reach in one day from the internet and use black ways which makes always suspicious to Google about the activity from our and other Asian countries.
    
    I know other then Adsense not works best for our country also but I will pray that some good output in your case will come.
    
    Sorry to hear about your Account for past three years.

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    IzzyMposted 13 years ago

    Any update on this?
    
    A lot of us are concerned for our Pakistani brothers and sisters who are being unfairly targeted.

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       joseph merlinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes you are saying right because of these bad persons  , the loyal should also punished even they are not involved and they take great care of their accounts but we are been hitting due to some bad scammers who are making wrongly use of the online working.
       
       They think to became rich in one day or in one week which is not possible and Google is now making serious target to Pakistan.

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       hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for being concerned IzzyM, I thought this thread had died! I haven't heard form HP staff also, I am waiting for their reply as they said they would help me regarding the appeal. I thought I could get some information from the hubapges logs so that I could give to Google, but I haven't heard anything today.
       
       I will wait till Monday, to see if I get any reply. Weekend anyway is not a good time to send the appeal. I hope hubpages staff also co-operates with me. I will keep you guys updated on this. Thank you for your support!

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          sofsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Do keep us posted on the developments  as this would help many other hubbers from Asian countries  facing similar issues. Looks like the scenario is not going to continue for sometime from what I see on the internet forums.

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    Hi people, I have submitted an appeal yesterday in the best way I could. Unfortunately no one from Hubpages helped me. I know there is very little chance I would get my account, but keeping my fingers crossed.

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       Rosie2010posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I hope you get your account back, Hassam.

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          hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks Rosie!

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No-one helped you from the staff here??
       
       So much for customer loyalty!
       
       Wishing you all the best Hassam, and fingers crossed for you.

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          hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Nops. They just told me that they would help me regarding questions in the appeal. I asked them about traffic logs or something that might help me. I sent an email again. But no reply! I know Hubpages has grown really big, they have lot more to work on now and I am just another publisher on this website. 
          
          I thank you support and wishes IzzyM, I hope I get it back.

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             sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, hubStaff doesnt seem to be of any use for protecting adsense accounts. I asked for assistance after some unusual activity. They were either unwilling or incapable of parsing the necessary data.
             
             I dont think I even got a response to my followup emails.
             
             Must piss you off to see adsense ads sitting all over your content that is supposed to be unfit for ads eh!

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       SiddSinghposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well, I recall they HAVE helped a few people in the past. Did you ask them nicely?
       
       Good luck with your appeal - I hope you get your account back.

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          hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I know, and I remember the whole episode of one of the hubber. I asked them the best way I could, but like I just mentioned earlier. They are just to busy now!

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       Mikeydoesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry to hear. With 643 hubs, why the heck Hubpages wouldn't help you is beyond me.

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    joseph merlinposted 13 years ago

    Best of luck bravo I hope you will get your account reinstated.Don't lose hope miracle can be done anytime.

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       hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yea, the way Google slammed me, only a miracle could bring my account back.

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    ThomasEposted 13 years ago

    Urgh... I feel very sorry for you.
    
    It's hard to get your account back, but sometimes it happens... sounds like you have done everything you can do.

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    I did a get a reply from Hubpages today. They too didn't notice anything very unusual. Can just hope now, that I get reinstated.

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       lobobrandonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       This is really bad hope you get your account back. Great that HP is willing to help you,

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    habeeposted 13 years ago

    Hassam, I'm so sorry this happened to you! I'm crossing my fingers for a successful appeal!

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    sofsposted 13 years ago

    Good luck to you Hassam.

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    snakeslaneposted 13 years ago

    I've read this whole thread and my heart goes out to you Hassam, and to the many others trying to get the attention of Google in the adsense forum. This is a very harsh way to treat an honest hardworking writer. I wish I could somehow show my support further, but I am new here and not sure what options are available to do that. I see you have the support of established writers here, so I hope that helps, and you can resolve this issue. If it is just some kind of blanket edict with no recourse, then I find this deeply disturbing. Regards, snakeslane

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    Thank you people for all your support! This all I have got right now. The best part of this website has always been the supportive community. I hope, this support could help me get my account back.

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    mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years ago

    You own your own content, so if you delete it from HP in order to move it elsewhere HP cannot choose to leave it visible here.
    
    http://hubpages.com/faq/#whoownscontent

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    Hi people! Adsense has made its decision that they are not reinstating my account. I guess then I have no option left to earn here at Hubpages. Just wondering what should I do with my account and all these Hubs? I am clueless right now!

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       ThomasEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I don't really think it is possible to sell your hubpages, so I would simply try to monetize them through Amazon.

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          MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          That brings up a question that frankly I am too lazy to look for the answer to now...
          
          When HP transfers to amazon payments through HP, will those with no ad-sense option be eligible for the program?

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             SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes - both eBay and Amazon are not linked to Adsense - only HP Ads is.

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                IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I thought you needed Adsense for Ebay, but maybe I got that wrong.

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                   SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Nope - you have to be part of the Hubpages Earnings program - but HP Ads is part of this.
                   
                   http://hubpages.com/faq/#hpeds-epn-signup
                   
                   In particular see:
                   
                   Can I join the eBay Partner Network without joining the HubPages Earnings Program?
                   
                   
                   No, you must be enrolled and in good standing with the HubPages Earnings Program in order to participate in the eBay Partner Network as part of the HubPages Earnings Program. You may disable the display ad portion of the HubPages Earnings Program, in the event that you would like to run the eBay Program only.
                   
                   
                   And then:
                   
                   The HubPages Earnings Program
                   
                   What is the HubPages Earnings Program and how do I sign up?
                   
                   The HubPages Earnings Program groups together a number of revenue-generating opportunities for you to earn from on the traffic to your Hubs, and provides one gateway for us to make payments to you. HubPages has partnered with a number of premium ad networks (through the Ad Program) and other monetization sources (through programs such as eBay and Amazon), which we have access to as a very large publisher. The size, scale and quality of our content allows us to secure large-website ad rates for you. When you opt-in to the HubPages Earnings Program, for your share of impressions on your Hubs, additional advertising and referral opportunities from these sources are available to you.

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                      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      "To further clarify, the requirements for the various programs:
                      
                      HubPages Earnings Program (HEP), the umbrella program/the payment system itself: requires tax forms and PayPal address
                      
                      Ad Program (formerly "HubPages Ad Program"): requires HEP + AdSense
                      eBay Program: requires HEP + AdSense
                      Amazon Program (coming soon): requires HEP"
                      
                      Marina Lazarevic
                      Hubpages staff
                      
                      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86119?page=9

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             IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Guess we cross-posted. Adsense is not a requirement of the new Amazon.
             
             Just looked at Hassam's hubs and they are not going to make good sales pages, I don't think. They are informational.
             
             I have no idea what could be done with them, apart from moving them to his own sites or blogs.
             
             I recently re-activated an old Chitika account and placed some ads on my sites. Despite getting hundreds of page impressions, I have not had a single click.
             
             A little investigation told me the Chitika isn't really worth it unless you are getting thousands of view a day.
             
             Any other ad network comparable to Adsense? Anyone?
             
             Hassam will not only need to rebuild his traffic on his own site, but a monetization method that works would be useful to him.

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                ThomasEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I guess the only way I can see he would be able to effectively monetize with Amazon is via ebooks.
                
                Hassam knows what hubs produce the best traffic for him, but if he wrote a 5000 word booklet on the subjects, he could easily monetize the articles that way.
                
                That's all I can suggest.
                
                I'm not even sure it is within the rules.

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I am so very sorry to hear this Hassam.
       
       You do know that under the new Amazon program, having Adsense is not going to be a requirement?
       
       Have you got a lot of sales hub? Can your existing ones be converted?

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          hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          It is awful! Yes, I can use Amazon without Adsense, but I don't think they would generate good income. I will give it a try though!

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       Stephen Crowleyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Google adsense alternatives, many exist.
       could try bukisa with chitika, move all your articles to bukisa and add chitika.
       just a suggestion.
       Amazon, yea, just needs more work.
       The only advice really is not to ever depend on one source of income and most defintely if its adsense. adsense for me is a small percentage of my income,no real loss if i lose it.
       Try selling services, use estores on squidoo, try the ebay traffic program.... many alternatives.
       or use another bank account for another adsense account.

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    That stinks, hassam!  Majorly stinks!  I am so sorry you were not reinstated, and I can only imagine what you have been going through since you were first notified - and now this....
    
    I don't know enough about this (following), but I do know that in your Hubs you can link to other affiliate programs that you join (separately from those you join through HP).  I don't know whether the work involved would pay off for you, but since your Hubs already exist - and presumably are receiving traffic - it might be worth investigating.  As one example, I am an affiliate for a music-seller (a lot of my Hubs are about music), and so I have posted some links to that site on a couple of my Hubs, where appropriate.
    
    I am really not good at monetization of Hubs, though, so I'm not the best person to even make this suggestion - it's just a thought for something you might look into.
    
    You do have to be careful, of course, about the number of links per Hub; and you have to make sure that you don't link primarily to one domain across your entire account.  I think that would mean that you would need to join several different affiliate programs, in order to make this work.

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    Thank you everybody for sharing my grief. I am terribly shaken right now. I was looking at the other options, I can't use ebay because it requires an Adsense account to get approved in the Ad program here at Hubpages. That leaves me with Amazon, which I didn't try earlier primarily because it uses Paypal as a method of payment.
    
    Yes, you are right IzzyM my Hubs are mostly informational in nature, may be I can only sell some books if I use Amazon in them. But I don't think I can generate enough sales to be able to reach a payout every month like it was with Adsense.
    
    Chitika was good earlier, now I hardly gives me any click on my blogs. Making a new website requires a lot of time, I thought I would put my content on different revenue sharing websites, that would be the safest thing to do, but it didn't turn out quite what I was expecting. Even if I build a new website, I don't think I can promote the same domain across all my Hubs.
    
    Some one told me in the other forums that I can use some one else's Adsense ID on my Hubs, I don't know if that's allowed I think he might get banned too!

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       ThomasEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think it is just about possible, but I really don't advise it. If for some reason they have a problem with your hubs, then it might easily get their account banned too.
       
       Amazon doesn't use paypal, they send you a check.

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          hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I am not sure about this too, they said  that I pose a threat to Advertisers of invalid click activity, that means my publisher ID is in question. I think it might have not been an issue if Hubs weren't move to a sub-domain. Now that my Hubs are in my sub-domain, Google might ban the other account too.
          
          I think I have to take a re-look at Amazon then.

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             IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             HP are moving us all to their Amazon program at the start of the year and payments will be through Paypal. Can you get paid by Paypal in Pakistan?

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                hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                No, I can't but I can get my brother to receive payments on my behalf, he lives in U.A.E and Paypal is allowed there. But Paypal has some serious issues when it comes to getting verified and linking a debit card.

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    wildernessposted 13 years ago

    What about something like Squidoo?  I don't understand how their payment works there, but it doesn't seem like you need adsense as your income is based on some silly ranking of your lens.
    
    If not, aren't there other sites that use adsense and pay based on adsense income to the site but don't require an adsense account?

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Squidoo are doing really well just now. That might be your answer Hassam, if they pay you a share of their earnings rather than expect you to earn your own, like here.

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          ThomasEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          But you need paypal... and the way they work out what to pay you is downright weird.

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       hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes I was checking Squidoo too, it is the only website I think that doesn't require a publisher to have his own affiliate IDs. But their ranking system looks confusing and it is quite difficult I think to get your page indexed compared to Hubpages. I published an article there some years back and than brought it back to Hubpages.
       
       Associated Content is another good website but only open for U.S citizens. Suite101 suffered a big blow from Google few months back and its traffic has really died.

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    mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years ago

    You can make good money from affiliate links too, although you might struggle on HP because they only allow certain ones and then only 2 per hub. There is also the added problem they won't release a formal list of which affiliate links are allowed or not allowed, so most people here have to take a guess, only knowing for sure that Clickbank is not allowed (plus one or two others whose names escape me right now as I never used them). You could set up your own website though and then you can put more than 2 on each article and use Amazon.

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       hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well, I never tried affiliate marketing, but now I think I should keep all options open. Hubpages rules have gone stricter, I think the same links wont be allowed across all Hubs.

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          mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I have heard Shareasale and Linkshare seem to be okay here, but have not tried these myself. Other Hubbers are using the links without issue though. You can also use Amazon or Smashword affiliate links (ebooks) without problem as I have used these myself.

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             hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Are the Affiliate marketing programs really worth it? You have given my a good list to things to explore, but do these programs really offer good earning opportunities by adding them to my Hubs?

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                sofsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I really don't have any suggestions to offer, but I honestly wish you the very best and pray that you will find the right way through all this mess.

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                mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Well it took me a while to get my first payout with Clickbank when they were allowed links, but I did get $196 when it did, which took about a year of adding the links randomly to certain relevant hubs (hitting payout from Adsense took longer than a year), and of course these were only for ebooks (on Clickbank). You can have affiliate links to bigger and more expensive products too if you join other affiliate programmes. I am thinking that much like Adsense it takes time and patience to see rewards. Certainly people do well if they don't mind writing promotional articles, e.g. write a hub on greenhouses and insert affiliate links to sell a specific greenhouse. This is just an example, but one sale of a significant and expensive product can bring you in a really good commission rate.

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                   hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Thanks for sharing your experience. It also took me almost a year to reach my first payout with Adsense, but now I have a lot of Hubs and good amount of traffic, I think I can do better if this is the case. However I have to tweak my Hubs to be a little promotional like you said, in order to earn something significant from this affiliate programs.

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                      Susana Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Forget using clickbank with hubpages - it's not allowed.
                      
                      Here's a list of other affiliate networks you might want to try: http://sunforged.hubpages.com/hub/Top-T … h-Hubpages
                      
                      From looking at your titles I think it's going to be hard to find affiliate products to fit for some of them, but you could strike gold with a bit of lateral thinking.
                      
                      Think about what type of person would be searching for that particular information. Once you have an idea about who is visiting you can find products geared to them.
                      
                      For "types of chicken" I would add a selection of chicken coops from amazon.
                      
                      For "types of erosion" I would try and find study aids for high school students or lesson planning products to teachers.
                      
                      For "types of autism" I would look for books on parenting a child with special needs.
                      
                      It's going to be a lot of work to do this for all of those hubs but I can't see another way, unless you move them all.

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                         mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         It's okay Susana, I did make it very clear in my earlier comments to Hassan that Clickbank was no longer allowed, I just said it used to be good, but other affiliate links would have to be used as alternatives now. I didn't tell him to use Clickbank

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    mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years ago

    Just in case you can utilize this, I found this link in another thread, and apparently it is supposed to be a good earner, although I personally know zilch about it, good or bad. You might want to look into it though:
    
    Quoted from Silver Rose:
    
    "BTW on the subject of diversification. Chris Guthrie mentions that Vibrant media outperforms Adsense:
    
    http://www.makemoneyontheinternet.com/b … results-2/
    
    May give it a try on my own sites."

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       hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Looks like these are text-link ads, I already have some of my earning eaten up by Kontera, don't know about this ad program.

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          IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I thought Hubpages pulled out of Kontera ages ago?

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             hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, its long gone, they were quite a scam to me and probably many others. It was a bad experience with text-link ads.

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          LeanManposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hassam, with the amount of content that you have you should build a couple of your own sites and moneterise using other ad programs, there are several you could use and a quick search for adsense alternatives will give you a list pretty quickly.
          Here on HP you are pretty much a website in your own right now with the subdomains... but you can't use alternative ways to make money unlike a simple wordpress site..
          Go for it, I have read a few stories of people that have left adsense and done so much better for themselves. (just wish I had kept the links..)

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             lobobrandonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Hassam lean mans absolutely right. Go ahead and try using adbrite or something else to monetise your sites.

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             hassamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             It's easier said than done! There are quite a lot of issues when taking my articles down from here and publishing else where, it is not about the work load, it is about the reputation that the articles have earned on search engines. I would rather built new articles somewhere else on the same niche working for me right now and use existing Hubs for driving some of the traffic to them. I think that is the best option for me now!
             
             Mean while like the other Hubbers said I could monetize my Hubs with Amazon and affiliate links and I hope that someday Hubpages would remove the Adsense requirement for us to earn and I could cash on my articles again.
             
             That is the only thing I feel would be best for me right now!

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                IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Best of luck whatever happens Hassam
                
                Personally, I think you have the right idea. Start your own site and write stuff afresh, and use your incredibly powerful HP account for backlinks.
                
                Who knows what will happen in the future.The internet is changing rapidly, and what is hot today may change tomorrow, and there may well come along another monetization method that is even better than Adsense.

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                lobobrandonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Good idea, do that atleast your new site will have incoming traffic as well as back links

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