I am a very patient person, some of my friends think I am too patient:
I have written 21 hubs, I began in November 2009. Exactly 2 years ago.
I have had 8,900 page views.
I was away from hubpages for a few months and now am physically able to continue my writings but......
Now, my earninngs report only starts in October 2011. I don't know why.
I have accumulated TOTAL earnings of $0.85.
I constantly read hubs, on hubpages, about writing and perhaps making a small income on HUBPAGES. I am beginning to think that this is a mis-truth.
so if 8,900 page views can yield an average of $0.85 , it will take me about 6 years and 126 hubs to make $5 dollars.
I would understand if I was such a bad writer.......I must be, but is there only $0.85 benefit for almost 9000 page views?
I have enjoyed very much the 'spirit' of hubpages and would really like to continue my writing here.......this is a wonderful forum for those of us who enjoy writing ....but perhaps hubs about making a little money are not really drawing a true picture...
I have about the same number of hubs and I made $12 this month with hubpages' ad program alone.
Do you have the ad program on or are you just using adsense?
I think you need to take a look at Google Adwords Keyword Tool (just google for it) and search for less competitive topics.
It's actually not that hard. Find keywords with some decent traffic (1000 to 15000 global monthly), that have little competition (less than 1,000,000 search results), and do a little bit of promotion to get google's juices going.
I don't know if you'll find anything easy to write for within the same style of hubs you have right now. Language-wise, most common languages I've done keyword research on only have a few left good keywords, which are almost always about automated translators. Weight loss wise, it might take you hours to find a good keyword.
Switch to something more niche, like maybe a Spanish or Latino tradition or recipe.
Hi Rising Caren,
thanks for your reply! I believe I DO have adsense, (it says 'active' on my statistics page)
I understand I will just have to work harder at the whole thing.....it's going to be a project of a life-time....thanks for your advice. I will start to work on all the tips and advice everyone has been so kind in giving.
Well I figured you had adsense since you said you earned some money and it's not like you can sign up for Hubpages' ad program without adsense (you can't).
I was just wondering if you had JUST adsense or if you had both Adsense and HP's ad program. In My Account -> Earnings, under "HubPages Earnings Program Settings", where it says "Ad program", see if it's active. The Ad program is better than adsense - at least for people who aren't good at getting clicks - so you want to make sure you're signed up for it.
I think less patience and more writerly elbow grease is what would best remedy your situation.
I have 3 times the number of hubs & my HP ads are around $24 so far this month. My traffic has been much higher, but certainly not sky high. I don't write about 'targeted' topics - just write what I feel like. I've applied some tips as people have suggested here - done a bit of keyword searching etc. I'm sure others could make a lot more than I do. I hardly make anything from adsense or amazon though - never really did, as I haven't written product hubs.
I agree that many of your topics are very high competition, so probably never see the light of day.
It's not necessary quantity of hubs either - some hubbers seem to earn extremely well with only a modest number of hubs (up to a few hundred). They seem to have knack of choosing topics that rank well - probably because low competition
Do you have an Adsense account? Do you have an Amazon account? Do you have an Ebay account? The HP earnings program is relatively new so you would not see earnings from 2009.
Earning depends on how much outside traffic you get. 8900 views over 2 years is basically nothing I'm sad to say.
I agree with UW. The HP earning program only opened up to all hubbers this past April (I think).
In order for the views to count there has to be outside traffic. That .85 you saw are from external traffic to HP.
Hi, Uninvited writer; yes, I do have Adsense, e-Bay, Amazon; at least 'Status' reads 'Active' so is that what you mean?
Thanks for letting me know my page views were so low! I had NO IDEA! This is really useful info and has helped me get my ambitions into perspective....Thanks again
What earnings program do you use? If you use HubAds, then you should have earned more than that given your views.
That said, that's very few views. You might want to write more hubs and kind of add more to your writing portfolio. Also, check hubs that aren't receiving very much traffic and see what you can do to improve them. (Add HubPages to your Google Analytics and keep an eye on things there.)
I read your hub on quitting smoking and while it looked well-written, the quit smoking niche can be a tough nut to crack... same with the weight loss niche. They're high paying niches, but, sadly, everyone and their grandma are writing weight loss articles.
You could try finding some keywords that you can easily "ace", so to speak. That way, while everyone is going after things like weight loss, you can apply your writing skills to some of the less competitive niches and totally just own them.
Try these particular entries in the learning center:
http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/long … ch-traffic
If you'd like to peruse the index of the learning center, just head on to:
Also, since keyword research can be a pain, one thing I find VERY valuable is the weekly topic inspiration:
http://hubpages.com/forum/1 (It's one of the blue colored topics, this week's is on de-cluttering and home improvement)
Within the weekly topic thread, a HubPages staff member shares some keywords that she handpicked. You don't HAVE to get a hub done within the week, either. I'm ALWAYS late on the weekly topic inspiration. And, of course, if the topic of the week bores you to death, you can always skip it or do a past week's inspiration topic.
Just find more keywords and have fun with it. It can be stressful finding things to write about that are both interesting and have an earning potential, but it can be done.
I'm sorry to hear that it hasn't panned out thus far. It seems that traffic seems to be your issue, from what I saw you seem to have good writing skills. Just keep at it.
Best of luck and let me know if you need anything.
Hi, melbel, thanks for a WEALTH of information in your reply that will take me some time to get through! But in the meantime, I was wondering if you would know why in the "Earnings reports" under "All time" my statistics begin on October 28th 2011, and apparently there has been a trickle of a few cents each day...
Yet on the Statistics of Hubs with all info about my hubs, traffic, page views etc., it shows November 2009 as publication of first hub. Just wondering why SUDDENLY in October, 2011 something changed dramatically....and my 0.85cents literally can be traced back to this last month only,and surprising every day, albeit very little per day,,,any thoughts?
Hi melbel again,
I think I need some more advice! When I try to access info on adsense, a window keeps appearing where I must confirm my details, I seem to tick all the boxes again and again regularly, probably monthly.....I always get a reply:
Thank you for your interest in Google AdSense. Unfortunately, after
reviewing your application, we're unable to accept you into AdSense at
We did not approve your application for the reasons listed below.
CANNOT FIND WEBSITE- INVALID URL
however, I always give what I assumed was the URL as it appears on my profile page inthe address box :
so am I NOT signed up to Adsense, even though it says "active" in my settings??
thank you so much for any advice you can give!
This is pure guessing and speculation on my part, but I'd wonder if the problem could be a matter of a combination of having only a few Hubs, apparently being inactive for a long time, and having those relative few Hubs about subjects for which there's a lot of stuff out there already (and stuff that's provided by more authoritative/expert sites than HubPages). Losing weight, the learn-Spanish-related Hubs, and quitting smoking are all subjects about which tons of stuff by experts is out there. Basic medical issues (like weight loss and quitting smoking) are generally covered by medical-related sites (or else by companies aimed specifically at products in those areas).
The Hubs and forum posts that tell others they can actually earn something on here are not inaccurate. People can and do earn.
If I'm at all correct on what might be causing such low traffic I'd think it could be fixed by:
Writing some more Hubs, and generally being active (as opposed to being completely inactive) on this site (nobody has to be on the forums all the time, and nobody has to read and comment on "zillions" of Hubs).
Maybe aim for subjects that aren't covered by more expert/authoritative sites, or else approach those subjects with the idea of what you, personally, can bring to the subject (as opposed to a more generalized, overall, approach to something like losing weight). I pretty much think if you're competing with authorities/experts then the only way to do that is to approach the writing in a way that offers something more unique. ("Different" doesn't have to mean "conflicting with research" - only with a unique perspective.) (Because I don't even know if I'm correct about the OP's traffic situation, I'm not - at all - suggesting deleting the Hubs and starting over. I'm only saying I'd approach new Hubs differently than some existing ones. In fact, I'm wondering if adding new Hubs with the idea of adding something different/unique on a subject that's not quite as commonly covered might then bring more traffic to the existing Hubs.
Another thought: If you think about, it frequently takes people some months before earning (eight months is common, for example). Of 24 months (two years), that would leave only sixteen months beyond that first eight. Out of that sixteen, there was a six-month Panda slap on the whole site, so now we're down to only ten months when the OP might have expected to earn much of anything. After Panda, what Google was looking for changed in a lot of ways; and it's only been - what - about three months since the "slap" was lifted? Now we're down to seven "unaccounted for" months. I'd think, given apparent inactivity, so few Hubs, and the high percentage of well covered subjects; that seven months of no-earnings wouldn't be all that surprising.
Whether or not I'm correct about my guesses, I'd say the OP should know that people can/do make money on here, and that reading the links provided by melbel would be a good place to start from now on. Any existing, well written, Hubs aren't likely to hurt anything (I wouldn't think); but some new ones that might be more likely to attract traffic might mean the OP's subdomain would offer a little more "uniqueness" to the mix of Hubs.
In any case, there are always people on the forums here who are willing to try to help with answering any questions, so that can be helpful to some people. Other than that, keeping writing is pretty much the way to earn (or at least keeping writing until you have more than twenty-one Hubs built up). I've read (in a "reliable source") that there's been a correlation seen between having fifty or more Hubs and getting more traffic.
Hi, Lisa HW, thanks for commenting so extensively....I am getting to work on all of your suggestions...and now realise that my few hubs are an insignificance. I didn't realise that before, so it's been greaat to get a realistic picture from you more experienced hubbers...just wondering why my Earnings reports starts at October 28th 2011, and shows a trickle of daily earnings which all add up to my $0.85. So $0 for 2 years and then $0.85 in 30 days..However, I really understand now that I must keep writing and enjoy the moment! "Carpe Diem" as they say...
Aside from the good advice others have mentioned above, earnings are not necessarily linear.
I have almost 300 hubs now. Some have never had views since they were first written. Others still get visitors every day.
At my main web site, I have thousands of articles, but it's mostly the same handful that make money every month. The rest do not.
You can't always know what will be a winner and what won't. The advice above is good general advice, but sometimes something that shouldn't do well just takes off and vice versa.
There are people who are very good at picking "winners". I'm not one of those folks, but I still get some through dumb luck now and then. You may be better at it than I am (I hope so!) or worse. My best advice is to keep on plugging.
Thanks, Pcunix, for a note of realism.....the mysteries of HUBPAGES never ceases to....
I agree Pcunix It is very very hard to pick winners. The evergreen hubs I have got you would never have picked them in a month of Sundays but they continue to outperform all others rain hail or shine...
I don't know if anyone read your hubs. I did. None of them are optimized for SEO so it is highly unlikely that they will get to the first page of Google. The topics you have selected are also highly competitive as there are many language schools who teach the same thing. If people are searching to learn Spanish, then the search engines are more likely to bring up language schools. Your articles are probably on page 3071 and, if they are, they will never see the light of day.
Hi Sophi Angelique,
thanks for helping out here....you really humbled me on saying "your articles are not optimized for SEO". I could not agree with you more, they are certainly NOT!! After 'googling' SEO, I find 'Search Engine Optimization'. I have got a lot of work to do here, I see. Thanks again.
Try and pick topics which you think would display profitable ads, for example, if you write about technology, you will have a lot of ads displaying expensive items.
Advertisers pay more for these types of ads.
Well, for a start you will need a few hundred hubs to get a monthly payment, and that assumes they are well-optimized and fully monetized.
Well folks, I don't know what it is that gets me the $$$ I get, because I don't really know anything about keywords, and SEO. However I have made a "few" $$$, nowhere near the $$$ that most make. Anyway for some reason this year I started to see more Google hits. I've been here over 2 years, so maybe it takes time for the hubs to "marinate." I've made two payouts for Google, and one for HP, and I'm set to make payout monthly with HP Ads. Believe me when I say this, I'm nowhere near the top when it comes to writing the type of hubs that would garner great readership. It took me all this time to get over 100,000 views, when some get it in months, or at least in one year.
So all I can say is write, and wait patiently, because it will come. Of course you should follow the advice of the hubbers that are making big $$$, and you'll probably make it quicker, and I might add, a whole lot more than I make.
NOW, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS!
Hi Fastfreta, thanks for commenting and helping me out here....no, it sounds as if it's not that easy at all...but you sound as if you are working hard, just as I will be now! I love to think I get to know a few like-minded folk out there and have this opportunity to get good advice and connect up. Thanks for comments.
You don't know the name of the game. You fell for the pitch.
Make Big $$$ on the Internet . . . I got your ticket right here!
cartoon: Chip Curry (copyright 2011)
You get 3,000 people slinging words all day and divert the search engine. You sell ads. You split with word slingers when and if someone clicks the ad. If it were for quality writing, writer would get a piece of what the advertiser (client) pays to place the ad on your page. A million visitors = 1,000,000 visitors = no $ without clicks. Clicks = $. Sales from eBay or Amazon = $. Everything else is wind up your booty. Get together with your buddies and click ads for each other. Your hub could be about how peanut shells absorb dripage in your shorts . . . minimum words, no pictures, no hub karma, no back-links. Now go write about 200 hubs about sports cars and put max eBay capsules. Maybe someone will sell a Ferrari and you will make $20.00.
Read this article. Biggest botnet scam ever!
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news … ackers.ars
Hi WD Curry 111
Now, now, don't get cynical, WD! Remember,it's all about quality writing and interesting articles...But thanks for commenting and I will bear everything you said in mind.
I'm just fooling around. My hubs are some of the best one's on here. I have been working in publications for over thirty years as an artist and a writer. In a print publication, you get paid for quality writing. Here, you hope you do. You simply don't get paid for the content, hello?! It helps to attract readers, but the readers must then actively participate by clicking ads or buying products.
I am not into social networking, it don't float my boat. I am a production specialist and trainer. I know social networking fiends, it is like an addiction, and you can make "bank". I put a couple of them up to an experiment, "Blitz your network with check out what Chip is doing on HubPages." I had more traffic in two days than I had in 6 weeks . . . way more . . . way, way, way, more. They have some juice. I guess I made $2 or $3. Next time I will ask them to have their minions click on all of the ads and see how that goes. My buddy who just got laid off from NASA joked about writing a program to click ads. These guys beat him to it. KGB are broke so they fattened up with this little deal.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news … ackers.ars
My point is this. If you were being paid for quality content you would be paid by the word or by readership (per visit). You would be paid for the number of people who see the ads, not just click them. You aren't. Get that click, write about pancakes and sell maple syrup.
I love the story how God Is Watching Us..FROM A DISTANCE became a hit. A lady sold herself out to Companies providing airline music. Bette Midler heard the tune and from there the rest is history. Yes realisticly you won't make much to begin with but it you are a true artist this site will advertise That. And who know WHo may read it.
I've been here for 3 weeks already. Google adsense doesn't approve of my application. I have to wait for a year and show Google that I am passionate about writing. My advice for you is to stop depending that you'll earn big bucks here.
I think everyone here knows that earning a good amount depends on Adsense. That is just how things are configured.
Why should someone stop hoping to make big bucks here? Why limit yourself. Of course it will take some time to make some good money and it will take the right types of hubs that will bring the right amount of traffic but it's doable. I have made nowhere near what people like Relache is making but I get a check every month since the start of 2012. I see the potential for making even more than I am making now as some of my hubs haven't even started aging as yet. I do nothing for 3 weeks and come back to find two of my hubs, one written early this year to have started getting 50+ views per day and one written less than 2 months ago getting 20+ views per day. That to me means progress as the potential for them to grow is huge. These are just examples.
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