What do authors in hubpages hate about other writers in hubpages?

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   Jynzlyposted 11 years ago

   
   I still consider myself new here and per observation, there is an existing bias by writers here in terms of giving comments and responses to the write ups.

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   WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

   I do not understand what you mean by "existing bias".
   
   As for what I hate, I hate "writers" who churn out spun text or vacuous fluff on topics they think will make them the most money. It is because of those people, that we have all lost views, income and kudos with Google.

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      EmpressFelicityposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Favouritism?

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         Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What's funny on your "favouritism?" I don't really care about favouritism. Integrity, authenticity, and honesty are virtues; insensible favouritism for money or other benefits is for fools r idiots.

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            EmpressFelicityposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I don't like favouritism any more than you do, but "existing bias" is an unusual way of phrasing it, assuming favouritism is what you meant by it.
            
            Don't know if you're interested but long ago I gave my own term to the phenomenon you're describing - "mutual grooming".
            
            There is always going to be a large group of people for whom social networking and public displays of "making nice" are way more important than anything else, including objectivity and integrity. You can't change such people and it's pointless trying.
            
            God, I sound like a miserable cow today.

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               Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               EmpressFelicity,
               I understand what you mean; I know that it's a normal thing for average people to be "gullied" in order to get their favor, whether in social networking or in real life situation. You have to go along with the culture or ride with the bandwagon otherwise you will be "anti social" and suffer the consequences;I agree that you cannot change the majority; Thank you for the thought.

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      Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That's exactly what I mean about "existing bias". I notice that no matter how shallow or "vacuous" a hub is, there are still many followers and commenters and it is for money. Most of the topics are just copies or a modification of existing articles; the bias comes from other writers.

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         rmcrayneposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think you’ll find that it doesn’t matter if the hub is written for money or pleasure, the comments bu hubbers on the site are overwhelmingly complimentary.  I appreciate the helpful, nurturing spirit of this, but it doesn’t really “grow” anyone.
         
         On occasion, when I feel I “can’t let something go”, I try to write my feedback in the kindest, most polite and respectful way possible.  Such comments are poorly received at least half the time.  The comments are often deleted, or the hubber will run to the forum and cry that they were “attacked” by “horrible” people on their hub.

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            brakel2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I found a profile and hubs about two weeks ago with the worst grammar and spelling I have seen. I flagged them, of course, but wish we could sift through them more quickly. Some of the hubs had positive comments. The site is better than in the past, I think with fewer errors.

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            Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            rmcrayne,
            Thank you for such thought; actually, the feedback I get here in this forum are confirmations of my observations and now I understand why things are happening the way they are here. You have to appear nice in order to receive favor and get the blessings of the majority...doesn't matter what you write.

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               brakel2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Do views by other hubbers count in HP earnings? Some people get lots of comments, I agree, very nice comments. I try to only comment if I like the hub and point out the positive points in the article - like easy to read, well organized, good research. Those comments are genuine.

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                  Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  brakel2,
                  Actually, I don't expect everybody to like or enjoy my writing as I know that only few can get my point of view. Most comments I get are "very true", "very deep" and this is only when the readers sees the hidden nuggets of wisdom as integral parts behind the personal level application which I intend to use my own experience to prove my point. My writings are not just well-researched; I am an authority because I studied them for years and earned degrees and honors for such wisdom to share...I share wisdom, not mere information because I am an advocate of the three types of minds which are...small minds dwell on gossips or talk about people; average minds talk about news, incidents and information; great minds talk about ideas, concepts and wisdom...In one million there is only one genius and he is always mocked until the ordinary minds actually see the evidence. In my 1,000 students, only one is a valedictorian or a cum laude...

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            EmpressFelicityposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I can't for the life of me understand why people do this - I mean, it's not as if the original commenter is going to read the forum post and say, "You know what, you're right! I am a horrible, mean barsteward!"
            
            No, they're more likely to say "what a whinger!"

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               rmcrayneposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               The hubber who runs to the forum crying usually gets tons of sympathy.  Not knowing “the rest of the story”, and not able to see the actual comment/s, the supporters seem to take the whiner at face value of what they said (they believed horrible people left nasty comments).  At least this has been the case in the occurrences that I have been directly and indirectly involved with.  These are hubbers who were given tons of good advice, which seemed to fly right over their head.

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   readytoescapeposted 11 years ago

   Have to agree, most of the hubs posted here lately are vacuous at best. Zero information, no opinion and no basis in creativity or writing skill. The majority I have seen are nothing more than really bad AD copy shilling links to crap products or scams.

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      rebekahELLEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not seeing that on my feed. I wish I had more time to read some of the excellent hubs being published. None of them are in reference to products.  I guess it depends on where you look.
      
      In reference to the OP, that's the nature of humans. You'll find it anywhere online where people can express opinions. But I have found with the topics I follow a great group of considerate writers.

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      IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Guess you're looking at Hubs ~> latest. In which case, I'd have to agree with you, but then it has always been the same. There are at least 20 poor hubs published here for every decent one.
      
      The ones in my feed, for example, are fine and worth reading

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         Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         IzzyM,
         Yes, what I consider worth-reading are those hubs with originality and expressed uniquely. Many "How to's" are actually non-sense, they are practical and common sense things to do...but these are the hubs that would generate income because they are supported by many.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I have a very simple hub on how to write a check. It gets the most traffic from Google as any of my other hubs Obviously there is an audience for those who want to perform practical and common sense tasks.

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            IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            How To hubs are actually what this site is built on - the 'everyday experts', that's us, Joe public.
            
            What Hubpages doesn't want are hubs that are so personal they are of little help or interest to anyone outside of the writer's own family/friends circle.
            
            This is not a blogging site. This is an article site where we should be writing evergreen content that will be of interest to many for years to come.
            
            Titles are all-important (as well as content obviously).
            
            I found a hub in the hopper entitled something like "How to Attract these little Beauties into your Garden". It had a picture of butterflies, so I guess that's what he/she meant, but online you have to say what you mean for searchers. He should go substitute 'little beauties' for 'butterflies' or even 'beautiful butterflies' if he ever wants search traffic.

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               Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               IzzyM,
               That is the reason why I am not surprised if I got less followers and zero comments; in the first place I just like to write and not very much concerned with traffic, at least not yet. I know that I write personal matters because all my hubs are philosophical where universal laws are integrated into the depths of humanity. My writings give value to the "creator" rather than the "creature"...in this sense, there has to be a human being to illustrate as an example where these universal laws can apply; and I can only cite myself as an authentic example to prove that what I am saying works for me and might also work for anyone.
               But I also understand that most people don't see it that way. What they like to read are those that you can read anywhere and just rewritten in different manner.

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                  Website Examinerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I find that to be an incorrect statement. There are many Hubbers who write highly original content and receive lots and lots of comments from their numerous followers. Some random examples are WillStarr, Sunnie Day, and Martie Coetser.

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                     Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Website Examiner,
                     You are right, there are a few very significant writers here who can both write with such originality and beauty at the same time and I really applaud them; it doesn't really matter to me whether people would be interested to follow my writing or for having many comments because it is a normal thing for the general public to look for things that they are familiar about. I am just testing waters here; I might one day write according to what the majority like to read but for the mean time...(I still consider myself new here)...I will just content myself in writing whatever comes into my mind in a given time. What is also disturbing is when you see, real vacuous and nonsense write ups that receive "awesome" or other nice comments which are really brow-raising.

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                        Website Examinerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Agreed, Jynzly. I am glad you give credit where credit is due. But there is a lot of thin material that receives shallow support, you are right about that. I hope you will succeed with building a strong audience for your writing.

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                           Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Website Examiner,
                           You are one of those I consider reliable in Hubpages and I have to let you know how I see you. You are always in the fair side and I always accept your comments as fact. I had learned a lot from you already and I appreciate your frankness. You have helped me many times and had made me feel better as far as the issue in a certain time is concerned.
                           Thank you.

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                  IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  No what they really like to read is a solution to their problem, or the information they were searching for, written in such a way that suggests the author has experience of the situation. This not only makes them authoritative, it adds a personal touch not found elsewhere on the net. Unique, in other words.
                  
                  So if you were searching only for a reason why your dog has taken to licking walls (for example), then the best hub or article you might come across will be from someone whose dog was licking walls, with a full explanation of what they found out was wrong, and what they did about it. That is an article you can empathise with.
                  
                  You could also just title your hub "Why Dogs lick Walls" and regurgitate everything that is already out there, but that personal touch can make all the difference.
                  
                  I must admit I've done my fair share of regurgitating, by I do try to add a personal touch where possible.
                  
                  On the other hand, if you want to write about marriage difficulties, then you have to look inwards and see where your situation could help others, and write it from that angle.
                  
                  If you don't, it is a blog, not a hub which is supposed to read like a magazine article.

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                     Website Examinerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     The OP was talking about her few followers and comments, so I am assuming she is also talking about internal traffic. There, some Hubbers tend to follow writers whose writing style they enjoy. Some of the Hubbers with most followers happen to be quality writers who put a lot of effort into writing creative, original hubs.
                     
                     As far as external traffic, the OP may do very well if she writes from a unique point of view and puts the right tags and keywords into use. For example, hubs about politics tend to attract much external traffic, not because they are duplicates of what others are writing, but because they offer a unique perspective.

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                        Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Website Examiner,
                        Your comment here is very informative to me; I didn't really know that followers are internal and external. You are right again; as I am writing, my mind is geared towards "external" traffic,(like I said I didn't know that)...actually I can tell all my 1,000 students and ex-students, not to mention colleagues, to follow my hubs if I am very much concerned about followers. I realize now that the internal traffic are not very much pleased with my attitude since it's not my nature to try to please others unless I am sincerely pleased too. I cannot fool myself as I won't fool others by saying "awesome" when I don't really mean it.

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                     Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     IzzyM,
                     Like I said, I may be writing very personal experiences but the principles and philosophy are universal and are integrated in all my writings...there is a lesson to be learned from every life...my writing approach is a reverse method where I put the application to the personal level first and is backed up by universal laws...but I can understand that most readers see the face value quicker than what is underneath so I can easily be misinterpreted. The thing is that, I will continue to write in the manner that is truly my conviction rather than write to "beg" approval from everyone; who knows, perhaps one day some people from out of the blue, a passerby perhaps, would accidentally see my point of view. If I will write to please others so I will receive mass favors then I would just write articles in "Writing Solutions" where they tell you what to write and be paid $3 for every 500-word product description articles. I write both for fun and self-expression, whether it is well-taken or not by a cerain group or culture of writers. I write down my real conviction and experiences that may also trigger self-awareness in others.

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                        IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm not criticising you in any way, and earlier I read through a couple of your hubs and enjoyed them (sorry I didn't comment, I'm rubbish at commenting).
                        
                        I'm genuinely trying to help you.
                        
                        Even if you are not interested in search engine traffic, Hubpages are.
                        
                        They make their money through our writings, and they have in place a rule that does not allow personal content. If they deem your hubs to be of little interest to others outside of your immediate friend/family circle, they will unpublish.
                        
                        That is why I suggest you look to 'expand your potential audience', if you like.

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                           Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           IzzyM,
                           I appreciate your concern and I believe in your integrity; I am aware of my discrepancy in Hubpages and I feel I don't belong here because of my writing style that may have crossed the rules. I will just continue as I am allowed and if Hubpages will unpublish my hubs then I will just bow out decently. I may also shift my interest to those so-called solutions to every day problems; but needless to say if people would see my point of view behind the personal application; there is the wisdom that would actually prevent those problems to happen to them...I am more on prevention in the deepest sense rather than creating foolish problems so that they will be busy to find solution for them...
                           My hubs may look mundane and unresearched but I am speaking in authority because I don't just researched them, I studied them for years and had earned degree and academic honors from those nuggets of wisdom I integrate in the guise of personal experience. But like I said, I don't expect everyone to see my point.
                           I only have one or two comments but most comments are "very true" "very deep" and they come from passersby who have no premeditated expectations according to the rules in Hubpages.

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      Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      readytoescape,
      That's good observation; many write ups here are obviously intended for money-making and they are supported by many.

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   Hypersapienposted 11 years ago

   This is interesting.  Most of what you see in terms of advice concerning what to write about seems to be about doing keyword research and finding topics that will earn you money, etc.  In other words, there seems to be a lot of encouragement with respect to writing for money.
   
   However, from the views being expressed here, it seems that a lot of people are having issues with that approach.  However, I don't see writing for money as being that much different than any other job.  You may not love you you're doing at a 9-to-5, but you have to earn a living.  Likewise, some writing may be solely for money, but it doesn't make you a horrible writer.  (For instance, when Mario Puzo wrote "The Godfather" it was solely for money.  It just happened to turn into a fabulous novel.)

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Most of my hubs are not aimed at writing for money and I make the payout for HP Ads every month and sell a bit on Amazon.

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      Jynzlyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hypersapien,
      There's nothing wrong about writing for money; that is in fact a natural and reasonable thing for any sensible writer to do . What is disturbing is when one, or a certain culture (the internet or specifically the hubpages culture) tries to intentionally put down those writers with a different yet authentic outlook in life just because he/she cannot go along with the crowd in his/her philosophical framework in writing.
      They cannot see that "one with God" or put simply, the honest person is a majority...if they work solely for money without consideration for others which they are different from them, then that money they earn from such motive will be the same thing that "destroy" their lives eventually. It would still be human beings are always more valuable than any material things in this world.

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   Website Examinerposted 11 years ago

   I must admit, Jynzly, that I have not read any of your work. I think that a clear introduction and conclusion goes a long way towards explaining a complex article to the common reader. This is not time consuming, and can also help with search engine rankings if the important keywords are included in the first paragraph. So even if the article is complex, consider writing a first and final paragraph in layman's terms.

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   Lisa HWposted 11 years ago

   In answer to the thread title, I don't hate anything about other Hubbers.  There are thousands and thousands of them, all doing their own thing.  Some care about whether they contribute anything at all to the site or to readers.  Others don't.  Some who don't write decent enough Hubs because they care about whether or not they get traffic, so that's fine too.  I'm not a big fan of spammers, needless to say.
   
   I don't really think it's favoritism when someone writes a Hub that catches the eye of a lot of people, and then a lot of people comment as a result.  There are those "how to get better traffic to your Hub" Hubs that tend to get a lot of readers.  A lot of readers don't care who wrote such a Hub.  They're just interested in what they wrote about.  Then, though, if it's a Hubber people know and trust, there's that much more of a chance someone will pay attention to his expertise on, say, "how to get more traffic".
   
   While I honestly don't "hate" anything about other Hubbers, one thing that will make me "write them off", as far as reading their stuff goes, is when I get the sense it's a phony persona with a phony profile that's aimed at trying to get readers who'd be interested in that particular "type" of person.  You know...  When the real person behind the Hubs is, say, a twenty-year-old, male, college student who figures he can whip up a bunch of Hubs about, say, children's toys that are for sale out there; and who pretends he's a thirty-six-year-old mother of two in middle-America (because he thinks people will pay more attention to "her" than to a male college student).  (That type of thing.)
   
   Should it matter to me?  Probably not, I suppose.  I think the reason I react negatively to the material of those people (which is a far different thing than "hating" the individual, himself) is that it sends up warning flags that the person who is phony is more likely to also be someone who might post stolen material (but also is less likely to be someone who really knows what he's talking about).  I, personally, would rather read the Hubs of someone who says he's that male college student, and he researches/writes about toys on the market (and any number of other things) because he's writing online for spare-time income.
   Other Hubbers I may pass by (as far as reading their stuff goes) are those who look like they're trying to copy the approach/style of someone else who has a measure of success on here, but who aren't as skilled as the other person's approach/style because it's really "not them".  People who are themselves and who develop their own style and approach come across as more credible (and, again, less likely to have stolen someone else's work and posted it as a Hub).  Also, more credible in terms of whether they're an overall trustworthy person who will most likely make an effort in assuring they don't present unreliable, "un-back-up-able", information.
   
   Basically, though, no matter who writes what or what they write about, there'll always be a bunch of people who don't think much of it; and there will always be some who think it's what a Hub ought to be.  I just do my own thing for my own purposes on here and respect that everyone else does the same.  My purposes (besides earning, which I do do) have always been to just have a place where I can write what I feel like writing, rather that what someone else pays me to write (and write the way that person requires me to write it).
   
   Personally, for one reason or another (and depending on what the discussion/comments are in one place or another), I've never particularly felt as if I belong on this or any other writing site; but I just do my thing (like everyone else does), try to stay within the site's guidelines, and enjoy whatever I get from the site (whether that's earnings or a little socializing when I'm not working).  (Nobody's ever going to feel like they absolutely fit in with all 220 (or however-many) thousands of Hubbers are on this site.  All anyone can do is go by the site rules and take it from there.     )

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