Just had to put that out there as I'm seeing newbies all over the forums going on about these topics lately.
Serious money comes from getting views from Google NOT from having other hubbers visit your work. Some of the top hubbers on the site have separate accounts NO ONE knows about to earn their best money and avoid social site interaction altogether.
Scores and followers, in the end, aren't relevant to real earnings (sure they may bring you a few nice comments and a cent or two now and then but nothing else.)
That's true: those that make money on this site get the majority of their views from Google; when I wrote for suite101 I got almost 80% of my views from Google searches, and that's how I started to earn actual money on the site.
Yes, I'm just starting to get to the point where my outside traffic equals or is higher than my HP traffic, low as my overall traffic is. Funny, but all that was required to do that was to find myself in a situation where a bunch of social networking on this site that I used to do and that would take up all my time was suddenly eliminated when I ran afoul of the people that spend all their time social networking here.
Now I only read the hubs that I want to when I have the time and don't bother playing the game, as it were.I lost a whole bunch of badges that mean nothing, including my commentary badge which disappeared completely. I'm not sure how anyone on HP staff thought this would be a horrible punishment? What do people expect me to do, freak out over the loss of badges when I earn less than 50c a day here while meanwhile third world countries have people fighting for their lives? I have to laugh because all the loss of these silly badges has accomplished is that I spend more time with my cat, more time getting chores done, more time spent looking for a full-time job that will actually pay my bills while meanwhile I don't have to play nice to people I don't like because I don't care if my HP traffic goes down to nil but for the people who are truly my friends. I'm sure these people think that they are making me lose all this great money by not reading my hubs anymore. But the highest amount I ever made due to them was 70 cents one day. 70 cents! Oooh, I am really being punished , aren't I? And here I was going to buy that new boat with my HP earnings from fellow hubbers....
I know this is a very old thread but really, it should be made a "sticky" because it is still SO relevant and important for newbies to know.
I was thinking the same thing--old, but always current. When I see a new follower listed, I go to look at their activity and it is usually an endless list of people they have followed within a few hours. I guess they don't know they are shooting themseves in the foot. Time would have been better spent commenting sincerely on a few hubs
I think this is now incorrect. HP seems to be using an algorithm based on hubscore to post the hubs on the front page of the niche sites. This is important for earnings, since page views may go up by 200% if a hub appears on the front page.
As far as followers go, I think it means next to nothing, unless you are here searching for praise from others.
I'm very surprised to hear that about the front page, do you have a link to where that was said?
I've always understood that since the vast majority of readers never see the front page, the effect of being on it was minimal.
The link is "personal observation". If one of my hubs appears on the front page, my page views will go from 1000 to 2000 per day.
So I do not think the effect is minimal.
It depends on which niche site. I have 3 on the front page of Howtheyplay right now and have gotten between 5 and 20 views in a WEEK from them. Not exactly what I'd call "important."
Have you read Marisa´s comment about the layout of different niche sites? HP staff has a comment on there too. Take a look at it; maybe the numbers on that site will improve! Lets hope so.
http://hubpages.com/community/forum/137 … iche-sites
Are we talking about the front page of HubPages, or the front page of one of the niche sites?
If it's the niche sites, then that makes sense. The whole rationale of the niche sites is that readers are interested in the whole subject and are therefore more likely to visit the front page. And of course, that also assumes it's a well-focussed niche (like PetHelpful).
I do not think being on the front page of HP would make any significant difference. If HP is now using the Hubber score to determine what pages appear on the front page of the niche sites, however, it does make this old forum conservation a lot less important. (I do not think they would admit it since there were already so many complaints about the hubber score.)
OK, so we are talking about the front page of niche sites ONLY, and I'm guessing it's the front page of PetHelpful - which is one of the most coherent niche sites and therefore far more likely to have people arriving at the site on the front page as well as direct to individual articles. That makes sense.
I'd have thought they'd go by HubScore rather than HubberScore though.
Not all of the niche sites have the new front page layout, but pethelpful is laid out a little like the Flipboard magazines; people are more apt to return to that page to search for other stories of interest to them than the old HP style front page.
Are you sure it is not the other way round? Your views rise rapidly for whatever reason, you get promoted to the front page. That has happened to me.
I cannot see much traffic coming from the front page.
Yes, I am sure it is not the other way around.
So if I follow Wrylit and I really like an article, and I tweet it, facebook it and pin it, and it happens to go viral, she does not make money from this? We only get paid from Google traffic? Not arguing, just trying to understand.
Advertisers pay more for those who arrive via search engines, so HP will pay you more for those views from Google.
If someone reads your article, likes it, then shares your article to Facebook, Pinterest, Flipboard, etc, and you have a lot of extra page views, you will still make more money. You might notice that your payment/thousand views goes down, however.
If someone just reads your article, likes it, and then just shares it to their HP followers, you will make some extra but not very much.
Yes that would be helpful, but in the scheme of things, the effect isn't that great.
Firstly, that's based on you being a genuine follower who reads the Hubs of everyone you follow, and conscientiously tweets or pins their best Hubs. Most followers on HubPages aren't that conscientious, and many newbies don't even realise that's what it's about. They just think having/being a follower works some kind of magic! Then of course, if you follow a lot of people then you can't possibly keep up with pinning and tweeting for all of them. And even if you can, the chances of something going viral are very slim.
On top of all that, the active community on HubPages is actually quite small. So even if all of us were busy reading and pinning and tweeting, that's not a lot of activity.
And of course, you've got to remember that while you're busy reading and pinning and tweeting in the uncertain hope that others will return the favour, you can't be writing and promoting your OWN work.
The follower system is a great way to network with other Hubbers and keep your motivation up. That's all.
I've been here for 8 months, and I don't even bother with these newbies who think they can make all kinds of money on HubPages. I get emails from newbies who tell me they can't wait to make so much money on HubPages with their writing.
Ay, yi, yi. Please go away, dreamers! Most of them do go away when they find out it will usually take a very long time to hit that first HubPages payout. Maybe, if you stick out a year on HubPages, you'll be able to pay one utility bill or take one of your friends or family members out to McDonald's and select from the Dollar Menu.
I call writing for online money as a process called "chasing pennies" because everyone is willing to give a lot of writing bang for the pennies. If you don't believe me, keep track of how long it takes you to get an idea, write, illustrate and market that article.
Unfortunately, newbies just want to jump in and make that money. And when they figure out how hard it is to freelance, they simply give up.
You've gotta love to write in the first place because unless you hit it big, you will never be paid what you're worth. Be willing to learn the online ropes of the business, and there could be some hope for you.
For each newbie who asks how much a writer makes on HubPages or if we, as writers, write for the fun or the money, I just get a good laugh and don't even bother to answer. I am grateful to be a reporter from the 70s, when I had a desk, an editor in the next room, pay, benefits, and a byline. That time will never come again.
A good reality check, Arlene. You hit all nails on all heads.
You wouldn't walk into a brand new job and expect to be managing the company overnight. Similarly, it takes time, dedication and lots of patience to get traction and views (yes, outside of HubPages)....
I came to hubpages just looking for a good forum to argue with teabaggers back during the Obama Primary and Election. I've been here ever since then just fussing to my hearts content on the forums. The hubs I wrote when I first came to hubpages came from somebody that was truly "upset" with the Right Wing Conservatives and Tea Party Patriots. I thought I died and went to heaven! This blog is full right wing nut jobs. I had the greatest time of my life here and I haven't made one dime. I love Hubpages for the knockdown drag out fights I have with really smart people that can hold their own in a debate. I am made to feel like a intruder sometimes because I'm not a "Writer" here to make money. I came here out of passion and I stay for the passion of the forums. I do want to write five more hubs someday, just to see how much money I could make if I wanted to get into that aspect of writing. I love my job! And I love hubpages as a pasttime. That's ok right?
Thank you, Sally's Trove! I am just another old and tired Hubber who loves to write for the pure joy of it. Hahahaha! Just kidding about being old and tired. But it seems like I see these questions more and more each day.
WryLilt, I am glad that you started this thread... people seem to be happy with page views and are not focusing on Search engine traffic..
My Hubpage Success Story is...
How to make $$$ 0.15 cents In one Day!!!
I've been here for almost a year and the most I've made is $0.76. Of course, I haven't written the 100 articles some hubbers say you have to write to get HP to really promote you (lol). (Is that by email address or 100 per hubname?)
First came Mafia Wars and Farmville. My last post in my blog was October 2011 because I told everyone to go to HubPages. Then I got rid of my Facebook account. Now, I am really trying hard to publish just one Hub per week. Like publishing your blog once or twice a week to keep in touch with your readers? I don't know about that. As long as I find myself in the same room as my laptop, forget it! And forget about dishes, the laundry, poop patrol, gardening, grocery shopping, and fixing meals. I'm sure you get the picture.
After nine months I seem to be nearing $50.00 for the first time - and it isn't thanks to my FB activity with fellow Hubbers.
Oh, yes--those stinkin' badges. They represent hours and hours and hours. Months! I don't even wanna think about it!
I don't even know how to put the smiley faces on this thing!
I just starting making some money ~ not a lot, some. And it took me an entire year, guess I am just a little slow. I can't get passed level 5 commenter and that upsets me greatly, lol. I like HubPages for the fun of it. You have to be really into writing to do all this writing and get cents for it.
For heavens sake, you cannot let myths like this take hold. One person mispercieves a situation, is too stubborn to entertain alternatives and suddenly everyone thinks that the impossible is possible. It was to remedy this kind of situation that science was invented, lol.
I thought that you would appreciate this comment made yesterday from a HP team member:
"Articles listed as "Popular" are chosen by algorithm based on combination of traffic, quality, and reader interaction"
http://hubpages.com/community/forum/138 … ry-changed
What is quality? According to Robert Pirsig, it is keeping your motorcycle in a good state of maintenance. According to HP, it is Hubscore. Hubber score is based on cumulative Hub score.
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