Denigrating a Fellow Hubber in Your Hub

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gmwilliamsposted 12 years ago
Disagreements regarding a hub is expected and normal. Sometimes such disagreements can be quite emotional and intense. However, it is quite declasse to write a hub mentioning a hubber with whom you disagree with in a quite negative light. Has another hubber ever written a negatively explosive hub about you? If so, how did you respond to such an inflammatory hub? It is one thing to critique a hub but one just does not critique a hubber's marital status and/or lifestyle. That is subpar behavior! What is your take on this?
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  maxraviposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I always take criticize in a positive way.I know its not easy.You will find people so often who offend personally.I would suggest to ignore this and move on.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  +++++++++.
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  Gordon Hamiltonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you absolutely. It is definitely not on and I am fairly certain it will also be against Hub Pages' terms of service. I can honestly say that I don't ever recall reading a Hub which was guilty of this tactic but if I did, I would be certain to flag it for the moderators.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Right on, George. Why we are free to disagree with each other on hubs and forums, personal attacks and namecalling is clearly beyond the pale of professional Hub conduct.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well guess what? That's what happens when you demean people's livelihoods, they become upset. And sometimes when people are upset they do things that are "declasse". The user you are referring to contacted me. You understandably upset her with your comments. Just because you aren't as 'forward' with your insults doesn't make them OK, and you should be ready to deal with the consequences. I outlined the issues with the way you present your hubs and you should consider them. You have been proved wrong by your replies so if you really do care about people as you claim you will amend your attitude.
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  habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you!
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you habee. You are the ultimate epitome of class.
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. If you write a hub on something that another hubber disagrees with, it is totally unprofessional to do a counter attack. It's their views. If you do not agree, you can move on. I saw this just yesterday. A hubber wrote a hub about his views, and another hubber had to write a hub back about him. Just shows the intelligence level of the second hubber. It's like being in grade school all over again.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This "hubber" is emotionally at a grade school level. The "hubber" even attacked the author's socioeconomic, educational, and marital status. Maybe the "hubber" is embittered and envious because the "hubber" has no life and aspirations to think of. Thank you for elucidating your points.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Any chance this "hubber" may be under 18 and thus in violation of tos in that regard as well...?
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I take it here that no one here knows about the hub that has generated the controversy, and are just being amiable toward the only side of the story that is being presented. GM, great to see that the hub in question caused you to become so upset that you had to seek self-gratification with unknowing individuals here. Maybe you now realize the feelings your words accomplish, because in this particular post you are also venting. And you have the gall to act like that other hubber is the only one at a 'grade school level'. I'm surprised at your age. Continue keeping your head buried in the sand, I can't stop you.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you love yourself truly, you know you're above all that... just let it go, and keep doing your thing.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am so above this. Thank you so much and God bless you.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes you are. You're above everyone and everything. In your mind.
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Or so she wants to be, so pathetically much
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Melissa, I refuse to stoop to your level. I have been around people and what I am saying regarding an equal parity regarding relationships is true. I am finished with you. I was taught well by my parents to be particular as to whom to enter relationships with.
  
  If you have observed, the majority of relationships are between people of equal and/or similar backgrounds educationally, intellectually, and socioeconomically. That is reality. Like is attracted to life. Relationships when one partner is more educated and socioeconomically affluent than the other partner is rare indeed. That is a fact of life.
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As to whom to enter a relationships?
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Typing too fast. Corrected, thank you, janesix!
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What level is that? The one that refuses to demean people (unless...it is deserved). How does it feel?
  I know of people like you. If enough people agree with you, and if you present yourself in an eloquent fashion, you think you can get away with the things you are doing and saying. You think you can happily crush the little guy, that you DESERVE to and are ENTITLED to. Well it just happened to backfire on you this time. I pray similar occurrences happen offline.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh the Occupy Wall Street mentality, eh!
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're so weird...
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The moment you typed this, you stooped. And to what level is are you stooping? It sounds like you have WAY to high an opinion of yourself. Maybe Hub Pages just isn't for you. You wouldn't want to hang around with those who don't have a college education.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Many hubbers have a college education and some even have postgraduate education. Speak for yourself!
  
  P.S. It is supposed to be "too", not "to" high of an opinion.
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am speaking for myself. I did go to college, but many hubbers who may not have graduated from college, are quite smart in their own way. I do not judge them.
  One does not need a college education to prove they are better educated. You have proven this.
  
  PS. Your arrogance is showing. Before one starts correcting others, one should read and correct their own profile page. While you were attending your "High and Mighty 101", your typing skills show you missed "Typing 101."
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  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am so above this. . . Didn't they teach you to speak proper at your posh school then!
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Klaraweick, if you have the time, skim the rest of this thread and learn who the true perpetrator is.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  well. . . you know . . . it takes two to tango, but you just can't take everything so seriously. I've been harassed before. They've even questioned my ability to do my job because of my spirituality, but you just have to know better. Forums and hubs are not meant to change people's minds. So, it's best to put all the bickering aside and move on.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, you are such a beautiful and evolved soul. Let me get back on track.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe that would be best, but hey, we're not all perfect
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, we're not perfect, but like Joe Dirt used to say... "You just have to keep on keeping-on!"
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  +++++.
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  nightwork4posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  i seriously wouldn't care. i would throw something back at them just because that's how i am but that's about it. if i could meet the person face to face then i might have a little talk with them about being rude to people they don't know but other then that, i wouldn't care.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, it is all good. A guest commenter already called the hubber out on this. I moved on. This is par for life. I have read many hubs that I disagreed with but hey this is a free country. Let them say what they want and speak their peace. It is them, not me!
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paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago
A: I don't foresee any such hub ever getting any money-making traffic. So let them spin their wheels...

Or

B: Sue the bastard.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  To paradigmsearch: Right on, you are indeed a professional!
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks!
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  High five, you are indeed welcome.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I feel compelled to create a hub about such mindless following.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you know the hub GM is referring to, tell us.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The hub is entitled "Why It Is Unwise for College Educated and Post Graduate Professional Women To EVEN CONSIDER Lesser Educated Men". You can only imagine what kind of things were said about people's relationships that compelled that hubber to go off the deep end. Comments made that basically say that one's spouse is too stupid to be with the other. Most of it is probably deleted. I think that GM should hold herself responsible for it instead of suggesting that the hubber is just jealous and unambitious.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good to know, but what I meant was what is the hub that "trashed" GM? Then we will know if GM's feelings are justified.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Paradigm, please ignore Melissa. Melissa is a fan of this hubber. Let us proceed as is.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have found (and commented on) the hub of yours that I think might have prompted the other person's "anti-you" hub.
  
  While (like others) I think it is kind of trashy to write hubs that bash other hubbers, I also think that you have a certain amount of responsibility that you're not owning up to.
  
  After all, if you write deliberately controversial, provocative and anger-generating hubs, then you shouldn't be surprised if people respond in a like fashion.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for looking up the hub in question and understanding what led to the situation. It's disappointing, to say the least, that GM is unwilling to care about what she did and won't even address your comment. I actually find it almost disturbing that she tried to discredit me in such a conniving way. It's just another unfortunate thing with some people that I must deal with.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You get stuff like this on HubPages. Someone posts a "Somebody's hurt my feeeeeelings!" thread in the forums and most people automatically believe that person's story without bothering to investigate further. It does my head in actually.
  
  Still, I do stand by my comment that it's not a good idea to publish hubs that "bash" another hubber (if that's what you did). If they won't address your concerns in the comments of their original hub, then you just have to move on.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Another mature response from gm sits above.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You just love to stir up trouble, don't you. Go and write some hubs on animals, your favorite subject.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What a joke gm, I'm not a fan of anyone. That's a very malicious thing for you to do. Even if I was, so what? That doesn't justify the things you said in the comment section of your hub that you refuse to take responsibility for. It is entirely relevant to the response you received. And you are getting petty little revenge by creating this thread. This shows your true colors, lying and trying to turn people against me. I'm speaking the truth.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I know that you are not referring to me, but your putting your post as a reply to mine will confuse people who will think you are...
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I thought I clicked reply to gm, I don't know if it worked or not. And from what I'm seeing my reply looks like it's coming after Empress facility? I don't know...
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's OK.
  
  I suspect that some communication confusion is being caused by the forum view setting. At top of the forum thread one can set setting to "Threaded" or "Chronological". One wants to use "Chronological". Trust me.
  
  Just my opinion.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure I understand? GM wasn't trashed in the thread, it was a discussion about people's relationships that got ugly. And now you can see that she is trying to turn people against me. I'm actually surprised at this shocking turn.
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am not against you.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Neither am I. We just have different experiences-that is fine and good! All is well! If I lost my temper, I apologize.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I kinda of think you did, wouldn't you agree? I often do feel as though I have troubles gaining acceptance. Thank you for apologizing
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are okay. Don't worry about others accepting you so much. Sometimes no matter what you do, there are some people who will not accept you. I was somewhat like that when I was young, as I got older, I figured that if some people accept me, that is fine. If others do not, that is fine too. The most important thing is to love, respect, and accept yourself and to try others kindly. Peace!
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Love knows no educational boundaries. It does not matter who is more educated.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it does. If you consider education to equal intelligence, you will find cracks appearing in the marriage of an unequal couple years down the line.
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  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But I've known highly educated people who are as thick as two short planks and totally uneducated people that are highly intelligent.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Me too, but in a relationship, the one with intelligence but without the benefit of a college education often ends up resenting the other with the college education.
  
  Love is fine but it is seldom enough. The ideal long term relationship has two equals involved, not one lesser or greater, whether it be intelligence or education.
  
  But you know, I tried to read GM's hubs but my eyes glazed over...
  
  Not that hub was boring or high-brow, just not my cup of tea for leisurely reading.
  
  So I fail to see why people are getting all het up over it.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  +++++.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Please visit the comment section, if the comments haven't been deleted yet, and you will see why.
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why would one resent the other over having been to college? My mother was a college educated woman, and my father left school in 8th grade to take care of his mother. My parents were happily married until the day he died. My father never resented my mother. He adored her. They each brought strengths to the marriage.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I had a neighbor who who had a Ph.D. in Nursing while her husband was a maintenance man with an 8th grade education. The husband was always threatened by his wife educationally, intellectually, and socioeconomically. She earned twice as much as he. They had nothing in common. Each time, they had a discussion, it always escalated to an argument. She loved traveling and other cultural pursuits. She was an amateur opera singer, he was not interested in this whatsoever! Let's say, he was interested in more mundane pursuits. In essence, the marriage was quite stormy to put it mildly. I can name other examples but I have things to do. IzzyM and I are right regarding our premise- for relationships to be smooth, a couple must have the same and/or similar commonality educationally, intellectually, and socioeconomically. That is reality! What you and the others have eloquently elucidated is quite atypical!
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I had a neighbor who who had a Ph.D. in Nursing while her husband was a maintenance man with an 8th grade education. The husband was always threatened by his wife educationally, intellectually, and socioeconomically. She earned twice as much as he. They had nothing in common. Each time, they had a discussion, it always escalated to an argument. She loved traveling and other cultural pursuits. She was an amateur opera singer, he was not interested in this whatsoever! Let's say, he was interested in more mundane pursuits. In essence, the marriage was quite stormy to put it mildly. I can name other examples but I have things to do. IzzyM and I are right regarding our premise- for relationships to be smooth, a couple must have the same and/or similar commonality educationally, intellectually, and socioeconomically. That is reality! What you and the others have eloquently elucidated is quite atypical!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying that a maintenance man couldn't possibly appreciate opera or other cultural pursuits? Everyone has their own tastes. This sounds like they were incompatible in more ways than education. Didn't they know each other before they got married?
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Of course, they dated for a year. However, she related to me that he put on a false persona and was smooth in order to get her to marry him. According to her, while dating he informed her that he attended college for a year. Naively, she believed him without further investigating the matter. When she got married, he revealed his true personality and she discovered that he had only an 8th grade education in addition to other less savory things.
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  John, I agree with you totally. I have met several "highly educated" people who are as dumb as a door knob. Unless you are talking to them about calculus, they have nothing to say.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Izzy darling, a VOICE of reason. You have elucidated my sentiments exactly. Izzy, people are so afraid of the truth. The truth is that the average relationship between people of divergent educational backgrounds are not always harmonious. They have different interests, wants, needs, and desires. I remember my parents inculcating me that a college educated, professional person is better off with a person of the same background.
  
  I have friends, associates, and family (college and/or postgraduate educated and professional) who entered into relationships with undereducated, nonprofessional men with disastrous results to say the least. They stated that if they had to do it over, they would have neer entered into such a relationship. They reported to having nothing in common. While some(who were older in their 70s and 80s) suffered in silence and agony, these who are younger left that relationship and found men of similar background. Izzy, you are right on target. Give me a high five!
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Damn I wanted out of this conversation, but yes as I have already posted, long- term it is unusual for a marriage to work between two unequals.
  
  Education, intelligence, even social class still count, and as you say it has to do with interests, hobbies, desires etc, but it is usually later in any marriage, once the first flush of love or passion has worn off that couples may realise their mistake, but it can be too late then because children are involved and it all gets messy.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know which degrees you're talking about, because not all of them are difficult to obtain, for instance, say, sociology compared to biology. And it is the solid truth, as many have said here, that there are college educated people who are dumb as rocks. That right there disproves your theory.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know diddly about the "truth" and you just don't care. Posters have replied to you, illustrating that their relationships are successful and you arrogantly ignored them. Ridiculous of anyone here to force themselves to believe there are zero exceptions.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I do not wish to dignify this response so I am ignoring you so to speak.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Did you think I was referring to you with that dumb as rocks comment? Haha. Seeing as your last reply to me was "zzzzzzz", I'll accept your gracious gift
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  zzzzz means that what you are saying are of very little significance as usual.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Any idea of the age group of those who don't believe this? 20s? 30s?
  
  I am in my 50s, and I have not seen ONE single marriage work out between an unequal couple. Oh they do for a while...
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't matter. Listen to the logic. Also, times have changed.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So anyone older than, say, 25, is past it and has nothing to offer?
  
  Believe what you want. I wish I had listened to the oldies when I was young, because it turns out they were right.
  
  Some things don't change.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ++++++.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Neither have I. Izzy, ignore these folks. You and I know better! Let them be. If they want to believe this, fine. Who are we to teach them better? We have been around and know better!
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That was a reasonable response! Thank you! Most of the people among the group that I've described can, and do succeed well in college. They are blessed with the ability to put their BS on hold during test time.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  @Izzy I didn't say you have nothing to offer. You did kind of insinuate us young people might have skewed thinking on the subject. Although this isn't really my subject, I am, as gm has so crudely put it, interested in animals indeed. But if there's one thing I do know, it's that many college educated people are not smart, boring, and intentionally intoxicate themselves. I'm surrounded by them daily. I refuse to believe all these people will be committed 'intellectuals' when they graduate. They are there because society tells them to be. Knowledge doesn't shape your soul. I don't think education is playing a huge role here...it might be something else. Maybe it's the type of non-educated people that you and gm are witnessing. No one really knows. It is not very scientific to leave it up to only your observations, but I could easily agree there may be a trend. That is not what gm asserts. She implores that non-college educated people are all dummies, end of story. Hence why people are not enjoying her commentary
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I acknowledge that there are noncollege graduates who are quite intelligent, even prodigious but they are very few and far between. What Izzy and I am addressing is the AVERAGE noncollege graduate.
  
  Melissa, you are spot on regarding your observations regarding some young people who attend college who are not serious about their education. You are correct that they should not have attended college in the first place. Yes, there are many people attending college who are definitely not college material. That is another subject entirely. There are positives and negatives in every group and strata of people, no doubt about it!
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  @ IzzyM I think this thread is a -shining- example of how education is not synonymous with intelligence.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I've only got the intelligence
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is just bull. I know a couple where he was highly educated, and she can not spell to save her life. She had a hard time graduating high school. They have been happy for almost 20 years.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  uh-uh - careful! Spelling and intelligence don't equate.
  
  A lot of highly intelligent people suffer from dyslexia.
  
  Unfortunately, those people do suffer in school as dyslexia is often mistaken for stupidity, when nothing could be further from the truth, and yes I know people who are highly intelligent and have gone on to hold down high-powered jobs, but who can't spell to save their lives.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  +++++.
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just went to read it. What a shallow, narrow minded person. I truly hope that someone doesn't really feel that way. If so, they are in for a very shallow, and narrow minded life, and I would like to be around when Karma bites them in their butt . Step away from the idiots. It's not worth the aggravation.
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Lisa HWposted 12 years ago
In answer to the OP's question, if anybody ever has I haven't seen it (which is just as well, because I probably would have written my own "anti-them" Hub to point out either what they didn't get, what they misinterpreted, how tacky they were to write a Hub and mention my name, or even how it was I could easily back up what I said in the original Hub and in one way or another.

Writing a Hub and mentioning another Hubber isn't what people are supposed to do on here, and it's tacky to boot. Commenting on the Hub in question and asking the writer to clarify, or back up what he's said; or else even saying one doesn't agree with, or questions, what's been said in the Hub are what people generally do and fine. We're all told to ignore things like crazy or hostile comments, and I don't disagree with that. BUT, if someone singled me out and wrote a Hub about me or a Hub I'd written - no. I'd address it head on, especially if it weren't accurate. People should be held accountable when they dirty up someone else's name by writing a Hub about him or his writing, rather than taking any questions/disagreements they think are so important directly to the person. That particular "MO" is being a coward, and there's nothing like pulling a coward out from hiding and letting "the world" see how he does things.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ++++++++.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This "hubber" even used the names of the author's two hubs. How unprofessional is that! Now that is the epitome of low cultured behavior!
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
If tit happens, flag it. Anything else just feeds the troll.
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John Holdenposted 12 years ago
About a year ago a hubber wrote a hub directly critical of another hubber. The other hubber retaliated.
Neither are still on Hubpages, quickly banished by the powers that be.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There you go.
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Cagsilposted 12 years ago
I have never written a hub to dispute another hub or about a specific hubber. I have had plenty of comments from people who didn't like what I had to say on the matter and insults were the only way for them to communicate. For some people it is easier to sling insults(or what should probably be perceived as insulting) as a reactionary step based on emotional turmoil because of the writing.

However, as John just said, those who write hubs to attack other people, usually are not around long.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil, you are so on target. That is why you are one of the most respected and beloved hubbers around. You are awesome, man!
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the kind words.
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
I'm curious about the counter hub also. I don't see a problem with debating an issue, but personal attacks against another hubber are not allowed.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wherever it is, I can't find it. And I'm pretty good at that sort of thing. Even if the critter has been deleted, we can still read it in cache. So if anybody knows...
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's also very hard to understand because she doesn't use the proper quotation marks and things like that.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The counter hub did contain some personal attacks, not unlike what GM has made here, as well as addressing the alternative opinion. The title is "HIGHLY EDUCATED PEOPLE DO NOT REIN SUPREME"
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm off to read it.
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A title like that doesn't help their case much.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  donnaMhicksposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, what Uninvited Writer said
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  cloverleaffarmposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just walk away from the arrogance. If you give someone enough rope, they will hang themselves...all on their own
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paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago
I am departing this mess. You guys have fun.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, paradigmsearch. Let us do some deep meditation now! Hope your Sunday was great, mine was so far!
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What!?! I'm still here!?!
  
  Off to do errands.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with you. I going to amazon.com to browse some books on the occult and then watch Bram Stoker's Dracula on my portable dvd player.
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janesixposted 12 years ago
The ONLY difference between these two, is one is illiterate and one is not.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Harsh...but I'm glad you see that both are equally responsible.
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  Helena Rickettsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know about that. I've been watching this mess since the beginning. I warned the OP on the original hub in my second comment that anger was not a good emotion to bring out in readers. Anger is not healthy, period. It causes people to think irrationally which is exactly what happened to the hubber that created the second hub. The OP is obviously intelligent enough to know what she's doing and what she is doing is attacking another hubber (after being attacked herself of course) in the comments on her hub then coming here looking for sympathy... and more traffic to the hub.
  
  Intentionally posting content that you know will anger people is not the way to go here. After watching this unfold (and I have been watching since the beginning) and seeing this thread started, I'm thinking that this is nothing more than a well calculated manipulating marketing ploy to draw attention on one's hub. Granted traffic is traffic but this went too far when the second hubber was angered so badly that it caused her to go to such extreme measures to help quell her anger and make her feel whole again.
  
  If you read the comments on the first hub, you'll see that the OP was instigating a lot of the negativity on that hub that is going back and forth between her and the other hubbers. Instead of doing as HubPages suggest in their last blog and either ignoring or deleting the comments, she was an active participant to keep the drama going because it generates traffic.
  
  They are both responsible for their own actions and of provoking each other in the comments section on the original hub. Anger is never a good emotional state to be in when trying to have a debate based solely on opinion.
  
  This has really just gotten completely out of hand.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh, ya think?
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I did not write the hub for sensationalism. To write a hub for that purpose is totally against the grain for me. I wrote this because it was heartfelt by me and this is how I truly feel. I have felt this way since I was about twelve years old. I was inculcated from childhood to achieve and to aspire to the better things of life educationally, intellectually, and socioeconomically. Let me not digress. Each hub that I write is sincere. I am a sincere person and write about subjects and topics that I am passionate about, believe in, and am genuinely interested in. I, myself, am shocked that this hub have received so much response and many views in just a few days.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So was I, but I was also taught not to assume that one size fits all.
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
Actually that's what you did in your comments and the hub itself.
You have to expect with the tone and assertions you make in that hub to trigger heated responses. While I agree with some of what you have written, it's certainly not fact based. You make every female college graduate sound like an elitist, which we are not. You make the non college grad sound boring and unmotivated which is simply not true.
The counter hub does not mention your name. She is expressing her views in response to the views expressed in your hubs and comments.

This forum thread? Clever, but a little declasse, imo.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It is not elitist for a highly educated woman to only want a relationship with a man of similar background. It is the intelligent thing to do. I was taught this by my parents who have risen themselves from poverty to middle class status. I also have friends, family, and associates who are of the same belief as I regarding this matter. What I have delineated in my hub was not controversial at all but mere commonsense!
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  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It almost frightens me that there are people out there who think like you!
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Lol....you're going to keep going with this? How much more can you say about the subject? If you need to bolster yourself up so badly, it's only showing that you have really, really low self esteem.
  
  Stop embarassing yourself.
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habeeposted 12 years ago
Opinion hubs are just that - opinions. Every hubber is entitled to his opinions. I read the hub by gm, and although I don't completely agree with it, she's certainly entitled to her opinion. It's not like she called out specific hubbers in the hub.

Gm is probably correct in her assertions, for the most part, but that doesn't mean it's true in every case. I have more education than my husband, but he's very intelligent, talented, and artistic. He's amazing with building, making furniture, creating acrylic paintings, and electrical stuff. I feel we complement each other well, and we've been happily married for 25 years.

That being said, I didn't feel at all "attacked" by Gm's opinions.
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  SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Like you, I don't feel "attacked" either, but I think one reason people are upset with the hub may be that gmwilliams is presenting her opinions as bonafide 100% facts.
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  gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you SmartAndFun, I have read hubs that were even more vitriolic than mine. I just read it, learned something from it if possible, and moved on.....This is why I like HubPages. There are so many divergent opinions which is totally enrichening and quite exhilarating.
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  SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just please remember that opinions are not necessarily facts and should not be treated as such.
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  Melissa A Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's pretty much the reason. She is entitled to her opinion...but she has disrespected those who have refuted her opinion by talking down to them in the manner that she has.
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  SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, I have seen her do it before. Perhaps this is her preferred MO.
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Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago
This popped up before with some thinking if you don't graduate university you are somehow less intelligent. Not everyone can afford to go to university. That discussion also included that C students in high school couldn't possibly handle higher education. It's all bull...everyone is different. Some do better in university and college than high school, some do worse. I have worked in higher education and believe me, education does not equal intelligence.

But, I don't want to take sides. I haven't looked at either hub and I don't intend to.

I hate threads like this that pretend to be general but are due to hurt feelings.

You feel attacked? Flag the hub and move on.
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