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Should only the upper middle & upper classes have children?

  1. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 6 months ago

    Should only the upper middle & upper classes have children?

    I was listening to a great radio program hosted by Tom Leykis who indicated that poor people shouldn't have children because such children will be living in substandard neighborhoods, have poor/no health &/or medical care, have poor schooling, & an overall bad life quality.  Mr. Leykis further stated that poor people have the MOST children because of impulsive gratification w/o considering the ramifications of their actions.  Mr. Leykis maintained that it is UNWISE for poor people to have children as they have NOTHING to offer them.  Couldn't have said it better!

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  2. abwilliams profile image30
    abwilliamsposted 6 months ago

    While I am sure that is true for some, it is not true for all poor families.

    Children are born into wealthy families all of the time, that have nothing to offer them.
    They are given all the material things, but love and affection are missing.

    I wonder which of these a child truly desires?

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      BOTH, but money means more myriad opportunities in terms of education.  Poor parents HAVE NOTHING to offer their children but no opportunities for education & success.  Love & affection doesn't confer opportunities but MONEY does.

    2. abwilliams profile image30
      abwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      My parents were born toward the end of the great depression. They both grew up with multiple siblings and had nothing, but love. They were taught self-sufficiency and frugality. I would not trade lessons learned, then passed on to us, for the world!

  3. Cleo Burch profile image86
    Cleo Burchposted 6 months ago

    Those who are poor should be able to have children as long as they can take care of them. There are wealthy children that go straight into the working force and skip out on college, just as there are poor children that earn scholarships for themselves to go to college. Public school is a thing and scholarships can be earned that way. So, yes, poor people should be able to gave children of their own.

  4. tsmog profile image81
    tsmogposted 6 months ago

    The question presents cognitive dissonance with competing values . . . frankly, a myriad them.

    I answer the question with a resounding ‘No’ because of the word ‘only’, which infers mandatory through social and political engineering. That goes against the values of the Bible (God), the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, of which I have faith and trust.

    Pondering the question the closest solution I know of to meet that criteria is with the setting of Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. In that global society their babies are test tube babies designed to be in a caste system. But, they still had lower castes known as Deltas and Epsilons. They were needed for the society to exist.

  5. shanmarie profile image78
    shanmarieposted 6 months ago

    You seem to me to be someone born into privilege who has never experienced any hardship of this nature. People often speak about others having kids they can't afford, but rarely bother to consider the reasons. Some people may have actually been on track for success when a child was conceived. No one can foresee all of the things that will happen inthe future. Sometimes waiting to have children can cause other difficulties. A person never knows whether or not their choices are definitively the best ones in the long run. We can only make decisions based off the information we have on hand at the time the choice is made. Wisdom and experience may come with age, but hindsight is still 20/20 and the information on hand still doesn't include the future. How easy it is to judge people and to lump everyone below you or different than you into stereotypes. I wonder how many baby boomers who think this way would be here if their parents thought the same way?

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Wasn't born into privilege-just born solidly middle class.  I have observed poor people via extended relatives & former classmates.  They didn't have the opportunities I had.  My parents PLANNED for me; they COULD afford me.

    2. shanmarie profile image78
      shanmarieposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Good for your parents. What about those who plan and then have health problems or fertility issues? Or those who plan and then plans fail for some reason? It's not all black and white.

    3. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      One has to think & plan logically.  That is what intelligent humans do.  Only non-thinking lifeforms act instinctively & impulsively.  There is NO EXCUSE for people to act rashly.  THINK before ACTING.

    4. shanmarie profile image78
      shanmarieposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Best laid plans sometimes fail. Injuries that change lives or the death of a spouse. The most intelligent and self controlled people can't even predict all the things that drain savings. Economic crash. Life is full of the unexpected.You missed my po

    5. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Falling on temporary hard times can be excused.  However, if being poor is a lifestyle & one is constantly struggling,why bring a precious child into that world.  To me, that is THE HEIGHT of selfishness & irresponsibility!

  6. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 6 months ago

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    By any reasonable logic, a resounding yes.  Children should be the province of those who can give them myriad educational & socioeconomic opportunities beyond the basic, struggling survival level.  Also, children should have things beyond the basic rudiments of food, clothing, & shelter.  They should have cultural & intellectual opportunities.

    Studies show that children born into poverty have a distinct disadvantage physically, mentally, & psychologically.  Being poor to impoverished have an adverse impact on children's physical & emotional development, not to mention psychological development.  Children born poor to impoverished don't have intellectual nor cultural stimuli.  They also are subject to poor horrendous living conditions, not to mention inferior quality nutrition which affects their brain development.  Children born poor to impoverished are exposed to more deleterious elements such as violence & other pathologies.  No thinking person would have children under such conditions. 

    Yes, poor people shouldn't even think of having children as such children have no future nor opportunities to advance themselves educationally & socioeconomically.   Children who are born poor to impoverished are highly likely to become poor to impoverished adults lest the generational cycle of being poor to impoverished continues ad infinitum. 

    Upper middle & upper class people have things to offer their children in terms of intellectual & cultural development.  They also have myriad socioeconomic opportunities to educate their children.  They furthermore can create environments in which children can thrive, not just survive.  On the contrary, poor parents have NOTHING to offer their children besides want, struggle, & the necessities, if that.  That is no way for children to live. 

    Poor parents can't educate nor teach their children as they are uneducated themselves.  They also can't provide their children cultural & intellectual stimulation.  Poor parents only do a HUGE DISSERVICE to their children.  They oftentimes handicap their children for life as such children don't have the opportunities that their upper middle & upper class counterparts DON'T have.  Yes, having children should be the purview of only the upper middle & upper classes.  Poor people HAVE NO BUSINESS even thinking of becoming parents.

    1. shanmarie profile image78
      shanmarieposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I had a professor in college share her experiences. She grew up in poverty and became a highly esteemed prof of education. She aimed to teach her students how to be better teachers to children from poverty. It is possible for impoverished  children t

    2. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      What you fail to realize that children born into poverty are doomed, even damned from the inception.  In the 21st century, poor children will be LOCKED INTO POVERTY, becoming a PERMANENT underclass.  Poor children have NO FUTURE at all.

    3. tsmog profile image81
      tsmogposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      You have presented an argument I will ponder over with my position Grace. But, it remains there is a lot of cognitive dissonance as does with the realm of abortion, death penalty, and forced euthanasia.

    4. abwilliams profile image30
      abwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      It's bad enough that abortion is accepted(aka Women's health) (In Oregon, up until birth now) What now? Post abortion for those falling below the poverty line? What are you suggesting?
      ...Images of Margaret Sanger...
      I'm Conservative, not heartless.

    5. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      @Ab, not talking about abortion here.  Not at all but what about mandatory birth control, even sterilization for those who are too irresponsible to have children they CAN'T afford.  No precious child should grow up poor or in poverty.

    6. abwilliams profile image30
      abwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      The thought of forced sterilization makes me cringe! (except for habitual rapists)
      Ideally, there'd be no abortion, no unwanted or uncared for (used) children, the Saving Grace smile Adoption! Through proper channels, details worked out case by case.

    7. fpherj48 profile image75
      fpherj48posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Hello there ab! Sterilization 4 serial rapists,stops ONLY pregnancies.Hard core fact is, these scumbags must have Lorena Bobbit Surgery, then a boat ride 2b dumped on a desolate island 4 the remainder of their sick lives! smile

    8. abwilliams profile image30
      abwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Bobbit....haven't heard that name in forever. Wonder what became of her and if she ever found herself another man....if so, what do you want to bet, he sleeps with one eye open? wink

    9. fpherj48 profile image75
      fpherj48posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      OH....LOL.....If she has a new man in her life, my money says he sleeps at the Motel 6 on the corner!......every night.  !!  smile

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    Singhbaghelposted 6 months ago

    No it's not like that
    I am from India and here parents love there children so much even though if they not have a good money source they​make sure that their children not feel unavailability of anything..
    Money is not everything it's depend on parenting and care a good parents never make excuses they work and provide their children good life

    1. M150 profile image61
      M150posted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Agreed.

    2. abwilliams profile image30
      abwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Grace, if you are playing Devil's Advocate, it has run its course. You seem to completely dismiss those that have learned valuable life lessons, led happy and productive lives and are comfortable with the skin they are in...in spite of poverty.

  8. fpherj48 profile image75
    fpherj48posted 6 months ago

    Grace, really girl, don't hold back.Tell us what you really think. Your question goes well beyond hypothetical. Such a scenario could never & would never be possible to legislate &/or enforce~~certainly not in our country. I realize you made your bold statements to firmly impress your opinion but realistically, it can never fly.
    IMHO, ideally, if we're suggesting anything in terms of bringing precious children into the world by individuals who can barely keep their own bodies fed, sheltered & somewhat safe,( much less adding babies) what is a dire necessity is education, access to birth control, lessons in common sense & responsibility.  Yes, it's somewhat ironic that people who reproduce willy-nilly, w/o considering any repercussions nor consequences, are the very ones who lack decent educations, do not use birth control (even when it's FREE at public clinics) have zero common sense & ignore responsibilities.
    This can result in a serious social malady, with innocent kids suffering the very most. I'm afraid humanity will continue it's flawed behavior as it has, for all time. With any luck or a miracle perhaps, we can put time, money & efforts into the appropriate programs to make some strides in this sad issue. Why this country has not done so at this point is yet another shortcoming by our nasty politicians who are more concerned with THEIR lives & luxuries than in any need of citizens!  (I dare not get started on them!)
    Forced sterilization is not only overkill, but should not be considered by a civil society. Perhaps making Voluntary Sterilization FREE, may be one answer in a sensible list of others.
    Can there ever be a viable solution to brainless breeding by individuals who are less able or prepared to care for a pet?  Short of a true miracle, Grace, I highly doubt it.  Suffer the children.   Peace, Paula

  9. M150 profile image61
    M150posted 6 months ago

    I have often heard that poor people should not have children because they simply cannot "afford" them. I think this is an unfair statement or belief because money can increase (the so-called poor can find better means of income) and decrease (the upper class can lose financial assets and money), so to imply that poor people should not
    have children is not exactly a fair statement.

    Although the upper middle and upper class may be able to give monetary and material values this does not mean that family values as well as other values in life will be at their best. Money should not determine whether one should have children or not. Life itself is based on so much more - respect, love, dignity, etc. which should be carried on through our children.

    Everyone has something to offer in life; therefore we should not judge those who do not have lucrative incomes, and label them as being unable to provide a good quality of life or be a loving parent, which really  should be the main concern when having children not finances as fluctuating as they are in any society.

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Really now.   Poor people have NOTHING to offer their children in terms of educational & socioeconomic opportunities  Poor people SHOULDN'T have kids-they CAN'T AFFORD them.  Your statement is purely illogical, bordering on the unintelligent.

  10. savvydating profile image96
    savvydatingposted 6 months ago

    God, I hope forced sterilization is never enforced in America. Why don't we just start throwing poor people into the ocean with a lead ankle brace. Sheesh! My parents, myself, and my son were all born into poor families and we did just fine. Some of us even did great! Some people are just irresponsible, whether they be rich or poor. Government can't control anything like that.

 
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