What Is Outside Reality?

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Fairly simple question.
   
   Answers?

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      Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It depends on our held Concept, of Reality ...
      
      For if we are from among the Seculars ... meaning, those who do not Believe in God, and His Creation, and rely on their brains or feigned ignorance ... Then only Material Things ... Objects ... are Real ... Meaning, only physical objects can, or should, Exist.
      
      For in Rational Cognitions, Objects Compose ... what is a Self-Existent, Physical Reality, of a purely Physical Universe ... !
      
      In Islam ...  The Truth, of the Existential Reality of Creation, Transcends the Physical, and Material States of The Created ... the Created Physical,  Exists simultaneously, within The Ordained, Ideal ...
      
      Thus, we only Know, and See, as far as, we have been Granted, by way of  the Definitive  Concepts ... Nouns, Defining The Created ... in our Destined Experiential of the Physical Reality.
      
      Human Known, Is, in, The Divine Grant, of Knowledge, Granted by The Creator ... Including His Concept ... The Nouns, Defining His Creation ... to His Created ... Humans.
      
      But supposing we take the seculars Theory of Dark Matter ... or the Aliens and Relativity ... these are similar to the non-believers other Assumptions ... which are essentially Logical speculations, within a Physical Prejudice ... not the Reality.
      
      Because, their Prejudice, is rooted in Rational Cognitions of Creation ... from where they draw Theoretical Premises ... in Physical's based logical assumptions ... viz. That 1 apple+1 apple = 2 apples, while Ignoring The Creation of Apples ... they, call a Spade ... the Spade !
      
      But their Prejudices do not stop with apples ... they go on to cross the apples, in hoping to come up with Pears, they could call their creation of In vitro life form !

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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         Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I will take it ... and am happy, you enjoyed your first meeting with Existential's Reality ...

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Not quite. The question was a joke.

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               Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               OK ...
               
               Seems yours, is a subtle sense of humor .. it totally eluded my rustic senses.
               
               Regards

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      kirstenblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      God
      
      ask me again tomorrow and see if the answer changes (probably will too)

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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      paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      More reality.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting...

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Cags:
      Here's a "simple" answer:   "One can only guess."
      There, that covers it! 
      Qwark

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Okay Qwark.

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      superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'd say what happens inside of a black hole; because it's where our understanding of physics really ends

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Much appreciated.

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            superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If you're interested - and have an hour to kill; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTjUqI6W3yQ is the best attempt I've seen to try to explain.
            
            Might hurt your head a bit. It just about killed my brain off when they started on the holographic principle...

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you. Maybe I will and maybe I'll just pound my head on my desk for five minutes....probably accomplish the same results.

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                  superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You're probably just as well. Seriously, it is brilliant and it's also relatively simplistically explained.
                  
                  My licence fee isn't completely wasted sometimes...

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay. Thank you though.

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   RedElfposted 13 years ago

   yeah right sure - I'll get on that right away
   
   I love it when you get all existential... and zen... and relativist...
   all that philosophy stuff

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm curious to see what people say.

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      Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Though your ideas are casualness ... personified ... but you have the right attitude, my friend.

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   Motown2Chitownposted 13 years ago

   Reality removed from the inside?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      *shakes head side to side, palm to face*

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         Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry, I was just being a smartie pants.  I'll stop now.  Enjoy.
         
         

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I know.

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   Jewelsposted 13 years ago

   Nothing. Once inside the unreal, it is real.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Jewels, always good to see you.

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   Monisajdaposted 13 years ago

   Reality that is unknown to us. Parallel realities abound. What our senses don't grasp - we call it not real, abnormal. But there are other realities that are there, scientists will agree with that, super sensitive people like artist will, too.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting post.

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   know oneposted 13 years ago

   The prefixes 'The' 'Your' and 'My'.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not quite.

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   Dorothee-Gyposted 13 years ago

   In the end, all reality is, is the interpretation of different vibrations, translated by our senses into the pictures and sounds we perceive inside ourselves (Peter Russell has written about the futile efforts of scientists to nail down other aspects of reality).
   
   So, reality is also in essence perceptual. Once I perceive it, it is real for me. As long as I haven't perceived it, it is not part of my reality.
   
   That leads to the concept that reality is highly individual. I can perceive different things than other people, based on my world view. I can also perceive the same thing differently (think about babies, for instance, some people perceive them as cute and cuddly, others as a crying pain in the butt, others as a menace to their freedom, etc.).
   
   There are no two people on earth which share identical realities. And yet, we're constantly trying to convince others that our reality is the only true one. Such a funny comedy, when you think about it...

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting post.

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      Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I so agree but no-one has so far answered the question.
      
      from: http://freedosphere.wordpress.com/2010/ … y-paradox/
      
      Reality is existence. To be outside Reality is to be non-existent.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Much appreciated Sue. Nice to see you, been a while. Hope you're well.

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         Jewelsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ahem!  Isn't what I said exactly the same?

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   kirstenblogposted 13 years ago

   Well there ya go, they are a store
   
   Guess I was wrong

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   munirahmadmughalposted 13 years ago

   munirahmadmughal
   
   The question is "What is outside reality?"
   Outside reality is nothing but going astray, void or falsehood.
   The holy Qur'an says:
   
   Say: "Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? and who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?" They will soon say, "Allah". Say, "will ye not then show piety (to Him)?"‎ (10:31)
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   Such is Allah, your real Cherisher and Sustainer: apart from truth, what (remains) but error? How then are ye turned away?‎ (10:32)
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   Thus is the word of thy Lord proved true against those who rebel: Verily they will not believe.‎ (10:33)
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   Say: "Of your 'partners', can any originate creation and repeat it?" Say: "It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?"‎ (10:34)
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   Say: "Of your 'partners' is there any that can give any guidance towards truth?" Say: "It is Allah Who gives guidance towards truth, is then He Who gives guidance to truth more worthy to be followed, or he who finds not guidance (himself) unless he is guided? what then is the matter with you? How judge ye?"‎ (10:35)
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   But most of them follow nothing but fancy: truly fancy can be of no avail against truth. Verily Allah is well aware of all that they do.‎ (10:36)

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting....

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    awareposted 13 years ago

    the soon to be invented .?

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       

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    awareposted 13 years ago

    A really big yard?

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       

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    kirstenblogposted 13 years ago

    My lost sanity?

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       

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    recommend1posted 13 years ago

    It is not possible to be 'outside'of reality - reality is just one person's perception of what is around them - other realities may differ, but they are just different perceptions of the same environment.  Semantically it is possible to be outside of reality because we are all partly outside everyone else's reality.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Interesting post, but I do think many from the scientific community would beg to differ with you about "reality" itself. But, appreciate the input.

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          recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I am not sure what 'scientists' you are talking about,  or if you understand what 'reality' is.   I suspect you are applying your own meaning to the word - Shahid has given you a good answer, a little hard to understand I guess, given that he is clearly unconfined by the narrow constraints of western thinking, but with a bit of effort . . . .

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    WriteAngledposted 13 years ago

    The question is ambiguous and therefore meaningless.
    
    It could refer to a reality that is thought to be outside [adjective] and be asking what is that type of reality: i.e. what is a reality that is external to an internal reality,  well, the answer then depends on what we define as being "internal" and what as "external"
    
    Or it could refer to something standing outside [preposition] of reality and be asking what things/persons/concepts are external to what is defined as being real, in which case the answer depends on what we define as "reality" in opposition to "unreality".

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