Creating the Universe

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   TruthDebaterposted 14 years ago

   Do you create the universe, the universe creates you, or both?
   
   It could be said that you create everything you see and sense by your mental interpretation. If it takes the mind to determine all physical reality, would it take a mind to build all physical reality? If it wouldn't take a mind to build physical reality, why is a mind needed to determine physical reality?

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      stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting questions.
      
      The universe existed before you, although you can't perceive or interact with it other than the short time you are alive.
      
      Physical reality exists regardless of a person's mental state.  It's why any person who steps twenty feet in front of a swiftly moving heavily loaded semi/lorry gets turned to jam.
      
      Careful, some of the questions lead to solipsism.

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      very interesting question my friend...

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVAVA4hx … re=related

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   JulesGeromeposted 14 years ago

   You don't create the Universe. You only interpreted it

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      TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. I see interpreting as creating the images in the mind, so how is this different from creating it?

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         JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The difference is called ' materialism' Your mind doesn't create mater. Interpretes what the mater is.

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            stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The three states of matter:
            
            Matter, anti-matter, and doesn't matter. 

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               ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               

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                  stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank you.  I'll be here all week. 

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago

   "Do you create the universe, the universe creates you, or both?"
   
   Interesting theoretical line of questioning here.  However, I guess we will never know. Since our greatest minds don't have a clue, I won't even try to pretend that I would have one either. 
   
   Nevertheless, very interesting line of questioning.  I'm curious to read the outcome.

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      TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks IntimatE, maybe none of us have a clue, I would still enjoy your thoughts.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You know, I really do not have a clue.  However, I find your line of questioning to be the most intriguing.  Imagine our world a matrix of our vivid imaginations.  That means that somehow our collective body of minds are somehow interconnected.  That we on some level must be telepathic. 
         
         You know the government has been documenting telepathic science studies for years.  In one of their projects, they take a person and have them concentrate on a particular building in Russia, France, anywhere and they show them an aerial view of the building for a brief minute or two. 
         
         The government has proven that people have the capabilities to look inside the bldg, give exact details of the interior (like what pictures are hung on a wall to where the phone is setting on a particular desk), along with giving details of conversation that was taking place during that particular moment.  It is as if the person sitting in the chair in the USA is channeling inside the mind of someone who is walking the halls in a bldg over in Russia lets say.  Really amazing stuff, furthermore, if this theory has any weight to it, I think that this study is a direct link to providing data.  Which I think is an amazing possibility.  Don't you?

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            TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thank You. That is pretty amazing stuff, it is hard for me to even imagine how it's possible, but I can imagine it being possible. I have a pretty good idea there are a few undiscovered senses we have, but don't realize yet. I don't know about thought frequency and if that has anything to do with it, but it seems possible considering we can often predict or be close to predicting how someone is thinking or feeling, or what they are thinking by how they are acting or feeling.

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               IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Yeah- deep stuff.  But if everyone is seeing the "pyramids" the same way, in relationship to the theory mentioned, then we must be interconnected somehow for it to be the same.  Do you see what I'm trying to get to?
               
               Yes- very interesting stuff.

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               Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               If so, the Nobel institution would like to talk with you, unless it actually is something you just imagined being possible.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like a lot of nonsensical and conspiracy theory hearsay.

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            stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The government has?  Objective supporting evidence please.

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               Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Actually, the cold war remote veiwing experiments were killed by congress in the eighties after years of questionable success, the experiments were carried out by the CIA and was the inspiration for the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats"

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                  stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Too bad they don't stare at rabid fundamentalists.
                  
                  Please note I'm not indicating you're one.

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   paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago

   You can ignore the universe/reality, but that universe/reality won’t ignore you.

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      TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. You make a strong point. So do you think the universes creation is stronger independent of individual creation or do you think there is balance between the two considering it takes much individual interpretation to survive?

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Before that question can be answered properly we would have to determine what a universe is.
          "A parable of the universe"
      It can be said that each of us is a universe or solarsystem in and of ourselves.
   
      And these interact (sometimes colide) just as other solar systems do way way out there ??????
      
      I don't think that we create "OUR" universe but we do get to do with it as we please up to the limit of the power that we have within it, as does everyones.
     And we sometimes feel like we live in a pinball machine.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      As I posted above your remark, maybe the universe is a matrix.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yea ..   our posts overlaped.  When I read yours I said to my self.   OOPS

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh yeah no that is not what I was referring to, but I just didn't know if that is kinda what you might be thinking.

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               Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Might not have been exactly,  but kinda,  at least a parallel thought pattern.

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                  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah..., we seem to do that don't we? 
                  
                  I guess one can say that we are two peas of a pod.

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                     Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I see that happening quite often.
                     
                     
                       I've thought about (If I had the time and fortitude) going back through everything that some people have posted in here that I agree with,giving credits where credits are due, formulating a single but differet conclusion than they intended.
                     
                       That would freak some people out to see their common beliefs instead of the dirrerences.
                     
                       I guess it is all in which side we choose to focus on.

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                        ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        we are like neurons connecting to form, once again a model of the universe. it is such a repeating pattern.

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                           Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           That could be one of the posts that should be included in my before mentioned project.
                           
                              I gotta go out side for a while.  House may fall down If I don't tent to a few things.
                           
                             Will be checking back in from timt to time.

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                              ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              LOL, you don't have a house, it's just a perception. stay on...just kidding.

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                        IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Ah, that is so true.  I think there are more people who agree with each other, than disagree. 
                        
                        Maybe that can be related to the matrix theory somehow.

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                           Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           That is true.  People agreeing more than they know?  HUMMMM

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         ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.ted.com/talks/henry_markram_ … crets.html
         
         I love this talk so much I must have posted it ten thousand times. But this kind on answers that.

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   ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago

   Hi TD,
   
   We definitely create our universe. And that is already known. The way the brain works is it gathers information from the senses and makes an interpretation of it BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW...meaning if you do not know what it is, YOU WON'T SEE IT.
   
   What the senses see is another, how we remember what we perceived is directly linked to emotional associations.
   
   There was this interesting special that explained this.OH wait. eveybody must have heard WHAT THE BLEEP? It told a story about the first indian that did not see the ships coming from the sea because he has not seen it before.
   
   Also our eyes can also see things relative to the needs of our biology. WE look at fruits and see color, because hey we need to know which fruit has what goody. But is the banana really yellow outside of our perception? Flies don't see yellow. So whose right, the fly or us?
   
   What reality seems to be outside of our senses is this : NOTHING is there but energy transactions.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Are we positive that flies don't see yellow?

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         ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         as far as I know they see contrasts and red.

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            hm...., what color are contrasts?

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               ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               light and dark, do you have information?

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                  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  No, I was just wondering.  I agree with Beez on this one.  We know how and where color originates, so.......... unless we are a fly I think there is room for error in what science says a fly can see.  I guess we should of left that question up to Jeff Goldblum.
                  
                  
                  
                  However, I went to the link and what an interesting project.  Blue brain, even has a catchy name.  I hope this all really works.

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                     ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     lol, true...true... but we are here now.

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                        IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Indeed we are.
                        
                        So have you seen this guy talk in real life?  Is he for real?

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                           ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Who Markham? No he was in California. The Brain Geek here in New York is a beautiful woman who studied attention in Cornell. That was interesting too.
                           
                           Her metaphors are succinct. According to her, we have a watchdog that watches out for our long term goals underneath the tasks of the day and when it sees something in line with that long term goal. it derails the task of the day to pursue the longterm one.
                           
                           Kind of like, trust your feet, it knows where it is taking you.

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                     Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Flies and other insects with compound eyes can see colors. In fact, they can see frequencies we can't see, like infra-red, for example.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Colors are nothing but the results associated with light absorption of the materials properties of reflection and dispersion of photons, their length and frequencies. It is the light receptors within any species eyes that determines what colors will be recognized.

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         ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         exactly

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   ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago

   I gotta cook breakfast, hold on.

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   brotheryochananposted 14 years ago

   When i look up i see a universe. How did i create that? It was/is just there and i saw it. The eye registers things around us by light reflecting off the object. If i see a ball in the backyard it is because the ball is there, i did not create the ball, i just walked into the backyard, that was there before i got there. More likely the manufacturer of the ball created the ball and the manufacturer of the universe created the universe.
   I still had my hands in my pockets while all this creation was going on.
   
   and people say religionists have some weird questions 

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Very much like the manufacturer of the ball, where do I find the "Made by God Inc." label in the universe?

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         stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         bro would be very upset to find the 'universe manufacturing label' to read 'Tiamat the Dragon.

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      stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Objective supporting evidence the universe was manufactured and manufactured by your imaginary buddy?
      
      Secondly, who manufactured your imaginary buddy who manufactured the universe?
      
      If your imaginary buddy didn't require manufacturing then the universe doesn't require manufacturing either.

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         ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I am tempted to answer this....but it will take so much time.
         and i do know its rhetorical if not sarcastic (oh wait sarcastic if not rhetorical)

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         brotheryochananposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.6000years.org
         All you have done since you joined hubpages is harass the religion forums. I owe you nothing.
         
         but if you want to do a little research instead of....

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      ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      that is true in one level. but then there are hierarchies of truth that you can reach beyond the functional one...you don't have to.

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      ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ok I'm going to say it...bro. update. for your own sake. start with quantum mechanics.

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   TruthDebaterposted 14 years ago

   So the materialist view is that thought is the sum of it's parts created by the universe, the dualist view is that thought and mind are separate from the body which creates the universe and all physical reality?
   
   What is the best evidence from the dualist view that mind is separate and the creator of all physical reality?

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      ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      once again, excellent questioning.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    The sky fairy gone dunnit!

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       stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No no no.  It was the Tooth Fuzzy!  Harrumph.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Blasphemy!

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             stoneyyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Die.  Heretic...... 

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