Evolution is about what happens to lifeforms over time. Creationism is about the creation of lifeforms.
There are many different creation stories from the various religions in the world. Do we look at each one separately or toss them altogether into a salad?
It is both creation and evolution. God got the ball rolling and let things evolve on their own.
Either one, Evolution or creation, takes faith to believe.
So look into them both and make a decision for yourself.
Evolution does take SOME faith to believe:
You need to have faith that "When I see macroevolution happen, it is macroevolution" (to see macroevolution, get some fruit flies and mess with their environment for some 100 generations).
You need to have faith that "All those fossils that I see and can touch can be properly dated to a pretty specific time period" (You can easily learn how to do your own forms of dating by simply researching how they do it)
You need to have faith that "All those people who ACTUALLY USE EVOLUTION ON A DAILY BASIS are using evolution on a daily basis".
Basically, in order to "believe" in Evolution, you simply need to have "faith" that 'what you see and touch and do is actually what you see and touch and do"
In order to believe in creationism, you need to believe that a giant invisible guy in the sky (no, not THAT giant invisible guy in the sky, nor the other 500,000, THIS SPECIFIC giant invisible guy in the sky) created the entire universe in a way that makes what you see and touch and do are NOT what you see and touch and do.
So... the choice is yours.
Although sometimes the way people jump up and down sure makes a good case for Evolution
....Billions upon billions of fossils that all correctly correlate with the theory of evolution perfectly....
In order to disprove evolution, all you would have to do is properly date a fossil to a time when the animal/plant shouldn't exist.
It's that easy.
But it's never happened.
Half of the equation is correct.
Fossils show evidence...then man ,scientist palentologist, all the 'gist' people I will call them step in and in their great wisdom analyse, predict ,foretell, and categorise.
Some I might add diligently research to their best of their ability.
But I ask you this, where do they get this information. Are they not just building on another persons theories?
Man discovers and defines.
God can create all he wishes - that means that you disbelieve Abiogenesis.
But Evolution could easily co-exist with "god creates"
Starts off making sense ,then.....whoosh out left field
I remain agnostic.
Too many ifs and maybe's,and still limited understanding.
Look at them.
Abiogenesis has yet to be proven, however there are mounds of evidence building.
I think ancient Jewish myth about how life was created in 7 days in a plush garden stocked with the tree of knowledge and a talking snake makes much better sense than evelution includeing the science of geology, palentology, astromomy, DNA, etc, etc. lol
Oh, and before you start saying things like "dating techniques are false", please acknowledge the following statement.
IF you "believe" that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by atomic bombs; and you believe that the fallout from nuclear meltdowns will last millions of years... then you HAVE to believe that radio-carbon dating (and other systems) are accurate.
Debating creationists is so easy, even a cave man could do it.
Actually, wise men do not still seek "him". But, nice try.
Wise Men Still Seek Him
Nice try Cags
If a wise man/woman seeks "him", then they are not wise to begin with.
Hey you got something correct!!
You are indeed right.
Which is right: evolution or creation?
That depends on what you're attempting to figure out.
Creationists, like Economists, are ever so clever.
Are they doing real science
or just confirming their bias?
And, your point with regards to addressing my post?
Again, your point?
My post didn't say yes or no, to either, but your post seems to be assuming I am on the side of "creationists"? And, would be a poor assumption.
Maybe, but you did say, "That depends on what you're attempting to figure out" which implies you must know of something that can be figured out using creationism as the foundation or process.
What would that be exactly?
I did say "that depends on what you're attempting to figure out", which was directed at the OP. That doesn't imply that I had anything to add to it. It is what it said. Don't interpret my sentences, you will do more harm than good.
The statement you replied to, is a statement to someone who isn't the OP, but did imply "creationists, like economists, are ever so clever", creationist was my position.
Again, not you.
Now, to address, the post you did reply to? I've quoted it over.
This statement doesn't imply anything, except that Evan made a poor assumption. That's it. If you read something into the statement, then blame yourself.
No one interrupted you, Cagsil. You came, you sound bited and then you vanished. No one is doing more harm to your posts than yourself. Having nothing to add to your sound bites is actually the issue here. You still haven't explained what it is we can figure out with creationism? Or, will it be like so many of your other posts where you really didn't have anything to say at all but felt it necessary to drop a sound bite that makes no sense?
Again, putting words out in thin air that didn't exist to begin with. I didn't say you interrupted me or did anyone else.
I cannot vanish. I am a member.
Assumption is the mother of all F* ups.
It wasn't a sound bite as you say. I simply made a statement, which was at the OP, which hasn't been addressed by the OP.
You'd be correct. If it really matters, nothing good comes from "creationism".
My statement made sense, maybe not to you, but then again, I'm not even sure you have a point for being on HP? Then again, it actually doesn't matter.
Finally, you are beginning to explain yourself. However, whether good or nothing good comes from creationism, it still doesn't explain what can be figured out with creationism. That was your claim.
If it made sense, there would no inquiries from anyone here. Note that there were inquiries.
Whether you envision a point for me being here or not, or if you thought it didn't matter is neither here nor there, but it certainly did help in exposing some who pretend to know what they're talking about.
What is the optimum word I used. I just explained that "what" with regards to creationism that nothing can be explained. Or did you not get that?
Untrue. There are plenty of ignorant people in the world, who have nothing better to do, but to butt into other people's lives. Thus, since they do not know their place in life or in this world, they must intrude into other people's lives, just to make themselves feel better.
It's still out whether or not, you do. But, be that as it may, it no longer concerns me. Enjoy.
So, now you're saying nothing can be explained with creationism. Some backpedaling there.
Why would you want to go to all that trouble just to make yourself feel better? Seems egotistical.
Is it really? Has it gone to committee? Is there a vote?
No backpedaling anywhere. My original statement stated that it depended on what the OP was trying to figure out. When you asked me to clarify what exactly creationism can figure out, I said nothing. You seem to be interpreting words not said.
Again, interpretation and wrong. Nice twist job.
I'm glad to see you enjoy making a mockery of yourself.
Not at all, when you stated that it depends on what the person is trying to figure out, that immediately implies creationism can be used to figure something out. There would be no point in you saying that if nothing can be figured out using creationism, which is what you're now saying. That's why it's backpedaling.
Oh, was that meant for me?
I'm quite sure that's what you believe, that's why you have yet to move past step #1.
WOW! What a bad assumption on your part.
Actually, you would be incorrect. But, don't expect you to see it.
No, it was a generalized statement on my experience with dealing with people.
I don't believe it. Your own actions have proven it.
You haven't shown that. Stating it doesn't make it valid especially when we can easily see you backpedaled. That's just how a child would respond.
Yeah, sure it was.
Let's see if you can understand this?
Depends on what needs to be figured it out? The choices were to come from "evolution" and/or "creationism". The object was to used one or both, to figure outsomething? That something is NOT stated. Got it?
Your assumption is that the "something" can be explained by creationism and that I was going to explain that "something".
Error on your part. Got it?
No backpedaling, as you put it. I explained that "creationism" cannot explain anything or will explain nothing, which is how I responded to you, when you asked "what"(something) could be explained through using "creationism".
I realize you have a comprehension problem and I realize where and why you have it, but it is unfortunate that you do not. I have explained it in other posts, but it's your refusal to learn, which is why it escapes you.
And, your statement here implies that I wasn't be truthful. So, with that said- You can take your beliefs, opinion, and whatever else you feel obligated to share with the rest of the community, and put it in your pipe and smoke it. Again, you are no longer my concern. I do hope you enjoy your time on HP and do get around to writing something. Good bye.
LOL! It's funny how you believe you actually explain things when you don't explain anything at all. It's just like your "What God" question in which you dug a mile wide crater for yourself and kept digging rather than just put aside the inflated ego and admit the obvious. That's what you do here.
That is backpedaling because it is not the same claim you originally made.
Petty insults only provide more evidence that you have no idea what you're talking about and can only resort to them when you have been caught red handed trolling and baiting.
You have yet to be truthful about anything. Your "What God" question followed up with that whopper of a tale would show that in spades.
LOL! I have written something, and what I've written here has exposed a fraud and childish pretender who can't move beyond his ego.
If you are questioning the creation of life you must remember that evolution does not address the question at all.
If you are questioning the evolution of one species to another then creation does not address the question except that all species were created simultaneously which we know to be false. Creation does not acknowledge that one species can become another in any manner - it does not say yes or no.
As far as the two "theories" do coincide, evolution has mountains of irrefutable evidence to support its claim that species evolve while creation has the written word of ONE millenia old book from beyond the dark ages to support it.
Creationism and evolution do not technically contradict each other, unless you want to believe the literal version with the Earth being created 6000 years ago. If you accept that Genesis is a metaphor, then you can easily argue that God started and guided the process of evolution over billions, not thousands, of years. Most sensible Christians do, including many scientists. It's only the fundamentalists who persist in believing that an omniscient, immortal being would be less capable of employing a little bit of creative metaphor when explaining advanced science to a bunch of illiterate Bronze Age shepherds than a typical ya vampire romance novelist.
That said, I'm personally agnostic about both God's involvement in creation and evolution and the existence of God him/her/itself. I don't think it contradicts the known science to suggest that a god or gods may have played a role, but I don't think supernatural involvement was necessary, either.
We don't know what came first... the chicken? the egg? But either one must have come from somewhere, it didn't mysteriously evolve from a toad overnight... so yes, I'd say at one point one of the two was created by a higher life force.
Well, the transition from amphibians (~400 mya) to reptiles (~300 mya) to birds (~150 mya) took about 250 million years, so it could not really be said to be overnight.
Yes, alright... but the question still remains... which came first? chicken or egg?
Define "egg" please, in terms of single celled, asexually reproducing, organism? Failing that, we must assume that the "chicken" (although not a real chicken) came first.
Definition from Dictionary.com
1. the roundish reproductive body produced by the female of certain animals, as birds and most reptiles, consisting of an ovum and its envelope of albumen, jelly, membranes, egg case, or shell, according to species.
2. such a body produced by a domestic bird, especially the hen.
??? Do you mean than an amoeba like creature produced eggs?
First you must evolve to where the animal can produce such a thing. Perhaps a fishy thing with small, very simple eggs little more than a human egg that simply squirts them out everywhere.
Now boys... don't get all worked up now... it's not a contest!
OK. Another reason for the chicken to run from a rooster.
Were you aware that mammals have and lay eggs?
The eggs just don't get farther than the womb.
Anyway, the egg clearly outdates the chicken.
But if you're asking did the chicken's egg predate the chicken, then the answer is obviously no - a chicken can't lay a chicken's egg until after the chicken was created.
Nope. I think Kerry nailed it below; a gamete suffered a mutation and something that wasn't quiiiite a chicken "created" (word used just for Klara ) the very first egg destined to become a chicken.
The egg, of course! As shown in Kerry's post, the reptile laid a mutated-or evolved for those not into creationism-egg which contained the first ancestor of today's poor excuse for a chicken.
Poor excuse?! How could you say such things! You have obviously never tasted my Cordon Bleu Chicken!
The egg came first.
One species turns into another over time as more and more genetic mutations build up in the gene pool. The genetic mutations would occur during meiosis in the reproductive organs of one or both parents, but the embroys in the eggs would be the first individuals of the species to actually express the mutations and therefore would be the first to actually be the new species once sufficient mutations piled up.
In other words, the egg is 100% chicken, the bird that laid it only 99.99999999999999999% chicken.
It depends what you mean by "right." If you mean which gives your life a meaning, and the possibility of an afterlife, then I would go for creation. This belief has the advantage of not needing any evidence to support it, so you will not have to put in the research or look objectively at the evidence. All you are required to do with this belief, is to say 'I believe.'
If by "right," you mean, which one is supported by very real evidence, then evolution is the one to go for. However, this will necessarily rule out the need for a creator and the hope that this offers for an afterlife. People, who cannot come-to-terms with reality usually opt for creationism. This provides their lives with a meaning that may not be available to those who accept only the evidence that evolution is fact.
Not evolution, because no transitional forms have ever been found in the fossil records.
No transitional fossils found? Not true, I'm afraid.
They only accept the science that they can twist into some form of assumptive evidence for their faith and belief in Evolution.
We have been through the fossil record BS, and the DNA BS, and all the rest, and still they claim it proves something.
Which it does... it proves that it takes a lot of faith to believe in Human Evolution as espoused by the Atheist left.
And as to there being transitional fossils in the record... there are not.
and this sums up the validity of the so called evidence... "current best educated guess"
TM, I'm sure you'd love to read more about this rooster. His name is Obama. http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/raising-chickens
So, I am to make my mind up, by comparing the evidence of professional scientists on the one hand, who after 150 years of fossil collecting, have built up a huge amount of evidence for evolution, and on the other, a Christian fundamentalist, who says 'God done it.' I'm sorry Mason, but this choice is easy.
Actually you don't have to believe anything Sherl.
I will repeat it again for the umpteenth time, evolution within a species exists, for modifications and adaptations, but that does not equate to the over-arching theory you all try to push.
That is very simple.
And all the "evidence" you all pull out is open to varied interpretation. And many in the fields of science do not agree with the current evolutionary biologist's interpretation BS.
And we have all had this coversation before... so what is the point?
Explain to me how "Digging up a fossil and dating it with half-lifes" is BS.
Explain to me how "Finding out that 97% of the DNA of other primates is the same as the human DNA" is BS.
Explain to me "there are documented cases of observed speciation" is BS.
Explain to me how the following images of fossils of missing links are BS:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xjcwwA-nj8k/T … ls-win.jpg
Don't start bringing evidence into the argument, it will only confuse the simple-minded.
good buddy ryt question ..missing links..i like it..i had mentioned the same.
Hey, we got chickens that lay blue eggs and the rooster always comes before the egg does.
That man has a huge Cock...............................................................................................................................................a doodle doo
Personally, I think evolution is true - to a point. Evolution explains how life changes over periods of time. Everything about evolution breaks down and is no longer applicable at "beggining of life." The idea that some amino acids - the proper amino acids, no doubt - managed to somehow bond together to form a protein, and then a group of proteins bonded together to form information (DNA), and then bonded with like-minded information to create cells and so on has very little to do with evolution.
How about this - creation as a possibility, and evolution is evidence of divine intervention?
I don't really know, since I'm agnostic (pun intended), but it is actually possible that evolution, natural selection, sexual selection, and creation are all true. It just seems atheists dogmatic as theists, hence why I'm at least willing to admit that there is no way to know.
by Csanad 6 years ago
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by Marcy Goodfleisch 14 months ago
Which is true - Creationism or Evolution? Can both be right?It seems there are still arguments about whether the world was 'created' or whether it 'evolved.' What do you believe? Can you also accept the alternative view?
by Terrex 2 years ago
Are there holes in theory of evolution?Creationism is regarded by sceptics as a fanciful theory which does not stand up to scrutiny.The alternatives they offer seem credible on the surface, but are there problems with them, too?
by Captain Redbeard 7 years ago
Is there room for evolution and Christian belief? Where Christians can't deny the age of the planet, Evolutionist can't prove the jumps they believe in. As far as I know there is no mixed belief system out there but there seems to be people with this mixed belief. Thoughts?
by Timothy Donnelly 6 years ago
There’s a link below for starters, folks.Watch it first, and then go on with your reckoning. It goes by the title: The Fossil Record, Dr. Don Patton, Ph.D. It can be be seen on YouTube.com at this address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … mmngKew5EE Happy hunting. I’ll check in...
by Castlepaloma 6 years ago
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