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Steven Colbert just took TDS to a new level

  1. jackclee lm profile image70
    jackclee lmposted 4 months ago

    The host of the Late Show went rogue and insulted President Trump...
    Is there a limit or a red line when it comes to Trump Derangement Syndrome?
    I guess not.
    Can you imagine if Rush Limbaugh had said the same about President Obama?
    Even jokes can go too far... don't you think?

    1. jackclee lm profile image70
      jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this
      1. jackclee lm profile image70
        jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        He just doubled down -
        http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la … story.html

        TDS on overdrive...

    2. colorfulone profile image87
      colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      #FireColbert is a Twitter campaign that is gaining steam after Stephen Colbert's homophobic filth rant. 

      "We are compiling a new, updated list of all Stephen Colbert’s advertisers for the official #FireColbert boycott."
      http://firecolbert.com/

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Imprimus, a publication from Hillsdale college, has an article on free speech, which includes comments on this type of blackmail.  A most interesting read - you would find it enjoyable.  It does attack liberals more than conservatives, although they aren't left in the cold, either.

        https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/lefts-war-free-speech/

        1. colorfulone profile image87
          colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          That is very interesting, well worth reading.

        2. jackclee lm profile image70
          jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          That is a great article. I subscribe to the newsletter from Hillsdale college and I would recommend it to all.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            LOL  That's where I saw it (the newsletter I receive), then thought it fit well here and went online to see if it was there as well.

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 4 months ago

    The amount of vitriol, hatred, rudeness, exaggeration and outright lying that came out of both this election and discussions of the President of the United States has been absolutely astounding.  While mud slinging has always been a part of elections, as well as politics in general, it has deteriorated to the point that that's all there is anymore. 

    Nor is it limited to the media or politicians; far too many citizens (can I say "most"?) have fallen into the same trap, where connotation of a word is far more important than denotation; where arguments are based on how much emotion can be raised rather than factual, true statements.  This, of course, produces exactly what you refer to; the comments made by Colbert are a great example as there is almost no semantic content at all, just loaded words designed and used to vilify and degrade the President.

    I watched a show last night on the life of Confucius.  His primary teaching seems to be that we must live together in harmony, treating all with kindness and respect.  He fell out of favor in China in the early 20th century as leaders were not pleased with his comments on government, but seems to be making a comeback.  Perhaps we need to import the philosophy into our own culture as we appear to have lost all common sense in how to work and live together - this man from before the time of Christ understood more about morality and a workable, functioning society than we do today.

    (And no, there doesn't seem to be any limit.  Not anymore.)

    1. jackclee lm profile image70
      jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      I agree. Confucius also promoted the Golden rule, very similar to the Christian one of love thy neighbor as thy self. He said treat others as you would have them treat you.
      We have lost civility in our country and again, you might disagree with me on this, but my contention is - it is partly due to the decline of religion in America.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Civility - that's the word I was looking for, and one Confucius used a lot.  Yes, the Golden Rule - virtually the only universal moral code) was a favorite of his.

        No, I won't agree it's due to the decline of religion, unless one takes the view that civility is only due those that share your own religion.  Though I WILL say that there is some correlation in time with that event - it just doesn't indicate causality, or any real connection at all for that matter.

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          The decline of religion coincided with parents ceasing to be parents because they wanted to be friends to their kids. Children grew up respecting little and now the fall out.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Now THAT I would accept as a partial cause for the lack of civility.  One could postulate, though that religion was a partial cause for not "mistreating" children with punishment.  Or not - the old testament gives rather severe punishments...

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              Since a very, very miniscule percentage of the population goes by the Old Testament when punishing children I'm not certain what your point is.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                Jacklee insinuates that the decline of religion is to blame for the lack of civility.  I disagree, that's all.

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  LOL.  All you have to do is read through these forums to know that's not the case.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    You got that right! big_smile

                2. jackclee lm profile image70
                  jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  If not due to decline of religion, what do you think account for the lack of civility among the young today?

                  Changes happen and usually there is a cause and effect...

                  What do you attribute to the high rate of teenage single motherhood?

                  and the increased gang violence of MS13?

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    LtL presented one possibility - the lack of discipline of children.  Lack of parental presence likely counts.  Too much free time for kids.  An increasing acceptance by society for wrongdoing by kids.  A growing concept that we are not responsible for our actions - that we HAD to kill that guy because we were mistreated as children or some such.  Lack of responsibility or sense of duty.  Increasingly uncivil talk/action between adults.  More open discrimination and hate than we've seen for a long time.  Parental refusal to accept that their child could/would do something wrong.  Legal inability of schools to maintain discipline.  Increasing use of force "by children, to "solve" problems.  Assumption that morals are deposited in people at birth, instead of by training.  Increasing levels of mixed race, culture, religion, etc. 

                    Given that on the whole religious people are no more or less civil than non-religious ones, no more or less violent, no more or less sexually active, etc. what makes you think a decline in religion is responsible?

  3. Mercedesmedlin profile image80
    Mercedesmedlinposted 4 months ago

    Well, no matter what political view you choose to side with, I think we can all agree that Trump wasn't the most traditional candidate for this job in the first place, being that he has little political background. However, even though I can't say I support Trump, I think the media and show hosts and everyone insulting him is just making it worse. Constantly belittling Trump isn't going to make him a better president, especially when he feels the need to constantly defend himself (seen his twitter lately?)

    I think at the end of the day, when we are talking about Trump as president, our personal biases take over. It's easy to get into an argument with someone about how the country should be run but you gotta take a look at the facts. Look at the policies and the funding and decide if his decisions are bettering our country just in the short run or the long run, or maybe not at all!  There are lots of different factors and I'll admit, I don't have all of the knowledge about all of it, but I know that we have to deal with this issue in a more peaceful, civilized way.

  4. crankalicious profile image87
    crankaliciousposted 4 months ago

    What has been said about President Trump pales in comparison to what was done to President Obama. That said, one party insulting members of the other party is as old as the country itself.

    1. jackclee lm profile image70
      jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      How so?
      Our disagreement with Obama is on his policies.
      By all reasonable assessment, we thought he was a good husband and father to his 2 daughters.
      It was his policies that we disagreed. As time proof us right, his economic policies did not lead to a robust recovery. His foreign policy of lead from behind was a disaster.
      His racial policies, divided us and worse, his attack on the police created more dissension among the rank and file and made policing a more difficult task.
      He was a failed leader but propped up by a dishonest press.
      His many actions were ruled unConstitutional but the weak Congress did not want to challenge him.
      They gave him all the budget he asked for and increased out debt.
      This is from a president who said "it was unpatriotic of Bush to run up the debt..."
      He out did Bush and all previous presidents combined.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Unkind and disrespectful things were said about Obama and his wife. The difference is that these comments were found on Facebook and Twitter by common citizens. The disrespectful attacks on Trump are by the main stream media.

      2. crankalicious profile image87
        crankaliciousposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13516816_f248.jpg

      3. crankalicious profile image87
        crankaliciousposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        All of this...

        It was his policies that we disagreed. As time proof us right, his economic policies did not lead to a robust recovery. His foreign policy of lead from behind was a disaster.
        His racial policies, divided us and worse, his attack on the police created more dissension among the rank and file and made policing a more difficult task.
        He was a failed leader but propped up by a dishonest press.
        His many actions were ruled unConstitutional but the weak Congress did not want to challenge him.
        They gave him all the budget he asked for and increased out debt.

        ...Complete garbage. At best, it's simply opinion unsupported by data. Do you know what, for instance, resulted in the greatest addition to the debt under Obama?

        See if you can answer that question.

    2. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      The acceptance and defense of tit for tat is what will ensure we continue with an atmosphere of rancor. Respect for the office of the president should keep us from supporting this type of behavior.

      1. crankalicious profile image87
        crankaliciousposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Let me get this straight. Our current President calls the previous President "sick and a bad" to characterize an unsubstantiated charge that the President ordered wiretapping on the current President's residence, and we're supposed to respect the office of the President?

        1. colorfulone profile image87
          colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          President Obama's team sought NSA intel on thousands of Americans during the 2016 election

          http://circa.com/politics/president-oba … 6-election

          This makes Watergate look like a dot... there's no doubt about the illegal abuse of authority. We will have to wait and see what comes of it all.

          1. crankalicious profile image87
            crankaliciousposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            You obviously don't understand anything about Watergate. But yes, if what you say is true, Obama should be prosecuted and put in jail.

            1. colorfulone profile image87
              colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              Maybe you don't understand comparison in scope. 
              Watergate vs Obamagate.

              "Obama should be prosecuted and put in jail".
              Gosh, that sounds pretty good!  We'll see!

              1. crankalicious profile image87
                crankaliciousposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                Let me explain it to you:

                Watergate was an illegal break-in. Surveillance done during the Obama administration was done legally, not illegally.

                I'm sure his prosecution will be as successful as Hillary's.

                1. colorfulone profile image87
                  colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  Hey, for a change something you said sounded good. "Obama should be prosecuted and put in jail". I'll let you know when that happens again. 

                  The Sovereign that bought and paid dearly for Obama and Clinton will take care of them for doing their dirty deeds for them.  Actually, I doubt they will ever see the inside of a jail cell.  But, that doesn't make it any less pleasurable to put those words together with those famous names.  "Hillary for prison in 2016" had a such a nice sound to it, still does.  2017?  -  Thanks!

                2. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  Legal? I'd like to know (yet we never will) who had access to the information and weekday was done with it. Whether it began legally, or not, if misused for political gain it is a crime.

        2. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Yes. We are supposed to respect the office of the president. I don't see the difficulty in this.

  5. jackclee lm profile image70
    jackclee lmposted 4 months ago

    When does the FCC act in circumstances like this?
    Are there any standards?
    What are the rules?

    1. jackclee lm profile image70
      jackclee lmposted 4 months ago in reply to this
      1. colorfulone profile image87
        colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Yeah, the Gay Mafia didn't like that idiot's comment.

 
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