Steven Colbert just took TDS to a new level

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jackclee lmposted 7 years ago
The host of the Late Show went rogue and insulted President Trump...
Is there a limit or a red line when it comes to Trump Derangement Syndrome?
I guess not.
Can you imagine if Rush Limbaugh had said the same about President Obama?
Even jokes can go too far... don't you think?
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Here is link to story -
  http://decider.com/2017/05/02/stephen-c … k-holster/
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  He just doubled down -
  http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la … story.html
  
  TDS on overdrive...
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  #FireColbert is a Twitter campaign that is gaining steam after Stephen Colbert's homophobic filth rant.
  
  "We are compiling a new, updated list of all Stephen Colbert’s advertisers for the official #FireColbert boycott."
  * http://firecolbert.com/
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Imprimus, a publication from Hillsdale college, has an article on free speech, which includes comments on this type of blackmail. A most interesting read - you would find it enjoyable. It does attack liberals more than conservatives, although they aren't left in the cold, either.
  
  https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/lefts-war-free-speech/
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is very interesting, well worth reading.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is a great article. I subscribe to the newsletter from Hillsdale college and I would recommend it to all.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  LOL That's where I saw it (the newsletter I receive), then thought it fit well here and went online to see if it was there as well.
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wildernessposted 7 years ago
The amount of vitriol, hatred, rudeness, exaggeration and outright lying that came out of both this election and discussions of the President of the United States has been absolutely astounding. While mud slinging has always been a part of elections, as well as politics in general, it has deteriorated to the point that that's all there is anymore.

Nor is it limited to the media or politicians; far too many citizens (can I say "most"?) have fallen into the same trap, where connotation of a word is far more important than denotation; where arguments are based on how much emotion can be raised rather than factual, true statements. This, of course, produces exactly what you refer to; the comments made by Colbert are a great example as there is almost no semantic content at all, just loaded words designed and used to vilify and degrade the President.

I watched a show last night on the life of Confucius. His primary teaching seems to be that we must live together in harmony, treating all with kindness and respect. He fell out of favor in China in the early 20th century as leaders were not pleased with his comments on government, but seems to be making a comeback. Perhaps we need to import the philosophy into our own culture as we appear to have lost all common sense in how to work and live together - this man from before the time of Christ understood more about morality and a workable, functioning society than we do today.

(And no, there doesn't seem to be any limit. Not anymore.)
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Confucius also promoted the Golden rule, very similar to the Christian one of love thy neighbor as thy self. He said treat others as you would have them treat you.
  We have lost civility in our country and again, you might disagree with me on this, but my contention is - it is partly due to the decline of religion in America.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Civility - that's the word I was looking for, and one Confucius used a lot. Yes, the Golden Rule - virtually the only universal moral code) was a favorite of his.
  
  No, I won't agree it's due to the decline of religion, unless one takes the view that civility is only due those that share your own religion. Though I WILL say that there is some correlation in time with that event - it just doesn't indicate causality, or any real connection at all for that matter.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The decline of religion coincided with parents ceasing to be parents because they wanted to be friends to their kids. Children grew up respecting little and now the fall out.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Now THAT I would accept as a partial cause for the lack of civility. One could postulate, though that religion was a partial cause for not "mistreating" children with punishment. Or not - the old testament gives rather severe punishments...
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Since a very, very miniscule percentage of the population goes by the Old Testament when punishing children I'm not certain what your point is.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jacklee insinuates that the decline of religion is to blame for the lack of civility. I disagree, that's all.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. All you have to do is read through these forums to know that's not the case.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You got that right!
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I will say that a sense of community appears to move civility in a positive direction and religion did give us that. I remember moving to a large town out west. Most everyone were transplants. I remember thinking how uncivil most were. It was a shock to me.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, religion supplies that, but it also does the opposite. Many religions "suggest" that marriages, friendships, etc. be kept within the church unless it is done to convert someone else.
  
  But it is also found in clubs, physical communities, schools - anything that brings a group of people together for leisure time and that they return to. A dance studio. A group of runners. A gym. Almost anything that people share - I've met some of the nicest people camping in the woods and you can't tell me that they are ALL really nice outside, in the city or their jobs. No, it is the sense of belonging, of similar tastes that promotes it. Not religion per se.
  
  (Of course, that physical closeness also produces the opposites; I've seen some pretty bad (verbal) fights in a church and the power plays can be awesome to behold.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Religion can be divisive. But it isn't, usually, except with fringe sects. And all of your other examples aren't all encompassing. Not everyone dances, works out,.etc. We are fast becoming disconnected physically as we all take refuge in the internet, texting, satellite TV, etc. This causes anti social behavior more than you see in face to face communication.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Good point - the clubs, and the similar activities, are dying out. So are church get-togethers, but not as much, I think. And some churches actually build them into their places of worship - I've been a part of building several Mormon churches and they all include a large eating area, big kitchen and a basketball court to encourage camaraderie among members.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If not due to decline of religion, what do you think account for the lack of civility among the young today?
  
  Changes happen and usually there is a cause and effect...
  
  What do you attribute to the high rate of teenage single motherhood?
  
  and the increased gang violence of MS13?
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  LtL presented one possibility - the lack of discipline of children. Lack of parental presence likely counts. Too much free time for kids. An increasing acceptance by society for wrongdoing by kids. A growing concept that we are not responsible for our actions - that we HAD to kill that guy because we were mistreated as children or some such. Lack of responsibility or sense of duty. Increasingly uncivil talk/action between adults. More open discrimination and hate than we've seen for a long time. Parental refusal to accept that their child could/would do something wrong. Legal inability of schools to maintain discipline. Increasing use of force "by children, to "solve" problems. Assumption that morals are deposited in people at birth, instead of by training. Increasing levels of mixed race, culture, religion, etc.
  
  Given that on the whole religious people are no more or less civil than non-religious ones, no more or less violent, no more or less sexually active, etc. what makes you think a decline in religion is responsible?
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Because I can connect the dots.
  When people lost religion and faith, they are less likely to discipline their kids.
  They are more likely to be sexually active as teens and become pregnant.
  They are more likely to become single mothers and poor.
  They are more likely to get divorced and have an extended family with kids they don't have any influence over...
  They are more likely to live in public housing.
  Their kids will more likely be trapped into a cycle of dependency...
  They are more likely to get into gangs and drugs...
  They are most likely to drop out of school...
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  All fine and good...except that nothing changes when people leave the church. Kids aren't disciplined less by non-believers, they aren't more likely to be sexually active and not more likely to get divorced.
  
  Unless you can provide hard stats on these things? I don't find any difference in these behaviors between church goers and those staying away, but that's only personal observation of a few dozens or hundreds. Stats on a few million randomly chosen people might tell a different story.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Your "connection" isnot conclusive.
  There are many factors that are responsible for these things and your attempt to find some correlation between these unpleasant social realities and the lack of religious fervor in society is specious.
  
  Jacklee, What is your solution? Leave it to conservatives to deny real demographic changes in our society and blame it All on people not desiring to be indoctrinated with religious dogma, from any direction? Ever think that the rising costs of living is the reason why both parents have to work rather than a single male head of household back in the day? Poorer people are less likely to be able to live the Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle that you seem to be directed toward. That certainly has a great deal to do with it? Have you been in the States long enough to remember that Sitcom, Jacklee?
  
  The medium household income in America today is about 55K, working and lower middle class members almost certainly are a part of two earner households to make that happen. Lack of religious fervor among the populace may be a reason, but a small one compared with real and tangible changes in the economy the cause and effect for which can be more easily measured and studied. Conservative get exciting speaking of one aspect for a disfunctional society while conveniently ignoring all of the others.
  
  I never understood Jesus as the corporate messiah that conservatives love to rally around......
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  My solution is outlined in my many hubs.
  https://hubpages.com/politics/A-Guide-For-Millennials
  
  It is based on conservative philosophy and it will benefit all who try it.
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  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We should just make Christianity the official religion of the U.S. or just force people to go to church. That would likely solve the problem.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Stop the nonsense. No one is calling for forced religion..
  I just can't believe we are even discussing this.
  The connection is clear to me and any clear thinking person.
  If you don't see it or admit to it, it is your blind spot not my.
  I am pointing out the obvious but then in today's environment, nothing is obvious or common sense...
  
  You blame everything else except the elephant in the room.
  Obama was a failed president. Now it is Trump's turn... like it or not.
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Mercedesmedlinposted 7 years ago
Well, no matter what political view you choose to side with, I think we can all agree that Trump wasn't the most traditional candidate for this job in the first place, being that he has little political background. However, even though I can't say I support Trump, I think the media and show hosts and everyone insulting him is just making it worse. Constantly belittling Trump isn't going to make him a better president, especially when he feels the need to constantly defend himself (seen his twitter lately?)

I think at the end of the day, when we are talking about Trump as president, our personal biases take over. It's easy to get into an argument with someone about how the country should be run but you gotta take a look at the facts. Look at the policies and the funding and decide if his decisions are bettering our country just in the short run or the long run, or maybe not at all! There are lots of different factors and I'll admit, I don't have all of the knowledge about all of it, but I know that we have to deal with this issue in a more peaceful, civilized way.
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crankaliciousposted 7 years ago
What has been said about President Trump pales in comparison to what was done to President Obama. That said, one party insulting members of the other party is as old as the country itself.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  How so?
  Our disagreement with Obama is on his policies.
  By all reasonable assessment, we thought he was a good husband and father to his 2 daughters.
  It was his policies that we disagreed. As time proof us right, his economic policies did not lead to a robust recovery. His foreign policy of lead from behind was a disaster.
  His racial policies, divided us and worse, his attack on the police created more dissension among the rank and file and made policing a more difficult task.
  He was a failed leader but propped up by a dishonest press.
  His many actions were ruled unConstitutional but the weak Congress did not want to challenge him.
  They gave him all the budget he asked for and increased out debt.
  This is from a president who said "it was unpatriotic of Bush to run up the debt..."
  He out did Bush and all previous presidents combined.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Unkind and disrespectful things were said about Obama and his wife. The difference is that these comments were found on Facebook and Twitter by common citizens. The disrespectful attacks on Trump are by the main stream media.
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  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this
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  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  All of this...
  
  It was his policies that we disagreed. As time proof us right, his economic policies did not lead to a robust recovery. His foreign policy of lead from behind was a disaster.
  His racial policies, divided us and worse, his attack on the police created more dissension among the rank and file and made policing a more difficult task.
  He was a failed leader but propped up by a dishonest press.
  His many actions were ruled unConstitutional but the weak Congress did not want to challenge him.
  They gave him all the budget he asked for and increased out debt.
  
  ...Complete garbage. At best, it's simply opinion unsupported by data. Do you know what, for instance, resulted in the greatest addition to the debt under Obama?
  
  See if you can answer that question.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The acceptance and defense of tit for tat is what will ensure we continue with an atmosphere of rancor. Respect for the office of the president should keep us from supporting this type of behavior.
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  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Let me get this straight. Our current President calls the previous President "sick and a bad" to characterize an unsubstantiated charge that the President ordered wiretapping on the current President's residence, and we're supposed to respect the office of the President?
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  President Obama's team sought NSA intel on thousands of Americans during the 2016 election
  
  * http://circa.com/politics/president-oba … 6-election
  
  This makes Watergate look like a dot... there's no doubt about the illegal abuse of authority. We will have to wait and see what comes of it all.
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  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You obviously don't understand anything about Watergate. But yes, if what you say is true, Obama should be prosecuted and put in jail.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you don't understand comparison in scope.
  Watergate vs Obamagate.
  
  "Obama should be prosecuted and put in jail".
  Gosh, that sounds pretty good! We'll see!
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  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Let me explain it to you:
  
  Watergate was an illegal break-in. Surveillance done during the Obama administration was done legally, not illegally.
  
  I'm sure his prosecution will be as successful as Hillary's.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, for a change something you said sounded good. "Obama should be prosecuted and put in jail". I'll let you know when that happens again.
  
  The Sovereign that bought and paid dearly for Obama and Clinton will take care of them for doing their dirty deeds for them. Actually, I doubt they will ever see the inside of a jail cell. But, that doesn't make it any less pleasurable to put those words together with those famous names. "Hillary for prison in 2016" had a such a nice sound to it, still does. 2017? - Thanks!
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Legal? I'd like to know (yet we never will) who had access to the information and weekday was done with it. Whether it began legally, or not, if misused for political gain it is a crime.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. We are supposed to respect the office of the president. I don't see the difficulty in this.
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jackclee lmposted 7 years ago
When does the FCC act in circumstances like this?
Are there any standards?
What are the rules?
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I spoke too soon -
  http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/fcc-ste … 202410837/
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, the Gay Mafia didn't like that idiot's comment.
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