Whoopi...What does "Not necessarily" and "Rape-Rape" mean?

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manlypoetrymanposted 15 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX_D0Bv9M0

Well...this falls under the "gossip" part under Entertainment...It's hardly News. However...I did hear about this on the radio coming home from work (BTW...I don't EVER watch the View! )Yet...I am curious as to what most folks on Hub Pages have to say about it. Folks on Hubs have been talking (writing) a great about Roman Polanski being arrested in Switzerland, concerning his 1977 U.S. conviction for unlawful sex with a minor.

Listen...to the "Not necessarily" part...as well. It was also brought to the attention of the radio listeners...that Whoopie Goldberg is a spokesperson for Toys 'R Us (Toy Store Chain).
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She's busy defending a rapist and pedophile. I just don't get it.
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  TheShadowSpecterposted 22 months agoin reply to this
  Technically, he would not be a pedophile, because Samantha Gailey-Geimer was a teenager rather than a prepubescent child at the time of the incident in 1977.
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that Toys, or...Toy Toys!...lol
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manlypoetrymanposted 15 years ago
Right,FK...It really comes off extremely...like she is defending him...once you watch the video...a few times...! UUUHH...Why?
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BadCoposted 15 years ago
She's deff ruined her reputation for sure the silly cow, like he bedded a 13 year old. But still some famous Rock Stars are Pedos and got away with it, " sorry yer honour I was just doing a bit of research here downloading my pics just to see what they are looking at" " Ahhh right me too, now go home and dont do it again "

Shes full of shit !
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HHHMMM...A certain Rock Star tells the judge that he was just doing a little research...? Now, "WHO" was it that said that...I wonder?
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  BadCoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who indeed
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
I think it's weird. I think people in general are really irrational on this topic though. Part of the reason is that about half of all girls and a third of all boys have been molested at some point in their lives, usually by someone older that they know and trust. Those are the statistics. So that means lots of adults are walking around looking rational but inside they have a little red 'hot button' on the topic of molestation and abuse.

People's reactions are all over the map.

I think if he broke the law he should be tried for his crimes. I thought there was a statute of limitations on this kind of thing though--like, after a certain number of years, time's up on prosecuting it. Maybe it's because he ran away? He was jailed and then he took off to avoid prison.
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  atilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never been molested by anyone and I think the scumbag should be shot, he plead guilty for the crime and took off before sentencing so statutes of limitation do not apply.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no statute of limitation on a crime, only on some civil actions.
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  atilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are statute of limitations on many crimes, the reason they do not apply in this case is because he plead guilty and ran before sentencing.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
Also, I think if he wasn't famous no one would care as much. When I was teaching, I met girls all the time who were molested by their fathers and PUT BACK IN THE HOME after family counseling. Can you imagine? No convictions, no criminalization, just therapy and go back home with a warning to Daddy to knock it off.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
Right, I think he should be tried and do his time.

I just brought up the molestation thing because people have such weird reactions. I thought Whoopi's reaction was weird.
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areyouseriousposted 15 years ago
It should be no surprise to anyone that the STARS of Hollywood are backing him. Really don't know why he is afraid, they (hollywoods stars) get away with Murder so why not rape. the judicial system if flawed and corrupt.
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PirateGirlposted 15 years ago
I would cut his balls off !
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  starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Pirate girl ..glad to see ya ..I heard you left , nice to know your still here so when ya gonna write another poem?
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dunno guess when I feel like it, hows you ?
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  starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm fine, just heard you were gone, so glad to see ya around
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still here, the Captain was looking out for you, I think he fancies you
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  starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yeah, I think he's full of shit actually - he fancies every chick he sees just a big flirt is all - just do a search on badco and check out his comments you'll see what I mean but he's still funny, and whitty, and does a great job with keeping people entertained , I like his hubbs and his smart ass comments , he gives people a good laugh ya know
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  BadCoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So not true Starme77 and I am here now saying I do fancy you and yes I leave flirty comments but with you it's different because I feel different about you. Cheers for making me make this public but if that's what it takes so be it. Btw if you are still interested in my plan I intend to start it this weekend, you really need to have faith my friend, you are a special lady and I am not full of shit !
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I know a lot of thirteen year old girls that willingly have sex with boys or men that are more than 22 years old.I know girls that get pregnant at that age. Maybe it's ilegal to have sex with a thirteen year old. But that's a bit hypocrite, I think,considering the above.Did someone was there when Polanski had sex with this girl ? Maybe she was willing, maybe it was a hoax to get some money. Who knows ! I wouldn't judge. Nor her nor Polanski.It's their own business. And if Whoopi G. has that opinion, isn't she entitled to it ? What's the problem ? I don't get it.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  13 year olds are kids, are you serious ?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In what country ??? Get real. Today any girl has her first sex experience at that age. go and google stats.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not by someone of his age, if you ever have a 13 year old daughter and a dirty git shags her tell me how you felt about it.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody shags a 13 year old, with her mother nearby consenting, and be guilty. For sure she lied about her age. We hear a lot of that sort of story
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Get real will ya !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you get real. go and google. I hate pre-judgment people !!!
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought it was 16 or 17 in the UK, but I could well be wrong.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  PirateGirl, Juliet was 13 (in Romeo and Juliet). It's only in the last 150 years or so that we've started to regard 13 as too young for relationships - and even then, only in developed countries.
  
  If a woman of any age is raped, that's wrong and the perpetrator should be punished. In this case, the girl in question is now a woman and says she's "forgiven" him, which is unusual and makes me think she may not have been as unwilling as everyone assumes.
  
  Thirteen year old girls do have sexual feelings. They are curious about sex and may even instigate it. Adults should be responsible enough to refuse to get involved in that, but I'm not sure that it constitutes rape.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa I know that, half the girls I know had sex underage but the facts are even consenting 13 years olds who have sex with older men are subject to the rape law. I really get what you are saying though.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or it may have been so traumatizing that she can't bear to bring it all up again in a court of law.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think her mother was there...or close by from what I remember reading about it years ago. He did plead guilty to having sex with her.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but as you say her mother was willing and her daughter as well. It looks as ahoax to me.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So he pleaded Guilty because ?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He had sex with an underaged girl...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because he had done it. that's obvious.And lawyers knowtheir business. you sometimes have to plead guilty to get away with it. What's not so obvious is if it was rape.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you are underage its rape even if you consent !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  One thing is the law. another personal morals. As I said before lots of girls have sex at 13. Go and google !!
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't google 13 year old sex too much Tantrum, you just might meet Polanski !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Prejudice it's a nasty thing. I hope nobody prejudices you in the future, You'd hate it.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok I will ask you a simple question, if you had sex with a 13 year old in your state and she was up for it then she told her folks who phoned the Police. Have you broken the Law, a simple yes or no will suffice.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pirategirl, I think Tantrum is trying to make the same point I was - that the law and morality are two separate things. In teh example above, yes you've broken the law. Was it rape? No, because in my book, rape is being forced to have sex. If there was some lesser charge about having sex with a minor, then that would be a fair cop.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Law clearly states sex with a minor is rape even if they consent, if I am wrong please paste me the link !
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  atilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Her Mother was not around? where are you getting this stuff? This girl was given alcohol and drugs even if she had wanted to have sex with this freak she was to inebriated to give consent! The only reason any of you are siding with this perv is because you moral compass only points to hell!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not taking his side. I am just repeating something I remember hearing a long time ago. I certainly think he should stand trial again.
  
  And I don't think Tantrum is either, he is playing devil's advocate here. Trying to see both sides.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  At last an intelligent hubber !! thank you Uninvited Writer! My point here is: don't be too fast judging people. I've been in this planet for ages. I've seen a lot !
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  REALLY you actually feel that way? do you have kids? she stated she was raped and and drugged not to mention ITS ILLEGAL
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haven't you heard about sex hoaxes? I wouldn't judge. You, go ahead !
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm pretty sure it happened the way she said. Besides, now she wants the case dropped. But...he should still stand trial.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Probably slipped her a few pounds, sounds like a dearly departed child molester.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's my point! There is no real justice on this. It's all crap, all of it. People get worked up, say cut his balls off, and so forth, but most of the time NOTHING happens to these guys. Guys who aren't Roman Polanski do this to hundreds of kids. One guy, hundreds of kids. People talk a big game but no one really gives a rat's ass. That's what I'm saying.
  
  Not you personally, just in general.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know, 13 year olds are sexually curious we have all been there but Polanski took advantage. He will get off with it though, that I have no doubts about.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No I mean pedophiles get away with it. People act outraged but they get away with it in spades. Not just celebrities.
  
  That's why I'd have that talk if it was my daughter. Screw the courts. I'd make sure that guy had somewhere far away to go, fast.
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That happened here a few years ago - some guy was convicted for raping a young boy, and spent a few years in prison.
  
  A few days after he was released, they found him floating face down in the river.
  
  That is Spartan justice
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Long live Sparticus !
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That used to be Wild West "Frontier" Justice...Now we just debate over for a couple decades...
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We still have that here - this part of Greece is tough country. The Spartans are beautiful, kind and accepting people.
  
  But, there is a line....
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And we draw it in the sand !
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not that I'm all for vigilante justice. I'd prefer the more sane, civil kind. But where I grew up, you needed people to watch your back and it's still like that in lots of places in the U.S. Nobody was watching my back, but I did look out for my girls. I'd never kill anyone or even beat them up or have them beaten up, but I'm not stupid. I know how to persuade someone to take it down the road if need be.
  
  Maybe my grandkids will live in a nicer world.
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I understand fully. Pam - this is a part of the world where it is essential to have somebody watching your back.
  
  Ultimately, the crime rate here is practically zero, so I have no complaints.
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  TheShadowSpecterposted 22 months agoin reply to this
  That's what should happen to Fleece Johnson.
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you have totally lost perspective of the seriousness of this. and if it was ok then why did he flee because he knows he was wrong
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you're funny. Because by law it's wrong, and his case looked wrong. He freaked and flee, i suppose. go and ask him. and then, JUDGE
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WOW
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
It just bothers me that pedophiles bring out this "Cut his balls off" business. Why does one horrific act justify another? How does that help?

People are always like that--Cut his balls off! So righteous. But when you're a kid and you actually have this problem no one gives a rat's ass.

That's been my experience anyway.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
In all fairness, tantrum has a point. My sister was 14 when she met her husband. He was 25. My parents were thrilled. I think it's disgusting, but even though nobody likes to think about it, men respond to very young girls and they always have.

It's OK and then it's not. It seems to be a question of who is doing it, why, and how much money and power do they have?

It's not fair or anything.
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  TamCorposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but to say that "men respond to very young girls and they always have" is like saying all women are like Mary Kay Letourneau...it's just not true...
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But I don't think your sister was raped by this man at 14 was she? The notes said that she was crying while she was being sodomized.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so you were there ? Someone was there, apart from her mother, maybe ?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am quoting from the trial notes. So this was disclosed not a guess.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  people lie on trial ,you know. and if that's true, why her mother let it be. wasn't she moved by her own daughter's crying ??
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If her mother was there she should go to jail as well
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Avoiding my question, yes or no ?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What question ?????
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The one you avoided !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you tell me??? I've been answering more than two posts at a time. i'm not god !!!
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Scroll back you lazy git !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure you don't have any question left unanswer by me then .
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haven't you a 13 year old girlfriend to phone ?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that was your question ??? not worth answering !! You're very ordinary
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And your sick interest in this topic worries me !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As atomswifey said once, I'm a sick little man I'm sure you agree with her I can't care less. If you were offensive I would report you. but i only think you're a joke. thank you for making me laugh
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  <no personal attacks in the Forums>
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  <snipped - no personal attacks in the Forums>
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lol people like you should be snipped
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well you can say that about all court procedures and if that's the case why have any kind of court system at all? You have to apply some judgment and take into account what was said and if it sound plausible or how are you going to come to any kind of verdict?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's why law makes such a lot of mistakes.anyway it can't be perfect and it's more about who have the best lawyer. and that's a fact. ask any lawyer.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody said the courts or the law is perfect. We have the kind of system that we have and that system found Polanski guilty and he should be made to carry out his sentence. What I don't understand is why people like you seem to think that there is equal responsibility here between the 13 year old and a man over 40. You don't see how lop-sided the situation is? What is to stop any adult from having sex with a 9 year old and have him claim it was consensual because in the 7th century they married young.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  as you see from what you're saying ,sex and age has to do with social conventions. So. what's ilegal then? tha law is the law, and morals are morals. That's my point. and if one wants to judge, well, go ahead ! I'm not!
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What Bullshit !
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your reasoning is circular. The law that Polanski broke reflects the morals of that time not the 7th century. Morals and law are not separate. And one day, you might be asked to be part of a jury similar to a case like this, you're going to have to judge. How are you going to apply the law to the facts if you include 7th century social conventions. That doesn't make sense to me.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you were the one that brought the 7th century here. I picked it up as an example. And I'd never would be part of a jury. I think that's disgusting. moreover if there's life sentence.
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i dont follow that last part
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  which part of the last part? anyway it's my personal opinion. Who cares? As everybody is against it ?
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the jury part
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She asked me what would i do if i were to be part of a jury. I answered I wouldn't as I think is disgusting to judge another human being.
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  areyouseriousposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ahh gottcha
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  TheShadowSpecterposted 22 months agoin reply to this
  Do you believe in jury nullification for these kinds of cases in certain circumstances?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fine, forget the 7th century and forget juries and law. I guess you just don't want to have any kind of law and order?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No , it's not that. but i sometimes think that law doesn't go with personal morals. I don't believe much in law. that's all . But i understand what you say. do you understand me ?
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody understands you, its the crap your talking !
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hear you
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  TheShadowSpecterposted 22 months agoin reply to this
  Well, there is this thing called jury nullification, and it seems to be surfacing quite often in statutory-rape cases, especially in New England.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
BTW if an old goat did it to my daughters at 13 he'd no make it to court in one piece.

But it's not like there's any general agreement on it.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you would cut his balls off, yes or no ?
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. I'd go have a talk with him with some large friends. And he would go away. And stay away.
  
  I wouldn't do it that way though if there was anything resembling justice here.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
He drugged her up with qualudes and alcohol, would that really count as consensual? Let's say she has already had sex with other people at 13. The law says that is statutory rape although in Polanski's case it was pleaded down to sex with a minor. The law is hung up on semantics. It still doesn't erase the facts that he gave her drugs and alcohol and sodomized her at 13.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'd say that's at least totally disgusting if not illegal. But it's illegal.
  
  I just wish they enforced it for everybody.
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
The man committed a crime (at the very least statutory rape; she was 13, he was in his 40s) to which he confessed. He fled the country to avoid sentencing. To me, it's very simple - bring him back and force him to serve his sentence. Otherwise, you're essentially saying commit any crime you want, however heinous, and then leave the country until people have forgotten or stopped caring about it.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I understand the blood lust I read among some people. No need for vigilante castration; we have a legal and penal system to take care of crimes like this.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pmsl yeah 30 years later !
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's a fair statement. Most of the debate on this thread is about the bigger pictures of what constitutes rape rather than this particular case.
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  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its cut and dry in the UK if you have sex with a minor 16 even with consent you are going to jail, I think in the US its even older. In fact forget even having sex with a minor, even chat with a minor online and you are going down.
  
  Sex with a minor = Rape
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True, although I'm a bit puzzled by it. There's consent and there's exploitation. Plying a young girl with drugs and continuously forcing yourself on her sexually as she protests is just wrong. I guess I'll throw in my $0.02 and call it rape (both statutory and the garden variety version).
  
  Lying about her age, if it happened, is a bit moot (she was 13; when in doubt, say no!), as is the supposed consent of her mother.
  
  I realize I'm pointing out the particulars of this case, but they might be common in other cases like it. There's a reason this case was controversial back in the 70s.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See, that's the kind of attitude that, if everyone had it, we'd probably see less of this kind of crime. Especially if we actually prosecuted these crimes, as in, took them seriously in a consistent way--which we don't even sort of do.
  
  It's what I'd like to see more of--More rational approachable adults, less bloodthirsty ball piles.
  
  I'm not holding my breath though. I'm 55. Not much progress in my lifetime so far.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can't be 55!
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OMG I can't believe you said something semi-nice to me. (Unless you thought I was 65.)
  
  Yeah, 55 years, six months...feels longer.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The 'castration' thing just adds so much more color to the conversation!
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areyouseriousposted 15 years ago
It is very simple really, bring him back do the time you agreed to and that is that. No need to cut his ball off, he is married so his wife has those anyways (little joke there) no one should ever have sex with a child under 18 because thats the law even if the kid says yes because they really dont know whats going on. plus if you have to get someone drunk and doped up well you have bigger issues
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manlypoetrymanposted 15 years ago
Who is it that stands up for the little girl in this case...She was drugged and given alcohol...in every thing I read. That is not "giving consent"...and the parents sound like morons anyways...for letting this guy get anywhere close to her!

If that was my daughter...Even Switzerland would not be a safe place to hide!

Much heat in this debate...yet I don't get how an older man can do whatever he wants to a very young girl...and that is not wrong?
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
i don't understand these children's parents.

Roman Polanski, however famous, was a stranger to this woman and her daughter. yet the mother let him take her daughter UNCHAPERONED over to Jack Nicholson's house for a "photo shoot"...i assume she was hoping he would cast her in a film.

backstory/images from 1977 and interviews with the girl and Mr. Polanski

same thing with Michael Jackson...the parents allowed their young children to be alone with him, sleep over at his house and go on plane trips with him.

sorry. NO WAY my child would ever go off with a stranger at that age - i don't care if it was Jesus himself!

now, if these things happened while our children were, say, at a day care center, or in the care of a hired nanny or guardian, the parents would be suing them right and left for trusting them and letting them go off with them...but when the parent does it, it's ok.

makes no sense to me. these parents need to share some of the blame as well for not protecting their children better.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lots of parents are like this.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  strange.
  
  if he was all business, he would have had his "people" make the arrangements for the "photo shoot" and it would have been during the day at the studio offices, and not at night in some secluded mansion.
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  TheShadowSpecterposted 22 months agoin reply to this
  They're called free-range parents like Lenore Skenazy.
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mizinkposted 15 years ago
Hello everyone! My first day in kindergarten and I get to hop on the bandwagon with this post.

Roman Polanski was in a position of trust, ie, money, power. Whether mommy of little girl said it was ok or not. And little girl, was a little girl. Statutory rape is against the law.

Even if little girl had been 21, I think what he did was wrong, kinda like what Bill Clinton did with Monica. Position of trust!
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
He raped the girl

I dont know whats to decide really?

Flame his arse
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bloodnlatexposted 15 years ago
Either way, even if the 13 year old wanted to, it is the responsibility of the adult to do what is right. Just because a 13 year old wants to fill her head with cocaine, drown in a bottle of rum, it is the responsibility of the adult to stop her. If he didn't, then he would be brought up on charges for that too. Thirteen year olds want everything that they've been told they can't have. There is a reason that they can't have these things and it is up to the adults to keep them away from things that will hurt them.

The point is, it is still not right even if she wanted to. He is a sick bastard for doing it, and a coward for running away. There is no justification for it. There never will be. The only reason anyone is standing up for him is because he made a few big movies, and has a lot of big friends. No one in Hollywood will stand up against him in fear that they will be black balled by some of his friends in high places.

I don't see how this is any different than all of the female teachers going to prison for having sex with their male students. I don't see Whoopi defending them...
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
A lot of people are standing up for him because there are some questions about the trial. That is why a new trial can clear that all up.
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bhanyheadposted 15 years ago
Let's be honest here, she was there looking for fame, but he took advantage of that situation. I appreciate what tantrum is saying, there's his version, her version and then there's the truth. He used her for sex just because he could and she was underage. Of course 13 year olds have sexual feelings and curiosities and he isn't the only man in the world to take advantage of that. But this was not a romance. It was not a relationship. It was an abuse of power. Her mother knew full well that she was pimping her daughter out for fame, she wouldn't be the first person in the world to have to give sexual favours to further themselves. But she was 13 and had no idea of the consequences of her actions. Of course there are people who do this and get away with it, all the more reason for a 'celebrity' to serve time. Not crazy rot in jail for life time maybe, but not swanning around europe like royalty.
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Megavitaminposted 15 years ago
All age questions aside, since that horse has been beaten, there's still the issue of him drugging her. No matter if you're 15, 25, or 45, whatever, if someone drugs you then they take away your ability to consent to sex. Even if you willingly go out and drink yourself into a stupor, if someone comes along and has sex with you, it is considered rape in the US. He raped her, and that's not legal in the state of California.

I think he should be held accountable for his actions. It sets a pretty disgusting precedence that if you commit a crime, just go on vacation in another country for 30 years and hope everyone forgets.
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  TheShadowSpecterposted 22 months agoin reply to this
  Good point! However, do you think the story about him would have even hit the news if he had only been 14 or 15 years old when he did it? He might not have even been arrested. There was a case in Arkansas two years earlier wherein a middle-aged man and a 15-year-old boy raped a then-12-year-old girl named Kathy Shelton. The underage boy was never arrested and he was let off the hook. This information all came out at one of the 2016 presidential debates, because Hillary Clinton was the criminal defense attorney for the middle-aged rapist. Fortunately, that middle-aged rapist is deceased and can never hurt another young girl.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Rape of a child is the most vile crime on earth! That poor soul has that memory to carry with them until they die.(for my liberal friends I'm referring to the victem of the rape)
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its a little sad that you have to add the "for my liberal friends" caveat. But with the way Hollywood reacted you just have to!
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