In some countrys the new Captain America :the 1st Avenger movie will simply be called The 1st Avenger. This is retarded, I know were not the worlds favorite people but dont change a characters title!!! This is many ways how the terrorist win!!! Really freakin said and uncalled for. What do you guys think????
You mean like in "some countries" where they have never heard the name before and won't know what it means? Seem like a plain 'ol marketing decision to me.
Wow! I do apologize, as i had no idea someone else beat me to the punch on this topic. Sorry Grimlock. Anyways, I did post my opinion on this thread coincidentally on the same topic.
Here's my take on it, and I'm sorry if there are any Captain America fans here. Please don't flame me, because what I'm about to say is true.
OK, it's kinda weird that Russia, Korea, and some other third country changed the "Captain America" movie title. But, here's the real issue: the movie is going to be terrible. I can tell you right now, there is going to be no definable plot, there are going to be characters that you don't know the names of or care to remember, there is going to be a thinly made villain, and there is going to be super-amazing effects, but no plot.
The only attention this movie is going to garner, besides my snoring, is this name change. If it were going to be some impacting, powerful, amazing move, I'd say, "sure, be upset. No, you know what, upset isn't enough, just get plain mad and write Russia, Korea, and that other third country (still don't remember who you are, sorry) an angry letter, slam it in the post box, and wait till your rage subsides by watching the movie over and over again, justifying just how great it was and how much the other countries suck because they don't recognize how great this movie was."
But, no. It's Captain America, some boring hero with a shield. *Yawn*. And you know, it's not his "power" that annoys me, I wouldn't mind if his super power were to put his boots on really fast, but there's going to be no story. I think Captain Boot could kick Captain America's butt any day of the week, because I'm gonna root for Captain Boot (what a catch phrase!) since he'll have something I care about: a life and a story.
Think of it. The movie starts out in a boot factory, and we see little Hans (sure, he's German, they've got great boots) handing a box of boots to his father who has supplied the finest boots in all of Germany for 20 years. His father looks happy. No, he's proud, even ecstatic, because Hans is taking over the family business. Just as he pats Hans on the shoulder, *boom* The Fancy Sports Shoe brigade busts in.
They shoot a few bullets, kill some people, but they don't have name tags, so it's like yelling in a crowded street. Didn't hurt anyone important, just got some attention. They bicker, Hans' father dies either from a bullet or he falls into the boot making machine, Hans escapes, and he vows to become Captain Boot. We got a great story going here, and we can keep it going.
I think them changing the movie title was a good idea. They should probably change it here in America, because who really wants to see this movie, and is also over the age of 10? It's going to flop, just like all the other recent superhero movies, and aside from this name change, we're all going to forget it.
Now, that is my rant, I'm tired of terrible superhero movies and people being upset about this name change. This isn't about terrorism, in fact, I think this is the best marketing the movie can get. I'd rather see a movie called "The First Avenger" then anything with the words "Captain America" in it. I'm going to pop in some Blank Man (does anyone remember that movie?), and laugh myself to sleep.
Just be damn glad they didnt rename him Captain Bechtel.
That's just dumb. What's your problem with Bechtel anyway? My dad worked for them and many friend do too. They create good paying jobs all over the world, but I guess jobs don't matter these days.
As for the movie title, it's stupid, but I understand that people in some parts of the world are so ignorant that they would actually not go to a movie named for the country that they all envy. Too bad they can't afford to come here, because I'm sure they would if they could without having to be kept in sex slavery.
KK your taking my 'dumb' remark a bit personally. The remark was not a reflection of the corp as a whole and certainly less so of any individual who has worked for them. I don't know if u ever read the comic books, but Cap America became the superhero due to an accidental exposure to massive amounts of radiation. Years after that, a gov't operation was put in place to prevent people from wandering into radioactive waste dumps. Kind of similar to the CapAm story. Since then, this operation has been more or less privatized and Bechtel is the private institution that basically owns the operation. I'm just saying if they were going to update the story to reflect our current time . . .
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Actually, your wrong on Captain America's origin. He was a 90lb weakling that wanted to serve in the military, but he was deemed too unphysically fit for service. He volunteered for the super soldier program which gave him enhanced physical human abilities. you're mistaking him for the Hulk, as he was the one that got his powers from massive amounts of gamma radiation.
A serum? Weird. That's not how I remember it at all. I couldve sworn they put him through a radioactive field of some sort. Or maybe they changed it when they made the tv cartoon. Wasn't mixed up on the Hulk, cos that was one comic I never got into.
Interesting side note, though, as many posters are elaborating on the unAmerican tone of the name change. When the first issue came out apparantly, the creators received massive amounts of hate mail from Americans who were defending Hitler saying he doesnt deserve to be 'punched in the face' as was the popular image of CA that made the comic such an instant hit. Reminded me of the stories my grandparents used to tell me of how divided this country was pretty much up til Pearl Harbor.
Nope, I'm afraid your mistaken, as Marvel's website clearly states he got his powers from that of a serum. And there's no record of Captain's origin being changed as far as I know. Unless you can name an exact source that supports your claim, I'm afraid you're wrong on Cap's origin. Sorry.
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No, Steve, I wasnt challenging you. I was just saying I had a different memory of it and am still not sure why . . . you, of course, didnt mention a serum in ur first response so obviously I did the research and determined you were correct. I was sharing the conflict of my personal memory. After all it was quite some time ago and I read ALOT of comics back in those days.
Challenge you? I honestly wasn't challenging you into some sort of debate, as I thought our conversation was a harmless discussion between two hubbers. I'm sorry if you felt like I was debating with you on some level.
No, not trying to fight. Just felt you may have misunderstood my previous post. Just wanted to be sure I was clear in what I was saying.
I understood exactly what you were saying, but I was only responding to that one part of your post where you mentioned cap's origin. I wasn't making a remark towards anything else you said to KK
The character is not renamed. The movie was offered *by the studio* with two versions of marketing material, one with a long title and one with a short title. Some markets chose the short title.
they used the serum on him in the tv movie. atleast they didnt make captain plant into a movie or as we called him captain faggot lol
Faggot, ha ha, real funny.
OK, first, I'm gay, so cut out the B.S. It's not cool that you would say that, and not only that, it's not original.
You want to make fun of Captain Planet (not Plant, they are two different words), fine, no one likes him. Do it in a way that isn't offensive.
Seriously, Optimus, are you in fifth grade or something? How rude.
Optimus, this is not a WTF moment. It all come down to cultural preferences and cultural differences in the world. I personally like the "Captain American" title but that title is unacceptable in some countries.
I have to agree with Melpor here. Look, I know many fans are probably pissed off over this name change, but you have to understand it's a business. Marvel Studios like any company will do whatever it takes to promote a product; which is essentially what Captain America is. Sure, he's a great literary character, but he's also the by product of commercialism too. Seriously, are we supposed to blame the 3 countries for taking up Marvel's offer? No, it's not right. If you want to complain, then why not ask Marvel studios why they gave each country a choice in the first place. Or better yet, ask your politicians why the USA isn't viewed as being the good guys in most countries. However, don't condemn the countries for the choice they made. Marvel Studios offered each country a choice between two different titles, and those 3 countries took advantage of that offer. It was a business decision by Marvel Studios to offer each country that option, as it's about marketing a product. You all would do the same thing too, so don't deny it.
Oh yeah, you did. thanks for deleting your post. although I might ask you to delete this one as well. I think your a good guy as well, and there never was any bad blood as far as i was concerned. I do apologize for the inconvenience though.
No inconvenience whatsoever. I'm not one to enjoy miscommunication and I'm glad we could clear that up as we are mature individuals.
I agree. Although we haven't really talked to each other until last night, you've always kind of struck me as a good person, so I'm glad I didn't offend you. I know I can get a bit carried away sometimes, but I never mean anything ill by it.
1st off If your offended by a word you need to take a step back and realize its just a word and let it go! Become open minded!
2. I type posts sometimes on impulse when I see a headline to get it 1st because I know the snipper kitten is usally 1st with everything.
3. If Marvel gave them a choice then its there fault and you cant blame the countries so melpor your right.
4. I believe changing things for other countries is givin in so they dont hate us. In doing so it makes us weaker and contributes to our possible downfall.
Wow, I just a name and fell into the rabbit hole! LOL
I'm sorry.. truly but I'm cracking up at the whole argument, and I don't read comic books and I think I watched Batman when I was a kid, but you guys are all talking about "Captain AMERICA" that has been his name from the beginning and changing it would be like if "Batman" was now gay! There's a Batwoman now, so what if their kid is gay! I'm ASSUMING (I could be wrong so yell at me if I am) that Captain America is male. And they're trying to make him a WORLD WIDE character is that right? So there's no gender problem, but I could see if Captain America had a side kick like Batman had Robin (and I just wonder.. well, nevermind) lol, what if Captain America had a side kick Captain United Nations! And he could duplicate so there'd be a Captain Korea, Captain Japan, Captain England.. ok I'm most likely getting off base, but the point is, they could add on, just like they did with Batman and other Superhero's. I'm not sure which one Superhero's the world, but couldn't they make a Captain Superworld and they all WORK TOGETHER.. AND MAKE WORLD PEACE or something, after all, aren't they all supposed to be do-gooders? just sayin'....
Actually, Captain America does have a sidekick in Bucky Barnes. Of course, in this new movie, I think they're going off the Ultimate Universe story line where Bucky is a military soldier that happens to be just good friends with Cap. Although when he was originally created, he was Captain's sidekick in WWII, and went on to kind of fill in for him when everyone thought Captain was....well for lack of a better word...DEAD! Sorry, as you can tell, I did a lot of research into this recently.
Well, lol you obviously didn't need to do much.. I mean I had no idea he even had a side kick! But... thanks for clarifying, you know in case I need it for future Superhero information. I actually had a hub on one, but deleted it since the superhero's weren't so super! lol
actually theres a captain britain. Bucky brooks was never in the comics in the 80's and 90's but thats a good thing. Captain korea or japan wouldnt bother me. Omg Captain China could be Yao Ming and captain Korea could be ken jeong(great in tf3)
Really? I knew about Captain Brittain, but i didn't know about bucky not being in the comics for the 80's and 90's though. Personally, I never liked the sidekick idea, as it seems having a teenage kid fighting next to you would prove to be more of a distraction than anything else if you ask me.
I agree there.. I mean, I shouldn't be even posting here cos I'd need a side kick to hold them down while I kicked the bad guy, see how much I know about this superhero stuff! LOL! Of course ya would need one while one does super stuff and the other detours the supervillan. *snicker*
no he never helped form a bigger robot. The decepticons had devostater that were construction vehicles you might be thinking about that or the combaticons and menisor that came later in the series
What terrorists ?
Stop listening to left wing extremist media and get cultivated.
If it sells better in those countries without the "America", than so be it. If it makes more money without the "America", than so be it.
The "terrorists" don't "win" if America makes money.
I really don't think anyone outside those who have followed Captain America and understand why that particular comic was created and the story behind it will get the big deal over the international name change of the film. Unfortunately, politics and the perception of America overseas will always overcome the artistic intent in cases like this.
honestly i dont think its that big of a deal. it happens alot and from the business side they want their product to be as politically correct as possible to draw in as many people as possible.
either way...im excited for the movie
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