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   barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago

   Should watching any content which is freely available on the Internet be a criminal offence ?

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      Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It shouldn't - but it is.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Watching "any" content which is freely available on the Internet be a criminal issue?
   
   Well, I guess that would depend on the "content" that is being freely distributed.
   
   I can think of some content that is spread about the Internet and shouldn't even be available, but it is.
   
   I get the freedom of expression and free speech right of each person, but some content is so mature or bizarre or violates "laws" - government and religious - it is disturbing to the senses.
   
   So, again - "any"? Is subjective. Could you be more specific?

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      Home Girlposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      if you feel guilty - don't watch it.

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   barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago

   What if your doing it in the privacy of your own home ?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      My point is not a privacy matter. It depends on the content.

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         barryrutherfordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Wel, my point about the privacy is that it is not affecting anyone but you yourself & how much that affects you well it is so subjective.  I mean I find lots of feature films very very disturbing!

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   barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago

   A famous ABC Australia TV presenter has been charged with a Criminal Offence  for  downloading "offensive" pornography to his computer

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The pornography was "offensive" to whom?
      
      I am of the understanding that that position is a religious position, with regards to pornography, up to a point, where it exploits children, then is a moral issue.
      
      Privacy doesn't matter at that point, because the action of the person is perpetuating a demoralizing type of action and indirectly affecting the lives of children.
      
      Adult content that is pornography(adult sexual action) should not be invaded for whatever reasons. In the privacy of their home of adult pornography as I described, should be protected at all costs. In the privacy of their own home isn't harming or hurting society, because the product is a legitimate/legal goods offered and most likely didn't result in the harm of anyone during the making.
      
      Offensive?? Just the arrest of this person IS offensive.

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      Ivorwenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So, he didn't just watch it, he also downloaded it. 
      
      That means he is now in possession of it, as it is now on his hard drive.
      
      As I understand the laws here, if that was child pornography, or something else that is illegal (is there anything else that is illegal?) then yes, he would be in violation of the law.

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         barryrutherfordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I know he is in vioalation of the law but should he be ?  That is my issue.  Just like me watching an X rated violenct film showing torture murder or serial killing why is that not against the Law ?

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   goldenpathposted 13 years ago

   No, but putting certain content on the internet should be. 
   
   My fear is for the young.  Since the internet content will never be regulated or monitored to any satisfactory degree the proper supervision of our youth still is and will always rest with the parents.  Far too many of our parents need to wake up and raise a generation of integrity and self reliance.  Parents needs to cut the bonds that modern legislation and social stigmas have placed on parenthood in relation to a child's "rights."

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      barryrutherfordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree about puttin or selling or distributing offensive content should be an Offence but downloading what is there for your own consumption i have an issue with that !

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         goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I agree.  It's a sticky matter.  We all have free agency and we make good and bad choices.  What we do in the privacy of our home in front of the computer might be bad choices but should not necessarily constitute a criminal choice - at least in terms of downloading.  It's a matter of what you do with that information from there.  Will it feed your lust to go out and commit perverted acts?  Will it incite your senses to act in openly illegal ways?  The information may be unsavory but how we act on it is more important.

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            barryrutherfordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes well this is my point I went and saw a movie like Saw or Sawii or something similar be banned because it may make me a serial killer ?

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               goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I would still say no because we, individually, still chose to view and process the information.  That alone is not the producers fault.  However, knowing that certain end results could happen from viewing such material is grounds, in my opinion, for making it illegal to produce.

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   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   Are you trying to make some tacit argument over whether or not child porn should be legal to view "in the privacy of the home?"

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   wildernessposted 13 years ago

   Some should be criminal, such as child pornography.  It might be simpler to say that any content that violates law in the production should be illegal to own or watch, but that is simplistic and might not work. 
   
   Sure, child porn, snuff films, true sadism; all should be criminal as some one has been hurt in production.  Others such as smoking marijuana hurt no one and should be legal.  Not a real easy problem to solve as it is not as simple as it sounds.

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   barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago

   ok we ban child prography which may or may not create a peadophile
   how about very violent films which may or may not create violent people

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am not as concerned with the pedophile or violent people as with the victims of the producers.  With no audience or customer the film will probably not be made at all.
      
      While the producer MAY be a pedophile I think the odds would be much against it.  Few pedophiles would film themselves in the act and then post it (although that might even be a good thing!) and fewer yet would be content to merely film while missing the action.  I would think that most often the producer is in it for primarily money - without an audience that motive goes away.
      
      The same probably holds true for the other types that should perhaps be made criminal to watch or own.

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         barryrutherfordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         So it is the mind of the producers that come up with this stuff.  When we watch it I guess we could turn it off but then I went to see a movie called  "Law AbidingCitizen" at the movie Cinema and it wa nothing to do with that it was about a serial killer and the death penalty

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            wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I apologize, but I don't understand your point.  If I may repeat myself, it is the victims of the producer - the 10 year old girl being raped for the camera, the actual corpse on the floor, etc. that is my primary concern.  Without an audience to watch such acts the girl won't be raped or the person killed.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      In the end of the day at that point would be left up to choice. Those who choose to commit violent acts against others, even in the privacy of their own home, should still face criminal charges.
      
      Watching violence isn't violent, until those who watch it decide by choice to engage in the same manner. A lack of self-control could play a factor, however, doesn't excuse the actions providing someone else is harmed in the end.

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      Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The thing with child pornography isn't whether it "creates a pedophile" or not.  It's whether someone exploited and abused children to MAKE the film in the first place, about some's choice to leave children scarred for life after being used, and about the fact that is perverts didn't buy that stuff there wouldn't be a market for in the first place.  Similar concepts could be applied at to least to SOME violent films, depending on how they were made and whether anyone or anything was exploited or abused.
      
      It's not legal to buy stolen goods; so it makes sense that it wouldn't be legal to buy or otherwise obtain material considered, "illegal".
      
      So, to me, if the films violate laws then I don't have a problem with having them called, "illegal", and going after anyone who buys them and patronizes a business that makes illegal stuff.
      
      If it's legal films but the law says people have to be 18 to buy/rent them, then I don't have a problem with going after 16-year-olds who have them on their computers.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   Oh Barry, scared people know no reason. Once the word pedophile is said, the discussion is over.

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      barryrutherfordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well i mean as long as the topic remains taboo what progress will ever be made by thinking minds to either treat the issue of peadophilia or treat any acts of violence ?

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    No progress. But it is a very convenient topic for any government to justify almost any privacy breach, so the effort is definitely made to keep the status quo, and powers that be are not interested in solving those issues - providing the issues exist at all at any measurable scale...

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    lxxyposted 13 years ago

    No, and depending on what it is, where you are, who is serving it, and how old it is...it's not illegal. But barring any of those loopholes, internet providers should be dumb pipelines. That's all we need them for--not for policing.

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